/lit/ - Literature

>>22738012
Based

>>22738012
>new gods
Like the comic books?

Why can't you just attempt to refute Nietzsche or ignore him instead of trying to adopt him into a Christian worldview? It's incoherent pseudery, and the only reason you do so is because you understand he's intrinsically correct - which is funny, because many other schools of philosophy can hold legitimate grievances with Nietzscheanism and go their own separate path without pretending to be Nietzscheans by doing so.

>>22738023
What are you spazzing out about?

>>22738026
I'm saying I'd like to beat the shit out of you, dumbfuck.

Why are neechcels so angry?

>>22738028
I'm not a Nietzschean.

>>22738012
Sounds like Nietzsche has you rent free.

>>22738023
nta but it’s because christcucks make the common mistake of trying to contextualize Nietzsche’s philosophy outside of a vacuum. this leads them to over estimate the utility of history, literature, and prior philosophy in explicating new ideas, like Nietzsche’s in this case. the work itself, in its essence, doesn’t even belong to Nietzsche insofar as it’s a bunch of words on a page that you have to figure out without the ghost of the man who wrote it. it’s complex to explain, but I’m sure you agree

>>22738036
>nta but it’s because christcucks

>>22738023
Nietzsche respected Christ as "the only Christian" and someone who revaluated values. It's likely that Nietzsche himself accept the mercy of Christ on his death bed.

The new ressurected body is the same idea as the Übermensch.

>>22738042
>Nietzsche respected Christ as "the only Christian" and someone who revaluated values.
In a sense.
>It's likely that Nietzsche himself accept the mercy of Christ on his death bed.
Holy shit stfu.

>>22738042
who cares about what this scumbag with weird moustache believe

>>22738046
Because Christians need copium.

>>22738049
why you seethe about Christians so much?

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>>22738056
hahhahahah naive
you are retard

>>22738057

I think Nietzsche went too far in his rebellion and aggression in an emotional sense, that can't be good for your wellbeing.

>>22738060
I like this one.

>>22738041
yeah whatever, maybe someday you’ll learn how to transcend reading fundamental works of literature and philosophy to inform your worldview and opinions. I have. actually you know what? there’s actually an enlightenment train leaving the cosmic station of my mind heading straight for total consciousness. I’m gonna jump on. heh, I’d offer to take you with me on this next trek into self-spawned rational awakening, but you’re probably to busy READING and LEARNING shit I stumble upon between sips of yerba mate. sorry kid. get a ticket next time.

>>22738073
B A S E D

>>22738073
if you learned anything you won't post this photos, scumbag like you are here for run not enlightenment

>>22738012
Is this a high school philosophy class? You have to be a retard at this point to think Nietzsche’s “God is dead” statement is a celebration rather than a lamentation. God is dead, and we killed him. But rather than try to revive the dead Nietzsche offers a new solution. That’s the whole point. He’s supposed to be like a prophet.

>>22738085
that's what she says

>>22738076
okay we, as atheists, DONT need infighting rn. I’m the only fucking defender of secular logic and reason ITT that has actually put forth an intellectual and independent-minded heuristic capable of embarrassing the sky daddy cultists. if you aren’t smart enough to intuit my simple directions and create your own organic soul-oracle of facts and evidence then you’re no better than these e-Christians trying to decipher Nietzsche through pedantic texts. you are so much more brave than you know. I am literally grinning at my monitor thinking of your secular potential. I can feel it. one last chance big guy, come aboard the enlightenment express. I saved a seat for you.

>>22738012
Wagner knew the only hope was Christ, as his message on this earth has not yet been fulfilled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXItznePeFI

>For me Christianity has not yet arrived, and I am like the early Christians, awaiting Christ's return.
- Cosima's Diaries

>Indisputably the instinct of preservation is stronger than one commonly supposes: the Roman Empire maintained itself in a state of dissolution for half a thousand years. The period of two-thousand years, which great historic civilisations have hitherto covered in their evolution from barbarism back to barbarism, would carry ourselves to somewhere about the middle of the next millennium. Can one imagine the state of barbarism at which we shall have arrived, if our social system continues for another six-hundred years or so in the footsteps of the declining Roman world-dominion? I believe that the Saviour's second advent, expected by the earliest Christians in their lifetime, and later cherished as a mystic dogma, might have a meaning for that future date, and perchance amid occurrences not totally unlike those sketched in the Apocalypse. For, in the conceivable event of a relapse of our whole Culture into barbarism, we may take one thing for granted: namely, that our Historical science, our criticism and chemistry of knowledge would also have come to end; whilst it may be hoped, on the contrary, that Theology would by then have come to a final agreement with the Gospels, and the free understanding of Revelation be opened to us without Jehovaistic subtleties—for which event the Saviour promised us his coming back.
>And this would inaugurate a genuine popularisation of the deepest Knowledge. In this or that way to prepare the ground for cure of ills inevitable in the evolution of the human race—much as Schiller's conception of the Maid of Orleans foreran its confirmation by historical documents—might fitly be the mission of a true Art appealing to the Folk itself, to the Folk in its noblest, and at present its ideal sense. Again, to even now prepare the ground for such an Art, sublimely popular, and at all times so to prepare it that the links of oldest and of noblest art shall never wholly sunder, our instant efforts may not seem altogether futile. In any case, to such works of art alone can we ascribe ennobling Popularity; and none save this dreamt-of Popularity can react on the creations of the present, uplifting them above the commonness of what is known to-day as popular favour.
- Public and Popularity

OSHO,

YOU SAY CHRIST WAS THE LAST CHRISTIAN. ARE YOU THE LAST RAJNEESHEE? PLEASE EXPLAIN.

IT was not me who said that Christ was the last Christian. I was simply quoting Friedrich Nietzsche; it was Nietzsche who made that statement. In a certain sense Nietzsche is absolutely right, because in this world no individual is ever repeated.

The uniqueness of the individual is absolute.

Not only in contemporary times is nobody like you; in the whole of eternity there is never going to be a person like you again. There has never been a person like you before. You are simply you, incomparable.

Hence I support Nietzsche's statement in this sense, that the last Christian was crucified two thousand years ago. But I would like to add something more to it.

First: Jesus was not only the last Christian, he was also the first Christian - the first and the last Christian.

But this is only one sense of the statement. In other ways I am not in agreement with it, because as far as the word Christian is concerned - Jesus never even heard the word.

He was born a Jew, he lived as a Jew; he tried his whole life to prove himself to be a real Jew. In fact he was crucified because he was trying to prove himself to be a Jewish messiah. He had never heard the words christ or christian because he knew no Greek, no Latin; he knew only Aramaic and a little bit of Hebrew. And both languages have the word messiah, but christ is a Greek translation of the word messiah.

The word christ came into existence after Jesus, after three hundred years had passed; and out of the word christ comes christian. Slowly people completely forgot that poor Christ had no idea that he would be called Christ and his followers, Christians.

>>22738012
Kind of how I see it. Kinda.

>>22738023
Because mostly Nietzscheans in academia tend towards agnosticism or atheism and philosophy has to evolve eventually, opening up new portals of knowledge or perspectives.

>>22738041
Correct, there are certain kinds of people who only understand violence as a language. I’d name those groups but it’s redundant.

>>22738108
She looks cute. Too bad an atheist posted her.

>>22738133
oh hey, yeah I’m already back from my last trip. how about you chew on this metaphysical quandary I just conjured up using my own axiomatic rhetorical calculus: I am not an atheist. if you were a GATE student in elementary school like I was, you’re probably telling yourself “but he literally just said he was an atheist in his last post?” well during my last trip on the enlightenment train I was finally able to abstract a personal data-based holodeck. after I psychically banged that qt3.14 in the picrel of my last post, she asked if I could take it easy on you for her. crazy kid.. anyway I’m gonna try to have a heart to heart you instead of quibbling over theism (boring once you’re bold enough pursue science)

so here it is: I'm not a professional 'quote maker'. I'm just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact over any silly fiction book written 3,500 years ago. this being said, I am open to any and all criticism.

'In this moment, I am euphoric. not because of any phony god's blessing. but because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.

think about that man, peace

>>22738152
>I am enlightened by my intelligence.
you lack wisdom

>>22738108
>atheists
scumbags
you will never win and you didn't piss us off at all, you are merely a weak women for entertainment

>>22738152
Meds. I’m not reading that.

>>22738012
>In other words, Nietzsche was not purely in favor of atheism but was lamenting that we currently do not have a god.
In that same passage, he also asks the question: should we not become gods ourselves now? So no, he wasn't "purely in favor of atheism," but he also thought 1) atheism was the inevitable next step, the evolution of belief, and 2) that the step after atheism was egotheism, belief in the self, belief in the overman (which is a bottom-up biological construct, not a top-down metaphysical ideal) and the earth.

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>>22738275
best catch I’ve had all week. thanks for playing boys. another thought train is pulling into my mind’s station of secular rational reflection rn. think I might hop on and self-discover some new field of quantum computing in the dining car of this enlightenment express. might even thought-cast myself banging one of the cocktail waitress into your next dreams. wanna come with? hah, psyche. have fun reading old books and shit chompsky honks.

>>22738347
literally what you are saying is mambo gambo doesn't make any sense and you call yourself intelligent, just some uncomprehensible words slashing together

JESUS

>>22738108
You are a piece of shit

>>22738023
christianity always has to borrow its theology, they started with Judaism and then mixed in Hellenism; now the debate appears to be between adopting secular humanism (rainbow tiktok pastors) or this pseudo "Nietzscheanism" (reactionary christlarpers pretending to be medieval and assuming "might is right" comes from Nietzsche, and that a muscular christianity would receive his endorsement) since genuine theology (grounding values in speculation about god) is discredited

>>22738042
>The new ressurected body is the same idea as the Übermensch.
typical christological schizo utterances, good luck trying to co-opt an author who considered you a nihilistic subhuman

>>22738012
God can't be dead since he never existed

>>22738248
>Atheists will never win
We're winning all the time. Childish god belief is on the way out.

>>22739344
In the USA sure but worldwide Christianity and Islam will continue to grow(supposedly) from 54% to 60% of the world pop and with the nonreligious going from around 16% to 13% of the world pop by 2050. The nonreligious will always be outbred.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2015/04/02/religious-projections-2010-2050/

>>22739399
for good reasons
nonreligious will soon convert the moment they realize how weak their arguments are and realize the great design of good

>>22738012
Seems obvious even within the limited context given by the quote

>>22738012
Why does that matter? If you don't do the christian pieties you're going to hell anyway.
the only reason to believe in the jewish death god and his avatar is so that he doesn't sent you to the lake of fire. that's what I do, anyway.

>>22739843
*send

>>22739843
you should care about being saved more...

>>22739849
I do care very much, that's why I believe in the death god and his so-called sacrifice on the cross and I pay the proper dues. Now, if you say that I must also believe that he is good, I will think that you're just insulting my intelligence. Luckily, that's not really necessary and I have no problem worshipping an amoral or even evil god, as long as he keeps his side of the bargain.

>>22739944
that's not how you get saved, God is able to investigate your heart clearly, your thoughts too is visible to him

>>22739952
I thought I was being transparent here.
There is a god, a jewish god who is responsible for many a thing. I could call him the jewish god of life, but I'm already alive - against my own wishes, I must add. I'm more interested in death and he's also the god of death, so I buy into his deal: I have faith is his new covenant and the sacrifice of his avatar; I pay my dues and I follow his menial demand of behavior. In exchange, the jewish death god will not throw me in the lake of fire when I'm dead. I have no problem with that. He's all-powerful anyway, so me having a problem with that wouldn't make any difference to the issue that I would be thrown into the lake of fire.
Whether you want to call him all-merciful and all-good for offering me respite against his own designs is your thing. I'm fine with pure fear and prostration. I'm just a puny human.

>>22739399
>Religion can only succeed by having more children and indoctrinating them
You guys are really just coming out and saying it now, huh? But, again, you are wrong. With more free flow of information and perspectives, religion becomes more and more outdated and irrelevant. Look at any Muslim immigrants to the west, their kids drop their faith to a massive degree, and the generation after that could hardly even be called Muslims they get so Liberalized. Atheism is more in line with the truth, thus it will always win in the end, and this is true categorically since you are an Atheist in regard to literally every God claim in the world except for the one you have chosen to adopt. It's not much farther to go to disbelieve one more God.

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>>22739993
christ be with you brother

>>22740088
Thank you. I hope I have not offended you.

>>22740032
>religion becomes more and more outdated and irrelevant

>>22741242
Believing in the God of the Bible or Allah as presented in the Koran is beyond delusional. The slightest degree of critical thinking reveals them to be badly rendered constructs engineered by the human mind to fulfill the role of an external super ego.

>>22738041
You won't do shit. Christians are just pathetic, spineless pussies who sit there all day letting their religion get attacked without lifting a finger. Muslims attack churches and kikes mock Christianity openly every single day, yet none of you will ever take action to stop it because you're all passive slave faggots.

>>22738042
Nigga just read the Antichrist. Like yeah, he reevaluated all values... how? Did he do it? Do you remember what's the judgement of Nietzsche on that reevaluation?
Christians who try to christianize Nietzsche are as cucked and delusional as leftists who try to turn Nietzsche into some sort of anti-oppression anarchist.

>>22739843
Christ: Let me in!
Me: Why?
Christ: So I can save you!
Me: Save me from what?
Christ: From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in.

>>22739344
Not the own you think it is. With that, birth rates will plummet

>>22741452
Christians will have more sex than you

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>>22741648
What an argument!

>>22741652
Arguments is for losers, i would rather split your face in half by my holy sword

>>22741654
Sodomy is a sin anon.

>>22741660
Killing blasphemers is a holy order

>>22741666
I'm only joshing you anon, good on you for having faith in this faithless world. May your God, or any for that matter, bless you, regardless of what I believe.

>>22738691
Ironic considering Nietzsche lived a life of a subhuman

>>22738670
It’s just a reaction to degenerate behavior I endorse

>>22741666
>those digits
Damn

>>22741654
>LARPs as a christian
>Still defends Nietzsche
Just give up

>>22741690
The only negative aspect of Nietzsche's life was his health, apart from that his life was quite desireable

>>22741718
Weak of body; weak of mind.

>>22741690
>another day, another dipshit who doesn't know who he's dealing with

still can't back up that first claim

>>22738012
Nietzsche wasn't an atheist. He knew the necessity of religion. However, he did notice that Christianity was dead, which led him to say that "God is dead." He was right in what he said.

>>22741666
these digits lie

>>22741909
Christianity was alive

we need a /niezsche/ to quarantine the teenagers that treat philosophy like console wars