/lit/ - Literature

>>5166401
>authors were literate and extroverted since they had to network to get their writing in the public sphere

You're basing this on research or did you just make this up?

>>5166401
Fuck you it's how I afford my addictions.

>>5166411
As I said I'm being a bit generalizing and there are many notable exceptions, but being a man of letters *and* somebody with the connections to get published and popular takes some interpersonal skills and wealth. Yes, there were and are monks who write things, loner philosophers, etc. but by and large I would say that's an exception based on logic. Being an introverted assburger is not conducive to a career in the public eye, and never has been. Introversion seems to be an obvious liability to such people.

>>5166401

The manner in which one becomes familiar with the canon is generally a long period of lonely reading or a drawn out passion that spans a lifetime of distractions. The fantasy worlds that the more dedicated authors live in during their furloughs into literature means that they will inevitably be cut off from society and modern life for a period of time. This is all it takes for a brilliant mind to become eccentric and ridiculous.

>>5166506
Sounds like whimsy, sir. Got anything to back that up?

I hear this from wannabes all the time. "The only way to be a great writer, man, is to like, read a bunch of classics and learn by osmosis. You don't need all that pleb craft study, you just gotta like, discuss deep literature and only read canon and one day, if they stars align, you'll be a fucking diamond, man."

Forgive the hyperbole but this romanticism doesn't line up with the essays and speeches of actual authors.

I have a feeling this topic will be just conjecture for a while. For every extrovert claimed as proof there will be an introvert available to counter.

I guess you'd need a fairly exhaustive list to even compare and even then it'll have a fair share of authors who could fit under either category.

>>5166429
>the public eye

And this means what in the 15th century? or the 18th? Showing face at a salon a few times a year?

>>5166543

How shall I back up a hypothetical like that? You can disprove it, but I believe it explains the stereotype. I'm not saying that it should apply to all authors and literary types, but rather that it should serve you towards understanding the causes of the notion.

Now if you want to make a point of enshrining extroverted authors as much as people do the introverted ones, go for it, as it seems your responses are biased towards that idea.

>>5166543
>the essays and speeches of actual authors.

Such as?

On the one hand, I'm inclined to agree with OP that the romanticized lonely writer is just that: romanticized. And I worry that people who cling to that image do so as a defense mechanism for their "me against the world" mentality.

But I don't think extrovert/introvert are great terms to invoke here. You can be generally quiet or shy and still manage to make friends in the right places.

>>5166588
Well, I would focus primarily on successful authors, i.e. commercially or academically established. Any random fag can call himself an author but we're talking about those who actually make money and/or a name for themselves. Think of the authors you read and ask yourself based on interviews and their writing, do they seem to be actual introverted lone wolves, or simply private people who are very much well-adjusted and savvy in publishing networks?

>>5166623
No, it meant the same thing then as it did now. Getting around educated circles, having your name in print, being recognizable, financially capable of sustaining a lifestyle that allows for time to write via social ability which has always been a determining factor of success in most fields.

>>5166625
>>5166628
As stated, the various essay and books on the writing lifestyle by several authors, George Orwell, Mark Twain, Stephen King, Kurt Vonnegut, etc. If you're not familiar with their essays I'm not going to spell it out for you, but they have written about the writing life and all of them emphasize the ability to work with people. Hell, Mark Twain was known as The Man In White and wore a dandy suit around to be stylish, he was a prototype metrosexual.

>>5166658
>As stated, the various essay and books on the writing lifestyle by several authors, George Orwell, Mark Twain, Stephen King, Kurt Vonnegut, etc. If you're not familiar with their essays I'm not going to spell it out for you, but they have written about the writing life and all of them emphasize the ability to work with people. Hell, Mark Twain was known as The Man In White and wore a dandy suit around to be stylish, he was a prototype metrosexual.

Very clear that you're an american at this point and that I should stop contributing to this discussion.

>>5166662
>I don't like what you said so I'll just call you a faggot.

Ok merci pour votre contribution.

I mentioned mostly American authors, so what? The point still stands.

>>5166401
I'm an Argentinian writer.
As far as I can tell, writting needs a lot of thinking alone, lots of essays that go to the trash. Some men through history have become obsessed with their own writting, and to purify this, to devote their lives to it, they refuse external contatct. Some of them tend to have diferent kinds of psychiatric abnormalities; for example, Borges. He was an excellent writer, with tremendous works, but he died probably a virgin. He only had one girlfriend on his entire life, and she asked him if he could kiss her after three months of relationship. He lived with his mother until she died when he was seventy-something. He was the ultimate beta, and still one of the greatest writers the world has known.

>>5166707
If I hadn't knew my actual girlfriend some time ago, I would have probably gone insane as multiple other writers. During my adolescence, I had social anxiety, and then I realized writing is the only thing I'm good at, so even then I was seeing my life as a prisioner of myself in a small apartment, covered with books and papers.

2 late i'm already #lost in the funhouse.

>>5166791
muh country is white.jpg

schopenhauer
neitzsche
kant
emily bronte
pynchon
emily dickenson


GEE WHIZ, WHERE COULD THIS STEREOTYPE HAVE COME FROM?

>>5166429

why do you think you need aspergers to be an introvert?

>>5166816
You forgot about Borges
Geez

>>5166816
It was a rhetorical question, I see you have failed the autism screening test required to access /lit/. Please step into the basket and we will transport you to /r9k/ at the earliest convenience.

>>5166806

>>5166830
Yeah, tell me

>>5166836

>>5166838
Yeah?

>>5166841
What the fuck are you talking about dude.

>>5166848
I don't know. Insomnia destroys me.
I beg your pardon, Anon.

>>5166855
I was just wondering what you were trying to say.

s-sorry. Please explain.

>>5166861
I made that huge text about that Argentinian writer, and then
>>5166791
So I tried to welcome him to the party...
that's all
I haven't sleep since forever

>>5166861
I-I'm sorry, senpai, I'll go to bed ;-;

>>5166429
So, you're just making stuff up.

>>5166868
I know Borges. Do you know Barth?

Get sleep somedude.

>>5166874
No
Why would you say so?

>>5166828

it wasn't a rhetorical question, you made a claim and I refuted it. do you understand how arguments work?

>>5166886
Absolutely not. And I won't at 2:29 AM. Good night, people, I will return in the morning if this is still on.
I seriously hope you have a nice week, see you.

>>5166894

>affecting apathy to win an argument

>>5166898
I sincerely don't get you, guys.
4chan is a weird place at this hours.

>>5166905
fuck you i hope you die in your sleep.
some people, sheesh.

>>5166907
lolhwat