/lit/ - Literature

>>5185524
I loved it. I haven't read it in a while, so I unfortunately can't comment intelligently on the ending.

>>5185524
Also, if you haven't read Snow Crash, I felt that it was a perfect satirical followup to the type of literature that Gibson's influence spawned.

So go read it. You won't regret it.

>>5185524
>How did you guys interpret that?
I loved Neuromancer when I was 14. When I was an undergrad, I wrote a paper in which I interpreted that specific scene as an ironic reference to Star Wars VI, actually. It would make sense with respect to the rest of the ending involving more satire-ish Science Fiction clichés.

This might arguably be the most overrated book I've ever read. It's not only poorly written, but also extremely difficult to follow due do a lack of coherent world building.

>>5185855
hm. Elaborate please?

>>5185860
Much of the book involves semi-ironic references to all previous science fiction. You see it in the comic-book-style names of the characters (like Molly Millions), which are reminiscent of the "hard" science fiction of the 1940s and 1950s, as well as in the faux-angsty references to the "soft" science fiction of the 1960s and 1970s.

>>5185858
I felt that the world-building and writing were more than sufficient, but I can see where you're coming from. It's definitely not a book that everyone enjoys.

>>5185869
you sure about that? I have no background in sci-fi at all, but to me it seemed like the book was written very sincerely. I could sense it fell back on some established tropes, but as far as ironically referencing earlier works, I didn't see it.

>>5185885
To elaborate: I feel like I enjoyed it because I appreciated it at face value, not as a significant work of literature. I rather enjoyed the world and all the cool inventions and the ending conceit that God might be created out of AI. It wasn't serious lit but I don't think it tried to be and it definitely doesn't deserve to be analyzed as such

>>5185885
I'm fairly certain. It definitely isn't satire, if that's what you think I meant. It's more an amalgamation of the previous forms of sci-fi. It both mocks them and pays homage to them. There are some really interesting literary critiques of it if you want to delve deeper into this. Some of the ones in "Fiction 2000: Cyberpunk and the Future of Narrative" are a decent place to start, even though the book as a whole is rather pointless.

>>5185891
No, it isn't serious lit, but it helped to bring sci-fi closer to serious lit than it was before.

>>5185524
Parts of it are pretty cringeworthy (Space Jamaicans???) but I thought it was fun too.

>>5185927
That's just your ethnocentrism and lack of imagination getting in the way. If space travel was available globally and commercially, then isn't possible that smaller nations or religious sects might seek to reestablish themselves off of Earth?

>>5185929
And the Space Jamaicans were yet another reference to the stereotypes used in earlier sci-fi.

>>5185945
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>>5185927
newsflash everyone: look up 'Afrofuturism'. It's a cultural reference, but not necessarily one inside the domain of SF.

>>5185963
Thanks. That's interesting, but the specific term wasn't introduced until the 1990s, and I'd still argue that a large basis of what has been identified as "Afrofuturistic" work is sci-fi, although some of it, naturally, is not.

So I suppose both points stand.

Neuromancer = Count Zero > Mona Lisa Overdrive.

Discuss

>>5185945
Space Jamaicans, you say?

>>5185982

Nope. All Gibson's trilogies get worse as they go along.

>>5185975
>the specific term wasn't introduced until the 1990s, and I'd still argue that a large basis of what has been identified as "Afrofuturistic" work is sci-fi, although some of it, naturally, is not.
Well, I think the musical genre might be more important here. Notice the importance of dub to the jamaican elements in Neuromancer. Lee 'Scratch' Perry is important here. I don't know any literary afrofuturism, but purely from the term it might include all kinds of african diaspora, whereas the Neuromancer kind is specifically Jamaican/Rastafari, which is why I think dub music is the most relevant kind of Afrofuturism here.

>>5186035
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>>5185929
Um. Hey. Non-/lit/ here. Just wanted to say that you guys are definitely the best board on here. Every time I stroll by I learn something interesting.

>>5186062
Well, thanks. We appreciate it.

>>5186000
Everybody get up, it's time to slam now.

>>5186062
Don't say that too loud, the retard bin will hear and start leaking over

>>5186080
I'd just like to point out that there is an amazing remix on youtube when you search for heroes of might and magic slammin jammin or something like that.

>>5185524
I read it fairly recently and quite enjoyed it, I agree with your points and while I liked it I feel it gets hyped up simply because it was the first and arguably purest iteration of cyberpunk, that and it turned out to be a pretty accurate speculative piece

>>5186113
That is fantastic. The grimblee remix is pretty amazing as well, if you haven't heard it.

>>5186035
Would that YA book "The Ear, the Eye, and the Hand" qualify? I loved that one as a kid.

This is a trilogy. People read Neuromancer and stop but this is a trilogy. Read the other 2 books.