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>Bonaparte=Stalin

you lost me

>>4676716
Bonaparte created a massive cult of personality, re instituted slavery, and (as you can find several examples of in the memoirs of his secretary) executed those who published works criticizing him. He was considered a traitor of the left by some, notably Beethoven.

>>4676722

You could argue that in the long run Napoleon was beneficial for Europe, and despite his shortcomings (I know he wasn't that short but I couldn't resist) revolutionized government and law, and the Congress of Vienna which was in direct response to Napoleon brought relative peace to Europe for more than half a century.

Can you argue the same for Stalin? (I realize there's an extent to which you can take the analogy, but I'm curious)

>>4676722
Beethoven was a raving bipolar fuck whose opinions shouldnt be considered interesting no matter the greatness of his music

>>4676729
Yes, you damn well could. Stalin was instrumental in concluding WWII on the continent, and the arrangement signed after that in conjunction with MAD ensured quite a period of peace in Europe.

>>4676741
Alright, I'll give it to you, if only for WWII

>>4676737
People will dismiss RuPaul the same 200 years from now. *tsk*

It's FOUCHÉ

>>4676749
Cheers

>>4676765
my bad

>>4676711

mfw I read Eric Voegelin?

no shit OP the whole outcome of the russian revolution could have been predicted from the french revolution i don't see why all these marxist and anarchist pricks act all surprised about the way it turned out

So we're all agreed that the French are all fanatical, insane, tyrannical, degenerate, subhuman, animalistic couriers of the apocalypse, right? The rise of French philosophy to prominence in the late 20th century signals the end being nigh, if you ask me. We must mend our ways and commit ourselves entirely to a Germanic ideal or become nothing but radioactive ash. By Germanic I mean nothing concerning ethnicity, but rather concerning a certain spirit and approach to things. Whether you're white or black or brown or green, you can be a German, strong, determined, and above all, rational, or you can be a Frenchman, cowardly, deviant, fanatical, and above all, irrational. It is your choice.

>>4676812
>Critique of Pure Reason sets off 200 years of Germany's greatest minds
>rational

if you want rational shit try the brits or some shit

But France eventually emerged as one of the most worker-friendly nations in the world, and one with one of the highest standard of living.

If anything, the French are an example of how a revolution- a real, true revolution- can go right. You need to spill some blood, and you'll probably have to do it multiple times over many decades, but you can eventually wind up much better off than you started.

>>4676777
Is France not now a republic? Can we now expect communism to replace it?
Nothing is entirely cyclical. Rife for analogies, but it's just an illusion.

>>4676823
>Napoleon takes over
>Guy thinks it's a successful revolution

yeah, aiight

>>4676823
Yeah, well post-WWII The Communist Party was the most powerful party in France; they only lost power when the U.S. stipulated it as a requisite for the Marshall Plan.

>>4676826
France is on track to become an Islamic republic in another century or two so in the long run who gives a shit.

>>4676823
>Fouché, claiming that "Terror, salutary terror, is now the order of the day here....We are causing much impure blood to flow, but it is our duty to do so, it is for humanity's sake," called for the execution of 1,905 citizens.[7]

>From late 1793 into spring, 1794, every day "batch after batch of bankers, scholars, aristocrats, priests, nuns, and wealthy merchants and their wives, mistresses, and children" were taken from the city jails to Brotteaux field, tied to stakes, and dispatched by firing squads or mobs.[7]

Really, faggot?

>>4676711
I don't think you know what "=" stands for.

>>4676839
When you piss on the poor you say "deal with it", when the poor rise up and execute you I say "deal with it".

>>4676822

When I talk about Germans I mean the Germanic peoples more broadly - this would most certainly include the Anglo-Saxons, and indeed I would consider them the cream of the crop. Furthermore, I would say that 19th and 20th century German (by that I mean the nation actually called Germany) philosophy has been so degenerate only because of French influence. Besides which, many of the great early Analytic philosophers were Germans and Austrians, so I think the point is somewhat moot. But the British and their descendants are clearly the legitimate heirs of the world.

>>4676842
really? what does it "stand for" you fucking autistic piece of human scum

>>4676845
>Fouché
>poor

>>4676823
holy shit do you not know that France went through several more revolutions during the 19th century. not to mention all the bullshit before, during and after the invasions of the 20th century

the current state of France has MUCH more to do with the student protests of the 60s+ than anything prior

>>4676829
I meant what happened eventually. France went through several revolutions, and they wound up in a good spot. The common French people have enormous power in France.

>>4676839
Were they part of the upper classes squeezing the peasants dry? Then maybe they deserved to be dragged screaming from their beds and hauled to the national razor.

>>4676832
La plaisanterie, she wears thin.

>>4676847
>german thought
>influenced by france
>brits not influenced by france even though france conquered them for so long english vocabulary is half french

cool story you British piece of trash

>>4676845
>implying the poor wasn't executing the poor too

>>4676855

The excellence of the British people is further attested by their ability to remain upright even after their sacking at the hands of the vicious Normans. The Prussians and High Germans and so on couldn't withstand even a little intermingling the French, however.

>>4676861
The English are truly the best of us. As good as the French have ever been, the English have always been better. It's worth pointing out that the English have also been fairly decent to workers over the years, and they have their own version of social welfare. They just did it in an English way.

And, you know, they killed a bunch of brown people. But so did everyone else in Europe.

>>4676854
just because muslims hate jews doesn't make them progressive

>>4676865
the brits always sucked up to the jews, london was the rothschild's home base

>>4676865

Amen to that. Although it takes literally zero effort to be better in every regard than the French. The French are truly lacking something that makes them human.

>>4676871
And wasn't that smart of them? Are we to fault them for doing what obviously worked out to their benefit?

>>4676875
damn dude you sound mad racist, here in america it's only really polite to make fun of poor white people in the south, they're always fair game, but haiting a whole country, thats fuckin rude

>>4676877

It's okay though because I'm Jewish. No-one can touch me once I remind them of the 27 quintillion, especially since I never say anything against brown people, since I've got nothing against most breeds of brown people. Except for the Japanese. Fuck those guys, too. They're almost as bad as the French, now that their cute little Empire's fallen apart.

>>4676881
aww man wtf being a jew is cheating, basically you get to be white AND get affirmative action, you guys sure milked the holocaust for all it's worth, probably the best thing that ever happened to you, you should thank hitler

>>4676852
Those were more extreme riots than protests.

>>4676832
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>>4676881

>>>/pol/

/lit/ is for readers. If reading isn't something you do frequently, deeply and with enjoyment, then you shouldn't be here.

>>4676886

Except I don't actually receive affirmative action, since it's not like I strut around acting like I'm hot shit because I'm a Jew (although that is the truth), and of course it's way less externally obvious than being black or something, particularly since I've got a small (but, admittedly, somewhat Jewish-looking) nose, and none of the other obviously Jewish features. It basically serves most importantly as protection against being called racist or something when I bash the French

>>4676893

But I do read frequently, and I enjoy it very much. It's just that I only read good things, and that means I don't read anything written by the French.

>captcha: umphant yidshol

>>4676901
>But I do read frequently, and I enjoy it very much. It's just that I only read good things, and that means I don't read anything written by the French.
You don't read shit except Tony Abbott press releases, gtfo fgt

>>4676905

I didn't even know who Tony Abbott was, though I think I had heard the name. thx 4 the info.

I carefully scrutinize its objective literary value by asking on /lit/

it's like poetry...

>>4676930
>asking /lit/ anything

that's where you fucked up

>Jacobins
Bolsheviks
>Antonelle
Trotsky

My nose has been in a river for a while
Do you think Rousseau has anything to do with that?

>Citizen
Comrade

>>4676970
2obscure4me i have no idea wtf this is about

>>4676970
It's just allergies. You need to get powerful, non-drowsy, relief from your worst allergy symptoms. Claritin is the only brand proven to keep you as alert and focused as someone without allergies.

>>4676998
>>4677009
It appears that some people have not read les miserables in french

It's a little ditty by gavroche

Je suis tombé par terre,
C'est la faute à Voltaire
Le nez dans le ruisseau,
C'est la faute à Rousseau
Je ne suis pas notaire,
C'est la faute à Voltaire
Je suis petit oiseau,
C'est la faute à Rousseau

>>4677016
My French is abysmal at best, what is tombre and oiseau?

>>4677021
>doesn't know oiseau

don't you listen to mr. oizo?

>>4677024
Don't know who that is. All the French I know is random words I've picked up over the years plus a handful of lectures.

Looked it up, oiseau is bird.

>Conspiracy of Equals
Chernoe Znamia

"The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, one that will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last."

>>4677021
My shitty translation

I fell down
It's Voltaire's fault
My nose is in the river
It's Rousseau's fault
I'm not a lawyer
It's Voltaire's fault
I'm a little bird
It's Voltaire's fault

HISTORICAL CONTEXT
Around this time the french government was blaming all their problems on french philosophers, notably Voltaire and Rousseau, even when it had nothing to do with them (flour shortages etc.) Because of this, the general population started using it, some seriously, some ironically. This song is making fun of the government and the people who used it seriously.
>tl;dr this was making fun of people who used the french equivalent of thanks obama

>>4677042
Thank you to Dr. Ursu for teaching me all this useless shit

Now I can retell it to a bunch of random strangers on the internet

>>4677057
>Not liking fun historical factoids
Seriously, dude?

>>4677059
historical factoids are the spice of life

>>4677059
Sure I like them but in moderation
I sat through an entire semester of historical factoids from les miserables
And ones like these are the interesting ones

Did you know that the town that Valjean becomes mayor of at the beginning of the book was only placed on the map because a large factory in the town made jade necklaces. This is actually the only reason you've heard of jade.

The french factory made it extremely cheap to refine jade which caught the attention of rich people worldwide. This caused a big rush for jade in the 1850s.

Jade is associated with jade today because it was the chinese that made jade even cheaper to refine

In the book, Valjean is the one who created the french jade refining process

>capcha: personages emakeys

>>4677080
I thought Valjean made some kind of improvement on metal clasps or something like that? It's been a while since I read it though.

>>4676711
>Fouchet
So Beria slept with Stalins with and conspired against him?

>>4677083
>Khrushchev wrote in his memoirs that Beria had, immediately after the stroke, gone about "spewing hatred against [Stalin] and mocking him." When Stalin showed signs of consciousness, Beria dropped to his knees and kissed his hand. When Stalin fell unconscious again, Beria immediately stood and spat.[16]

>>4677087
>After Stalin's stroke, Beria claimed to have killed him. This aborted a final purge of Old Bolsheviks Anastas Mikoyan and Vyacheslav Molotov for which Stalin had been laying the groundwork in the year prior to his death. Shortly after Stalin's death, Beria announced triumphantly to the Politburo that he had "done [Stalin] in" and "saved [us] all"

>>4677082
How long was your version?
The original had a whole chapter the jade refining process

It also had four chapters on the bishop at the beginning who you never see again

There was a lot of pointless bullshit in the original

>>4677092
Unabridged. I remember it talking about the factory process and all that. Don't remember it specifically being about jade though. Did Valjean at least redesign something which started his initial burgeoning business? I dunno, it wasn't the most important part of the book so I skimmed the factory life.

And that priest was baller as fuck and I loved every page he was in.

>>4677095
Don't blame you for skimming, it was boring as fuck

Yeah the bishop was cool but I really wish he made another appearance. My french teacher had a reason why he never shows up again but I forgot it. I think he symbolized God and because god was with Valjean the bishop didn't need to be

>>4677099

That and the Bishop is quite aged when he is visited by Valjean, in his eighties I believe. His vision is slowly failing and he eventually becomes housebound, to be cared for by his sister. Shortly after Valjean becomes mayor he read an article declaring the death of the Bishop, the following day Valjean is seen in mourning, one of the few times he changes his otherwise dull and inconspicuous appearance.