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Zizek contradicts himself because he doesn't give a shit :^)

>When Zizek says that Rammstein gives the pleasure of fascistic aesthetics without the political element, doesn't that fit into his own critique of "coffee without caffeine?"

YES.

>If he says that irony is how ideology sustains itself in the contemporary world, why does he defend a band that acts like nazis while obviously not actually being nazis?

1. DEFEND IT FROM WHOM/WHAT?

2. HOW IS HE DEFEND IT?

>I certainly agree with Zizek that a fascist aesthetic is not the same as fascism, but the way he argues it seems counter to his own internal logic.

NOT REALLY.

>>6058792
>2. HOW IS HE DEFEND IT?

I MEAN "2. HOW IS HE DEFENDING IT?"

>>6058781
Go read about nSk and get back to us.

>>6058792
1. He's defending it from criticism that was put on Rammstein for using a nazi aesthetic, coming from a multitude of sources, angry parents, SJWs and the like.

2. He defends it with the above statement, that Rammstein gives the pleasure of fascist aesthetic without the politics normally attached.

>>6058811

HE IS NOT NECESSARILY DEFENDING IT.

IMPROVE YOUR "GENERAL COMPREHENSION".

It was coffee without cream. A guy orders coffee without cream and the waiter says "Hey we have no cream, but we do have milk, do you want coffee without milk?"

It's about the double negation. What you don't get is as much a part of the identity of what you want as what you do get. So no, it's not ironic in the sense you are talking about.

>>6058821
i hate your shtick but you put your periods after your quotes, and for that you are my nigga.

>>6058831
Nah he's an obnoxious faggot, don't reply to him.

>>6058823
Zizek also uses coffee without caffeine and non-alcoholic beer as ways to critique people that politically try to have their cake and eat it too,

>>6058810
But Rammstein have none of the political message of NSK - they literally are just a-political fascists.

The "political" content of Laibach is what disarms their fascist appearance, whereas Rammstein have nothing that actually works against identifying with Fascist beliefs

>>6058852
Is this in text or video form? concise I mean, don't wanna read a 200 book about something that could be summarized in a short video or text.

>>6058868
>I mean, don't wanna read a 200 book about something that could be summarized in a short video or text.

What the fuck did you just say about philosophy, you dogmatic slumberer?

>>6058857
You do realise that most people are incapable of correctly reading nSk, and therefore are incapable of reading the political content of fascism.

Fascism is black leather pants, blonde girls with whips, and ze aksent.

>>6058868
It's right there in Pervert's guide to Ideology, ya dingus.

>>6058899
But I mean, is there an already made clip from exactly those points mentioned? like the christians thing and atheism where jesus is hanging from the cross and so on and so on.

>>6058911
Just watch the film instead of being a lazy little bastard.