/lit/ - Literature

>>6565341
No, even Pynchon likes him. When he was posting here he said he was planning soon to "convert to Bokonism."

delete your thread

vonnegut is shit :)

>>6565341
>Reddit/r/cucks

>>6565341
this was good

>>6565345
Pynchon posting here

What?

>>6565341
What you seem to have misunderstood is that nobody on /lit/ actually hates Vonnegut, it was just a fad among trolls for awhile.

>>6565341
No. He was a good author. Fuck off back to your game of thrones

>>6565502
it's a meme

I find Vonnegut to be childish and naive. I once tried reading Cats Cradle and I stopped halfway through and decided to read something I actually enjoyed instead.

His writing seems like its meant for middle-scholars to read so they can feel like they "get it". His writing contains vague notions about the mysteriousness or inherent goodness of the universe but they are presented in such a fedora-tipping or clumsy manner that it seems juvenile. When I think of Vonnegut I get mental images of a big family eating together on a holiday or something while the kids mother proudly announces to all her relatives that her 15-year old son just started reading Vonnegut. To make it even worse there are tons of people in their 20's who for some reason think he is a great writer, its absurd. If he was alive and I saw him walking down the street I'd call him a fag and say your books suck to his face.

>>6565502
Somebody that was actually knowledgeable came to /lit/ one time and it's such a rare occurrence that everyone thinks it was actually pynchon.

>>6565523
POst link to post?

>>6565520
This will be ignored by his autistic fanboys so they can continue to reassert a lack of substance

>>6565520
>If he was alive and I saw him walking down the street I'd call him a fag and say your books suck to his face.
good man good kek

>>6565520
>fedora-tipping

>>6565540
>autistic

Nice memes.

I somewhat recently read Cat's Cradle. I thought it had some cool ideas, but it kind of went everywhere and wasn't really funny to me which was obviously what it was going for. I remember dying to finish it and it's pretty short.

I think Slaughterhouse 5 is a masterpiece though.

>>6565550
Thats not how you spell Mother Night.

>>6565341
>not understanding that Vonnegut is great gateway literature
JK I know you're trowlling u fag

>>6565555
Quads wasted.

>>6565555
checked

I really liked Slaughterhouse 5 when I read it when I was 18. I'd like to reread it now and see what I think.

The anti-Vonnegut meme is more annoying than the fanboys, especially because there are no fanboys. Anti-Vonnegut people think there are, and that they have this duty to shit on them, but no one is obsessed with him in the first place.

>>6565520
Is this pasta?

Tried reading Slaughterhouse 5 a few months back after recommendations from a few people I know and it was a pile of shit.

>>6565523
>>/lit/thread/S667543

I love Chuck Palahniuk and people kep recommending me Vonnegut, so I read Slaughterhouse 5 a few months ago.

I liked a bit of his style, but I didn't get the story at all. Maybe I'm too illiterate for it, but it just didn't make any sense to me.

I read Slaughterhouse 5 almost a year ago and I still get a burning hate sensation when I think about it.

Never has a book felt so condescending, so pseudo-intellectual, so forcefully ironic, that I just cringe at the thought of reading it. Vonnegut just tries so fucking hard to "blow your mind" or to seems deep and thought provoking it just comes off as childish. Even his prose is weak. His characters are weak. He uses cheap tricks to make us hate characters. Ow wow the dude fed clock springs to a dog and the dog was in pain how fucking horrible and wow you managed to incorporate a time motif. Fucking self-congratulatory asshole patting himself on the back. "So it goes" what a crock of shit.

Somehow, I let a poster here persuade me to try Cat's Cradle before I completely dismiss this fraud. It wasn't as offensive as Slaughterhouse-5 but then again it wasn't really anything. Again he just tries hard to be deep and uses his "ironic wit".

Fuck him. Fuck his books. Fuck Billy Pilgrim.

>>6565813
You might be mentally handicapped.

>>6565642
Search So It Goes on google images.

>>6565826
>You might be mentally handicapped.

I often hear that.

>>6565826
Is there something that proves you need to be involved on the matter on google images too?

Didn't really like Breakfast of Champions, feels like a big expression of self-pity. Might need to re-read his work at some point though.

Sirens of Titan is his best.

I got Slaughterhouse five just to see what about him puts so much sand in c/lit/'s vagina. Haven't read it yet though.

>>6565882
It's condescending trash.

>>6565882
I've only read Slaughterhouse 5 but I thought it was frankly quite good. Sort of like a PKD story with sarcasm weaved into the prose. Not literary genius, but good fun. I don't get the Vonnegut hate myself, though I have only read his most acclaimed book.

Been wanting to try Breakfast of Champions for about a year but I keep reading other stuff instead.

>>6565940
I can't see the fun from all the condescension standing in the way.

>>6565960
Then you sound like a jackass, to me.

>>6565713

nah son off da dome

>>6565974
You sound like drooler, to me.

>>6565821
I hated that book so much for similar reasons I actually audibly was "what the fuck, really?!?"ing for the last 70 pages.

>>6565642
>waaaahhhhhhhh
>>6565859
>WAAAHHH W-W-WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Average vonnegut fan.

Shit author.

Fans are even more annoying.

So...

IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES IT GOES

TO THE PHILIPPINES

I always feel really enthusiastic about his books until I actually read them. I fooled myself into reading three of his books and each time the overwhelming impression was just "blah".

>>6565799
Just read through the linked thread and I'm a bit confused. How is the poster there considered so brilliantly knowledgeable that there is a facetious expectation they are Pynchon himself?

All I see is lots of unsubstantiated and far-fetched theories, some of which are so absurd it is hard to assume the poster was being serious.

>>6566509
Have you ever read a Pynchon novel?

>>6566693
Nope

>>6566696
There you go.

Go read The Crying of Lot 49 and you might start to understand why people think it's Pynchon in that thread.

bump

>>6565497
Really? I was pretty fond of Cat's Cradle and Slaughterhouse but could hardly make it through the first few chapters of this. Maybe it's just dated, but the whole past-tense over-explained social-critique schtick felt unbearably edgy. really shit tbh

>>6565555
Agreed, best characters in a Vonnegut novel, and the brain chemistry stuck to my kid brain

>>6565520

>if I saw him walking down the street I'd call him a fag

What an enlightened individual you are.

>>6568735
More enlightened than his fans.

I remember reading Player Piano, Timequake, and Cat'd Cradle all within a short span sometime around the end of 8th grade. I was pretty pleased with those books, and recall really enjoying the simple-enough plots and themes.

I tried picking up Slaughterhouse 5 sometime my senior year of high school and I couldn't read it. I don't remember much of anything, only that it failed with me on any level whatsoever and I chucked it aside after a while.

His books are cringe inducing.

I can just imagine him sitting and snickering to himself while writing. They feel so fucking self satisfying.

>>6565799
>telling him to sign the letter addressed to Pynchon as Oakley Hall

Haha holy shit that's fucking Thomas Pynchon

>>6565821
feel the same. shitty hipster tier.
>muh so it goes
>muh 2nd WW

>>6565341
SH5 was good.

>>6566703
Aside from anything related to Pynchon, I was mostly referring to his 'theories' on Shakespeare: IE the comments regarding an English pope 400 years before the publication of S's plays who happened to have a roughly similar name.

>>6570655
Yes?

>>6570655
Pinecone's high on a constant basis so he would come up with something like that and at least half-seriously believe it.

>hey /lit/ let's talk about vonnegut
>cat's cradle sucked
>slaughterhouse 5 sucked

wow, somehow not surprising that plebs didn't even read his best work

The Sirens of Titan is beautiful. I don't understand how anyone can outright hate it.

>>6570677
Every time I've read a Vonnegut, specifically the two you've mentioned, I've been told "it's his best work".

I've been told that Breakfast of Champions is his best work. I've been told that Galapagos is his best. Sirens of Titan. Cat's Cradle. Slaughterhouse-5. Player Piano. All of them have been claimed to be his "best".

After two novels of shit, I'm out. Fuck him. Fuck his fans.

Also, note the irony of a Vonnegut fan calling other people plebs. That shit is outright hilarious.

>>6570687
well at least he's dead, so there's only a finite number of stories you can get told is "his best" and there will never be any new ones

>>6570713
I'm not reading any more.

>>6570720
I know this is out of context, but that tickled me

>>6570736
Pretty good. I like it.

>>6565799

Pynchon or not, the OP of that thread is brilliant. Talk about clear, laconic thought.

>>6570736
This should be at the top of the page in gif form.

Should I read this? Haven't read any of his stuff before

>>6572017
Seems weird as fuck

>>6572017
yes.

>>6570655
that's the sort of conspiracy pynchon would put in a novel. read pynchon and you'll get it

That cunt was not fit to lick the bootstraps of Theodore Sturgeon and yet he turned him into this absolutely insulting caricature.

>>6572017
It's a less experimental novel than his later works, as it just tells a story from point A to point B, but I found it fun.

>>6565876
SoT is one of the best novels I've read. I didn't like Cat's Cradle, and only read SoT 'cause I got it for like a buck, but it kept getting better, and halfway through I realized I don't remember the last time I enjoyed a book so much.
Also, the ending is great. A lot of books I read recently were pretty great, but I was dissapointed in the end because the ending was shitty and made the whole book pointless. Not this one.

Galapagos is fairly non offensive

>>6568407
> social critique is unbearably edgy
top ideology

Does anyone have any quotes from famous people shitting on him?

So I read Slaughterhouse 5 and actually loved it, what should I read next?

Vonnegut's like the Tarantino of literature (bare with me here).

He made one "really great" work (Pulp Fiction/Slaughterhouse 5), and kind of rode the success of that all the way to the bank.

His actual best (Jackie Brown/Sirens of Titan) almost never gets mentioned

Dilettantes in each field dismiss him on Japanese Knitting Forums because they don't know anything and contrariety is the only response to uncertainty.

But when it all boils down to it, they just made some funny, sort of thoughtful- sort of not, works of art, which are pretty entertaining, well written and captivating at the time, but once they're over you don't really care anymore.

> you're wrong because you like books that I don't like.

If this mindset ain't condescending I don't know what is

>>6574372
> Jackie Brown
> best Tarantino
Worst opinion I've ever read.

>>6574380
thank u

>>6574372
>Jackie brown

Lol how tryhard are you

>>6574371
The Sudoku Manual

>>6574372
I cringed at this post.

How 9gag can you be?