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This is the first work of great art video games have produced. Honorable mentions go to Bloodborne and Silent Hill 2, but DE is the first game to leave an imprsssion on those not already devoted to the medium. It is the video game equivalent of a D. W. Griffith film.
>But Birth of a Nation was screened by Woodrow Wilson! It doesn't have the same level of prestige!
First, Intolerance is a better example than Birth of a Nation of a pretigious Griffith work, I don't know why everyone references the latter when talking about Griffith; maybe because they only took an introductory film class that covered BoaN's technical innovations? Second, DE having leftist themes (in stark contrast to BoaN's) means it's not going to get the same endorsement from an organization with the level of influence of the government, nor would there be a meaningful way to "screen" a video game even if they wanted to. But DE has had a lot of cultural impact on the political left, socialist orgs regularly have sessions dedicated to it. So I would argue it has hit the same level of cultural significance.
>But video games are hopelessly commercial!
As were Dickens, Dostoevsky, Shakespeare (!), etc. As was early film.
>But many video game auteurs don't view themselves as artists! They will call their works entertainment!
This was true of many of film's early pioneers, who viewed themselves as creating nothing but mass entertainment. But in any case it isn't true of Robert Kurvitz.
Within the next decade, vidya will get its Battleship Potemkin, and the medium's artistic status will be beyond question.

>> No.23000113

>>23000108
Communist garbage fuck off

>> No.23000124
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>>23000108
i agree, but you really should check out Pathologic. i haven't played Pathologic 2 yet, but Pathologic 1 is truly sublime and a great piece of art.

>> No.23000147

>>23000108
There's been others. Pathologic, Deus ex, Hotline Miami, Rain World, to name a few. But in general, I think video games are the next frontier of art, though it also comes with a horde of pretentious garbage masquerading as art, e.g TLoU2, artsy indie games.

>> No.23000209

>>23000147
>hotline miami

kek retards really just confuse "game I like" with "great art"

>> No.23000223
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Harvester is a work of art!

>> No.23000224

>>23000108
It's really shit writing when compared to literature. Its just so much better that anything else in gaming. Combine that with the dopamine reward processes of video games makes you think the writing is far greater. You now have justification for your dopamine addiction. That's the real reason people are holding this game up as a piece of great literature it justifys their time wasting gaming instead of doing actual reading.

>> No.23000230

>>23000108
Witcher 3
>inb4 it is already based on a book
They came up with most of it on their own, and it turned out great
And i dont even like viya

>> No.23000235

>>23000224
No it is just commie garbage and commies do nothing but fellate their shit tier ideology into importantance

>> No.23000241

>>23000235
>t. filtered retard

>> No.23000252

>>23000108
HHAHAHAHAHAH

This is the extent video game retards have to go to.

>> No.23000256

>>23000252
communist retards*

>> No.23000260

>>23000108
Sorry, Postal 2 is the only game that truly qualifies as art.

>> No.23000281

>>23000108
MGS2. And plenty others, this is definitely not the first.

>> No.23000286

>>23000108
Videogames will never be art. Videogames are entertainment, not art.

>> No.23000296

>>23000108
Disco elysium has had no impact outside gaming.
>It is the video game equivalent of a D. W. Griffith film.
You'll have to actually explain this, on a technical level. I'd dispute the two beinf even remotely comparable.
>But DE has had a lot of cultural impact on the political left, socialist orgs regularly have sessions dedicated to it.
Do they? Even if they do, BoaN sparked the birth of the Second KKK. Disco elysium hasn't done anything of the sort.

Disco elysium is a mid RPG that tries too hard to be a book.
>Within the next decade, vidya will get its Battleship Potemkin, and the medium's artistic status will be beyond question.
No, if we use the timeline of film, and we are being generous by setting the first vidya in the 70s. We are 29 or so years behind schedule, if we were to stick to the timeline, the BoaN of vidya was Mario 64 and Halo was its battleship Potemkin.
The mediums are too different from eachother to be meaningfully compared though.

>> No.23000306

>>23000296
Disco Elysium is not a game, it is a VN, and is only liked by communists who cannot argue so they just shill

>> No.23000314

>>23000108
>Leftist Devs make an impressive game with exquisite Pynchon-tier writing
>Rightist can only make shitty flash games
What went wrong, bros?

>> No.23000326

>>23000230
It's shit. Even as a movie game it's shit.

>> No.23000334

>>23000108
kill yourself
>>23000230
Only good post ITT

>> No.23000336

>>23000108
Is this a real, unironic post? It reads like a parody shitpost. Can you stick to your containment boards please?

>> No.23000340

>>23000334
>bitchercuck
Kys

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Plenty of good games out there.

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>>23000340
you ain't standing up from this one, cuck

>> No.23000408

>>23000399
>bitchercuck thinks video game awards are the merit of art.
Laffin. This why bitchercucks are low IQ and bitcher 3 is not taken seriously by anyone but video game playing incels and manchildren.

>> No.23000413

>>23000408
>coping
lmao, get back to your contaiment board where you belond, faggot

>> No.23000418

>>23000108
I'd call Outer Wilds the first great work in video games.

>> No.23000453

>>23000413
You were seething at bitcher 3 not being seen as anything other than netflix-series-bait tier writing, which is of course what it is. Go back and kill yourself. No serious art appreciator would put bitcher 3 over the likes of true artsy games like Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Disco Elysium, Mgs2, SotC, Nier, Planescape torment, ghost trick etc.

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>>23000453
>true artsy games
How big of a faggot can you be? hahahah

>> No.23000481

>>23000453
>your game netflix, my game artsy
I'm leaving with you with >>23000399 pic rel as it seems that it stung your feeling so bad. No point in talking with you anymore, you're a massive faggot

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>>23000453
>true artsy games like Dark Souls, Bloodborne

>ZANZIBART
>FORGIVE ME

>> No.23000495

>>23000108
answer my complaints in the /his/ thread you bastard i won't let you get away with this utter horseshit.

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>> No.23000505
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>> No.23000506

>>23000469
Cry more bitchercuck. Bitchercucks are so goddamn quick at bringing up sales and awards as if they even matter, as if what ign rated as Goty is a hallmark of quality; like it's not well known already where fucking video game critics land in esteem among art critics. The fact that bitcher 3 cannot possibly be defended without them is the true hallmark of its searing mediocrity. Only low IQ plebs defend it because their tastes aren't developed enough to know art in whatever medium it shows up. As a reader, it's so fucking hilarious to see low IQ retards figuratively defending Stephen King as high literature, because that's bitcher's closest equivalent in the realm of books. Weirdly enough that is still massively overrating bitcher, because that polish faggot can't write his way out of wet paperbag.

>> No.23000513

>>23000481
>>23000469
As I said: kys.

Your feefees got hurt when art appreciators don't dicsuck shitty tv serkes bait like bitcher 3. I just showed you the mirror. Back to /v/, then to the gallows.

>> No.23000517

>>23000488
That's Elden ring. A POS much like yourself.

>> No.23000520

>>>/his/16202907
answer me op. and answer the other guy. don't cuck out of the convo.

>> No.23000523

I lost interest and stopped playing when the game opened up and you can walk across the bridge or whatever. It just seemed at the point they wanted more ‘game’ and interactions without any real artistic purpose and it seemed kind of cheap. But the greatest work of video game art of all time is easily Skyrim. Skyrim perfected RPG minimalism. Every judgement and moral quandary is up to the interpretation and imagination of the player instead of relying on cheap cinematic gimmicks or standard DnD MK ultra theme park guidance that RPG’s usually suffer from. Skyrim is the greatest game of all time

>> No.23000524

>>23000505
This one got a lot of heat I remember but I really enjoyed it

>> No.23000525

I lost interest and stopped playing when the game opened up and you can walk across the bridge or whatever. It just seemed at the point they wanted more ‘game’ and interactions without any real artistic purpose and it seemed kind of cheap. But the greatest work of video game art of all time is easily Skyrim. Skyrim perfected RPG minimalism. Every judgement and moral quandary is dependent on the interpretation and imagination of the player instead of relying on cheap cinematic gimmicks or standard DnD MK Ultra dungeon puppet master that RPG’s usually suffer from. Skyrim is the greatest game of all time

>> No.23000534

>>23000523
I agree anon. I remember getting lost in some fucking dungeons and finding loot, sometimes skeletons with scrolls which told their stories. So fucking comfy.

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>>23000506
>Low IQ
>Low IQ
>Low IQ
>my games are THE REAL ART
>plebs
How insecure you are, you stupid fuck? Imagine producing that wall of seething text that says more about you than anything else. Holy faggot

>> No.23000551

>>23000539
Your back is against the wall. Your lack of response proves me right. You can't defend your position because your intelligence is too low to do so, and consequently you like the bitcher series. Checks out.

>> No.23000574

>>23000551
Calling something netflix isn't argument, just like calling someone low IQ because he enjoys something you got filtered by. You have no arguments, only hatred and deep insecurity

>> No.23000592

>>23000574
You are not on /v/, manchild. This tangent began with you seething over not seeing your soap opera garbage represented among games of an artistic bent. You enjoy that soap opera trash? Good for you. Go cry over at /v/ about that. In a thread that is about video games as art, we are going to discuss games that can be argued as art. Bitcher 3 is unartistic trash, whichever way you wanna look at it. Only incel gamers with no engagement with any other medium will argue otherwise. I am going to put it down if some faggot brings it up; and that's what I've done.

>> No.23000596

>>23000592
>You are not on /v/, manchild
Nigger you are literally crying about someone liking the witcher and calling it "the bitcher", don't act like you are making some sophisticated posts, even on fucking /v/ what you are doing would be considered a low quality shitpost

>> No.23000602

>>23000108
Dogshit game. Stopped playing an hour in. The world is uninteresting. Some drab eastern European town Idgaf about
Writing is pretentious in the worst way possible. Within minutes of playing the game i walked up to a npc who proceeded to spit out a wall of text talking about capitalism
Just unbearably cringy writing
>>23000230
Witcher 3 "writing":
>oh Geraldt sex me you are so strong i want to sex you
>sorry Trix that's not in my job description I've got some monsters to kill
Stunning stuff, simply amazing

>> No.23000617

>>23000108
Aren't you forgetting the game Disco Elysium owes a lot to, that being Planescape. Torment? Visiting Deionarra's sensory stone is still one of the most powerful and emotional moments in all of gaming.

>> No.23000618

>>23000602
Filtered.

>> No.23000622

I enjoyed Disco Elysium but it misses the point of gaming to call it art above much else. The artistry of games is in the mechanics, in the gameplay. The writing is secondary. It's like claiming The Social Network is great film because of the brilliant score over everything else.

>> No.23000623

>>23000596
All of it began with you crying how your soap opera trash isn't regarded as artistic, which it isn't. You are the most insecure of them all. Stfu and fuck off.
>shitpost
Ofc it went over your head. I have been saying it all along: you are low IQ

>> No.23000627

>>23000602
Absolutely no idea how anyone can even put across bitcher as an example of art. That shit is for the lowest common denominator fantasy movie watching audience. Even LOTR fans don't have that much delusion in them.

>> No.23000640

>>23000108
The Talos Principal was really good and overlooked. I'm not sure why that studio even made it because they could've done something more profitable with ease

>> No.23000645

>>23000592
>You are not on /v/, manchild.
That's where you should be with your retarded thread
>Go cry over at /v/
First - you're the one crying
Second - I don't go there, it's more suited to loser freaks like OP
>Bitcher 3 is unartistic trash
Simply filtered, you still can't get over it
>we are going to discuss games
No, we'll not. This is a literature board and this thread will soon be deleted when the jannie wakes up.
>I am going to put it down
put down the internet, loser
>>23000623
>you are low IQ
Once again you're proving us right with how insecure you are. You're the lowest IQ ITT, leave before further embarassment

>> No.23000646

>>23000640
That game really got a lot of praise for an indie title and redeemed Croteam for fucking up the last two Serious Sam games. Talos Principle 2 was also a modest hit, what are you on about it being overlooked?

>> No.23000660

Art:
>The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask
>Ico
>Shadow of the Colossus
>The Last Guardian
>Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty
>Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
>Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne
>Persona 5
>Final Fantasy VII
>Final Fantasy IX
>Resident Evil 4
>Dark Souls
>Elden Ring
>Muv-Luv Alternative
>Disco Elysium
>House in Fata Morgana
>999
>Virtue’s Last Reward
>Rain World
>Hollow Knight

Competitive sports:
>Starcraft II
>Age of Empires II
>Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike
>The King of Fighters XIII
>Guilty Gear XX Accent Core +R
>Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown


There, I just listed all the videogames that are worth playing.

>> No.23000664

>>23000108
>tranny elysium

>> No.23000665

>>23000108
>cringe "clever" dialogue
>faux coolness
>Reddit "intellectualism"
>ugly on purpose

>> No.23000674

>>23000660
lol

>> No.23000677

>>23000645
>noooo uuuuuu
Lol. It's like talking to a toddler and taking a piss about how Santa's not real. Look how this manchild writhes and cries
>"noooo u are low iq for not liking soap opera trash"
True detective is more artistic than bitcher, and true detective is art for genrefags who wouldn't know art if it dickslapped them in the face. Kill yourself.

>> No.23000680

>>23000660
Remove Elden ring for Bloodborne and remove MGS3 period. MGS3 is kojima pandering to video game fans again with none of the guile of MGS2.

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>>23000108
the amount of seethe generated by this post is incredible, it feels like 90% of the replies are bots. does it ruffle a few feathers considering they correctly make fun of both /his/prole phenoautists AND degenerate, witless BAPites of twitter?

>> No.23000733

>>23000602
>>23000326
>t. can't appreciate beautiful things
No, I will not enter a discussion - discussions about videogames are useless in nature and we're not children

>> No.23000746

>>23000733
>he thinks good graphics = beauty
Stay away from all discussions of art, pleb.

>> No.23000748

>>23000108
It's incredible just how much smoke people blow up this game's asshole. I have never seen any other game in the last decade get astroturfed harder than DE.

>> No.23000750

>>23000746
Yes, anything other than actual aesthetically pleasing beauty is jewish destruction of culture

>> No.23000752

>>23000748
Commies just shill it is all strategy with these fuckers, its not even a game just a VN

>> No.23000756

>>23000750
Horizon zero dawn is the most artistic game in your opinion?

>> No.23000760

>>23000752
>its not even a game just a VN
Why, because it moves a needless aspect of the RPG genre for its storytelling purposes, that being combat?

>> No.23000815

>>23000108
>DE is the first game to leave an imprsssion on those not already devoted to the medium.
You fucking pseud retard. This is not what makes something art. Clearly you don't give a shit about video games.

This is just a point-and-click adventure RPG hybrid. It's a pretty good one, but the "first work of great art" in video games? No, go fuck yourself. Genre-defining games like Civilization and Rust will be remembered better than this one.

>> No.23000828

>>23000815
Rust, out of all the fucking video games you can name, you decide to name Rust? Dude, what the actual fuck?