/lit/ - Literature

>>22989489
proud of you anon

>>22989489
>using word for serious editing
do /lit/wits really?

>>22989802
What do you use, poindexter?

text documents
they are easier to send, datamine, and manipulate. once you finish writing you can work on formatting in a separate piece of software.

>>22989489
Seems mind of boring

>>22989870

This is a particularly boring and descriptive section, but yes, I do fear it's a bit boring. In this second draft, I'm trying to cut fat and inject more drama, humour, etc. It's meant to be a meditation on men's mental health, modern masculinity and alienation. But I'll have to make it more lively.

>>22989869
whatever nerd. im not trying to be a software engineer; I'm just writing.

>>22989869
This is what happens when we let autistic STEM fags on this board. Enjoy your computer science degree, nerd. We'll stick to creating art

>>22990191
If this is your definition of art, then poojeets might as well be called artists.
The canvas and the brush matters.

Use Latex.

>>22990206
It’s words on a page I don’t think anyone will read his work and be like “hmmm these letters are 2 pixels to big and the font is slightly off because he used the wrong cyberding. Trash. I’m never reading this again!”

>>22989489

What's the idea behind putting a space between every paragraph? And no indentation?

>>22990235

I find it's easier to read. Makes the page feel less cramped with text. And I enjoy crafting paragraphs that feel like stand-alone works. I appreciate the paragraph more when it is its own little island of text.

>>22989489
Proud of you. I’ve never done anything like this.
Based on this lil excerpt, I would cut down on use of adverbs and similes. You don’t need the word “suddenly” there, and there are too many similes in such a short space for my taste.
That being said, way better than my writing. Keep it up :)

>>22990289

Hell yeah. Thanks anon. I agree, I need to cut it back.

>>22990339
jason you are one of the biggest faggots on this board but i have to admit that using comic sans as handwriting is kinda cute

>>22990358

Thank you, but I'm not Jason

>>22989869

This is all true, but not everybody is going to be able to use a text editor as there's a big learning curve.

>>22989870
>mind of boring
lol

>>22989489
seems decent. Nicely done, anon.

>read fantasy
>know fantasy
>write a "fantasy novel"
>revise it 20+ fucking times
>almost 80k words
>send it to agents known for fantasy
>actually read it
>the main character has gone through mk ultra brainwashing
>someone fucking melts from not taking precautions near an anomaly field/dissipated wormhole
>the n-word shows up like 15 times or more
I need to send this to cormac mcarthy type agents and not borderline young-adult people

>>22990690
you gotta pump those numbers up

>>22989489
>>22990101
I will unironically help you edit.
https://discord.gg/cJhHQ55r

>>22990706
I think the n-word count is fine. I might do an uncensored version, the censorship is a joke

>>22989854
Blessed C64 image!

>>22989854
>>22989802
>>22989869
>>22990372
I use Livingwriter... Like $10 a month and it is great.

>>22990358
Print edition of The Shitkickers uses Comics Sans in places*, the best font of all time!

*Or maybe it doesn't, I was high and drunk when I did the design. I can't remember now.

>>22990718
I sent about 1/10th of this figurative nightmare to a few different saps. Copyrighting the text may have been a mistake but at least I can throw it at people. I've never published anything outside of a shitty blog. It feels like making shit up as I going along, breaking rules and then thinking about where I fucked up.
This synopsis needs revision, looking at it again. The book itself is about how I want it to be except for a few details. But I'm fucking stumped as to how to market it or even what genre to call it. Maybe I should be up front about that.

>>22990101
Whatever you do, avoid using discord... that's where all the drama on this board comes from. Trust nobody from here.

>>22990758
Did you come up with this from doing drugs?

>>22990771
no

>>22990740
>chatGPT tab

>>22990740
>arial
>11
at least get a good font and close that chatgpt tab when you're taking a screenshot
make it look not retarded

>>22990758
Sounds like shit. Man, what a waste of time. At this point I'd just bury it in a harddrive somewhere and do your best to forget about it. Try to hold onto your dignity, sure hope you haven't told anybody you're close to irl about this.

>>22990740
>$120/year
>don't even get to keep it

>>22990796
I think it reads really well. The plot and narrative is coherent with a lot of foreshadowing and mystery. It's clearly not for everyone but it is quite an adventure.

>>22990740
Libreoffice is free and is capable of doing everything livingwriter does

>>22990830
I'd rather use Google Docs

>>22990830
Lmao dont.
Libreoffice messed up your font and you had to restart your entire pc to get back to normal. Use scrivener instead, I get the full version one from 1337x for free

>>22990675

Thanks, man.

>>22990690

80k for a fantasy novel isn't going to cut it. I wish I were in your shoes. My first draft was 125k of literary fiction—too long for an established author, let alone a debut. I'm mid-way through the 2nd draft and I've only got it down to 119k, while aiming for 100k or fewer. But for fantasy, 100k+ is the standard. 80k is where I'd like to be for literary fiction, ideally. But it's never going to happen with this manuscript.

>>22990718
>>22990706
>>22990690

Mine also has the n-word pop up like six or seven times in total. But it has its place. Used to illustrate the casual racism and degeneracy we encountered on our trip.

>>22990708

Thanks, might take you up on that.

>>22990759

Noted!

>>22990844
Why are you racist

Surprisingly decent.

>>22990841
that's a bad idea. gooble gobs will steal your screenplay and send it to hollywood. they will change the names of characters but the general plot outline and themes will stay the same. I would only ever write on open source software that has been independently autedid

>>22990844
shit, that last "Fuck that" is obviously spoken by Marcio, not Mauricio. Pic rel by the way.

>>22990844
I don't think this fucker should even be sold as "fantasy" but I still have a lot of details that could go in.
'It's the exact opposite of "Crime and Punishment"' I told them...

>>22990846

Respect

What would you do if you had a fucked up, short horror novel that read like the Joker from Batman wrote it?

>>22990872
kms

>>22990881
march into the sea

>>22990790
You haven't seen the new 4+ GPT's, have you?

>>22990787
Have you ever done drugs?
What is your "creative process" like and is there a time of day you are most creative?

>>22990793
>>22990807
>>22990830
Livingwriter is a great tool.

>>22990912
Yes I have done drugs but that was years ago. I'm glad for it as it provides a frame of reference. I read "Daily Rituals" by Mason Currey (just a collection of creative processes from various notable types) and the underlying theme for successful and long-lived people was that they would get up, eat breakfast, and before the distraction of a day got to them, they would just do whatever task they needed to without bother. Coffee helped me focus. If I didn't eat lunch then I would crash later on in the day.
Don't ask how I came up with these ideas in my book though. I read fantasy books. I did visit jail. I wrote.

>>22990939
>I did visit jail.
Tell us more!!!

I've only been in a drunk tank, and an immigration jail for a day. Also a jail in a 3rd world country for an hour because of a mix-up in paperwork.

>>22990939
>underlying theme for successful and long-lived people was that they would get up, eat breakfast, and before the distraction of a day got to them, they would just do whatever task they needed to without bother.
All my best work is done right after I wake up and have a coffee and breakfast, once I have lunch and put normal pants on, the creativity hits reality and I need to go and do shit, usually, depending on if I have a job/gigs/nightshift.

>>22990942
The drunk tank is usually in a police station, for short stays. I went to the larger holding facility. I heard on the radio earlier this week that the inmates there consider it a very nice jail all things considered. Personally, breakfast at 4:30 AM is a touch early for me.

>>22990960
What were you there for? Were you guilty? Did you have any conflict inside? Did anyone you meet have a shank?

When I was in the drunk tank, one of the cops didn't do a very good job of checking the Indian (feather not dot) guy, and he took his belt off(not supposed to have belts)and swung it around and tried to whip some other Indian guy in there with it, so the cops had to come in and break up the fight. I ended up talking about steaks with some guy for like 5 hours. Everyone else was just sleeping.

>>22990986
I got off totally free actually. One guy punched me in the mouth because we were playing basketball and he kept rushing me. He got dragged away so fast.

>>22990998
Nice!

Just be prepared for your work to, eventually, get attacked pretty hard. We call them "crabs" around these parts. Don't take it personally.

>>22990915
Too bad it fell into the hands of an amateur

>>22991087
Damn... got me again!

Aren't you the guy who was working on this years ago?

>>22989489
Needs more hos

What's this new double line paragraph formatting trend? You want more pages with fewer words?

>>22992014

>>22989489
>>22990101
>>22990101
Very impresive Jason. The second edition is a huge improvement. I know Ive made fun of you a lot on here but its genuinely impressive to see you sticking to your work and honing your craft. We could all learn something frm you

>>22992069
>We could all learn something frm you

like what?

>>22992069
>>22992078
Yo... this crab knows it ain't Jason, he's working some crab magic here.

I sense the crabs are cooking something up, and it ain't garlic and butter. Be careful.

>>22992069

My name's Liam, but I appreciate it.

>>22991918

There are some hos here and there. There's like a little romantic arc over a period of a week that I fumble about mid-way through.

>>22992014

It's just cleaner and makes each paragraph feel like its own little standalone art. Assuming this goes anywhere, the editor would likely stamp it out anyway.

>>22991759

Yeah, been chipping away since 2020

>>22989489
Your style is too try-hard for my taste, sorry anon.

>>22993173

That's ok

>>22990206
>The canvas and the brush matters.
What a terrible analogy.

>>22989489
How did you publish your first, anon? I'm on my way to publishing my first novel in English but I'm an ESL so I don't really know if it's worth it.

holy crap that's a lotta feedback

>>22994134

I didn't publish my first draft - that's not what a first draft is for. You publish your finished product. Which, in my case, is still likely a year away.

flower corporation is warping all faggot from /lit/ into mince machines

>>22994387

What's that supposed to mean?

>>22994156
mostly bots lad

op is clearly real cause he took 'use the active voice' literally and is using it in setting descriptions when he should be using copulas and passive

>>22994374
Sorry. thought it was the first draft of your second novel. If you can get a good editor it can be like a miracle worker. Good luck anon.

>>22990206
>the canvas and the brush matters
OP has a canvas and a brush and THAT’S all that matters

>screenshots
no one wants to 'steal' your shitty writing.
and less than ten sentences in and you're already bringing in some boring harpy named 'donna' (total cunt name) who is obviously going to moralize and deball the protagonist to match your lack of testicles in reality.
I really dont know whats going on (a whole page went by and nothing happened at all) but
I do know you should take a morning star to the face already
this is pablum

you write like a fucking faggot and it makes me sick inside
at first I thought you had to be a woman because no one actually writes this toothlessly but them, but your comments project al lthe insecurities of an incel so it can't be that
you've allowed them to shape your entire thought apparatus into the shape of a drooping pussy
fuck, mishima would kill himself again if he read two lines of this

>>22989489


PROLIX & BANAL; CONVENTIONAL IN FORM, AND IN CONTENT.

«WHOMEVER», NOT «WHOEVER».

>>22996378
you're even more tedious than he is shut the fuck up
both of you belong in a fucking meat grinder

>>22989489
I'm sure Unreal Press will publish it (if it's decent)

>>22996415
dogshit for the dogshit pit, seems like the right place for it.

>>22996348
>>22996374
simply love to have a normal one on /lit/

>>22996378

Thanks for the feedback, brother

>>22989489
Good for you OP. I'm almost done with my first draft over here :)