/lit/ - Literature

with jews: yes

No. The natural state is the gethsemane
the fucking JEWISH god and his bro SATAN caused all this fucking shit and have been fucking with us ever since.

TRUE FACT

>>5039940
>>5039937

/pol/ plz no
stahp

>>5039940

What about Jesus who said to love thy neighbour? He was a jew.

>>5039958
yah and what happened to him?

>>5039923
Yes, it's the only way to achieve reason in the history of the world. Our current society is mentally ill because there is no just violence.

The reward for living on a subcontinent constantly engaged in violent conflict and strife was that we were the ones who dominated Asia, America, and Africa instead of the other way around

Some day our reward for living on a planet constantly engaged in violent conflict and strife will be that we dominate some gay purple nebula instead of the other way around

From what I've read I think it is, even the most well developed ancient civilizations like the Roman Empire were built upon strife and inequality. The Aeneid does a good job in highlighting that.

>>5040037
>The Aeneid
>an accurate depiction of Roman life under Augustine

My third declension is dying of cancer now.

It's the natural state of sexually reproducing species.

P.s. Sexual because bacteria often only consume non bacterial substance.

>>5039940
Not really. The various pagan religious loved violence long before the Jews even began worshiping their desert war god.

>>5040043
part of it is social commentary. It is supposed to be partially inaccurate, that's why Vergil sucks Augustus' dick the entire time but alludes to the falsehood of his greatness. It is supposed to be an imperfect propoganda to make a statement

>>5039923
No.
What books have you been reading?

>>5039937
With religion, yes.
>>5039958
And look how well that's turned out. The best way to follow this line of teaching is to not be a Christian.

>>5039958
To be fair, it's easy to advocate the "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" stuff when you're able to rise from the dead if anyone kills you.

Life was a pretty low-stakes game for Jesus.

human hostility on a large scale is typically a base instinct response to over population/competition for resources

Basically human hostility is its own population control/controlled evolution.

>>5040057
How do I tell the fake Butterfly posts from the real ones? They're all uniformly awful.

Yes, the noble savage is a lie.

Hobbes was right, Rousseau was wrong.

>>5040057
Religion actually earned it's importance in history by regulating mankind impulsive violent behavior and by that sowing the seeds of civilization.

>>5040067
How do you tell one anon from another, they're all so awful

>>5040086
killyourself steven pinker faggot

>>5040086
>implying Locke wasn't the right one

>>5040067
Ask for pics if it is later in the evening.

>>5040102

Go away Americlap.

>>5040086
Disagree. Regulating people with wars and violence in the name of gods didn't make civilization possible.

>>5040104

>>5039923
I don't think people are violent at heart I think people are survivalists at heart.

>>5040109
Since modern archaeology shows that "first came the temple, then the city", i thik your personal dislike of religion is irrelevant here.

>>5040119
What's the consensus on Gobleki Tepe at this point? How did they have such fine artisanship so early? I remember that one intermediate period in Egypt was enough to set sculpture back to the.. well, the stone age. But apparently the stone age has badass sculpture so maybe that's wrong.

⇒Is violent conflict and strife the default state of humanity?

yes

/thread

>>5039923
I don't know about war, but conflict? yes. Even our bodies thrive on allostasis and competition.

>>5040138

Isn't war just conflict on a much larger scale?

>>5040113
ty Schmetterlinghündin

>>5040119
I know what came before, I'm just not so quick to attribute violence to advancements of what is known as "civilization". The push against war and violence is just as much, if not more, to be credited. I know, yin to yang, can't do without one or the other will be unbearable. w/e.
I'm not paying homage to destruction for creation.

>>5040135
But Arrow. Do you think we'll never learn, under any circumstances, to grow out of this state? I think it's entirely possible. "civilized" people exist, people who have never resorted to it. Probability aside, it is possible.

>>5040138
so you're saying that if someone is dehydrated, when the body uses water to sweat and maintain a healthy body temperature while at the same time taking away water from mucous membranes, this is a form of competition...?

>>5040170
Did I not say thrive?

>>5040119
Last time i checked the jury was out in terms of that order though.

Some say organized societies generate religions to maintain order, others say religions regulate and enable organized societies.

No, it's largely cause by culture, or lack of resources.

Look at the Semai people or the Hopi. Non violent people.

>>5040352
So what you're saying is, the more abundant your resources, the gayer and lamer you are?

>>5040113
ty fifalde

>>5039923
War endures.

>>5039923
It's funny, to me, the natural habitat of man. It transforms as one goes from an individual to a collective. Where one individual would pass by, the group would help. Where one individual would let go, the group would confront. Where one individual would sit, the group would fight.
It is not the default state of the individual to want conflict, it is the necessity of the group.

>>5039923
How did you get to this conclusion?

Imagine saying the default state of a human is only hearing and hearing alone.You'd be wrong

We war,we love,we celebrate
Just like everything else