/lit/ - Literature

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>>2727114
>muh middle class problems
>different looking people are scary

>>2727126
that angst

>>2727114
I'm pretentious, arrogant and anti-cultural, pro-white leaning.

Try again.

Because we're educated OP

>>2727114
>tfw I walk down a street away from a black guy and get mugged by a white guy.

I need to make amends for being white. That's why.

>>2727114
Because white people are the devil.

Where is this, OP? I doubt I'd even see 10 different dark skinned folk a year in my home county.

>>2727114
>that picture

Why do you feel that white people are entitled to Ireland? Your privilege is disgusting.

>>2727148
Yeah I used to think like that too, at least that's how I was brought up. But then I opened my eyes

I may be pretentious and arrogant, but I'm pretty sure I prefer western culture over all others. I'm pretty sure the rest of /lit/ does too, considering it's all we talk about.

>>2727155
>>2727146
Them unnuanced arguments

>>2727156

That experiment's results are so funny. Sometimes when I'm sad I just think of that study, and just how hilarious and awkward its results are, and I just giggle to myself.

>>2727156
Assuming that blacks are on average less intelligent than whites, what do you think that means? What is the application of this? I don't get it.

>>2727164
...but wouldn't WE the white people be the subspecies?

After all, the first 'man' was black.

>Report submitted!
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I want /po/ to leave

>>2727181
It means black people are disadvantaged by poor education and we need state policies to change this.

>Ireland
>site of immigration
What the fuck? It's poor as fuck and has terrible employment

>>2727181
The application of this is to show that blacks are not poor or "oppressed" by white privilege, but rather that they're not able to excel as much as europeans and north east asians. Thus tearing the paradigm of egalitarianism apart

>>2727184
youre probably right

>>2727181

There isn't any. It's just fun to know, and a lot of people don't want to accept it because it conflicts with a lot of moral tenants of our society, so it's also fun to state.

>>2727189

Did you read the image? It says black people were adopted under white homes and given white area educations and still had the same results.

Higher Education Complex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2fxUvbHzoo

>>2727193
No, IQ is correlated to economic success, though not 100% correlated there are of course environmental factors. Stating this fact fills equality fascists with rage

>>2727186

>>2727201

Once again, did you even read the image?

>>2727196

>>2727191
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_Index
We're fucked now, but we had nearly 2 decades of continuous growth before our current recession.

>>2727216

Hey, at least you guys have all those cool authors.

>mfw my best friend is poor, Black, female and is objectively more intelligent than anyone who has ever posted on /pol/, including op
>mfw /pol/, despite having today's access to free information, will never be smarter than Frederick Douglass
>mfw small-penis complexes errywhere
>mfw no mod

>>2727226
oh look, it's that angsty dark and edgy teen again

>>2727226
>mfw making claims without any evidence of their truth whatsoever.

>>2727226

That's a hauntingly well thought out argument in response to this empirical study.

>>2727236
>>2727239
egalitarians in a nutshell

>>2727233

>angsty
>dark and edgy
>teen
>dat projection
>reported

>>2727241
so he was right?

>>2727236
>>2727239
>>2727233

>confirmed for /pol/ or having never been at /pol/

My dead dog is smarter than everyone that posts there, and that's not a joke.

This is not /lit/. Shitty samefag trolling is shitty.

>>2727241

Why would you report something that isn't against the rules? Also it's against the rules to say you've reported something.

I don't get how racists can simultaneously claim that whites are genetically superior products of evolution and that whites are being out-bred by the so-called lesser races. The only criterion for evolutionary fitness is the ability to increase your genetic profile. How do you reconcile those two mutually exclusive beliefs, OP?

>>2727248
You have no evidence of that. It wasn't the same person, but does that actually make a difference? Also, me pointing out your idiotic assumptions is not the same as trolling.

>>2727251

>not against the rules
>thinks this is a literature discussion

Go fuck back to /new/

>>2727248

Dude, I mean... it's an empirical study.

>>2727253
How can you not know this? Do you know what economic development and feminism implies? As opposed to how it was 100 years ago

>>2727251
Reported.

>>2727257

you're breaking that rule just as much as him

while also breaking another rule

what is wrong with you

>>2727261
>blames feminism and the economy for his inability to find a job or get laid

>meanwhile the rest of the world sacks up and lives their lives

>white males

>>2727261
Humor me with a more detailed explanation than vague references to implications.

There's a reason racists get laughed out of academic circles

>>2727272
And what would that be? Nice vague allusion dipshit.

>>2727253
I never meant to say that whites are genetically superior products of evolution, that's you straw-manning.

>>2727272

Consecutive-get tells the obvious truth.

>tfw no mod

>>2727277
If they aren't genetically superior, then on what basis are they superior? Something learned. That means everyone is fundamentally equal, and there is no sense on claiming any racial superiority at all.

>>2727253

OP never said any of that though.

What are you guys doing and why.

>>2727275
Racism is stupid, that's why

It is based on blind nationalism and ignorance, and attributed to the uneducated

Race doesn't matter

>>2727290
The jews have taught you well

Yes, let's all live happy ideal globalist lives. Let's make the world flat.

>>2727286
Racists say that. You can't be a racist without a belief that your race is superior. If OP doesn't believe that his race is genetically superior, then he has no basis for his racist beliefs, and he's just a hate filled idiot or a troll.

>>2727293
If you want to talk about how 'races' are incompatible or that you don't like other races, at least acknowledge that it is their culture not their race that you find so abhorrent

Being scared of other cultures is just pathetic anyway

>>2727290
Racism is stupid because racists are stupid. Please learn how to think. I'm not even racist, I'm just shocked that someone this silly can use the internet.

>>2727302
Ask yourself this, dummy: Where does culture come from?

>>2727307
Responses to the environment in which societies inhabit

Marx to Sigfrid Meyer and August Vogt
In New York

Source: Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels Selected correspondence Progress Publishers, 1975, pp. 220-224;
Written: 9 April 1870;
Transcribed: Rick Kuhn.

London, April 9, 1870

... The day after tomorrow (April 11) I shall send you whatever documents of the International I happen to have on hand. (It is too late to mail them today.) I shall likewise send some more of the Basle [reports].[a]

Among the material sent you will also find several copies of the resolutions of the General Council of November 30 on the Irish amnesty, resolutions which you already know and which were initiated by me; likewise an Irish pamphlet on the treatment of the Fenian convicts.

I had intended to submit further motions on the necessary transformation of the present Union (i.e., enslavement of Ireland into a free and equal federation with Great Britain. For the time being, further progress in this matter, as far as public resolutions go, has been suspended because of my enforced absence from the General Council. No other member of it has sufficient knowledge of Irish affairs and adequate prestige with the English members to be able to replace me in this respect.

However time has not been wasted and I ask you to pay particular attention to the following:

>>2727300
>you can't be a racist without a belief that your race is superior
You're so stupid it hurts. You don't even know what the word means.

>>2727316
That's the way racists validate their fear of other races and cultures, they convince themselves that they're superior

>>2727315

After studying the Irish question for many years I have come to the conclusion that the decisive blow against the English ruling classes (and it will be decisive for the workers’ movement all over the world) cannot be delivered in England but only in Ireland.

On January 1, 1870,[b] the General Council issued a confidential circulare drawn up by me in French (for only the French journals, not the German ones produce important repercussions in England) on the relation of the Irish national struggle to the emancipation of the working class, and therefore on the attitude which the International Association should take towards the Irish question.

I shall give you here only quite briefly the salient points.

>>2727317

Ireland is the bulwark of the English landed aristocracy. The exploitation of that country is not only one of the main sources of their material wealth; it is their greatest moral strength. They, in fact, represent the domination over Ireland. Ireland is therefore the cardinal means by which the English aristocracy maintain their domination in England itself.

If, on the other hand, the English army and police were to be withdrawn from Ireland tomorrow, you would at once have an agrarian revolution in Ireland. But the downfall of the English aristocracy in Ireland implies and has as a necessary consequence its downfall in England. And this would provide the preliminary condition for the proletarian revolution in England. The destruction of the English landed aristocracy in Ireland is an infinitely easier operation than in England herself, because in Ireland the land question has been up to now the exclusive form of the social question because it is a question of existence, of life and death, for the immense majority of the Irish people, and because it is at the same time inseparable from the national question. Quite apart from the fact that the Irish character is more passionate and revolutionary than that of the English.

>>2727320

As for the English bourgeoisie, it has in the first place a common interest with the English aristocracy in turning Ireland into mere pasture land which provides the English market with meat and wool at the cheapest possible prices. It is likewise interested in reducing the Irish population by eviction and forcible emigration, to such a small number that English capital (capital invested in land leased for farming) can function there with “security”. It has the same interest in clearing the estates of Ireland as it had in the clearing of the agricultural districts of England and Scotland. The £6,000-10,000 absentee-landlord and other Irish revenues which at present flow annually to London have also to be taken into account.

But the English bourgeoisie has also much more important interests in the present economy of Ireland. Owing to the constantly increasing concentration of leaseholds, Ireland constantly sends her own surplus to the English labour market, and thus forces down wages and lowers the material and moral position of the English working class.

>>2727318

It doesn't necessitate the belief that one's own race is superior, though. That's not what racism is.

>>2727324

And most important of all! Every industrial and commercial centre in England now possesses a working class divided into two hostile camps, English proletarians and Irish proletarians. The ordinary English worker hates the Irish worker as a competitor who lowers his standard of life. In relation to the Irish worker he regards himself as a member of the ruling nation and consequently he becomes a tool of the English aristocrats and capitalists against Ireland, thus strengthening their domination over himself. He cherishes religious, social, and national prejudices against the Irish worker. His attitude towards him is much the same as that of the “poor whites” to the Negroes in the former slave states of the U.S.A.. The Irishman pays him back with interest in his own money. He sees in the English worker both the accomplice and the stupid tool of the English rulers in Ireland.

This antagonism is artificially kept alive and intensified by the press, the pulpit, the comic papers, in short, by all the means at the disposal of the ruling classes. This antagonism is the secret of the impotence of the English working class, despite its organisation. It is the secret by which the capitalist class maintains its power. And the latter is quite aware of this.

>>2727318
Are you 14 or something? A lot of racists believe that they are justified in differentiating between races because there is evidence that can be used to support their viewpoint. I personally think they're wrong, but to say "well they're just stupid and afraid" is retarded.

>>2727332

But the evil does not stop here. It continues across the ocean. The antagonism between Englishmen and Irishmen is the hidden basis of the conflict between the United States and England. It makes any honest and serious co-operation between the working classes of the two countries impossible. It enables the governments of both countries, whenever they think fit, to break the edge off the social conflict by their mutual bullying, and, in case of need, by war between the two countries.

England, the metropolis of capital, the power which has up to now ruled the world market, is at present the most important country for the workers’ revolution, and moreover the only country in which the material conditions for this revolution have reached a certain degree of maturity. It is consequently the most important object of the International Working Men’s Association to hasten the social revolution in England. The sole means of hastening it is to make Ireland independent. Hence it is the task of the International everywhere to put the conflict between England and Ireland in the foreground, and everywhere to side openly with Ireland. It is the special task of the Central Council in London to make the English workers realise that for them the national emancipation of Ireland is not a question of abstract justice or humanitarian sentiment but the first condition of their own social emancipation.

>>2727316
"Racism is behavior motivated by racial stereotypes, often disciminatory or hurtful in nature. Some sources emphasize that racism involves the belief that different racial groups are characterized by intrinsic characteristics or abilities and that some such groups are therefore naturally superior to others."

>Listen to "race-realists," MRAs, etc. on Youtube.
>Their surface-level, non-academic explanations for societal problems makes sense to you.
>The vast majority of academics disagree with you, so feel as if you are gaining access to some sort of hidden knowledge.
>Begin to feel smarter than the academics who have spent their lives studying these subjects.
>Feel that Youtube videos are more intellectually and academically valid than the writings and studies of actual academics.
>Post your views on 4chan.

>>2727336
But racism implies a dislike of other races, there's no reason to dislike another race

>>2727341

>Some sources emphasize

Well, there you have it.

>>2727340

These are roughly the main points of the circular letter, which thus at the same time give the raisons d’étre of the resolutions passed by the Central Council on the Irish amnesty. A little later I sent a strongly-worded anonymous article on the treatment of the Fenians by the English, etc., attacking Gladstone, etc., to the Internationale (organ of our Belgian Central Committee in Brussels). In this article I have also denounced the French Republicans (the Marseillaise had printed some nonsense on Ireland written here by the wretched Talandier) because in their national egoism they are saving all their wrath for the Empire.

That worked. My daughter Jenny wrote a series of articles to the Marseillaise, signing them J. Williams (she had called herself Jenny Williams in her private letter to the editorial board) and published, among other things, O’Donovan Rossa’s letter. Hence immense noise.

>>2727328
That's exactly what racism is. All racists believe in a racial hierarchy.

>>2727341
What makes you think that definition is objective and true? South Korea is a "racist" country and people, yet you don't see them being expansionist

>>2727348
>one's own race
Can you fucking read?

>>2727347

After many years of cynical refusal Gladstone was thereby finally compelled to agree to a parliamentary enquiry into the treatment of the Fenian prisoners. Jenny is now the regular correspondent on Irish affairs for the Marseillaise. (This is naturally to be a secret between us.) The British Government and press are furious because the Irish question has thus now been placed on the agenda in France and that these rogues are now being watched and exposed via Paris on the whole Continent.

We hit another bird with the same stone, we have forced the Irish leaders, journalists, etc., in Dublin to get into contact with us, which the General Council had been unable to achieve previously!

You have wide field in America for work along the same lines. A coalition of the German workers with the Irish workers (and of course also with the English and American workers who are prepared to accede to it) is the greatest achievement you could bring about now. This must be done in the name of the International. The social significance of the Irish question must be made clear.

Next time a few remarks dealing particularly with the position of the English workers.

Greetings and fraternity!
Karl Marx

>>2727345
>racism implies a dislike of other races
You're just taking the piss now, right?

>>2727350
What makes you think racism is equated with expansionism? Where was that even implied?
>>2727349
Name a racist who doesn't believe his race is superior. I can name countless who do, but please provide a counter example.

>>2727354
Define racism without a hierarchy or a belief in the superiority of one race to another. I'd really love to hear that.

>>2727345

Irrational thought =/= stupidity/fear

>>2727348

An idea that is the biproduct of racism is not the definition of racism in and of itself. That racists believe in distinct racial hierarchies is no surprise, but a racist need not adhere to this idea. She/he might as well promote a variety of racial stereotypes to every race, or think that one's own race is inferior. It doesn't matter. It's still racism.

>>2727360
Sense of superiority is not the same as dislike. Think, please, just try your best.

>>2727360

"the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race"

here you go I just found this on a dictionary

>>2727366
Where does the dislike stem from? If it is just irrational hate, then why subscribe to the belief?

>>2727358
>The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races
Is that definition okay? If so, the Japanese are racist, without being superior. They do not want immigrants, because they believe coexistence with other races is not possible.

How do the posters from /pol/ acquire this unique ability to not recognize that they're posting in the wrong forum?

>>2727370
>dislike
Why are you presuming there's dislike in the first place?

>>2727370

see

>>2727156

and various studies just like it

>>2727371
*without seeing themselves as superior

>>2727368
Differing ability implies that some are more able than others, does it not?

>People on 4chan seriously think that being a racist doesn't automatically invalidate whatever argument you're making.

Oh wow.

>>2727376
What does that study even imply? Please tell me what you get from it.

>>2727381
>person who can't think critically just dismissing ideas as wrong without analysing them
You're a fucking retard, piss off.

>>2727377
If you don't think that the Japanese see themselves as superior, you have a lot to learn about Japanese society.

>>2727379

>Differing ability implies that some are more able than others, does it not?

No, it really doesn't. A racist person can believe that black men are more athletic than white men and that white men are smarter than black men with absolutely no opinion on how this ranks them totally.

You guys are completely missing the point. By pointing out that blacks are on average less intelligent than whites does not necessarily imply that whites should rule over all blacks, it means that when blacks cry out over their misfortunes it's because of some vague external malice or injustice, commonly and often termed as "white privilege". The reality is that whites are on average smarter and thus more economically successful than blacks on average.

The leap from "whites are on average smarter than blacks" to "whites are superior to blacks" is just what you choose to ascribe and label so that you mean censor and shut down the debate. Each race has different qualities

>>2727379

"or"

>>2727386
Some do, some think what I just pointed out there. I generalised accidentally in my post. I've fucking lived there, and you just wanted one.

>>2727385
Racism is a logical fallacy, bud. Lrn2academia.

As far as i know, that's becus humanities people are like that and /lit/ consists mostly of such people or people who are similar to such people.

>>2727390
The two girls in the "Liberals today" picture were pinned in by police and then pepper sprayed in the eyes by an officer walking by, for no reason.

>>2727392
>racism is a logical fallacy
What the fuck are you talking about? Racists' thinking can often be fallacious, but racism itself is not automatically fallacious.

>>2727399
What I mean is, they're not wailing about wanting free college, but screaming in pain.

>>2727387
So you admit that white racists see themselves as intellectually superior, and that blacks are more physical? I don't see how that defends your position. It seems to support my own.

>>2727403
You were referring to a objective superiority, not the acknowledgement of differing strengths.

>>2727403

It's an example of how "superiority" and "differing ability" are not tied together. I don't admit that either of those things are true. And I'm not sure how you think it invalidates my position.

>>2727181
>Assuming that blacks are on average less intelligent than whites, what do you think that means? What is the application of this? I don't get it.

It has relevance for affirmative action policies. If those are made to counter perceived discrimination or biased tests. But the tests are not biased, and there is no discrimination against blacks when it comes to admission into universities.

Since intelligence is important for many things, one will also expect blacks to do worse on them, everything else equal. They do so, exactly as predicted.

>>2727406
But it does if you value one trait over another. Do you not value any human trait over any other?

>>2727410
IQ tests aren't even an accurate measure of white intelligence.

>>2727342
>MRAs
Jesus Christ, please get massacred with a paperclip.

I wouldn't classify myself as an MRA, but I do love how feminism is allowed to stand under the "feminism is a wide movement with any number of different ideologies" umbrella while the most extreme MRAs are used to condemn the entire movement.

>>2727342
The science on race and intelligence favours race realists, not egalitarian dogma

>>2727409
Differing ability implies hierarchy of ability, and unless someone somehow has no opinion on which traits are most valuable, which is rather unthinkable to me, I don't see how you can divorce different ability based on race from notions of racial superiority. I posit that no person exists who doesn't have an opinion on the value of human traits.

>>2727413

>But it does if you value one trait over another. Do you not value any human trait over any other?

This depends on how you apply that value to your perspective of races, but to keep things simple here, racist thought can exist outside these preferences and racist thought does not require that a person have preferences of traits. So, again, you can be racist without thinking that one race is superier to another.

>>2727421
Only if you ignore all the anthropologists and biologists who don't even view race as a meaningful category for classifying human beings. Race is a social construct. There is too little genotypical variation and far too much phenotypical variation.

>>2727419
tha fuck is MRA? google just gives me:
Motorcycle Racing Association
Miss Rodeo America
Magnetic resonance angiography

But given that you said feminism the M is probably for Misandry?

>>2727419
I didn't mention any specific MRAs, or any extremists. I mentioned MRAs in passing and you start whining with your persecution complex. Wow.

>>2727438
Men's Rights Activists

>>2727422

>Differing ability implies hierarchy of ability

No, it doesn't. It doesn't at all.

>and unless someone somehow has no opinion on which traits are most valuable

This is perfectly possible.

>>2727421
The text in your picture belies a very meager and twisted knowledge of genetics and population ecology.

>>2727417
>IQ tests aren't even an accurate measure of white intelligence.

Pic related. It is what u are doing with respect to the evidence.

For those curious:

This post is mainly meant to be used as a thing that i can copypaste when i need to. I’m tired of having to find the same links over and over again to different people. So, i will just post it once here and copy it from here the next time.

—-

Intelligence research is much misunderstood and is controversial within the general public. Most of the misconceptions that people have are due to them simply never taking the time to read anything about the subject. Not even the base minimum of reading the relevant Wikipedia articles. Below I have listed three papers on the subject that I consider introductory. These explain what IQ is, what intelligence is, what the g-factor is, how to measure it, and why it matters with many examples.

Gottfredson, L. S. (2002). Where and why g matters: Not a mystery. Human Performance, 15(1/2), 25-46.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/2002notamystery.pdf

-

Gottfredson, L. S. (1997). Why g matters: The complexity of everyday life. Intelligence, 24(1), 79-132.
http://www.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/reprints/1997whygmatters.pdf

-

Robert A. Gordon. (1997) Everyday life as an intelligence test: Effects of intelligence and intelligence context. Intelligence, Volume 24, Issue 1, January–February 1997, Pages 203–320.
http://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gordon-1997-everyday-life-as-an-intelligence
-test-effects-of-intelligence-and-intelligence-context.pdf

>Pretentious
Yes
>Arrogant
Yes
>Culturally Marxist
No
>Anti-white leaning
No, I hate mud people

>>2727432
>anthropolohist and biologists deny the concept of race
>they go on study those races which they deny the existence of

Whether you call them races, populations, groups or people or whatever - human differences are real, whether you like or not, whether you accept it in your indoctrinated egalitarian brain or not, it's just wordplay

>>2727450
Right, they are real, but mostly cultural in nature. There is no fundamental difference in ability in human beings.

>>2727390
whites on average have more privilege than blacks, which makes them on average more intelligent. you stupid fuck.
I dismiss your argument because it's natural fallacy

>>2727439
>Say I'm not an MRA
>"Muh persecution complex"
Uh-huh.

I agree there is a lot of misogyny among the MRAs, in the same fashion that there is a lot of misandry among the feminists. Both are political movements, the only difference is that feminism has a certain amount of institutional power that MRAs don't - even though MRAs are supposedly, according the ideology of feminists advocates for the already over-privileged. But hey, as feminists themselves argue, part of privilege is being blind to it.

>>2727421
>The science on race and intelligence favours race realists, not egalitarian dogma

Yup. I changed my mind after having read a lot about the topic.

People wanting to learn the basics about interracial differences in intelligence etc., can read this to begin with:

Rushton, J. P., & Jensen, A. R. (2005). Thirty years of research on group differences in cognitive ability. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 11, 235-294.
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/30YrsRaceDiffswithJensen05.pdf

The entire issue of that journal was dedicated to the race intelligence question. One is advised to read papers by both sides. In my experience, reading the critical papers made me MORE, not less, certain of racial differences. Their answers and criticisms were so weak.
I have put all the papers here:
http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=2663

>>2727440
If it is "perfectly possible" give me one example of one person who doesn't value any given trait over any other.

How can we tell that picture is in Ireland?

How do you define race and how many races are there?

pro diversity =! antiwhite


your insecurity is showing.

:P

>>2727476

>Mfw racists can't even fool themselves out of this question.
>Mfw racists don't know shit about their Great^4 grandparents

This thread should've began and ended at this point.

>Mod is dead, and we have killed him.jpg

posting in a troll thread

>>2727472
You realize that Ruston is considered a joke, in academia, correct?

>>2727474

We're talking about the semantics of the word "racism", not real life examples. The fact that "racism" does not absolutely imply superiority of one race or another stands with out real life examples. In any case, if there's any academic forum on racism, I don't follow it, so if you want me to name-drop thinkers who don't put traits above others, I can't do that, though I should think that people who pride themselves on being purely objective are capable of saying, "my intelligence does this for me and my strength does that, and given their exclusiveness, I can't prefer one over the other".

>>2727472
Do trolls even know what subtlety is anymore?

>>2727494
I don't think there are people like that, an in the absence of real examples, semantic arguments are merely mental masturbation without point.

>>2727490

>DUR TAT'S CUZ DEM ACADEMICS LIBRUL HATE WHITEY RAP MUSIC AND THE BAGY JEENS

These people don't fucking care.

>>2727490
OF COURSE THEY ARE CONSIDERED A JOKE BY THE ANTI-WHITE LIBERAL JEWISH ACADEMIC CONSPIRACY

DO YOU EVEN READ SHEEPLE?

>>2727501

But the whole point of this fucking discussion is that racism is an abstract concept that you don't define by the behaviors exhibited by racist people. Racism doesn't mean "ignorance", although most racists are, and it doesn't mean "racial hierarchy".

>>2727505
claiming conspiracy, eh? And you wonder why no one takes your position seriously.

>>2727509
If there is no actual person who doesn't value differing traits that supposedly exist between the races, then yes, it does imply superiority. That's my point.

>>2727510
Do you even know what satire looks like?

>>2727515
The thing is, you never fucking know with this place. You might want to do what the guy above you did next time, so no one assumes you're sincere.

>>2727513

>it does imply superiority.

But it doesn't. It states exactly what it's definition is, and you have to extend the concept from there. Since we can't prove that everybody absolutely prefers some traits over others, we can't add this to the definition. Asking me to disprove that racist people prefer traits over others is out of the question, because you're the one trying to ammend the definition in the first place.

>>2727521
I assume that this entire thread is composed of trolls from /pol/ or stormfront. Generally racism is highly, highly less represented than it is in this thread, so we are probably being invaded or something.

>>2727522
If people value one trait over another, superiority is implied. Do we agree on this?

If that is the case, then the only way that racial hierarchy isn't a part of racism is if people somehow have no opinion on the value of any given trait. It seems to me it is impossible for someone not to have an opinion on the value of any given trait. Prove to me that is possible, and I will agree. Until then, I'll have no choice but to view you as an apologist for racism.

>>2727525
I wouldn't know. I know that they're a regular fixture on /sci/ though.

>>2727525
>>2727535
We get at least one of these threads a day, hilariously they're usually the only time Marxism, post-modernism and cosmopolitanism are mentioned on /lit/

>>2727530

>I'll have no choice but to view you as an apologist for racism.

And see, until now, I was fine with this discussion, because I was making it a point to clarify what racism is, not apologize for it. And now this.

>It seems to me it is impossible for someone not to have an opinion on the value of any given trait. Prove to me that is possible

An illustration, though by this point I don't think it's going to help:

Person A: I hate asians.
Person B: Why?
Person A: They all fucking suck at driving.
Person B: So (and here is where we hamfist superiority into the topic) you think white people are superior?
Person A: Superior drivers, maybe.
Person B: But superior absolutely?
Person A: What? No. I don't even have an opinion on that, because I'm just a racist person making a comment stereotyping Asian people as poor drivers.

Voila, here we have a person expressing racism without considering racial hierarchy.

>>2727476

1. A race is an extended family which has been more or less endogamous for some period of time. For example, the rate of gene flow from without into the Ashkenazi gene pool has been about 1% for a couple of millennia. There Ashkenazim are a race.

2. There are an indefinite number of races, just are an indefinite number of neighborhoods in New York City. The notion of family resemblance is key.

>>2727535

They're a regular fixture everywhere! You think the creation of /pol/ would have kept these idiots confined to one area to have these discussions but for whatever reason they always come to other boards.

No other board does this with regularity.

>>2727525
>I assume that this entire thread is composed of trolls from /pol/ or stormfront. Generally racism is highly, highly less represented than it is in this thread, so we are probably being invaded or something.

No, i have been here for a long time.

And i never post on /pol/.

You people have strange beliefs about trolling. I linked to evidence, studies, data, and i get told i'm trolling. What the fuck. I even posted links to papers that i host on my own website. This is not typical troll behavior.

An interesting thing about race realism discussion, is that the influence of intelligence seems to have a non-monotonic relationship. It seems to me that dumb people generally are race realists. Moderately smart people are race denialists, and very bright people are realists again.

>>2727542
>We get at least one of these threads a day, hilariously they're usually the only time Marxism, post-modernism and cosmopolitanism are mentioned on /lit/

Not true. Those are also mentioned in the meta-filosofy / analytic vs. continental threads.

>>2727549

Black is a race.
White is a race.

Black person and White person fuck, have a baby.
Baby is neither Black nor White, yet resembles both parents.
Baby is a whole new race.

Race is not genetic.

Thank you and goodnight.

>>2727558
It's just egalitarian censorship

>>2727558

>I linked to evidence

>mfw these morons can't even define race

Just give up your ideology. You'll be happier, I promise.

>>2727476

1. A race is an extended family which has been more or less endogamous (is more likely to inbreed than would be predicted by their proportion of some encompassing population) for some period of time. For example, the rate of gene flow from without into the ashkenazi gene pool has been about 1% over the past couple of millennia. Therefore Ashkenazim are a race.

2. There are an indefinite number of races, just as there are is no definite number of neighborhoods in New York City. Family resemblance is key.

Another example: sub-saharan Africans have bred with each other at above the rate of chance (taking chance to be the number of sub-saharan Africans alive at the time divided by the world population). This is because of geography. Geographical fault lines like the Sahara Desert lead to a degree of genetic isolation between populations on each side. Such fault lines are useful because they lead to clustering, which gives a kind of natural warrant to terms of race and therefore we can agree on them.

If variation were perfectly clinal, a line in the sand would have to be drawn. I don't think the terms created by doing so would be inherently 'wrong', even if the location of the line in the sand were arbitrary.

>>2727487

You too. Stop saying race does not exist. It's just wrong.

>>2727114

I kind of feel like we got trolled ITT. This topic gets people's hackles up.

>>2727693
That isn't race, that's ethnicity. Race doesn't exist. This has been shown with genetics.

>>2727693

>>2727571

You colossal idiot.

>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact is that some study could not accurately identify race is of very transient interest, it does nothing to falsify any other study that shows a higher rate of identification. Usually these studies only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media often operates : http://www.vdare.com/articles/052400-cavalli-sforzas-ink-cloud

>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact is that some study could not accurately identify race is of very transient interest, it does nothing to falsify any other study that shows a higher rate of identification. Usually these studies only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConf
oundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media often operates : http://www.vdare.com/articles/052400-cavalli-sforzas-ink-cloud

>>2727114
>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact is that some study could not accurately identify race is of very transient interest, it does nothing to falsify any other study that shows a higher rate of identification. Usually these studies only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConf
oundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races don't all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media often operates : http://www.vdare.com/articles/052400-cavalli-sforzas-ink-cloud

>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact is that some study could not accurately identify race is of very transient interest, it does nothing to falsify any other study that shows a higher rate of identification. Usually these studies only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConf
oundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races don't all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media often operates : http://www.vdare.com/articles/052400-cavalli-sforzas-ink-cloud

>/pol/ thread on /lit/
>163 replies

ffs.

>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact that some study could not accurately predict self-identified race is of very transient interest. It does nothing to falsify another study that shows a higher rate of correct identification, and of course the rate just gets higher as methodology improves. Usually these studies (you're talking about) only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConf
oundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races don't all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media often operates : http://www.isteve.com/realityofrace.htm

>>2727761

Nope. "Ethnicity" refers to culture, the trappings of culture associated with people sharing family background, nationality, language or some other kind of identity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnic

Usually when it is claimed that race does not exist, it's done off the back of studies of the genome. The fact that some study could not accurately predict self-identified race is of very transient interest. It does nothing to falsify another study that shows a higher rate of correct identification, and of course the rate just gets higher as methodology improves. Usually these studies (you're talking about) only look at a small number of loci. If you look at enough places in the genome, self-identified race can be predicted with above 99% accuracy, and after some point errors may be attributed more to the self-identification than to the prediction: http://med.stanford.edu/tanglab/publications/PDFs/GeneticStructureSelfIdentifiedRaceEthnicityAndConf
oundingInCase-ControlAssociationStudies.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180234/

If you only look at a single locus, you might have 30% likelihood of misclassification. That is because races don't all share some particular gene, but they tend to share a large number of genes; they cluster. This is Wittgenstein's concept of family resemblance all over again.

You might want to look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewontin%27s_fallacy

I realize that we all to a great extent accept what we're told by authorities. If you get most of your information on this issue from the New York Times or something, yeah, you're going to believe what you've just said. Here's another link about Cavalli-Sforza and the dishonest (or ignorant) way the media can operate: http://www.isteve.com/realityofrace.htm

>be white
>mensa tier IQ
>tall
>well built
>blue eyed
>handsome
>be drunk in wifebeater and trackpants living in the slums on the dole

Where's your God now, OP?

>this thread

>>2727761
Seems to me that
>>2727693
is saying races exist as groups of people sharing similar genes. Seems reasonable that they would exist on that basis, although they wouldn't be entirely mutually exclusive or unique- hence
>There are an indefinite number of races

>>2727114
>Welcome to Ireland
>Subway
>Bureau de Change
>Londis
Of all the non-Irish things in that picture, it had to be about skin colour?

>>2727693

>more or less endogamous
>for some period of time
>there are an indefinite number

Man, look at all this hard scientific fact going on.

I cannot report this thread fast enough

>>2728917
It's never going to be very hard facts, because you don't really get completely isolated human populations. Too much sexing goes on.

>>2728922

So then why is race a useful, or even valid, category, again?

>>2727156
>posts picture with results of study, claiming it shows racial differences in IQ
>the people who actually carried out the study say "results from the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study provide little or no conclusive evidence for genetic influences underlying racial differences in intelligence and achievement"
Whelp.

>>2728926
Medicine is an example. Not sure of the specifics, but on average East Asians require lower doses to have the same effect, so if you can't run tests etc. it makes sense to give a lower dose.

It's all averages, but it can still be useful.

>>2728931

That's because they're on average smaller people. Height and weight would be much more useful categories than their race.

ITT: people who can't into research, math, science, logic

For example, that study that shows blacks are generally scholastically inferior to other races, even if adopted by white people: it makes sense, considering that that child would still encounter prejudice from the public at large -- even unintentional, indirect, or unconscious prejudice. This would obviously impact their scholastic experience negatively.

Well-trawled, sirs, well-trawled. 6/10.

>>2728928
A sample size of "one" doesn't make for actual conclusive results? Whodathunk?

>>2728973
I think it was 100+ actually. But yeah, not very big.

>>2728971

It doesn't really show anything. A sample size of 12 is, well, it's about the same as nothing.

>>2728953
Possibly, I can't remember... I was associating it in my head with the 'red flush' reaction to alcohol which is found much more commonly among East Asians. Point is, there are some genetic features which show up more commonly in certain populations. It'd be weird if there weren't, really.

>pretentious
I try not to be. If someone calls me out for being pretentious, I definitely take a step back and consider what I've been saying/doing and adjust my behavior as needed.
>arrogant
I don't think I'm arrogant.
>cultural Marxist
I'm not a Marxist of any kind.
>anti-white
I believe that white people have a rich heritage, and a history full of both good and evil acts. I believe the same for every other group of people, however/if you want to divide them up.

>>2728992

This is true. Blacks are more susceptible to diabetes, for instance, even after controlling for other factors. Whites are more susceptible to skin cancer. Etc.

>>2728995
>responding to the OP
>post however-many-it-is

>>2728992

>Point is, there are some genetic features which show up more commonly in certain populations. It'd be weird if there weren't, really.

And do you understand that it's much more useful to look at the features, not the race?

In one case, you work with a definite, hard fact: A feature someone has.

In the other case, you work with wishy-washy averages: This person is likely to X because they are black.

Science should stick to the things it can measure and define. Race isn't one of those things.

>>2729006
I'm not really talking about science, more about things like public policy. Areas with high black populations need X more supplies of diabetes medicine, that kind of thing.

Why don't we just...carry on with our lives instead of arguing pointlessly which will ultimately lead to nothing but people get their panties in a twist?
...fuck fourchan.

>>2729042
You know you love it really. /pol/ has actually gone though, so there's not too much arguing.

>>2729053
Still here, mate

>>2729068

Oh jesus christ. It should be obvious to anyone at this point that this guy is a stupid troll. Let's just let the thread die, shall we? Let's.

>>2729081
Do facts upset you?

>>2729068
Oh, great. What's your answer to >>2728928?

>>2729090
>"results from the Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study provide little or no conclusive evidence for genetic influences underlying racial differences in intelligence and achievement"

>white supremacists
>not arrogant and pretentious

pahahahahahaha

>>2729096
Yes, that was the part I was referring to. What's your response?

>Bureau de Change
>Ireland

Yes I know niggers are inferior, loud, smelly, apish creatures and I don't want them coming to my country. They have already made their own "Africa town" here. Don't even get me started on Mudslimes. The suburbs they inhabit are "off limits" - as the police say - to "non-muslims" (whites). You will be beaten and killed (or raped if female) if you dare to go through these areas.

also

>lebanese

sage because not /lit/.

>>2729107
Nice sage, let me do it for you

>>2729082

Those facts you presented? They make me smile. Thanks.

>tfw you can't into context

I don't know that feeling. Who here might know that feeling ...?

>Go to /lit/
>LOL feminists! thread
>LOL niggers! thread

/pol/ please leave. This is a board for educated and literate people.

>>2727390
You do realize that liberalism 50 years ago was classical liberalism and was pretty much convervatis-

FUCK IT SPACE JEWS RULING THE WORLD FUCKING NIGGERS AREN'T AS SMART BUT NEITHER ARE ASIANS AND JEWS WHITE PRIDE WIDE

>>2729130
Actually, jews and north east asians are more intelligent and sucessful than whites

>>2729122
>I READ EVERY GAME OF THRONES LOOK HOW MUCH BETTER THAN YOU I AM
>HURR DURR I AM ABOVE YOUR PETY RACISM YOU PEASANT DERP DERPDERP I GO TO COLLEGE

Faggot.

>>2729135
>In white countries.

Why such inferior societies no one wants to live in, non-whites?

>>2729135

Yes, because there's significant cultural pressure to be so. (Jewish mother guilt trips, anyone? Asian father guilt trips, anyone?)

>>2729138
>Thinks /lit/ likes Game of Thrones

Now I know /pol/ is raiding us.

>>2729153
Yes, of course

>>2729138
>Game of Thrones
>Not A Song of Ice and Fire

Leave. Now.

>>2729157
What are subspecies and species ahurhausdad dhow does biology work

>>2729153
dude, you've lost
you can't be a coherent, scientific racist and think "whites" are superior
asians and jews are obviously smarter
every study says this

>>2729157
>Thinks different breeds of dog are the same as different races of humans.

>>2729165
They are.

>>2729153
>Uses "Biology" to claim White intellectual superiority over Blacks instead of "Society"
>Claims "Society" is the reason why Jews and Asians perform better than Whites academically

>>2729163
>samefag
>trawling
>2012 and still trawling

>>2729157
That collie is beautiful.

>>2729170

Holy fuck. You did not just confuse me with the racistrawl. Jesus christ are you dumb or what.

>>2729166
>They are.

>>2729165
>egalitarian experiencing cognitive dissonance

>>2729177
Shit. Must've mis-linked. Chill out.

>>2729103
>presents a study as 'eye-opening' magic-bullet evidence of genetic IQ differences
>ignores the fact that that's not what the study says
>continues to ignore this
You're a terrible racist, /pol/anon. You're just horrible at racism.

>>2729184

Sorry. I just don't take kindly to being called a racist.

>>2729198
It's alright. I'm leaving /lit/ for now anyway. Hopefully /pol/ and the stormfags get bored and leave by the time I get back.

Go ahead and argue libfags, but just so you know, I was once where you are now; in time 4chan gazes into you like the necronomicon. All that is needed is exposure.

>>2729138
>thinks reading Game of Thrones and going to college are things people brag about to show how intelligent they are
Oh, /pol/, why do you shoot your own arguments in the foot by being so white and yet so stupid?

>>2729170
Actually, sampling bias is the reason why jews and asians have statistically higher IQs.

The more you know.

>>2729211
That's sounds retarded, source?

>>2729211
Excuses, excuses.

Now bow to the Judeo-Asian Master Race.

>>2729205

Yeah, I've been meaning to get to my law studies and finish Joan Didion. Now's about a good time.

>>2729216
Let me clarify why it sounds retarded. Generally, there's a problem with sampling for every group, not just for two who are shown to be 'smarter' than whites. And it's all culture, so I have no idea why anyone would feel attacked by it.

But, I stand to be proven wrong.

>>2729213
>>2729156
I actually only post here on /lit/. Keep being insecure though, you fucking elitist faggots.

>>2729232
>you fucking elitist faggots
>Thinks /lit/ doesn't consider that a compliment

>>2729232
Wow, so you're dumb and you have no excuse. Interesting.

>>2729234
>have no excuse

>Implying I give shit about what childish fantasy books you manchildren care about

Sorry, I don't post in those threads.

>>2729251
Are you actually the racistanon who was posting the images up the thread?

>argue that black people are not as intelligent
>believes that jews control the world

>>2729233
>tfw elitist egalitarian

How does it work?

>>2729257
>>2729257
>racistanon

Get over it.

No I am not.

>>2729232
>argues for acknowledgement of iq differences
>calls anyone that treats him like an idiot "elitist"

racists y u so stupid?

>>2729282
Oh. Then I don't even know where you stand on races. Looks like we're arguing with racists who aren't even around. Booooooring.

>>2729284
You moron.
I am not that guy, I called that faggot here >>2729122 an
elitist.

>>2729301

Right, then, forcing this thread into autosage because the mod is either dead or the greatest of failures.

>>2729329

>>2729330

>>2729332

fuckin' captcha

>>2729335

>>2729338

now introducing sage

>>2729336

>>2729341

enntome sanscrit

lol that's not how you spell sanscrit capthca-chan xD

>>2729344

lololololololol

>>2729346

shitty shitty fag fag shitty shitty fag fag how do ya do?

>>2729350

hey, there

why is flood detection on overdrive with sage but not with non-sage? makes sense, moot.

>>2729352

As much sense as making /new/front not once but twice.

>>2729356

>>2729360

>>2729363

fucking
captcha

>>2729367

Young Justice is a'ight, but I find Green Lantern TAS is extremely well done.

>>2729370

very well done

>>2729371

mm, off-brand honey nut cheerios

>>2729373

>>2729182

>Russell Bertrand

Hahahaha, wow man.

>cultural marxist

>empty buzzword

Get the fuck out

>>2727156

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1182327/?tool=pmcentrez

>>2729182

>trying to sound intelligent
>spells through like a retard

>>2729182
>iq experts
>iq
>experts

What you've just said:
>Your post takes cognitive effort for me to understand.

You should stick to reading the strawmen and irrelevancies of those who share your foregone conclusion.

>>2728910

What you're saying:
>Your post takes cognitive effort to understand.
>Therefore you can't be right.

You should stick to reading the strawmen and irrelevancies of those who share your foregone conclusion. They generally don't acknowledge the true nature of the views they argue against, or credit their opponents with more intelligence than you would credit yourself.

Where are all these Africans OP? I live in Wexford and can safely say I know no more than 5 where I live (Ferns), and they're pretty respectable.
The "Pavee Community", on the other hand..

I'm neither of those, but multiculturalism is pretty much irreversible, except in Israel. There will have to be a tremendous act occurring in the next 5-10 years to oust any non-whites in Western nations, but there's a better chance of pigs growing wings. I'd just say deal with it.

OP's image is from the capital of Ivory Coast.