/lit/ - Literature

If an idiot could write it, you would be able to come up with the ideas on your own.

>>4907517

Conceiving and writing are slightly different processes, though. It can be written pretty much mechanically once premise and plot are sketched out.

tl;dr

go away, write your own trash you pleb ass hat

>>4907494

If you middle-man for me and your "connections," I can have a synopsis and first chapter done in like a month.

>>4907494
C'mon man, like I'm going to tell you my cool idea on the off chance that it turns into a blockbuster? That'd be the most dogshit feeling in the world, seeing your idea getting someone else to fame and riches.

>>4907531
>i will always be poor, but i'll have my pride because i am a precious delicate iconoclast

ok bro

>>4907530
But alas they aren't mutually exclusive. Having a high level of technical ability doesn't alone make one a good writer, just as having a high level of story telling ability doesn't. If you can't do both, then you're worse than an idiot for not having already published your YA trash.

>>4907541

Only if there was a chance you would have actually capitalized on it yourself, though. What are the odds you sit down and write this idea? Bear in mind that if you try it yourself and fail, you'll forever live w/the humiliation of having competed on Stephanie Meyer's turf and lost.

>>4907562
Better to devise a new but popular twist on the genre so that you aren't competing with Twilight. That's a losing battle.

>>4907562
>Bear in mind that if you try it yourself and fail, you'll forever live w/the humiliation of having competed on Stephanie Meyer's turf and lost.

Oh man, I smiled.

>>4907494
1. Snarky, Jaded Gothic Wiccan Satanist Not-Raven Dementia Way
2. Not-Hogwarts Mental Hospital Disguised As School For Edgy Teen Girls Who Are Actually Half-Vampire Half-Witch Half-Whatever And Their Attractive Male Doctors And Staff Set In A Dystopian Universe Run By Not The Party
3. Protagonist has the strongest witch powers and is the inmates only hope of escaping
Took me all of 5 minutes. This shit literally writes itself, don't you have an imaginative bone in your body?

>>4907609
>Snarky, Jaded Gothic Wiccan Satanist
I would love to see a 13 year old girl like this

>>4907619
They exist everywhere. Haven't you ever been to an American middle school?

>>4907494
>protagonist is a witty but down to earth girl cavewoman
>surrounded by a strong and dependable caveman, a smart and crazy caveman, and a clingy but sensitive caveman
>the cavemen are separated by tribes according to what they do
>agriculturist cavemen oppress the other cavemen because they are more efficient
>girl is really good at both gardening and hunting
>a race of big-nosed reptilians threaten the cavemen in the second book
>cavemen need the protagonist to fight the reptilians because she is the only one that can turn trees harder but rubbing her butt over them
>written in second person stream of consciousness
Don't quit your job.

>>4907637

This is very similar to How To Train Your Dragon.

>>4907494
A girl becomes grim reaper understudy upon her death, explaining death to new victims as they reach the afterlife. One day she sees someone she once knew, and then tries to escape the world of the death as a form of rebellion as she is not allowed to save him. Then there are like, two other realms you could be sorted to upon death, one neutral / soul / earth world and one religious / god / holy world. It's all just the world with a different color tone shift and population, you shouldn't be able to transition between them but that girl can somehow. You are sent to the afterlife in one of the three realms depending on your traits, or something.

Fuck if I know, I dreamed about it and wrote it down. Don't give enough shits about it to write it, I have other less shit, shit to write.

The trouble with trying to half-ass something in the vein of Harry Potter or The Hunger Games or Divergent is that it's an extremely cynical thing to do. And if you're the sort of writer I think you are, that cynicism is going to bleed into your writing whether you like it or not.

And that is when you will fail. Teenage YA readers, and the agents and editors that try to sell to them, can sniff cynicism, and they hate it. They themselves are immensely cynical, but they don't like cynicism in their reading; indeed, they violently oppose it, because they read for pleasure and it is pleasing for them to escape their cynical reality.

You would have to be an immensely talented mummer and liar to write this stuff cynically but not have it come off as cynical. Rowling, Roth, Meyer, Collins- they wrote their works in earnest, and with enthusiasm. They were idealistic and it produced the sort of fluffy mush that teenage girls guzzle down.

Just read a little big of Campbell and write something that follows the hero's journey. If it worked for George Lucas and JK Rowling, it might work for you.

>>4907722

>>4907546
lol jokes on you I am STEM

I don't have to struggle writing anything great, I don't have to suffer having to writing trash for cash.

I just build infrastructure like a boss.
stay mad.

>>4907722
This.

So many writers have tried to get into the YA genre thinking it was below them and they would just spout off some trash to get money. It doesnt work out.

On the otherhand though, a well written meta-humor book about the genre as a whole, and not a mean spirited mocking of it, might do well.

>>4907722
yup, this. Also it's just simply difficult to write something you would hate to read, even if you manage to write it unironically.

>>4907687
And Harry Potter is just the Chocolate War with magic.
It even has the derivative, almost plagiarized feel of the average YA.

>>4907494
I would try ,and in fact are trying, to write a book that's relevant to me, that I would like or perhaps love.

Writing any long thing is hard and it's unlikely you'll have the passion and stamina to write something you despise.

>>4907494
>>4907541
Here is an idea that OP can use, and everyone else willing in this thread. Rip off a classic, or cult hit. Go find some classic lit or any sort of cult hit that can be easily converted into a modern day setting with a young adult female protagonist.

That's how Hunger Games did it, it's just Battle Royale. Divergent... well, that's just Hunger Games.

Young Adult fiction readers don't give a fuck about classic lit, so just rip it off and none of them will care. You'll get lots of free publicity from hipsters who will call out your rip off despite never actually reading the original.

I might help OP. I'm a published author with some experience in young adult work, but i haven't published anything in twenty years outside technical journals. do you want a synopsis/chapter submission? and how do you want to divide compensation if any?

>>4907693
Someone's been watching Dead Like Me. What a shit fucking show.

Blade Runner's basic premise is ripe for a YA makeover.

>war between humanity and androids (humans are actually brutally oppressing androids (insert heavy handed social commentary on racism or some shit here))
>teenage female protagonist, she is the daughter of a lieutenant (her father is presented as an antagonist as he ruthlessly crushes the androids and is also kind of emotionally distant and overstrict towards his daughter)
>protag falls in love with some boy
>(tweest) boy is actually an android, maybe a spy or something
>cue lazy Romeo and Juliet allusions
>protag joins the android cause
>(I'm getting bored now so I'm going to rush through to the end)
>protag was actually an android all along
>her father had her built to replace his real daughter who tragically died somehow
>her father sees the error of his ways and sacrifices himself to somehow save the androids
>protag and her bf live happily ever after in android utopia

>you will never make little girls all over the west flood their panties with edward cullen type bullshit because all you want to write is grimdark mature for mature matures such as myself.

>>4909638

God, that sounds horrible.


It's a sure success.

>late 20s rapidly approaching the wall, rides the carousel every weekend. explicit sex scenes are a given. Beta orbiters everywhere
>plentiful duckface pictures
>suddenly VAMPIRES
>throw in some more bullshit


easy money, baby.

Okay: YA trilogy: First book, "Mudlark"

A girl lives in a backwater community on the edge of a hill farming community in the remains of a fractionated world where genetic engineering, rampant palgues and war have divided a lot of the civilized world into mutually suspicious enclaves, roughtly the size of counties. She is a scavenger in the enormous landfills and deserted cities. she and several of her friends are very successful ranging the deserted world because they are immune to most of the plagues of the genetic engineers because they live in close proximity to a hidden enclave of rogue "tailors" genetic engineers trying to put the ecosystem back together, and releasing gene tailored bees to innoculate children against diease, making trees grow food crops (pineapples on pine trees). A femal agent from one of the civilized enclaves kidnaps her and wants to use her to find the secret of the tailors who have figured out the secret of immortality and eternal youth. she is used to infiltrate the tailors colony but when the enclaves track her and raid it, the Master Tailor infects her with a genetic package he has been tryiong to perfect for three hundred years and puts her in the care of the boy tailor she has met during the infiltration, and they flee by secret ways into Hinterland, where the gentic accidents and warbeasts have undisputed sway. end of book one.

Second Book: Suffer a Witch: the gene package she has been infected with starts to alter her as she hits puberty and she discovers that she is a Vector: able to heal diseases, grant powers and even restore youth with her body fluids, such as tears blood, spit etc. also, her brain is changing and shes getting stronger and faster. shes developing a bond with an animal she has picked up as a pet and a different bond with the young Tailor. she is pursued as a withc by the Hinterlanders, who want to either kill her or control her power, and also by squads from the Enclave. she escapes Hinterland useing her powers but ther boyfriend is captured, and she joins the underground in one of the Enclaves.

Third Book: Crow on the Cradle: She learns the secret of the enclave, and and her ragtag band liberate the proles, stage a coup on the glomerates, and release the Tailor Plague into the world in the form of a religious order, that can really heal. she has to defeat her first boyfriend who has been brainwashed and is with a new Enclave girl, and she has a new boyfriend who's child she is carrying. at the end of the book she gives birth to the first perfect child.

>>4907494
>1. Female protagonist. Girls apparently buy more YA books. However, there need to be attractive male characters in her orbit.

Not necessarily. Maybe follow the 'Looking for Alaska' and 'Perks of Being a Wallflower' narrative instead. Insecure, awkward, loner boy. But make his love-interest a strong independent cool female.

>2. Immersive fictional universe where teens are sorted into categories according to demographic, appearance and/or character traits. Think Hogwarts houses -- although the districts from Hunger Games or the factions from Divergent fit this, too. Essentially, the book needs to be conducive to a clicky self-indulgent buzzfeed quiz: "Which ____ are you?"

You could set it in a school setting. Jocks v. nerds v. druggies v. weirdos, etc.

>>4907609
>Harry Potter with female main character and edgy satanic wicca

I'm fucking writing this and becoming a millionaire.

>>4907494
Write a story about a grocery store called USA FATTIES. Then make it all about how commercialism ruined quality foods and literature by RAPING the substance of the work and MOLESTING the character behind the work, leave the work to a WITHERED HEAP of its former self.

>>4907494
Here's an idea OP.
Remember how John Green tries to have his shit have some depth to it? i said try

Do the same thing.
Since you believe that teenagers shouldn't be reading YA shit, try to create a YA novel that's not shit under your own terms.

Now you can bypass cynicism because you have a goal for your tripe other than winning money.
teens can be interesting characters if you look at the right angle, unlike john green

>>4909501
This. Literally pick a Shakespeare play at random, , and make it contemporary.

Oh, and be sure to put in a female pen name.

1. Pretty, waifish girl who totally doesn't conform to female gender stereotyypes xoxo

2. World is ruled by fashionista demons, who judge people according to looks and what they wear. People must dress according to their niche. If they do not dress fashionably or score high points, they are executed.

3. Heroine is one of few who can activate clothes so they give her special powers. If she wears a fisherman coat, she can fish and summon whales. If she has a princess outfit, she can make men her loyal subjects xoxo. Obviously she goes for the sassy archer outfit.

4. Post apocalyptic fashion heaven with magical costumes and fashionista demonz xox

Lemme see why I can pull out of my ass making this up completely on the fly bc I'm bored at work.

A girl protagonist named uhhhhhhh....Jaeden is diagnosed with autophonic hypertelepathic wasting syndrome, which uhhmmmmm c'mon I'm losing it means she can read minds, tell the future, and see how you're going to die at the cost of her physical health. After being Dx'd with AHTW Syndrome she's spirited away from goddammit I need a name Academemia Aurelian where she was training to be a....cartographer? (Wtf is a cartographer??). She's taken from friends and family and whisked off to the sides of powerful political bodies who seek her aid in war. Insert fucked up sexual things that happen and some crazy escape into an even more hopeless situation. BUT TWIST! There is a cure! Some scientist in Academia Delphinidae (came up with that just now) has a treatment. Now Jaeden just has to get there. INSERT PLOT PROBLEM! Her last time using the disease made her go blind (lol), so she has to use her other ESP means and the help of some insert boy love interest from the slums here to guide her. Somehow pull the whole thing off and save the world...I don't know how the world was in danger.

There OP, run with that. I'm going back to work.

>>4910104
I wonder what a YA version of Coriolanus would be like?

>>4907755
oh, you mean you are just a 9-to-5 slave wage? ok then

>>4914373
A surefire success!

>>4914569
Doing this. Now!

Captcha nailed it "Boohno brilliant"

>>4907628
>>4907619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmPOuBZh1GY

OP's audience

>>4915904
Kill La Kill wasn't myinspiration. It's not like I stole the idea or anything...

[My excuse when the book wins YA book of da year]

Bookseller here. I see this kind of shits everyday, with all the plots/settings you can imagine fitting your requirements.

I guess you can make money if your connections are this good but tons of people already had your idea the last fifteen years.

>>4907494

It's a dystopia where radios are implanted in your head at birth you take a survey as a pre-teen to determine what genre of music you belong to, and then are sorted into groups based on that genre and only allowed to listen to that genre, broadcasted from the state radio stations. Propaganda in each, uh, Genre State (whatever clever names can come later) is used to make the genres hate each other. No one performs music anymore or sings, music is all electronically produced by the radio stations to mimic instruments.

The most terrible and oppressive genre is the one that wins every year is the popstar/boy band genre. The other genres are victimized and fight among each other but just mislead and bullied by the big old mean Boy Band genre.

Enter Mue Seeknote, a girl born of an illegal union between two genres. She had the radio implanted in her head but it doesn't work correctly for unknown reasons (later it's revealed she was chosen somehow or other idgaf but that's important). She sings and plays music in secret, an unforgivable offense. She also does all sorts of tomboy shit and dresses different from everyone else and is ostrasized for it etc, etc.

Fast forward to one day she's exploring in the Staticlands and finds an abandoned record shop. She goes in and finds records and instruments and starts her quest to bring REAL MUSIC to the world.

There's more I could think of but I'm sick of this already go ahead and take it

>>4917308
So, i've been out of school for quite some time and, even then, i went to a privileged prep where cliques were only differentiated by people, not necessarily style or music or what have you.

My question, are them niggas serious? is this real and not some parody of....something.