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6048438 No.6048438 [Reply] [Original]

I still miss him...

>> No.6048439

he doesn't exist though, no one gains anything from you missing him.

>> No.6048440

We all do, friend, we all do.

>> No.6048450

>>6048439
>no one gains anything from you missing him
We gain a lot by discussing our collective grief at his departure.

>> No.6048533

>>6048438
well at least the best Hitchens is still alive

>> No.6048626

>>6048533
I can only hope you mean Christopher's spirit, as opposing to his nostalgic brother wishing upon a second coming of Thatcher and revisionist history.

>> No.6048642

Peter is a cunt

>> No.6048663

>>6048626
>>6048533
It's pretty revealing in their debate. Both were guilty of asserting opinions before giving them full substance. But whereas Christopher's contempt for Religion was very much based on it's natural fanatics, Peter babbled how in the light of atheism there's this "epidemic" of kids in the UK worshiping obscure cults.

>> No.6051268

>>6048438
I think I grew out of him around 24. I watch his old youtube clips the same way I enjoy watching the Power Rangers intro, strict mahfucken nostalgia

>> No.6051315

>>6051268
One doesn't grow out of Christopher Hitchens. One shrinks out of him. It sounds to me like you have some growing to do.

>> No.6051336

Do you miss George Bush too?

>> No.6051350
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>>6048438

>> No.6051354

Didn't he help propel the war in Iraq?

Peter hates Hilary Mandel.

>> No.6051361

>>6051315
Fundies fundies fundies fundies fundies

>> No.6051450

Stay pleb, OP.

>> No.6051631
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6051631

>Hitchens is dead
>Harris is still alive
>Dennett is still alive
>Dawkins is still alive

Why did it have to be him

Why couldn't it have been ANY of the others

Why couldn't it have been ALL of the others

>> No.6051658

>>6051631
Hey there, no reason to hate on Dennett, the only one of them who can into philosophy.

>> No.6051663

Based Peter Hitchens still lives.

Enjoy his work.

>> No.6051669

>>6051658
Dennett is a pedant autist who can't into qualia

>> No.6051679

>>6051658
Yes.
>Dennett >>> Dorkins > Hitchens >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frozen dog shit > Harris

>> No.6051688

>>6051669
>qualia
>a useful argument against eliminative materialism
Pick one. I'm not saying Dennett is right about everything, but the very concept of qualia smells of distortion of what it is trying to grasp. Analytical philosophy simply cannot address subjectivity, for better or for worse.

>> No.6051727

>>6051631
None of them have contributed anything meaningful to anything, unlike Russel

>> No.6051773

>>6051688
theres no such thing as subjectivity idiot

>> No.6051796

>>6051727

2/10

>> No.6051801

>>6051773
Then, there is no such thing as qualia, which are nothing but an incredibly clumsy attempt at grasping subjectivity.

Or, maybe more to the point, of course subjectivity is not a 'thing', as things are objects. Which makes a scientific account of anything subjective impossible, which in turn explains the prima facie reasonability of eliminative materialism.

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6051820

>see thread
>oh hey I saw a debate with that guy once
>decide to look him up
>go to wikipedia
>"Long describing himself as a socialist and a Marxist"
>mfw

>> No.6051830

>>6051801
>Which makes a scientific account of anything subjective impossible
it is not that it is impossible as this implies that there is a thing in the first place which there is not

>> No.6051836

>>6051631
>Harris is young
>Dawkins and Dennett take care of themselves
>the overweight chain-smoker dies first

Gee I fucking wonder why.

>> No.6051842

>>6051830
Damn, got me, should have cecked my terminology. Anyway, the subjective sideof eperience (is that a 'thing' btw?) cannot be approached using the scientific method, was my point, as we're not longer dealing with observable phenomena, but with the structure of observation itself.

>> No.6051852

>no fedora posts yet

I'm pleasantly surprised, /lit/. Keep up the good work.

>> No.6051866

>>6051820
>le trashman's actually a Hitch fanboy

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>>6051852

>> No.6051888
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>>6051852
Here, have some bad OC.

>> No.6051905

>>6051842
> the subjective sideof eperience (is that a 'thing' btw?) cannot be approached using the scientific method
but there is no subjective side to experience
therefore it cannot be approached using the scientific method

>> No.6051925

>>6051905
>there is no subjective side of experience
By definition, there is. That which is experienced, is the object. That which is having the experience, is the subject. Crossing the latter out makes it impossible to even speak meaningfully of experience.

>> No.6051933

>>6048663
but there is an epidemic. Tribal groupthink is rife among UK youths

>> No.6051938

>>6048626
Peter isn't a Thatcherite.

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6051977

So do we all, OP. At least we still have his work.

>> No.6051990

>>6051925
if an object can be experienced then it is done so objectively

>> No.6052005

>>6051990
No, it is done so subjectively, as it is done by the subject. A greater level of objectivity only enters to the degree you're able to share it through the medium of language, or reproduce the experience in experiment.

>> No.6052014

>>6051933
>chavs
>tribal
>not the same dumb trash found in any nation

>> No.6052019

>>6052005
there is and only can be objectivity
what you may call subjectivity is merely a varying degree of experience in regards to the object

>> No.6052022

Obnoxious piece of shit liked by obnoxious pieces of shit.

>> No.6052030

>>6052022
>ad hominem

This isn't the board for you. /pol/ and /b/ are waiting.

>> No.6052054

>>6052019
>there is and only can be objectivity
That is like saying, there only things being experienced, but nobody's having experiences. The very word 'object' designates a relation to the subject.

The weirdest feature, oerhabs, of analytical philosophy these days, is that, of all things, the self has become the ultimate other. Which, in turn, only furthers the encapsulation of the subject in its little world, where it believes that the objects of its experience are are indeed the actual reality of a world outside of it, which it experiences immediately.

>> No.6052055

What a cruel joke that once he's dead, ISIS and other geopolitical issues come to the fore. I'm very curious what he'd have to say about things in January 2015.

>> No.6052075

>>6052055
He'd probably just double down and say we shouldn't have left Iraq

>> No.6052084

Trots=Twats

>> No.6052103

>>6052075
True, and he'd been right, as IS needs a power vacuum to flourish.

>> No.6052111

>>6052103
We're the ones that created a power vacuum by removing Saddam

>> No.6052120

>>6051336

Yes, both of them.

>> No.6052124

>>6052111
No, you created it by leaving. And also, by allowing iranian proxies to take over the government, leaving the sunni target audience of IS propaganda disenfranchized.

>> No.6052125

>>6052055
>Hitchens in 2015
>"Mussssssssslimmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
>(also christians, buddhists, etc. Jews are okay, tho)

>> No.6052127

>>6051354
And rightly so.

>> No.6052131

>>6051679
Harris is great though, maybe you're a muslim?

>> No.6052135

>>6051836
I like this post.

>> No.6052146

>>6051977

Yeah, I really miss him too.

>> No.6052147

>>6052014
What were there before chavs?

>> No.6052148

>>6052103
>Americans and Euros are this stupid

>> No.6052149

>>6052111

You're such an idiot.

>> No.6052150

>>6052124
There never would have been a power vacuum had we just stayed out.
>And also, by allowing iranian proxies to take over the government, leaving the sunni target audience of IS propaganda disenfranchized.
That's what democracy gets you when 70% of the population is Shiite.

>> No.6052154

>>6052124

#rekt

>> No.6052155

>>6052149
Why?

>> No.6052159

>>6051977
I really liked Letters to a Young Contrarian and Mortality

>> No.6052165

>>6052150
>There never would have been a power vacuum had we just stayed out.

Clearly has no idea what they're talking about.

>> No.6052167

>>6052030

Get fucked faggot.

>> No.6052168

>>6052150
>that's what democracy gets you
No. For example, they could have gone for a system of equal sectarian representation as they have in Lebanon.

>> No.6052171

>>6052155

Let me guess, you think 9/11 was a result of US meddling in the middle east, we trained Bin Laden, etc.

>> No.6052175

>>6052168
Yep, no armed islamic groups in Lebanon.

>> No.6052193

>>6052165
Address the point don't just give me this smug crap.
>>6052168
Ever heard of Hezbollah?
>>6052171
What does that have to do with anything?

>> No.6052201

>>6052055
>I'm very curious what he'd have to say about things in January 2015.

Plenty, none of it intelligent.

>>6052124
>And also, by allowing iranian proxies to take over the government

Maliki was 'our guy'. Iran had his ear, but he wasn't one of their Iraqi proxies.

>leaving the sunni target audience of IS propaganda disenfranchized.

We did that on our own. Maliki just kept it up and doubled down.

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB418/docs/9a%20-%20Coalition%20Provisional%20Authority%20Order%20No%201%20-%205-16-03.pdf

http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB418/docs/9b%20-%20Coalition%20Provisional%20Authority%20Order%20No%202%20-%208-23-03.pdf

>>6052149

Why do you think that he's wrong?

>> No.6052203

>>6052175
None that can overun the region at least. Also, Jezbollah relies entirely on iranian funds, whereas IS is a grassroots movements. What I'm getting at, I guess, is that a lot of the current trouble could have been prevented by a tougher course on Syria and Assad's iranian allies. This, unfortunately, would have been a tough sell on the american public, who had voted Obama into office largely because they wanted exactly that, or anything like it, to not happen.

>> No.6052207

>>6052193
>>>6052165 (You)
>Address the point don't just give me this smug crap.

Do you know what was going on in Iraq up to the 2003 US strike?

Can you name anyone in Al Qaeda other than Bin Laden?

>> No.6052214

>>6052201
>>I'm very curious what he'd have to say about things in January 2015.
>Plenty, none of it intelligent.

so much edge.

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>>6052203
>What I'm getting at, I guess, is that a lot of the current trouble could have been prevented by a tougher course on Syria and Assad's iranian allies
>we defeat isis by attacking the only people fighting them
>mfw Hitchens fans actually believe this

>> No.6052224

>>6052203

Yeah, it's ridiculous, the US still hasn't left Japan or Germany.

It was Clinton's fault that 9/11 happened, it's his legacy actually. Obama's is the fall of Iraq.

>> No.6052227

>>6052203
>None that can overun the region at least
ISIS hasn't overrun the region, it's just expanded to fill the power vacuum. Militarily ISIS has shown itself to be pretty incompetent.
>Also, Jezbollah relies entirely on iranian funds, whereas IS is a grassroots movements
Hezbollah is popular among Lebanese Shiites.

>> No.6052240

>>6052150
>There never would have been a power vacuum had we just stayed out.
If you're talking about Iraq exclusively, there would still have been Islamic extremist from when you started a ten year war in Afghanistan, 1979-1989, and then set the Taliban up as a puppet government afterwards.

Also, if you hadn't assassinated Gaddafi; if you hadn't shat on Palestine; if you hadn't fucked up the enrichment negotiations with President Rouhan in 2005; if you hadn't ... ad infinitum

>> No.6052242

>>6052207
Samefag?

>> No.6052245

>>6052224
>Yeah, it's ridiculous, the US still hasn't left Japan or Germany.
We don't have dozens of troops dying every month in Germany and Japan

>> No.6052248

>>6052201
Oh come on destroying the baath party was necessary. Also, the US still:managed to defeat IS predecessor AQ in Iraq by mobilizing the sunni tribes against them, so there clearly was potential.
>>6052217
IS only arose in the power vacuum created by Assad esdalating the war against his people, so yeah, had he been stopped, IS wouldn't have gotten its playground in the first place.
Also, Assad and Hezbollah have avoided engaging IS forever, and vice versa.

>> No.6052251

>>6052240
>>>6052150
>>There never would have been a power vacuum had we just stayed out.
>If you're talking about Iraq exclusively, there would still have been Islamic extremist from when you started a ten year war in Afghanistan, 1979-1989, and then set the Taliban up as a puppet government afterwards.
>Also, if you hadn't assassinated Gaddafi; if you hadn't shat on Palestine; if you hadn't fucked up the enrichment negotiations with President Rouhan in 2005; if you hadn't ... ad infinitum

I see you are missing your tinfoil hat.

>> No.6052256

>>6052245


The point is we have permanent bases, and are still occupying their land.

>> No.6052257

>>6052214

Hitchens didn't know dick about the Middle East, but that didn't stop him from running his mouth about it. He was a shitty person with shitty, poorly-informed opinions.

>> No.6052260

>>6052227
>Hezbollah is popular among Lebanese Shiites
This may be so, but they still wouldn't be able to form the state-within-the-state they have without ayatollah bucks and ayatollah guns.

>> No.6052261

>>6052240
>if you hadn't shat on Palestine

By your logic they shat on themselves.


I truly do not give a fuck about Palestine.

>> No.6052264

>>6052193
>>6052175
>Ever heard of Hezbollah?
Not that guy but have you? Hezbollah isn't some Shi'i flavor of al-Qaida.

>> No.6052265

>>6052257

Still so much edge.

>> No.6052274

>>6052264
I am that guy, and, well, it is.

>> No.6052275

>>6052248
>Assad esdalating the war against his people

This is the amazing mindset of you people, fighting a war against actual jihadis in your own country makes you an brutal tyrant, invading someone else's country in search of "jihadis" is heroic.

>> No.6052277

>>6052251
He's 100% correct, the tinfoil hat that's missing is yours.

>> No.6052283

>>6052251
>I see you are missing your tinfoil hat.
I'm not sure which part you are denying. To deny these things actually requires the tinfoil fedora. Have a read of some of these:

>you started a ten year war in Afghanistan, 1979-1989, and then set the Taliban up as a puppet government afterwards.
"The first phase of the Afghan War began with the Soviet invasion in December 1979, when the United States, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, organized and sustained Afghan resistance to the Soviets. This resistance was built around mujahideen, fighters motivated by Islam..."
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20100628_30_year_war_afghanistan#axzz3N24oIPlH

>Also, if you hadn't assassinated Gaddafi;
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/20/obama-hails-death-gaddafi

>if you hadn't shat on Palestine
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/11/25/what_will_the_u_s_and_israel_do_once_every_other_country_recognizes_palestine.html

>if you hadn't fucked up the enrichment negotiations with President Rouhan in 2005
“I’m absolutely convinced that we can do business with Dr Rouhani, because we did do business with Dr Rouhani, and had it not been for major problems within the US administration under President Bush, we could have actually settled the whole Iran nuclear dossier back in 2005, and we probably wouldn’t have had President Ahmadinejad as a consequence of America's failure as well.” --Jack Straw (British Foreign minister)

https://www.opendemocracy.net/david-morrison-peter-oborne/us-scuppered-deal-with-iran-in-2005-says-then-british-foreign-minister

>> No.6052285

>>6052277

kek...sure buddy. Do you read Chomsky by chance?

>> No.6052291

>>6052275
>fighting actual jihadis
As I have already pointed out, Assad has spent most of his time fighting the FSA, which only got increasingly islamized as tue war progressed, whereas the actual jihadis mostly conquered territory where Assad already had retreated earlier, since IS completely sucks at conventional warfare.
Had tue US not been on the way out in 2011, that whole thing would have gone down differently.

>> No.6052292

>>6052283

Why don't you post some credible sources, or do you just believe everything you read?

>> No.6052301

>>6052274
>a nationalist army with a governmental body, whose activities are limited to a specific region, is made up of local combatants, and have specific political goals pertaining to their region
>an international urban guerrilla network, whose activities are surprise suicide attacks that occur in desperate locations and has no tangible political goals except killing anyone that isn't their brand of Islam.
Right, identical.

>> No.6052305

>>6052283
>Talks foundered because the US insisted that Iran must not have uranium enrichment facilities on its own soil in any circumstances.

Seems like the US was the only one with any balls at those talks.

>> No.6052310

>>6052291
>Assad has spent most of his time fighting the FSA

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/09/free_syrian_army_uni.php

http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/syrian-rebels-seek-strict-form-of-sharia

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/opinion/the-worlds-next-genocide.html?_r=0

The FSA are Jihadis. The problem is sad fucks like you and Hitchens just want war, you want to feel like heroic freedom fighters and you won't let inconvenient facts get in the way of your grand Good vs Evil narrative, so i'll leave you with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO4mWFP1b5I

>> No.6052314

>>6052283
> Rouhani made a series of proposals that could, and should have led to a settlement – were a deal not blocked by George W Bush.


Bush was not not be fooled by that towel head.

>> No.6052315

>>6052305
Well it's easy to talk when you and your regional pet are the ones with the nukes, especially when the pet denies having them which is a violation of international law :^)

>> No.6052318

>>6052283
>The first phase of the Afghan War began with the Soviet invasion in December 1979

Started by US...what?

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>>6052292
Are you actually as moronic as you're coming across right now?

You didn't know the US backed the mujahideen?

You didn't know they supported the overthrow of Gaddafi?

>> No.6052326

>>6052315

The "regional pet" is the only country in the region modern and stable enough to have nukes.

>> No.6052331

>>6052305
>seriously implying Iran would have any reason to build a nuclear weapon

Imagine, right now, they have one.
The US by itself has 5000.

>> No.6052332

>>6052325

Let me guess you think the US trained and financed Bin Laden.

>> No.6052335

>>6052326
>The "regional pet" is the only country in the region modern and stable enough to have nukes.

O I M laffing

>> No.6052336

>>6052331

>Implying the US is the same as Iran.

kek.

>> No.6052337

>>6052305
>Seems like the US was the only one with any balls at those talks.

I'm not so sure. I think it was quite shortsighted of the US. It would be like a rebellious 16yo asking his father if he could have a beer. The father knows that the boy is going to go out and get drunk with his friends if he says no, so saying yes, letting the boy stay home and enjoy a beer in the safety of the fathers guidance might be the wisest choice.

>> No.6052340

>>6052331
It has a pretty obvious reason for wanting nukes: to deter an American attack.

>> No.6052341

>>6052335

Why?

>> No.6052344

>>6052337

Could you be any more stupid?

>> No.6052349

>>6052248
>Oh come on destroying the baath party was necessary.

Did you stop reading with you saw the word "Ba'ath"? Read both documents in their entirety and you should be able to piece together how monumentally stupid they were.

The CPA banned former Ba'athists—even low-level associates of the party—from being employed in the public sector. Then it completely dismantled the Iraqi military, intelligence, and security apparatuses. This removed tons of Sunnis not only from positions of power and influence, but from relatively low-level government jobs. It turned a semi-competent military into a pile of dog shit.

Guess who lots of those Sunnis—including some higher-level military officers—joined up with?

>Also, the US still:managed to defeat IS predecessor AQ in Iraq by mobilizing the sunni tribes against them, so there clearly was potential.

We paid them to fight extremists and they did. Then do you know what happened? Our boy Maliki and his government kept treating Sunnis like shit, and ISIS was able to tap into their resentment yet again as they swept across half of Iraq.

I can link you to footage of ISIS murdering former Sahwa leaders in their own homes, if you'd like.

>>6052265

Whatever bruh. I'd rather be edgy than a dumb dead cunt.

>>6052310

The FSA is a very mixed bag. In any case, the poster you replied to is absolutely right that Al-Assad concentrated overwhelmingly on fighting the non-ISIS opposition. At the same time, ISIS steamrolled their way over half of Syria and fought other opposition groups with minimal resistance from the regime. Evidently, Al-Assad's idea was that international support for the opposition would decrease as ISIS's relative influence increased. Looks like it worked!

>> No.6052351

>>6052336
Iran isn't directly responsible for the wholesale murder of literally billions of people in its history, no.
>Actually using this argument for the only state in the world to have actually used nuclear weapons and done so purely for the purposes of vengeance slaughter of the Japanese and intimidation of the USSR
Americans, please.

>> No.6052361

>>6052349

MFW you don't understand world issues.

Time to get off 4chan read a bit more anon.

>> No.6052365

>>6052332
The US financed the Islamist war against the Soviet Union and the secular Afghan government, Bin Laden and Ayman Zawahiri
took part in this war and afterwards formed al-Qaeda. Do you honestly think if the Islamists had lost that war decisively if al-Qaeda had not been formed and if there had been a secular government in Afghanistan for the past three decades we would have the same problems with Islamism that we do now?

>> No.6052367

>>6052340
While a good reason it's impossible for Iran to build an arsenal that could do anything of the sort. It couldn't even build a defense system for that kind of threat- no one could. The whole narrative of Iran trying to build nukes is completely ideological warfare.

>> No.6052370

>>6052351

Do you read Noam Chomsky?

>> No.6052374

>>6052349
>Whatever bruh. I'd rather be edgy than a dumb dead cunt.

That dumb dead cunt still has a better grasp on the middle east than you though. How does that feel?

>> No.6052375

>>6052349
>Assad concentrated overwhelmingly on fighting the non-ISIS opposition

Who are?

The jihadis in the FSA and the jihadis in jabhat al-nusra.

>> No.6052376

>>6052370
Reading Noam Chomsky is better than reading Christopher Hitchens.

>> No.6052377

>>6052361

>Give semi-detailed responses
>Some idiot tries to shoot me down with a one-liner

I've read more about this shit than you have. Feel free to expand on why you think I'm wrong.

>> No.6052383

>>6052365

This post is incoherent.

>> No.6052384

>>6052341
>far-rightist militarist culture is "stable"
I'll grant that's definitely modern. That is, 20th century.

>> No.6052387

>>6052374
>That dumb dead cunt still has a better grasp on the middle east than you though.

>How does that feel?

Incorrect.

>>6052375
>I'm just going to ignore the point and repeat myself :)

>> No.6052391

>>6052376

HAHA, nigga please.

Chomsky is a deluded hack. I can't believe people take him seriously. You might as well say you read Howard Zinn too.

>> No.6052393

>>6052332
>Let me guess you think the US trained and financed Bin Laden.

The underlying implication being that the US backed al-Qaeda?

As to training and financing Bin Laden, yes. Bin Laden trained under the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence funded by American dollars and firing American weapons. Not even the US government denies this, or denies Operation Cyclone.

>> No.6052396

I can't believe there are neocon apologists on /lit/ of all places.

>> No.6052400

>>6052370
I don't, pig. Go back to watching Fox News now, you've suffered amongst the intellectuals and their book learnin' long enough.

>> No.6052401

>>6052325
>taliban
>1985

K

>> No.6052402

>>6052391
>Chomsky is a deluded hack
Still miles better than Hitchens.

>> No.6052403

>>6052377
>I've read more about this shit than you have.

No you haven't

>Feel free to expand on why you think I'm wrong.

On all points. Don't really have the time. If you posted something worth expanding upon I would, but you have just been regurgitating cliches. I find it funny more than anything.

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>>6052391

>> No.6052409

>>6052393
>As to training and financing Bin Laden, yes.

AHAHA

you're so stupid.

>> No.6052411

I just watched a debate from 2005 between him and George Galloway. Even though there's quite bit to take issue with on Hitchens' Iraq War stance, Galloway's display of demagoguery and ad-hominem assault was sickening. I felt bad for Hitchens having to share the stage with that charlatan and enduring his intellectually shallow and cheap tactics in order to win the crowd rather than the debate.

>> No.6052414

>>6052401
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban#Origin

>> No.6052418

>>6052402

Hardly, Hitchens rekt him in 2011. Enjoy your conspiracy theories.

>> No.6052421

Are there actually people ITT claiming the US didn't support Islamist in Afghanistan?

>> No.6052422

>>6052400

MFW you think you are an intellectual.

kek.

>> No.6052425

>>6052396
They've been raiding for years now. Are you new?

>> No.6052428

>>6052418
Same year that cancer rekt Hitchens

>> No.6052430

>>6052421
The best part is the neocon is calling everyone else a conspiracy theorist

>> No.6052431

>>6052396

Fuck off Glen Greenwald.

>> No.6052435

>>6052403
>No you haven't

But I have. I study Middle Eastern history and politics. I studied in the Middle East. I'm not an Iraq War expert by any means, but I doubt that your knowledge of it goes deeper than what you've gleaned from the news and maybe a couple of books.

How's your Arabic?

>On all points. Don't really have the time. If you posted something worth expanding upon I would, but you have just been regurgitating cliches. I find it funny more than anything.

"Yur rong. Completely rong. Smart guy like me doesnt hav time 2 explain y u rong. But ur rly rong faget."

Eat shit, moron.

>> No.6052437

>>6052409
>Bin Laden trained under the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence funded by American dollars and firing American weapons.

Do you deny this then? You believe the Pakistani government, the UK government, the US government, and every contemporary historian are all lying, and only you know the truth? Fair enough. It must be great to have that kind of knowledge.

>> No.6052439

>>6052383
You're suffering from ideology, under-education, or both.

>> No.6052443

>>6052435

You were rekt. No need to claim things like "I studied in the middle east."

>> No.6052448

>>6052370
>he refuses to read anyone that's not on his dot on the political spectrum
>"lol u reed? wat a FAGGET"

I think you've all been baited.

>> No.6052449

>>6052437

Do some googling mate.

>> No.6052458

>>6052449
kill yourself "mate"

>> No.6052467

>>6052458

Seriously do some googling, there is no reason in 2015 to still believe the things you do.

>> No.6052507
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6052507

>>6052443

إبيك ترول برو

>> No.6052514

>>6052449
But google just conforms that I'm right.
-1979, Soviets want to invade Afghanistan.
-Murrica doesn't like this, and the CIA set up Operation Cyclone to finance the Afghan mujahideen (fighters motivated by Islam).
-The US provided billions of dollars and weapons to train the Afghans in Pakistan. "funding began with $20–$30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987"
-Bin Laden trains in Pakistan in 1979, because he shares the US goal of "helping the Islamic fighters against the Soviet invaders."
-The US states "we are prepared to accept that the Islamic fighters we have organized against the Soviets will govern Afghanistan."
-There were many separate Islamic factions, but a coalition called the Taliban took power in 1996.
-The Taliban in turn provided sanctuary for a group of international jihadists, headed by Bin Laden, called al Qaeda,

>> No.6052523

>>6052507
ruh roh

>> No.6052594

Apparently the neoconfag got flustered and fled.

>> No.6052619

>>6052147
chav eggs

>> No.6052629

>>6048626

That's an outrageous accusation.

Peter Hitchens doesn't want to bring about the second coming of Margaret Thatcher...

He wants to resurrect Enoch Powell.

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6052658

>>6051631

William Lane Craig will outlive all of them and Salman Rushdie.

>> No.6052665

>>6052658

WLC is going to embrace radical takfirism and join ISIS within the next two years. Count on it.

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6052675

>wanna read some essays by christopher hitchens
>buy book
>it's nothing but drunken ramblings with some loose thematic connections
>call someone to complain
>they tell you they're arguably essays by christopher hitchens
>mfw

>> No.6052677

>>6051631
The Ancestor's Tale is a nice introduction to evolutionary biology, I don't give a fuck, fight me about it.

>> No.6052679

>>6052619
Chavs are ejected into a medium as larvae