/lit/ - Literature

>>5108286
How's the second book? I still haven't bought it. At this point I might have to re-read the first book although I think I still remember the gist of what happened.

>>5108286
Also, that art's a level below the first book's cover. It's straying back into cheesy fantasy cover art territory.

>>5108466
It reveals what happens in the book though.

>>5108463

You'll need to, just to catch all the little bits.
Worth a read, it's the best thing Sanderson has written. Expands the shit out of the world and all the characters that annoyed you become likeable. Still, there's a new character called Lift that pissed me off.

So what Sanderson books are worth reading? I read Mistborn and it was ok I guess. The first book was great, the others not so much. Enjoyed Alloy of Law. Haven't read anything else.

>>5108671
Stormlight archive is alright if you like fantasy. The second book was better than the first, but ymmv

>>5108466
OP posted the 'beta' cover, the real cover is a bit better, but I agree with you. The endpaper would have been better, since it is Shallan's book.

>>5108286
he'll definitely be killed -after finally doing a good job as king- either by assassins or in battle

sanderson is a fucker who always does shit like this with his fucking twists

shit kaladin will DEFINITELY -if you ask me- not be the champion, the foreshadowed thing about there being champions or something like that

>>5108640
he's trying to write kid characters and he's SHIT at it

to him kid characters of any note = witty small adult

for all his flaws that make me want to punch him in the gut this series is my favorite from the genre right now

>>5108671
all of his fantasy stuff are palateable, in any case his formula or whatever doesn't end up spewing turds like other writers I've tried

I want to read this but after reading the long, drawn out love letter to Mormonism that was the Mistborn trilogy, I'm pretty wary on anything Sanderson at this point.

>>5109877

Apparently she'll be a POV character in one of the later books. Don't know if want. On one hand he did well making me like Shallan in WoR. On the other hand, "awesomeness."

Smells like high school plebs here

>>5110325
>Smells like high school plebs here
>when you post on /lit/ you must only speak of Infinite jest, Gravity's Rainbow and any other number of old dusty tomes
>serious literature only or you are a kid

>>5109913
>I'm pretty wary on anything Sanderson at this point.
As you should be, when the Cosmere is complete it will be compiled into a single holy text. Heralding the rise of Mormonism, with Sanderson as the chosen prophet, tasked with spreading truth, family values, and publicly shaming the anti christ.

>>5110325

Let them have their thread you fucker.

>>5110318
Ugh there are thousands of better words he could have chosen that would have fit so much better. I feel like this has been Sanderson's biggest mistake with the series so far.

>>5112606

>>5110318
Hopefully Lift will mature in the second half of Stormlight (which will likely be a 5 or 10 year time skip), that awesome shit was jarring. Despite that I still enjoyed her chapter and hope we get to see some more theivery, while she berates her spren.

>>5109877
What makes you think Adolin will even be king?
Dalinar will lead the KR as bondsmith and I don't see him going anywhere. Adolin will get in some deep shit for killing Sadeas (it was justified) for the way he went about it. He may get exiled from Urithuru, then on his adventures, hopefully reawaken the spren in his blade.

>>5112743

I'd like that (regarding Lift). Spook's development in Mistborn was great, and something similar would be welcoming.
Not the guy who said that, but Adolin is first in line (Dalinar wouldn't take the crown) and it would be great to see him ruling wisely as being his redemption for killing Sadeas. Also, I'm hoping that not every PoV ends up as a KR.

>>5109877
>implying that Adolin won't morph into the antagonist after Kaladin fucks his waifu

You can tell in the second book that it's coming. God I fucking hate Kaladin.

>>5112803

>you'll never be a qt surgeon with scars and seasonal affective disorder and a wind fairy companion

Y-yeah, I hate Kaladin too...

>>5112757
I see, there are still a lot of road blocks to him becoming king, but it could happen down the line. Right now half the world is in chaos thanks to Tarav and the Everstorm hasn't even hit yet, kings will be useless if they can't protect the people when the parshmen turn.

What I want to see is Elhokar stepping up and learning to be a better king, I gained some fondness for him at the end of WOR.

>I'm hoping that not every PoV ends up as a KR.
I kind of agree, the Kholins already have too many. Howevere, there are ten surges and I want to get an in depth look at them all, but does that mean each order needs a POV? I say yes, but will concede that some of those can be put in as interlude charactets.

>>5112859

He's mentioned that each book will focus on a different surge, so theories are that each focus character (like Kaladin in WoK, Shallan in WoR and Szeth in SU) will be a member of a different order. I don't really know though, because apparently Eshonai is the focus of book 4, and I didn't think Parshmen could be KR. Also, one or two will focus on Heralds, so I'm just going with it.

Yeah, at the end Elhokar became one of my favourites

>>5112877
>thinking Elhokar was a spoiled brat for 99% of the series
>he was trying his best all along

Don't do this to me, Sanderson.

>>5112882

>Everyone expects him to be great because his father united the country
>The uncle is the fucking Blackthorn
>No-one takes his anxiety seriously
>Every time he tries to do something it backfires
>His wife is back home getting plowed by Herdazian Chads
>Gets beaten the shit out of by his uncle, who then promises that he'll be fucking his mom soon
>sees demons out of the corner of his eyes

:(

>>5112898
I hope he's a KR. If any character in the entire thing deserves it, it's Elhokar. I want him to save the motherfucking day.

This book is full of characters like that. When the other Highprinces showed up at the end it was such a good feeling. Then Roion dies and I feel like shit. He wasn't even an important character, but a few pages made him stand out from the background.

>all these names and words I don't really recognise

Welp, I guess that means I really do have to reread the first book.

>>5112877
>each book will focus on a different surge
That's right, I forgot about that.
Eshonai knows something is wrong with her transformation, how she will overcome Odium's influence is a mystery. There's a theory that she will join the order that loves adventure (as stated in one of the epigraphs), can't remember which one.
I can see Shen becoming a KR or at least a windrunner squire.

>>5112916
Do it, you'll catch more of the callbacks and enjoy the second book that much more.

>>5112851
I didn't need to feel this.
I just want a Sylphrena of my own ;_;

I still haven't forgiven Kaladin for nearly killing her and making her sad for like half the book.

>>5112916
:^)

>>5112877
>I didn't think Parshmen could be KR
Maybe she falls under weather? Kal can fly and make things fly(gravity binding) maybe Eshonai is weather binding.

Can I sperg out about the Cosmere? I never get to do that.

>>5108608
Once you get there but we knew a Kaladin and Szeth confrontation was going to happen since the ending of TWoK.

>>5108671
Do you like meta-series'?

>>5109877
He might be. He IS going to Braize after all but then again, he could be going to provide support.

>>5110318
Lift will have her own book in the second half, yes. So will Jasnah. Lift used "awesomeness" because she is a kid. This has been explained. And yes, it is expected that she will mature by the second half.

>>5112757
Fun fact: Spook was basically a gigolo at the end of Mistborn and helped repopulation.

>>5112925
Something is wrong with the Knights Radiant as well. That's what the numerical code in one of the end epigraphs from The Diagram was about.

>>5114676
I believe the Listeners are Voidbinders which are basically Surgebinders but different yet similar abilities.

>>5112606
The Mormon shit just oozes out of the text, you can sense it. Adds a nasty aftertaste to an otherwise excellent series, like eating a lemon caper sauce cooked in a cast iron pan.

>>5114760
I don't see any Mormon shit oozing out of the pages, I just get an enjoyable story. Maybe you had a bad experience with some Mormons and that got your jimmies rustled.

>>5108286
The moment he killed Sadeas I knew he was going to be a bad guy. That or he is going to father the same transformation as his father

>>5114757
>Spook was basically a gigolo at the end of Mistborn and helped repopulation.
Already worked that out, he was the only Allomancer left when the book ended.
All of these people claim that they were descended from him.

>wasing the whereing who
>high speech
Man... when I read her say she could read old high speech and saw that.... fucking Sanderson man

Why is everyone assuming Elhokar will die?

Um, Mormonism?

Please explain your theory.

>>5112925
Parshendi can't bond with spren to become surgebinders.

>>5115295
The death of Sadeas was satisfying.

>>5115334
It was but it wasn't honorable. Definitely not KR material (unless he becomes a skybreaker or dustbringer and apparently those fuckers a crazy)

>>5115342
See, that's where I disagree. The Child of Honor killed Sadeas, who needed killing.

>>5115360
Kaladin was the child of honor. One of the main things of honor which was a main theme through the entire second book was that you need to protect even those you hate. Killing Sadeas was underhanded and cheap. No honor. Period.

There is a reason Renarin became a shard bearer before Adolin and that's because Adolin isn't worthy.

>>5115334
I disagree but I'm glad he died. He didn't advance the plot at all and the ghost bloods basically took over his role of primary douche.

Does anyone else think the NightWatcher is one of Odium's spren? The Diagram is pretty much wrong on all counts. Seriously? How is causing war and wasting lives in succession wars good for humanity against Odium. ffs They wanted to kill the guy that would be responsible for founding the nights radiant

>>5115424
knights*

>>5115295
The murder of Sadeas was expected. WHY do so many people read into this so much?

>>5115300
And Sazed/Harmony made him into a Mistborn.

I wish I could speak High Speech irl.

>>5115342
It's speculated that Adolin will become a member of /some/ order of Knights Radiant because of his Shardblade rituals.

>>5115424
Nightwatcher is likely from Cultivation.

>>5115334
I rubbed one out when I read it, wanted him dead since book one.

>>5115424
>I disagree but I'm glad he died.
>>5115342
>It was but it wasn't honorable
>>5115334
>The death of Sadeas was satisfying.

What everyone seems to forget is that Sadeas' wife is more ruthless and smarter than Sadeas himself. She has all the spies, and blackmail material.

You brush her off too easily the third book is gonna be trouble, she will raise everyone against the Kholins and Kal.

What I like in books is when someone nay-says the main character or protagonist, then the same thing they were denying kills/rapes them, it's delicious.

I want all the nay-sayers to die a delicious death.

>>5115469
>It's speculated that Adolin will become a member of /some/ order of Knights Radiant because of his Shardblade rituals.
WHHHAAATTTTTTTTTT

>>5115781
What do you mean? It's not hard to fathom. He seems to actually care for the Shardblade and all that. Wouldn't be surprising.

>Have you already seeded worldhoppers FROM Roshar in your other works?
>Yes. You've met several.
That motherfucker.

>>5115953
So... do I have to reread Elantris, warbreaker and alloy of law with a fine teeth come now?

We know of wit in all three of those who else....

>>5115953
>>5116292

It's nothing too groundbreaking. Galladon and Captain Demoux are looking for Hoid at the Purelake. Vasher turns up as Adolin's swordmaster. Nightblood obviously turns up.

>>5116325
> Vasher turns up as Adolin's swordmaster. Nightblood obviously turns up.
... I knew his personality seemed familiar... Sanderson really is a fucker

So is Wit the Tom Bombadil of the Stormlight Arcive?

>>5116325
>FROM Roshar in your other works
You listed people from other places IN Roshar.

>>5114757
>Something is wrong with the Knights Radiant as well.
Are you about the modern KR? I know there's something wrong with the Heralds.

>>5115300
>he was the only Allomancer left when the book ended.
That's not true at all.

>>5116406

So I did! Then we have the people who hired Shallan, the guy who had the White Sand (from White Sand) and the Tears of Elgli, forgot his name though... A few of them are confirmed worldhoppers. I'll have it reread it to get them all.

>>5116418
From the way the question and the answer were phrased, he's implying that there are people from Roshar that we've seen in WoK/WoR (although that part could potentially be untrue) that we also saw in other books, because they worldhopped out of Roshar.

>>5108286
Its a bad series already - only 2 books in and the consensus is bloated and redundant writing.

>>5116710

Really?
I've not heard that anywhere

>>5108286
Adolin did nothing wrong (I weep for Sureblood), Jasnah will drop her pantsu for Kaladin, and Dalinar is going to make Taravangian his bitch.

>>5116292
Up to you, or wait for the people good at this thing to do so. We still haven't found the Terriswoman Worldhopper yet either.

>>5116325
Galladon, Demoux, and a guy from White Sand.

>>5116375
Hoid is not even the most Cosmere-aware person in the universe.

>>5116409
>Are you about the modern KR?
Yes. I'm curious as to what it is.

>>5117182
>Yes. I'm curious as to what it is.
Ok, I looked it up and I think this is it.

Decoded from a Diagram epigraph: Hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. You may need it to destroy the new Orders when they return.

Looks like it's alluding to the Recreance, when the ancient KR broke their Oaths, and the reason they did so is still in play, which can harm the current KR.

>>5117203
I already knew about the epigraph. I had referred to that previously. I had meant that I wonder what the big secret is which we won't find out until future books.

>>5116956
He's just some jelly "working on my novel" Author, who is sick of seeing Sanderson's works being posted while no one speaks of his.

Does Sanderson browse /lit ?

>>5118176
I wish... he has his own website where people lube his dick on a daily basis... no need to come here for 2d chinese cartoon girls

>>5118655
>no need to come here for 2d chinese cartoon girls

>>5118676
p-please i'm sorry you can use me anyway you like

>>5116409
>That's not true at all.
The last mistborn? Does that statement satisfy you?

Still haven't read this series, tempted though, maybe /lit/ can persuade me?

I'm picky on my fantasy books, I want one that is realistic in the way that the characters are actual humans and have feelings in a way and can be killed. I don't like a lot of magic, I'm fine with a little of it like in A Song of Ice and Fire but if its a really big factor, it annoys the hell out of me.

Can I expect atleast one of these?

>>5118854
Yes.

>>5118806
Snapping still occurs post final ascension.
Spook wasn't the last Allomancer.

>>5118854
>I don't like a lot of magic, I
I'd give Sanderson a pass. Magic is a pretty huge and evident part in his books.

>>5119007
Being an Allomancer is different from being a Mistborn.

>>5119567
I know that.

>>5119567
>that armor
Do you think a fully Fledged Knight's Radiant would be able to form the armor from thin air? Or maybe attract the parts from a vast distance like bleeding edge/extremist Ironman armor?

>>5117841
Oh well, there it is for other anons to see.>>5117203

The thing that caused the Recreance is one of the biggest mysteries right now and it looks like the modern KR will have to face it themselves.

Something to do with the Nahel bond and spren's relation to life on Roshar?
Jasnah may have found the threads leading to the answer during her time in Shadesmar. I really hope we get to see what she did there.

>>5120571
I would assume something like that. We know the secret behind Shardblades; now we wait for the secret behind Shardplate.

>>5120857
I'm hungry for more information about Shadesmar period.

Why do so many fantasy writers do the whole, "violence is wrong guyz; nobility can only be really noble if they give up their power guyz" thing in their books?

Pisses me off. Humanity doesn't act like that. We fucking revel in violence. Most of our greatest role models were kings or statesmen who led their people through wars and fucking enjoyed doing it.

>>5121553

Fantasy is split between "what people are" and "what people could be," along with every other genre. Fantasy tends to focus on war because of Tolkien though.
So, GRRM/Sanderson.
I read both, because sometimes I like to remember that not everyone is an enormous cunt. Or, I like to believe that not everyone is an enormous cunt.

>>5121565
It's not even being an enormous cunt. You can enjoy conflict and competition without being a nasty person.

I'm so tired of that white/black morality tripe. Why are the "good guys" always the reluctant pacifists? Why doesn't anyone want a proactive protagonist?

Fuck, I should just go read Prince of Thorns again.

>>5121574

I was referring more to Gregor Cleganes and the Rikes. You can enjoy conflict and competition, but mass slaughter and violence that affects innocent people is evil as fuck.

>>5121574
Not him, but did you even read the books? The entire Alethkar culture is just how you describe. They have this thing called the Thrill, when they fight they revel in the combat. One of the protagonist is known as the most bloodthirsty conquerors and a hero that united the nation through violence, along with his brother, but in his old age he has come to loathe it.

>>5121623
Yes, but it's treated as a bad thing, like you said. The "good" character preaches that it's a "bad" thing.

>>5121630
Reread the chapter called 'spit and bile' in WOR, when Dalinar and Wit are talking. It explians why Dalinar thinks his old ways were a bad thing.

>>5121630

No, the thrill is literally caused by a demon. There's an unmade called Nergaoul who causes the thrill so humans want to kill each other.
Wanting to hurt others is shit, even when there's a good reason to do it. You should never revel in the pain of others, we aren't fucking chimpanzees.

>>5121696
If someone is your enemy you should want them dead. Simple as that. There's nothing wrong or abnormal about it.

>>5121574
>. Why are the "good guys" always the reluctant pacifists? Why doesn't anyone want a proactive protagonist?
You ever read The Gentlemen Bastards?

What I hate is that I'm going to have to sit through ANOTHER fucking Kaladin pity party when he meets his parents, and then ANOTHER when we learn about his lost love in flashback.

>>5121703
I have and I enjoyed the first book. The writing in the next two was meh, but the first book was pretty nice.

>>5121701

So, you're one of those?
Okay, don't worry about it.

>>5121718
>one of those

I bet you live on the west coast, don't you?

>>5121714
>The writing in the next two was meh
Because Scott Lynch can write dialogue for days, but isn't the best at writing plot.
Also, he browses /lit/ among other boards.

>>5121727

No, I live in Australia...
I wasn't calling you stupid, just young.
Don't worry, you'll grow out of it.

>>5121727
Fuck that guy, I agree with you to an extent, but there are other motives at play, did you read that chapter I told you about? it explians it nicely.

>>5121756
See, I'm 99% positive I'm older than you are, unless you're thirty. I've seen a lot more of the world that you have and I know how people act.

>>5121761
I'll make a note and go look it up later.

>>5121808

Or, so you're old and stupid then?
Don't worry, there's plenty of those too ;)
My point is just that, yes, there are bad people, and bad people do plenty of bad things, but that people should still try to be good. Because, as I said previously, we aren't chimpanzees.
Some people need to be put down, sure. But we should feel pity for the people who do bad things. For every person who gets the death penalty we should feel bad that as a society we failed that potential good person. Hate is easy. Wanting to kill someone is easy. Be a better person.

>>5121837
That kind of thinking didn't make the world. If it were up to people like you, we'd all still be naked savages sitting in a meadow somewhere eating nuts we picked up off the ground.

Our entire world was built on hatred and fighting. Trying to deny that part of humanity, that fundamental part, is a disservice to our species.

>>5121756
>mfw the freshman in college thinks he's older than oters

>>5121872

>>5121871

I keep thinking how much happier I would be doing that... I honestly would.
Books would be replaced by the village elders telling stories around a campfire, your day would be spent hunting for food. You'd have some arranged marriage with someone from another tribe to prevent inbreeding.
I would love to live like that. I was born 50,000 late.

>>5121872
I've got two degrees and a mortgage. And yeah. since otters live for up to 25 years I am :)

>>5121565
>Fantasy tends to focus on war because of Tolkien though.

I hate fags like you that say every single fantasy we have is based on Tolkien.

>Tolkien invented war, that is why all fantasy writers use it
Get #rekt'd

>>5121727
>one of those
I think he was calling you an Americlap, "muh freedums".

>>5121574
I think Black Company did shades of grey well, and as I'm reading, the Malazan series is doing the same.

>>5121630
The Thrill IS from Odium so technically, in-world, it can be considered 'bad'.

>>5121696
>There's an unmade called Nergaoul who causes the thrill so humans want to kill each other.
[citation needed]

>>5121712
Kaladin canonically has depression but I fully agree with you.

Kaladin just pissed me off. That annoying self righteous bastard.
His pride to accept the shardblades did so much harm to everybody around him.

>>5123528
Did you actually read the book or did someone explain it to you?
Sly told him not to use a shardblade, and he made a promise to her that he wouldn't when he broke the promise and DID use it, she went full retard(lost herself). Remember Kaladin has to live and die by his oaths.

Also Syl can turn into any weapon he wants, just like pattern and shal

>>5124275
>Sly told him not to use a shardblade, and he made a promise to her that he wouldn't
You what now?

I'm a sucker for a bit of cheese in my fantasy.
The part near the end, with Kaladin all fucked up and the Stormfather pulling out the "a daughter disobeys" line to Dalinar made my hair stand on end a little.
If you'd read any of Sanderson's other work you'd know immediately that some outrageously flamboyant magicking is about to happen. Shame the characters are mostly hollow copies of eachother.

>>5125496
There is going to be SO much crazy absurd shit going on.

I wonder who the other two Bondsmith will be.

>>5126120
Where are you getting all these pics from?
Are they Official releases?

i just finished BotNS

should i read these

>>5126524
Yeah. They're on Sanderson's website.

>>5126858
Finished what?

Yes.

>>5127532
>Finished what?
Not him but BotNS = Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe.

>>5126858
>should i read these
It's not as dark as BotNS, for some reason I feel like telling you to read the Black Company Chronicles