/lit/ - Literature

>>23037359
>free will is an illusion
I agree, but you ought to just roll with it.
>causality is an illusion
In terms of the physical world, no; human interaction, sure.
>selflessness is an illusion
>selfishness is an illusion
>self is an illusion
These all go together. It depends on how you characterize self.
>objective morality is an illusion
Most definitely, but again, you'll do well if you act as if it isn't
>objective truth is an illusjon
In pedantic way yes, but debatable
>math is an illusion
Math is not an illusion but a set of rules.
>God is an illusion
No duh.

>>23037381
>>causality is an illusion
>In terms of the physical world, no;
especially there. we made concepts to give the illusion of causality when you conceptually reduce things in the environment but there are no "things"

>>23037359
Based

You left out grammar

>>23037359
define 'is'

>>23038659
define define

>>23037359
I love Nietzsche, but mostly just for his writings on the Greeks. After reading Will to Power, which is more interested in psychologizing and philosophy, I lost interest. Not because I disagree with him, but because I am already not very Logo centric and can abandon logos pretty easily, which most of his work hints at.

>>23037359
wrong
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>>23037359
Unless you have tackled with the works of the Celestial Emperor, you've seen nothing.

>>23038661
no

>>23038679
*blocks you're path*

>>23037359
Math and numerology is the only thing that isn't an illusion

>>23038670
You can't abandon logos lmao. Writing down your thoughts into any coherent statement implies logos. In fact, if you suspected that logos was not there then you would throw a fit in frustration akin to how your hand retracts when near a flame. Its not up to you.

>>23038683
Damn you got him

Ah but are illusions an illusion?

>>23038679
Why am I seeing this nigger everywhere?

>>23037522
>absolute measure
This reveals Nietzsche as a worthless charlatan. Anybody with even a schoolboy's knowledge of Euclidean geometry would know that in mathematics there is no such thing as absolute measure. The number 1 does not represent some absolute measure but the whole of an arbitrarily chosen measure. It is the concept of wholeness, not absolute measure. This is so basic --- I stress -- that it is one of the first things you would learn when studying Euclidean geometry. This is why Nietzsche will always be the philosopher of midwits and teenagers, not serious intellectuals.

>>23039873
>Yes every time I see someone using statistics they not only give the population and collection date, but a list of further confounding errors
Lel no, people should learn that all of that is just often pragmatically useful but not in a any sense right, but the idea that everyone has learnt and internalised that is patently false.

>>23037359
No shit. The human mind is literally incapable of faithfully determining any sort of base reality of its existence. But you don't have to be a horse fucking edgelord like Nietzsche to come to that conclusion since the esoterics already figured that out decades before Nietzsche did.

>>23039936
Good thing we had that covered back then, because if we didn't there could have been a nasty eugenics episode where we thought our science was better than nature. Relieved to know we all know better

>>23039936
>decades before
time is an illusion tho

it's funny how according to atheists, everything is an illusion, but certainly not atheism :)

>>23039960
is the emptiness of an empty glass an illusion of the lack of liquid?

>>23039944
What are you babbling about retard

>>23039971
Esoteric knowledge

>>23037359
So...
Buddhism?

>>23040007
Buddhism doesn't deny free will or causality

>>23039873
This is just absurd. Practically no mathematician or statistician is walking around thinking that numbers and calculations are an epistemological impossibility / human invention like Nietzsche argued.

>>23037381
>causality isn't an illusion
he lacks the critical information

>>23037359
>Yes. Everything we know is an illusion
>I will now go have sex with a horse

lol this guy was a fucking clown

>>23037381
>I agree, but you ought to just roll with it.
like you have a choice dumbass

>In an age of disintegration that mixes races indiscriminately, human beings have in their bodies the heritage of multiple origins, that is, opposite, and often not merely opposite, drives and value standards that fight each other and rarely permit each other any rest.

Should I keep going?

Beyond Good & Evil, Verse 200.

>>>In terms of the physical world, no;
>>>Math is not an illusion but a set of rules.

>>23037359
>at last I see…
No you don't as evidenced by the fact you think you do

how do math fags solve their interpersonal problems

>>23037359
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.

>>23037359
Did anyone take Stirner to heart more than Nietzsche did?

>>23041761
Divide and conquer

>>23041818
This isn't really relevant to his points. Are you trying to debate him?