/lit/ - Literature

>>23064734
Yes but not in the form of knowledge.

>>23064734
Yes but it is impossible to certify as truth. All our methods are unreliable and subject to dispute. We can only attain probabilistic "knowledge".

>>23064734
Both. The objective truth exists, but for each person, in their own world, their personal truth also exists. Consider:
>a mental patient believes they can fly
>goes onto the roof
>jumps off
>believes they are flying
>dies
For that person, up to the moment of their death, they truly believed that they could fly. To the rest of us they were insane, but their reality is not subject to our individual reality, or the consensual, objective one.

>>23064734
All truth is based on the system of knowledge that surrounds it. If we can agree on a system we can have truth.

>>23064753
So how can you say "yes"?
>>23064761
Explain objective truth.

>>23064766
So truth is just consensus? I guess the sun was really Apollo riding a chariot through the sky.

>>23064772
>Explain objective truth.
If you drop something, it falls to the ground; the sky is blue; if I punch you in the face, it will hurt. Easily observable reality. And before you try and get gay and cutesy and solipsistic with me, I will punch you in the face and viciously beat you until you admit that objective reality is real, and it hurts.

>>23064779
>If you drop something, it falls to the ground;
Helium.
>the sky is blue
Not today where I am. Also is it? Or is it just how our rods and cones perceive it? Does a cat see it as blue?
>if I punch you in the face, it will hurt
Maybe for you
>Easily observable reality
Observable when? By whom? Where?
>And before you try and...
Why are you so mad?

>>23064795
brb omw to your house rn to come prove objective reality to you

>>23064800
Correct me if I'm wrong. You're saying "truth" is the consensus surrounding human perception? I just want you to be more clear about this.

>>23064819
Truth is objective universal law, which exists independent of human perception. Like how when my fist connects with your jaw, it will fracture the bone.

>>23064779
>>23064839
It is an objective truth that lice and bedbugs will infest your apartment in 1 month from now... my armies of insect tormentors are on their way...

>>23064795
Shallow and pedantic. You're not proving objective reality doesn't exist by pointing out it has complexities.

>>23064734
His name is Jesus.

>>23064857
I'm not trying to disprove it, I just want to be clear about how we are proving it. So again, are we saying truth is consensus about human perception of the physical world?

>>23064872
then why god deprived people who lived before him of truth?

>>23064795
>Helium
He is obviously talking about things that we know do fall to the ground
Go walk into a brick wall while subjectively telling me you can traverse it passing trough it and see what happens
>W-what if it's unstable and falls down?
I'm going to behead you

>>23064734
No, each person lives in their own world. No person’s eye is exactly the same as any other person’s eye. No one’s brain is identical to another person’s brain. Consequently, each person’s reality is unique to themselves. You can argue that there’s some objective, independent, universal reality beyond the sensory, but you’re not going to find it by using scientific methods.

>>23064734
Shut the fuck up Socrates, I'm busy prosecuting my father for impiousness.

>>23064872
>>23065685
Because Christ Jesus is consciousness that is within everyone
>Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

>>23064761
That’s not “truth”, that’s an opinion. Zoomers are so fucking retarded.

>>23064734
Does math exist? Does logic?

>>23064734
there's an objective truth (either in the material or metaphysical sense) but people have a far weaker grasp of it than they like to think, so individual/local/partial truths are the only thing that's accessible

>>23065950
>oh no no no

>>23064795
>Helium.
Helium balloons drop to the ground as well
>Erm no they don't
Is that some kind of objective truth?

>>23065950
yeah of course, are you retarded? have you ever adding numbers? other people will get the same result if their math is not flawed.

Anybody who denies the existence of objective truth deserves to be punched in the face and told it never happened

>>23064734
yes but only i know what it is and i'm not going to tell anyone

>>23065982
>my 1+1=2
>your 1+1=2
cool we agreed that "Sneed" means the same as "Sneed", now how do we move this boulder that fell into our stream?

>>23065983
>acting like a nigger is objective reality

>>23065995
>"Sneed" means the same as "Sneed"
thanks for admitting logic exists too.

>>23066022
God gives us logic but takes it away when we've been bad boys, look around you

>>23065965
>He thinks purely in the material
Good god.
>>23065982
Here's your (you). Congratulations on not understanding that what you said was my point.

>>23066021
Didn't we just agree there is no objective reality?
Now bend over.

>>23066174
>objective reality is proven
>you get raped by a nigger moments later
sounds about right

>>23064734
There is only one Truth, and your "truth" is just an ephemeral delusion like all of the rest which are not the One True Truth.
>t. 1 true truther

>>23064753
what's probable is not knowlege , its a lower form of it .