/lit/ - Literature

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>>4406441

Finest thread on /lit/ right now.

>>4406460
>open minded
lol

>>4406441
murder is a social construct.

it's like: ''why did you murder this dude, hombre?''
and you're like: ''but what is murder? who's to say what's murder? it's all subjective, just opinions floating across eternity, like plankton in a dark sea.''
and the cop's like: ''wow. you're free dude.''

you know what i'm saying?

even tho op can't be serious
something -similar- happens to me.
i didnt "define" my thoughts about this topic yet,
but just consider the fact that some years ago,
to murder wasn't as much as a big deal as it is today

>>4406441
thats cool dude, now just think some more and you will realize that there is.

>tfw OP would cry and beg hopelessly if someone attempted to kill his mother in front of him

>>4406510
That doesnt contradict OP

>>4406441
but there is.

Since technically nothing can be proven right now we have to devote all our resources to science to figure out the theory of everything and find the foundation of existence. As insignificant one murder, or 10, or a genocide is it is counterproductive to finding out what the fuck things are.

How can murders be real if our lifes aren't real?

>>4406441
It is just a social construct, yes, but that doesn't mean you ought to be driven towards it. You ought to pursue the cultivation of your selves, enjoying and affirming life. I really can't think of anything more petty than going off to murder someone. That is, if it is just for some sort of erotic pleasure or disturbing fantasy. If it's to protect something dear of if that person is interfering with your ability to subsist and love (i.e. torture, rape, violence), I wouldn't necessarily be against it. But wanting to just go off to kill someone, as much as it is a deep violation of social principles, exemplifies an even greater dependence upon society, a sort of pathetic ressentiment toward its structure that can only be vaguely mitigated by attempting to negate another person's life.

Not OP, but though I can see what's wrong with murder and all but I can't think of it as the great evil everyone thinks it is. I'd want murderers to be locked upas not to hurt me because I like living, and I wouldn't want people I know to die because I'd miss the company, but I can't bring myself to care too much about people outside my sphere.

I never understood how people can get sad and all that at tragedies thousands of miles away and growing up I was sure it was all for show, until I saw people actually crying over something like that. Maybe I'm just edgy, I don't know.

>>4406526
>You ought to pursue the cultivation of your selves, enjoying and affirming life
Why? What if I enjoy through killing, murdering?

>>4406527
>I never understood how people can get sad

It's called empathy, crawling into someone else skin and viewing things from that persons perspective. The normal well-adjusted human hears something bad, then imagines that the bad thing would happen to him and realized that he wouldn't want to so he feels bad for the person that it happened too.

>>4406533
Am I missing something from me if I dont feel that

I often wonder why people even help other people, like they have helped me. It just feels so weird.

>>4406518
>finding the foundation of existence
>science

Yeah, I'm fine with science, but suggesting that understanding the origins of our universe or the fundamental particles that give rise to space and time will help us really get to know "what the fuck things are" is really naive. These discoveries are in no way applicable to everyday perception and it would be crude and myopic to suggest they are.

>>4406527
you develop empathy when you turn 15 faggot

I agree there's nothing with murder as long as I'm not the victim

>>4406534
>>4406536
i never felt it either

>>4406534 here.

>>4406536
22 and I cant say I have ever felt empathy in my life.

Do I need help?

>>4406533
I know about empathy, and I do feel it when something bad happens to someone close, but whenever something like that happens to someone unknown my only thought is "well, that doesn't affect me at all, let's move on".

Sadness is a social construct

>>4406531
Read the rest of the post. Why do your enjoy via killing and murdering? What is the source of that pleasure?

The whole concept of enjoying killing and murdering as we know it today is significantly different from the sort of ecstasy animals get when devouring their prey. To suggest that the elaborate social structures we've developed today don't play a role in one's appreciation of a homocide is silly.

>>4406534
You are something that people call a ice-cold muttafucka. You don't need no feelings at all because your supreme intellect puts you above the emotions of the plebeians. You have exactly what it needs to become the world leader because you don't let yourself be distracted by silly emotions

You Should Just Stop Posting, The /Lit/izen Consciousness Must Raise Before You Speak Your Juvenile Philosophy

>>4406546
And? When you're sad do you just sit there saying "Sadness is a social construct" over and over to yourself? It's not that it isn't true, but it's not like the mere discovery of this makes you automatically exempt from its authority. You may be even more susceptible.

>>4406548
But for real I am pretending my feels all the time so I appear normal, I think I need to get my head checked. I think its not healthy.

>>4406515
except that it does: in those circumstances I described above--and if the murderer does indeed kill his mother--his insensitive beliefs devout of any empathy about the non-wrongness of just witnessed would literally do a 180 degree turnaround and upon a thorough suffering and introspection he'd come to a conclusion that killing innocent people yield subsequent suffering to other people and that it is pretty fucking wrong in that respect

he'd sob and weep like a little bitch.

>>4406553
No, because I'm never sad

>>4406535
>thinks everyday life is separate from anything being able to exist at all
everything is tied together, just because we can't understand it yet doesnt mean it doesnt have a provable physical science behind it.

this is in no way myopic, it's the big picture. If you think murder is a good way to solve everyday problems you should admit yourself to a mental hospital.

>>4406556
Sounds like a vague and ephemeral life.

>>4406559
It's quite a happy and satisfying life though

>>4406547
>Why?
Go ask from people in death row.

>The whole concept of enjoying killing and murdering as we know it today is significantly different from the sort of ecstasy animals get when devouring their prey

How can you generalize entire population of killers and murderers in your post like that?

> To suggest that the elaborate social structures we've developed today don't play a role in one's appreciation of a homocide is silly.

I do agree, that they play their role. We would probably have lot more murdering happening if we didnt have authorities.

>>4406561
Do you at least feel moments of intense pain? I dislike suffering, but I do think pain and sadness are essential aspects of experience. They're capable of greatness just as joy is.

The Stoics were all for the death penalty since they though that every soul, upon death, would be free and able to contemplate truth and be happy. No eternal punishment or anything of the sort.
So, by killing a criminal, a soul that had grown confused and was lashing out, they were doing them a favour.

I kind of agree with them.

>>4406566
Emotional pain? No

>>4406554
You feel detached from those around you, they are too irrational for you but to not be alienated from others to mimic what they call ''emotions''. You are free from those animalistic instincts that make people care for others or show empathy. You are a calculating mastermind, always thinking rationally and from your own point of view, never letting your ''soul'' come into the way of your brain.

You don't need to check your head, you are just different than all the others. They just don't understand you and they never will but they will look up to you because you know things that they will never even think about. If you put your powers to good use you can be a shining light to humanity.

>>4406563
>How can you generalize entire population of killers and murderers in your post like that?

Probably because all of these killers and murderers grew up in societies? Had families, and if not that, some sort of authority in their life? Unless we're talking about people raised by fucking wolves.
>I do agree, that they play their role. We would probably have lot more murdering happening if we didnt have authorities.
Your response has literally nothing to do with my original post (i.e. the note on murder being petty).

>>4406573
>>>/b/

>>4406570
Sorry to hear that dude.

>>4406573
>dat pic
>oh good fucking lord

>>4406574
>Your response has literally nothing to do with my original post (i.e. the note on murder being petty).
But that is like, your opinion man.

>>4406574
>Probably because all of these killers and murderers grew up in societies?
And each of them had the same family and grew up in same spot at the culture and time?

You cant generalize that man.

>>4406578
It's ok, being happy 100% is not a much of a drag

>>4406582
Now we are always happy

TFW not a sociopath or a psychopath just really hedonistic

>>4406441

I'm not going to debate you on the morality of murder, I'm sure you have some reasons for your thought on it, even if it has been misguided by your interpretation of certain things, of which I have no idea of because your post is vague, owing to the nature of the site perhaps, but I will just say that the smug image and self-lauding "deep and open minded" is something you should remove from your thoughts before you can come to any sort of 'gnosis', let's say, regarding this subject.

>>4406581
I have absolutely no idea what you're arguing anymore.

I said that the way a murderer perceives and enjoys murder is going to be contingent on the sort of moral and social principles that were cultivated in him (whether consciously or unconsciously) during his lifetime. It has nothing to do with him having the same family or not. You are inextricably attached to society and the values you create given your experience of it. I don't know why you keep arguing that, as if murderers are these freefloating solipsistic orbs that only emerge from their untainted spirit realm every once and a while to murder someone.

>>4406590
>tfw possibly sociopath but have never bothered to go to shrink.

I'd love to see how you faggots think about murder when real life murder catches up with you

>>4406600
>implying i wouldn't keep my cool
>implying my katana set gets dull
sharpen my blade as much as my mind, everyday

Here comes another wave of fags who like to play psychopath because Dexter is cool.

>>4406630
but I actually have problems experiencing things like empathy and emotions.

I dont know the last time I felt feelings.

>>4406593
>subconscious cultivation
ok bro

>>4406593
I found it offensive you generalize a human type just off the bat with one sentence. That is all.

All gays are fags, right?

Like many in this thread I also feel no empathy. Luckily I am smart enough to see this as a strength though. I'm essentially like Ryan Gosling in Drive, to others I seem distanced and unattached, but I could snap and smash a face in at any second. On the other hand I am like Dexter, I have become incredibly good at fooling humans into thinking I am one of them. On the surface you may think society has rejected me and I am just a loser, but if you are intelligent enough you may catch that it is I who has rejected society. If you see me on the street give me a nod and keep moving. I'm live explosives. I'm Russian roulette. I'm the one who knocks...

There is no difference between peeling an apple and cutting the throat of a 5 year old. We give meaning to everything while nothing is meaningful.

>>4406635
That's called being an aspie. There are lots of people like you.

>>4406660
no; I am sure I dont have asbergers.

>>4406664
You seem to subscribe to the symptoms

>>4406655

>Ryan Gosling in Drive
>Dexter
>Choosing fictional characters as your source of inspiration

Haha kids this days

>>4406655
Thats a dodecahedron of edges

Of course, you spend your day in front of the computer.

Murder looks like something from a movie, not a traumatic event. People look like a collection of "likes" and "opinions", deprived of bodies, of emotions. Talking about life or society equals talking about a simulator videogame.

You should not ask yourself when was the last time you cried. You should ask when was the last time you had to aid someone who was in tears. Or when was the last time you had to deal with the police or a stressful situation filled with tension. Or when was the last time you travelled with someone and had to live with that person all day long. When was the last time you laughed out loud along with someone else.

Moments that escape theory.

You underestimate how much easy it is for you to become a drooling apathetic blurb of nothing if all you have is an armchair and a computer/tv. That has nothing to do with being open minded or deep or trying to speak of these theme through social and psychologic definitions, as if 4chan or wikipedia could do something for you here. As if you could fit your experience (and all that is lacking) into a diagnosis, an universal or whatever.

Seriously, you're not really living. You are accostumed to being accostumed. And used to doing nothing. I could say "go outside" or "go see a therapist", but that wouldn't change your attitude either way, even if you agreed with me. You'd resume scrolling and F5.

>>4406664
It's aspergers

>>4406655
Edgylicious, have you ever told anyone how you feel and if so, how did they react?

>>4406667
c'mon guy.
who we callin aspie here.

>>4406675
Why is being tied to a computer bad thing

>>4406655
nice bait i lold

>>4406680

What the fuck you saying fag? Choose a real man as your role model.

>>4406655
I'd wager that you have false beliefs about yourself. You merely haven't experienced any exceptional and empathy inducing moment in your life. Your empathy would most likely kick in on seeing and hearing a golden retriever puppy getting burned to death.

>>4406667
>>4406671
>>4406679
>kid
>edgy
>edgy
I'm glad I'm not a sheep that can only make social commentary through thought killing cliches (memes). Maybe if you guys learn to read you can at least feign an original thought.

>>4406675

>you're not really living

Subjective Facts. Fuck off nigger.

>>4406689

>original thought
>taken from tv characters

youre naive and weak

>>4406689
How old are you? Be frank

>>4406689
Recurring stuff is funny, not everyone is here 24/7 and tired of it

>>4406685
You heard me you little weakling. I've had it up to here *erection* with your coy little games. C'mere your skin, the largest organ in the human body (but not bigger than mine), will be my snuggie

>>4406693
27. Learned to read around 4 or 5 (can't remember exactly).

>>4406703
Sorry I meant 17*

>>4406703
Isnt 4 or 5 bit late bloomer for reading

i learned it when i was 3

>>4406683
Because people are constantly complaining >tfw, etc. They are the ones showing their shit.

>>4406691
I've got worked up. It's my share of a normative subjective statement.

>>4406703
>Learned to read around 4 or 5

Go on.

>>4406708
Isn't 3 bit late bloomer for reading?

i learned it when i was 1

>>4406708
No, he's awesome is what's supposed to be the take away there. Especially with his original thought of criticizing others for being unoriginal.

>>4406707
Mimicking other posts you see on an anime imageboard isn't conducive to coming up with your first original thoughts.

>>4406708
Your definition of "reading" is far different than mine, both at early and developed levels.

Looks like OP is a sufferer of Raskolnikov Syndrome. Accept God, OP, and this phase will come to an end.

>>4406712
My mother shat me out of her vagina and my umbilical cord was attached to Finnegans Wake as my placenta. Y'all bitches.

>>4406725
>he didn't read before existence!!!

>>4406725

Is this the video of your birth?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNTNchHC27s

>>4406441
That's good. At least you'll be alright if someone murders you. Which they should.

>>4407174
>Which they should.
wat

>>4406441
I'm glad you're not a biggot, my friend.

>>4406645
>implying your moral values are all conscious

good one

>>4406652
you never really understood anything I was talking about, did you?

>>4406441
edgy/10

let's see how you'll change your mind in just 400 pages, damn Raskol'nikov

>>4406441
>>4406451
>>4406460
>>4406474

Some people should die.
That's just unconscious knowledge.

>>4406441
>Mfw

I've never heard anyone complain about being murdered afterwards.
Can't be that bad

>>4409152
>has never seen macbeth
you must be awful

>>4409152

I've never heard anyone complain about not being murdered, either.

Since the default state is not-murdered, we should err on the side of caution.

>>4406495
we also didn't have plumbing, such long life spans, the internet, or the iphone 5s. twas a silly time.