/lit/ - Literature

>>22374
amen

I'm going to 6 pm mass and I'm really excited.

When are you guys going?

>>22443
Tomorrow morning at 10:30

>>22443
>tfw fallen catholic

I had to look at going to mass and decide whether or not I could as a hypocrite (not believing in transubstantiation, rejecting the nicene creed, thinking that the rape scandal has annulled the confessional). Now I go to a liberal christian unitarian independent congregation, and its pretty great, but I still feel that there is no means to redeem sin, as I dont believe in grace.

Fuckoff

>>22461
comfy

This past Wednesday was the first time I went to daily mass and it was great. Hoping to start going 2-3 times a week now. :3

God bless.

>>22495
All of us at mass are sinners. There's many people that struggle with accepting the concept of transubstantiation, even priests. It is a thing that was practiced by the earliest Christians, though. The denial of transubstantiation was a Gnostic heresy (you should read about Ignatius of Antioch). As for the Nicene creed and confessional, maybe you should meet with a priest to talk about it? I'm sure he would be able to better explain it than I would. Confession is a sacrament given to us by Christ, so the acts of a few priests don't nullify that, brother.

The door is always open for you, I recommend you talk to a priest about your doubts. It can even be anonymously in a confessional.

https://masstimes.org/

God bless you.

>>22374

>>22374
orthodoxy is clearly superior

>inb4 poltard

ruski desu

>>22657
Enjoy hell, faggot.

>>22640
problem is I dont need it explained to me. I fundamentally do not believe in it. I was close to becoming a priest myself. And as long as papal infallibility stands, and shit like Jesus of Nazareth by Ratzinger ignores historical-criticism, I cant stomach a mass. It makes me sad too because I used to really feel at peace.

>>22374
Your cheap, /pol/ smelling scummy thread has no place on this board. You are a shameful as a Christian and as an Individual. Go get some gains, brainlet.

Please read:

Laurus
The Master of Hestviken
The End of the Affair
Silence
The Power and the Glory

Catholic /lit/ is top tier

MODS. THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER.

>>22736
Which one should I start with, lad?

>tfw I watched Silence and it gave me the feels

>>22374
If you tell people that you have an imaginary friend then you're crazy, but believing in a man who used to live in his mom's basement and turns water into wine isn't.

>>22837

>>22837
Even an Atheist can use the precepts of Jesus of Nazareth to create a the Kingdom on Earth.

James 2:

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[a] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! 20

>>22814
Silence is a great novel.

Endo has another one, called The Samurai. Also quite good.

>>22665

>implying hell exists

Enjoy spending half your life trying to please an imaginary skydaddy.

You're racing to a redlight christ-cuck

>>22374
Amen

tfw I am going to rome for the first time this summer.

>>22981
>show me the money meme

The proof's all around you, anon. It's just a matter if whether you're willing to open your eyes to it.

ex nihilo is /fitlit/

>>22997
>tfw you will never become to next Goethe, he looked chad as fuck

>>23045
that looks like the naked feelsguys from New Years like 3 years ago

>>23020

What proof?

I take a bible and throw it into the flame. It burns the same as a Quran and any other book for that matter.

>>22374
Fuck off kikes

>>23160
>Catholics
>Jews

>>23076
You must curate your body, mind, and soul, be it through sacred or profane means. I find the bible sans John and Paul the best, many on /lit/ enjoy Marcus Aurelius, and some Schopenhauer or Stirner. Pure secularism without spirituality or moral direction is empty, and you become the lead of a Houellebecq novel

>>22374
>unironically worshipping the great whore of babylon
stay mad catholicucks

Was Belloc /fit/?

>>23209
>Catholics worship Mary

Oh, look, it's this stale meme again.

>>23187
>Following a religion made by sand people
>ever

>>23195

I'll get to the Abrahamic religions once I'm done with eastern philosophy.

>Pure secularism without spirituality or moral direction is empty

fuck off.

>>23195
So, you have an audacity to accuse every non-religious person of being a defective empty shell. Not only is it a terribly arrogant statement, but it also shows your lack of understanding of Christian thought.

>>23256
You seem like an unhappy person. Find Jesus.

>>22736
>Laurus
Orthodox not Catholic

Fedora as it may sound I feel like a different species from the religious. I was raised Catholic. The people in my church were some of the most kind hearted I've ever met. The Bible is fascinating as the art and civilizations that orbited it.

But I've never believed in it nor felt an urge to believe. No animosity toward religion or intentional drive toward atheism. Yet I know people who've always been faithful. Claimed to have felt the presence of a higher power all their lives even before landing into a particular religion. They say if there was no God they'd just lose the will to live.

Cant help but wonder deep down what the difference is between us.

>>23254
>Posting varg 'islam seems like a good idea, murder your friends' the faggot

>>23260


I don't want to get into a drawn out debate. I was fapping and this is killing my boner.

Stoic master race. If god wants to talk to me i'm sure He'll get around to it.

>>22997
>that first time you saw the basilica di san pietro from the inside
simply amazing

>>23328
What do you think it will take to rekindle your faith, anon?

>>22374
is christchan the epitome of /pol/ christian role playing?

>>22866
>14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good[a] is that? 17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I studied some James this summer
hot man, it was good stuff
like angry passionate preaching about
doing the work instead of merely talking
slacktivism is killing this world
and christianity is starting to do works again
Praise be!

>>23363
>wah, it's God who has to make the effort to talk to me, despite giving me the gift of life and being my creator

Something, something, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, etc., etc.

>>23260
>>23256
>being this buttblasted regarding the truth of western secularism.

I bet you get into a religious fervor over your favorite political nominee.

>>23291
Brothers in faith.

>>22495
>there is no means to redeem sin
If there is no means to redeem sin then why did Jesus die in the first place

Or are you talking about in your upbeat feelgood congregation?

>>23399
>/pol/

Calling someones faith a "save mentality" and calling for crusades is not Christian

>>23435
>If there is no means to redeem sin then why did Jesus die in the first place

It's evident you hasn't read the Bible and are ignorant of what you criticize.

>tfw no Catholic gf

>>23419
Nice slide, bro. Is that what Jesus would do, too?

>>23409
Look up luke timothy johnson, he thinks james may be older than paul, and believes it is the same james brother of jesus that was stoned to death in 78-79

>>23435
I mean that without confession, and rejecting grace, there is no avenue for me to be shriven.

>tfw jewish
Sorry bout the deicide lads. Was definitely not a mitzvah.

>>22997
hope you like paintings of the same male torso repeated a million times by the worlds most famous homo

>>23447
>They're not REAL christians
xD

>>23546
yea

>>23546
yes, exactly.

>>23473
All the Catholic girls at my uni are just normies/service-oriented quasi-born-again types. I want a girl to talk about mysticism and shit.

>>23454
Jesus died to undo the effects of Original Sin. If Jesus dying redeemed humanity from sin then humanity can be redeemed from sin.

I don't know what you're getting at here.

>>23370

I don't really feel it was kindled to begin with. I'm just curious about the mindset of faithful people. I know there are philosphers who've gone to great pains to try to prove God's existence, but what strikes me are the people I've met who seem almost unconcerned with that. Like, they'll exercise skepticism all the time in their day to day life, but once it comes to religion any sense of skepticism or scrutiny melts away. Don't mean that in an insulting way. Just seems bizarre to me.

>>23595
>Jesus died to undo the effects of Original Sin. If Jesus dying redeemed humanity from sin then humanity can be redeemed from sin.
>Thinking Jesus dying on the cross means we are forgive for our sin

Sure, but that's only half of it. We have to repent for our sin, which is why Jesus passed on the power to forgive sin to his apostles. The common man does not have that power, and thus can only be forgiven of sin through the Church, which was founded by Christ and his apostles.

>>23595
>not wanting a Catholic gf who's faithful, loyal, and will birth you many children

You must be from /fit/.

>>23473
>tfw the girl I love is dating and sleeping with another guy
and is the only christian girl I've truly got to know and who became my best freind

I didn't ask for these feels
and I don't know what to do anons
help me out

>>23692
>can only be forgiven of sin through the Church
isnt this kinda unfair to people in non christian nations?

>>22443
going to 11:30 AM to get back in time for wrestlemania

>>22374
kys rp fag

>>23861
Say that to my face irl, pussy.

>>23692
I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying. Original post was worded in a way implying there was no route for salvation at all.

>not wanting a Catholic gf who's faithful, loyal, and will birth you many children
I want a gf who is all of those and can still talk about theological matters.

Catholic role-playing is one of the worst things to happen to 4chins.

>>23910
How do you mean, friend?

>>22374
>Catholic
TOP KEK
Religion is detrimental to the progress of humanity/society

>>23934
>if I could fuck guys in the ass without reproach, science and technology would somehow be far more advanced than it is now

>>23910
there are a billion catholics on earth do you really find it so hard to believe that a few might post on 4chan

>>24032
yes

>>24044
there are a few normal fag practicing catholics posting on normie boards like sp and out at any moment senpai

>>23800
No, because they'll get to know the Word of God soon.

>>23934

>>23528
sorry about the holocaust bro, was definiately not a... well...

well sorry anyway.

>>23882
they exist, but they have massive debts and are a lil crazy.

>>22374
I think I am going to go to Church tomorrow for the first time in 15 years.
I still don't know why I convinced myself to even think about it but I think it is going to be good for me.
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>>24237
God bless, anon.

:^)

>>22374

Of course, /fitlit/ loves idol worship and to eat dudes on Sunday.

>>24193
>they have massive debts and are a lil crazy.
I would say I'm a little crazy myself, but I'd sound like a pengu1n 0f d00m.

>>24237
Once I am sure there's nothing going on
I step inside, letting the door thud shut.
Another church: matting, seats, and stone,
And little books; sprawlings of flowers, cut
For Sunday, brownish now; some brass and stuff
Up at the holy end; the small neat organ;
And a tense, musty, unignorable silence,
Brewed God knows how long. Hatless, I take off
My cycle-clips in awkward reverence.

Move forward, run my hand around the font.
From where I stand, the roof looks almost new -
Cleaned, or restored? Someone would know: I don't.
Mounting the lectern, I peruse a few
Hectoring large-scale verses, and pronounce
'Here endeth' much more loudly than I'd meant.
The echoes snigger briefly. Back at the door
I sign the book, donate an Irish sixpence,
Reflect the place was not worth stopping for.

Yet stop I did: in fact I often do,
And always end much at a loss like this,
Wondering what to look for; wondering, too,
When churches will fall completely out of use
What we shall turn them into, if we shall keep
A few cathedrals chronically on show,
Their parchment, plate and pyx in locked cases,
And let the rest rent-free to rain and sheep.
Shall we avoid them as unlucky places?

Or, after dark, will dubious women come
To make their children touch a particular stone;
Pick simples for a cancer; or on some
Advised night see walking a dead one?
Power of some sort will go on
In games, in riddles, seemingly at random;
But superstition, like belief, must die,
And what remains when disbelief has gone?
Grass, weedy pavement, brambles, buttress, sky,

A shape less recognisable each week,
A purpose more obscure. I wonder who
Will be the last, the very last, to seek
This place for what it was; one of the crew
That tap and jot and know what rood-lofts were?
Some ruin-bibber, randy for antique,
Or Christmas-addict, counting on a whiff
Of gown-and-bands and organ-pipes and myrrh?
Or will he be my representative,

Bored, uninformed, knowing the ghostly silt
Dispersed, yet tending to this cross of ground
Through suburb scrub because it held unspilt
So long and equably what since is found
Only in separation - marriage, and birth,
And death, and thoughts of these - for which was built
This special shell? For, though I've no idea
What this accoutred frowsty barn is worth,
It pleases me to stand in silence here;

A serious house on serious earth it is,
In whose blent air all our compulsions meet,
Are recognized, and robed as destinies.
And that much never can be obsolete,
Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.