/lit/ - Literature

have you thought Nietzsche would've wanted you to take your meds?

>>22716837
how come he didn't take them himself?

>>22716810
unpost this image

>>22716810
He said that you, who are not an aristocrat of the spirit, must stop working yourself up with these matters and leave the thinking and doing for the real elite

>>22716810
This really is the art of the man of tomorrow. The future is looking bright. Can't wait to see this gem on a 35$ coffee cup in the MoMA gift shop one day.

>>22716870
These are victorian politics, put down the books and go outside

>>22716810
Nietzsche should just have a stickied general at this point

>>22717062

>>22717062
It isnt. The real nietzscheans are jeffrey epstein and bill gates

>>22717170
Money counting and getting suicided in jail are life-affirming acts?

Some people were born to be worker drones and serfs and giving them full personhood only causes them pain.
Aka the worse you treat the poor and the fewer rights they have the happier they are and the healthier society is.

>>22716810
Imagine being Wagner and having to tolerate this dolt in your house

>>22716810
The increasing quality of life produced by the industrail revolution and the affording of political rights to the average man, the worker, has made the worker come to expect an ever increasing standard of living.
The worker is no longer content to be a worker, a slave, but desires ever more: more stuff, more things, and finally to be the ones in charge.
By formulating his existence as a problem, a "question", his existence and station in society becomes questionable. The worker becomes conscience of what he lacks, and ceases to be a proper, good worker.
Put more plainly, he's basically arguing against socialism, as well as the liberal expansion of education and political rights to the common man.

Sounds like the ideas of a man who was handed everything in life and still never got laid and went mad

>>22716810
Europeans disgraced their worker class by educating them in ways which made them hate themselves. Asians handled the transition to techno-global capitalism better, reforming their slave class into a worker class that instinctively felt their condition to be virtuous and necessary in society, which made them a happier, more productive lot. The European worker, in contrast, is a depressed, rebellious slob who feels as if he's expendable and worthless and as if there is no point to life if you can't live like the king.

>>22716810
What the fuck is that image?

>>22718643
Leftoid cope

>>22718643
He wasn't that well-off tbf. He was ashamed of his ancestry that's why he claimed he descended from nobles without evidence.

>>22718714
I can promise you Chinese workers today, 20 years ago, 50 years ago, and 100 years ago were not happy.

>>22718714
Europeans are correct though, only the lives of the ruling class matter, and anyone should aspire to improve their station in life, to change from slave to master. Soulless chinks and brownoids lack the animating spirit and force of will to mold the world to their desires. All they will ever do with their lives is try to acquire material resources for their own hedonistic pleasure, more akin to an animal then man. They lack any insight unlike the European master race, titans granted dominion over the world and nature itself by God, to do with it as they please, change it and bend it to their will. Truly it will be a deathknell for humanity if the hylic browns ever take control of Earth with their overwhelming numbers. They will doom us all to an eternally stagnant world, filled with their verminois ilk. Truly a fate worst then death.

>>22718885
I cringed reading this, you're making us Europeans look bad.

>>22718885
>only the lives of the ruling class matter
only the lives of thinkers and criminals matter

"Free-doers and Free-thinkers.—Compared with free-thinkers, free-doers are at a disadvantage, because it is evident that men suffer more from the consequences of actions than of thoughts. If we remember, however, that both seek their own satisfaction, and that free-thinkers have already found their satisfaction in reflection upon and utterance of forbidden things, there is no difference in the motives; but in respect of the consequences the issue will be decided against the free-thinker, provided that it be not judged from the most superficial and vulgar external appearance, i.e. not as every one would judge it. We must make up for a good deal of the calumny with which men have covered all those who have, by their actions, broken away from the authority of some custom—they are generally called criminals. Every one who has hitherto overthrown a law of established morality has always at first been considered as a wicked man: but when it was afterwards found impossible to re-establish the law, and people gradually became accustomed to the change, the epithet was changed by slow degrees. History deals almost exclusively with these wicked men, who later on came to be recognised as good men."

>>22718885
>only the lives of the ruling class matter,
Show us your mansion

>>22718744
Neetch is the ultimate lefty author. What are you on about?

>>22718756
He was well enough off to never work a day in his life. You will notice that effeminate academic types hate nothing more than an honest days work. Even the ones that “advocate” for workers see labor as something they would never touch.

>>22719501
I think he received a pension from his university. And he had rich friends.

>>22719501
>He was well enough off to never work a day in his life
Prior to that (getting permanent pension due to poor health), he had to give lectures at the university. And the german educational system at that time implied that you are payed via student's lecture attendance fee.
So, basically living off scrapes.

>>22716810
idk what nietzsche meant because i didn't read ur long ass post
maybe if you give me like a 5 word summary i'll come up with something idk

>>22717208
As much as going mad from seeing a horse getting flogged and spending the rest of your life bedridden in the charge of your sister.

>>22717170
>The real nietzscheans are
Goethe, Napoleon, Buddha, Cesare Borgia

>>22719574
>Buddha
What a retarded take.

>>22719583
Zarathustra, 4th part, chapter "The Voluntary Beggar"
So, definitely one of his Higher Men archetypes.

>>22719599
Nietzsche talks about Buddhism, no need to pilpul.

>>22716810
The great masses of people are worthless but European technology and "modern ideas" of equality have them convinced they deserve to be more than just NPC cattle, and that's not good.

>>22719501
>He was well enough off to never work a day in his life.
Yeah, well, thank God. If Nietzsche and Schopenhauer didn't get lucky with rich friends and a big inheritance respectively, we wouldn't have their philosophy. Just goes to show that it is indeed cruel to not breed a class of aristocrats who can carry society forward while an underclass does the labor.

>>22719648
Name one way Nietzsche moved society forward.

>>22719659
>Early twentieth-century thinkers who read or were influenced by Nietzsche include: philosophers Martin Heidegger, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Ernst Jünger, Theodor Adorno, Georg Brandes, Martin Buber, Karl Jaspers, Henri Bergson, Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, Leo Strauss, Michel Foucault, Julius Evola, Emil Cioran, Miguel de Unamuno, Lev Shestov, Ayn Rand, José Ortega y Gasset, Rudolf Steiner and Muhammad Iqbal; sociologists Ferdinand Tönnies and Max Weber; composers Richard Strauss, Alexander Scriabin, Gustav Mahler, and Frederick Delius; historians Oswald Spengler, Fernand Braudel[45] and Paul Veyne, theologians Paul Tillich and Thomas J.J. Altizer; the occultists Aleister Crowley and Erwin Neutzsky-Wulff. Novelists Franz Kafka, Joseph Conrad, Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse, Charles Bukowski, André Malraux, Nikos Kazantzakis, André Gide, Knut Hamsun, August Strindberg, James Joyce, D. H. Lawrence, Vladimir Bartol and Pío Baroja; psychologists Sigmund Freud, Otto Gross, C. G. Jung, Alfred Adler, Abraham Maslow, Carl Rogers, Rollo May and Kazimierz Dąbrowski; poets John Davidson, Rainer Maria Rilke, Wallace Stevens and William Butler Yeats; painters Salvador Dalí, Wassily Kandinsky, Pablo Picasso, Mark Rothko; playwrights George Bernard Shaw, Antonin Artaud, August Strindberg, and Eugene O'Neill; and authors H. P. Lovecraft, Olaf Stapledon, Menno ter Braak, Richard Wright, Robert E. Howard, and Jack London. American writer H. L. Mencken avidly read and translated Nietzsche's works and has gained the sobriquet "the American Nietzsche".
>Thomas Mann's essays mention Nietzsche with respect and even adoration
>World War I was called at the time "Nietzsche in action", as well as the "Euro-Nietzschean" or "Anglo-Nietzschean" war, where national sentiment overcame Christian and Socialist ideals.
>According to the philosopher René Girard,[47] Nietzsche's greatest political legacy lies in his 20th-century French interpreters, among them Georges Bataille, Pierre Klossowski, Michel Foucault, Gilles Deleuze (and Félix Guattari), and Jacques Derrida.

>>22719673
Yeah everyone knows that. I personally just don't think that French leftist philosophy moved us forward in any way.

>>22719698
You posted your question in such bad faith that no answer would satisfy you anyway, and also you conveniently ignore all the artists, writers, and composers mentioned.

>>22719659
>"name one thing"
>gets a huge list of names who are all influential in their own right across all cultural domains
>"everyone knows that dude plus who likes French philosophy??? lmao"

>>22719711
It wasn't in bad faith. Do you find it inconceivable that a (pseudo-)philosopher might have had a negative influence? I could do without those artists & the world wars, French tranny philosophy etc. .

>>22719716
I don't find it inconceivable but I can't shake the feeling that I'd prefer to live in the universe where the Nietzscheans won World War II. Plus I like quite lot of artists on that list, so I'm thankful for that.

>>22719715
I wasn't inquiring about influence but about ways in which N's philosophy moved society foward as that anon claimed. Low IQ if you're unable to make that very simple distinction.
The last 150 years of European history were an umitigated disaster.
>>22719721
I'd prefer a century without insane wars.

>>22719729
>I'd prefer a century without insane wars.
You can't seriously imply that without Nietzsche the world wars wouldn't have happened. The political and economic realities would've lead to conflict anyway, the start of WWI had nothing to do with Nietzsche (even if troops were made to read TSZ which they didn't understand anyway), and in the aftermath of that, something like WW2 was bound to happen. Whether Mussolini and Hitler had read Nietzsche or not. Plus some ideology like Social Darwinism would've happened without Nietzsche too, even if he did have a hand in prefiguring the movement.

>>22719747
>You can't seriously imply that without Nietzsche the world wars wouldn't have happened.
I wasn't, but better philosophers could perhaps prevented them.
Again, if you think influence is a measure of quality you must love Marx & Engels.

>>22719758
>Again, if you think influence is a measure of quality you must love Marx & Engels.
I don't think that influence is a measure of quality. But I do happen to enjoy many of the artists who took direct inspiration from Nietzsche and who probably wouldn't have created their art in the way they did, if Nietzsche hadn't existed. Scriabin and Rilke are good enough to make my point, but I posted an entire list to choose from.
When you say Marx, and his influence on art, I immediately think of people like Bertold Brecht whom I believe completely ruined theater. So no, I don't equate those things. But Nietzsche influenced Hesse, and I like Hesse. So yeah.

>>22719769
Many more indubitably great artists & scientists were sympathetic to marxism. That doesn't mean marxism wasn't a cancerous doctrine that ruined every place it touched.

>>22719673
He moved society forward by….inspiring more homo writers. Isn’t his whole thing about how intellectualism and moralizing are bad and anti-life?

>>22716810
He went from this to straight calling the importation of labor from other countries in Dawn of Day.

>>22719673
>lots of other tards were influenced by this tard!
Doesn't mean anything

>>22718885
>Europeans are correct though, only the lives of the ruling class matter
No, this is moronic.

>anyone should aspire to improve their station in life, to change from slave to master
You are one or the other not because of your social standing but because of your nature. There is no changing from one to the other. Prometheus remained a god even while bound in chains, and a slave remains a slave in heart and mind even when freed from his.

>>22720588
Even in ancient times most slaves were captured in war, which is why Aristotle himself had reservations about the institution.

>>22719659
He strongly influenced the cultural development of the United States in the 20th century, which has influenced the rest of the world since. He also played a significant role in developing modern therapy, and his role in quantum science is yet to be fully realized outside of the philosophical community (and probably never will be, since people outside this community don't read or grasp philosophy). This millennium is going to be a Nietzschean one; the Platonist one (which includes Christianity) is coming to an end.

>>22720619
>America and therapy
He asked for an example of society moving forward

>>22720628
>le goalpost moving faggot face

>>22716810
Clearly, he meant that there was a chance for the peasant to learn and adopt a passive contentedness with his existence which was ruined by the fact that European states roused them into action and agency by things like military service.
If we were to get retarded analyzing this, other interpretations can arise:
>Nietzche is manifesting the age-old hatred minor nobility has for the concept of new men joining their ranks. Then essentially whining, they aren't good serfs who don't rock the boat like the Chinese, like a powerless worm. Which does not look good for Nietzche, obviously.

>>22721666
>Which does not look good for Nietzche, obviously.
Why doesn't it? Not that this interpretation is entirely accurate. Nietzsche was a biological determinist with a rather unique ontological view, so his epistemological view was that one's capacity for insight is tied to one's capacity for knowledge, which is biologically derived, which means some minds are built for deeper insight and some aren't (also Kant's view), which means trying to teach all minds agency or "enlightenment" is actually an act of abuse towards nature.

>>22722138
The traditonal class structure in Europe didn't necessarily select for intellect among the elites (not that Nietzsche said this was absolutely desirable). The nationalist & socialist revolts were partly motivated by people's feeling that they were being ruled by imbeciles.

>>22722155
>The nationalist & socialist revolts were partly motivated by people's feeling that they were being ruled by imbeciles.
Right, which is what Nietzsche was addressing in the OP quote, albeit from a different angle. He was saying that the European worker class was over-educated, basically. They weren't smarter, or more self-sufficient, but they had been taught to feel themselves as such. His critique of feminism is similar in that he saw it as a misappropriation of nature and an instruction towards women to not be themselves.

>>22722188
>They weren't smarter, or more self-sufficient
Are you sure?

>>22722190
IIRC Nietzsche himself asserted that the slaves tended to be more intelligent & resourceful than the masters.

>>22722190
Well, do you think the children of that worker class are any happier today due to their ancestors' efforts to afford them more rights?
>inb4 "real X has never been tried" tier retort

>>22722215
Nietzsche isn't interested in the happiness of the workers.

>>22722219
I know that. I'm pointing out that they aren't happier, but are in fact more depressed, to demonstrate that the worker class wasn't smarter or more self-sufficient. They had been over-educated and fooled into believing such a thing, and they consequently made life worse for themselves.

>>22722221
You seem confused. Intelligence and happiness are different things. What Nietzsche is talking about here is the potential danger to the elite that emanates from a more educated working class (debatable if thats actually the case I suppose).

>>22722230
Nietzsche isn't concerned with the happiness of the worker class, but he himself points out that they are on the road to increasing unhappiness due to their over-education, which will in turn destroy Europe, since it'll be tantamount to destroying its worker class. He was against universal literacy for this reason.

>>22722260
You were talking about the biologically determined capacity for insight earlier. Dishonest.
Everyone knows that it wasn't necessarily in the class interest of the traditional aristocracy to have educated peasants & workers.

>>22722272
>Dishonest.
How, exactly? I haven't contradicted that.

>Everyone knows that it wasn't necessarily in the class interest of the traditional aristocracy to have educated peasants & workers.
Or in the interest of the worker class, as is demonstrated by increasing rates of depression and suicide in the modern world. You're either built for freedom, or you're not; it's not something that can be learned.

>>22722277
For your contrived argument to work you need to make the assumption that inhabitants of modern liberal democracies are unhappier than, for instance, feudal peasants.
I don't believe that for a second.

>>22722281
>I don't believe that for a second.
Except they obviously are. Do you think workers who are conditioned to take pride in their work are really unhappier than "liberated" people who are incapable of managing the new responsibilities that necessarily come with new freedoms, but who have to take on those responsibilities anyway? Freedom is not simply having the luxury to eat, sleep, and fuck as yo please, it comes with greater social responsibility, which the genetic type of the old worker class simply wasn't built for, hence the modern need for therapy, antidepressants, and various mental illness and suicide prevention institutions.

>>22722286
>Except they obviously are.
Citation needed.

>>22722291
>the modern need for therapy, antidepressants, and various mental illness and suicide prevention institutions.

>>22722294
I know that might be surprising to you, but feudal peasants didn't have access to these, and the feudal lords weren't too concerned with their subjects' mental health.

First thing I’ve read from this edge lord in a while that I agree with.

>>22722304
Neither were the subjects…

Mental trauma and mental health therapy arises with industrialization

>>22722304
There was less demand for them then, and the further back we go and closer to early tribalism we get, the lower the demand becomes. As tribes become homogenized, i.e. globalism progresses (a course which took root thousands of years ago, starting with the Greeks), religion and therapy (both sedatives for the mentally ill) become more necessary, since with greater freedom comes greater responsibility, and the masses aren't built for greater responsibility.

>>22722316
>There was less demand for them then, and the further back we go and closer to early tribalism we get, the lower the demand becomes.
Nice headcanon.Meanwhile in reality:

>>22722316
We have far less freedom now than at any point before. People need therapy because we are enslaved and everyone knows it

>>22722330
Not even close

>>22722328
>visualcapitalist.com
Gee, I wonder what was the point of this "survey"?

>>22722330
>We have far less freedom now than at any point before
lol

>>22722334
>>22722344
You say this as you type on a device that is programmed to capture as much information about you as possible and influence your decisions. Just because you can choose between ten brands of cereal at the grocery store doesn’t mean you have any real freedom at all.

>>22722138
>Why does it?
You could interpret Nietzche is just whinning impotently here, lamenting the commoners of his time aren't good little passive chinamen and cause trouble for the nobility.
My interpretation (which I don't necessarily believe in, just a thing I spun to start conversation) is of course not absolute.
>which means some minds are built for deeper insight and some aren't (also Kant's view), which means trying to teach all minds agency or "enlightenment" is actually an act of abuse towards nature.
An eloquently put argument from nature, but this is a prescription of nature that rather conspicously benefits him.

Basically a bunch of fags said "wahh I don't want to work" and somehow thought that needing to work for a living is a great conspiracy. They think that crops grow themselves and that houses magically spawn into existence

>>22722328
You realize the countries in purple/red aren't feudal/tribal but nearly every country on your map is capitalist?

>>22716810
Why is there a Pelican?

>>22720588
do you consider yourself slave or master

>>22723882
Well my dominatrix makes me call her master

>>22723809
The unhappiest countries are still very tribal.

>>22723768
>They think that crops grow themselves and that houses magically spawn into existence
The irony is that AI and automation is making this a reality, and there is a conspiracy to make us work for no reason.

>>22723859
It's the Pokémon "Pelipper" turned into a Søyjak based on jacksepticeye you buffoon.

>>22722316
>As tribes become homogenized, i.e. globalism progresses (a course which took root thousands of years ago, starting with the Greeks), religion and therapy (both sedatives for the mentally ill) become more necessary,
Therapy maybe, but it's the opposite with religion. Religion is on the decline in just about every developed country

>>22723756
>You could interpret Nietzche is just whinning impotently here, lamenting the commoners of his time aren't good little passive chinamen and cause trouble for the nobility.
This is the correct interpretation, and it's also a super pathetic larp on Nietzsche's part cause he wasn't even nobility

Typical Nietzschean ranting about stuff he knows nothing about.

The “labour question” has nothing to do with “the degeneration of instincts”. It has to do with the Industrial Revolution objectively transforming people’s lives from an agrarian, close-knit Christian society in touch with nature to an urban working class which makes its living slaving away in factories. Anyone who has studied the history of English thought in the 19th century will know that this was precisely THE main political question in England back then.

The “Chinese type”, hilariously, experienced a communist revolution.

His final remarks are so badly written they’re almost indecipherable.

First he says “the hope is gone that a modest class would develop”… then he goes onto say
>But what was done? Everything to nip in the bud even the preconditions for this: the instincts by virtue of which the worker becomes possible as a class, possible in his own eyes, have been destroyed through and through with the most irresponsible thoughtlessness.
At first it seems like Nietzsche is ranting against people who prevent the working class from gaining self-consciousness. But that doesn’t even make sense considering what he just said prior, that the working class gaining self consciousness and becoming a “problem” was a bad thing. So I think he means the working class should gain self-consciousness of itself as a class BY ACCEPTING THAT THEY ARE SLAVES AND NOT REVOLTING. Which is hilarious.

Finally he says the bourgeoisie educated them and gave them a vote which they shouldn’t have done if they wanted slaves. But again that’s a retarded outlook. The bourgeoisie had to make all these concessions simply because the working class would have revolted. Child labour laws, min wage laws, work safety laws, etc. had to be conceded.

Nietzsche is such a retard. It baffles me that he has followers. But what do you expect from a pop philosopher

>>22723768
You misunderstood the quote. Actually the need or impulse or more and more work, for improvement a product of increasing industrialization and mass education is exactly what Nietzsche is critiquing.
It seems like the model he is realizing is the self sufficient peasant-worker, rather than the industrialized wage laborer who is perpetually dissatisfied with himself

>>22724217
He invented a noble ancestry for himself though, which is almost as good.

>>22723925
Afghanistan maybe, but most of the red countries are relatively modernized but still poor / undeveloped.
The map doesn't show that "tribalism" produces unhappiness. All it shows is that, unsurprisingly, poor, conflict-ridden, and unstable countries are more unhappy

>>22724224
>Pop philosopher
This is so true. Everything I read by him feels like it could be written by Yuval Harrari or Malcolm Gladwell or something

>>22724233
>He invented a noble ancestry for himself though, which is almost as good
I.e larping

>>22724242
They're unequal & agrarian and have a strong ethnic identity. All countries can basically be plotted on a spectrum between Sweden & Afghanistan.

>>22724224
>So I think he means the working class should gain self-consciousness of itself as a class BY ACCEPTING THAT THEY ARE SLAVES AND NOT REVOLTING. Which is hilarious.
Nietzsche is a tard but it's pretty obvious what he's saying/doing. He's just flipping the Marxist notion of class consciousness on its head. He's saying it was bad for the slaves to acquire enough education and consciousness to become aware of themselves as a class. Bad for the worker as he will now never be content; will always want more and more, better standards, in effect to become a master (as the communist preach).
So he seems to be implying class consciousness is bad for both worker and master
>Finally he says the bourgeoisie educated them and gave them a vote which they shouldn’t have done if they wanted slaves.
Yes this is where Nietzsche's analysis is most stupid imo
You are right education and the vote were concessions. They were also in a sense in the interest of the bourgeoisie as industrialization and specialization necessitated workers with a degree of intelligence

>>22724271
That's why Nietzscheans usually can't come up with practical 21st century models for their aristocratic Hellenism. It's completely divorced from reality.

>>22724255
Afghanistan and Africa are tribal, but plenty of the other red countries on the map are somewhat modernized.
For instance, I don't think it canbe seriously claimed that Turkey is all that tribal. As well as any number of South American countries. Yet they all are pretty red.
In Turkey the source is more likely the extreme inflation which is hitting the country hard rn

>>22723434
>Just because you can choose between ten brands of cereal at the grocery store doesn’t mean you have any real freedom at all.
Is this all your tiny brain can think of in regards to the modern world? Do you realize what trains, airplanes, and the internet have made possible? Or industrialization and capitalist and democratic institutions?

>>22724285
Yeah but the other poster claimed that feudal peasants were happy despite the shithole conditions they had to endure. Even the poorest Africans have some modern amenities now.

>>22723882
It's not about me.

>>22724210
Therapy replaced religion in this regard, yes. I didn't mean to imply that religion was still big.

>>22724276
"Nietzscheans" today are technofeudalists and digital nomads.

>>22724310
>"Nietzscheans" today are technofeudalists and digital nomads.
Yeah SEA sexpats are trve overmen.

>>22724322
>say one thing, faggot says another thing
Like clockwork.

>>22724301
If one wanted to seriously analyze who was happier modern wage laborers v.s feudal peasants, looking at a contemporary map or statistics won't reveal that
We'd have to compare the past happiness level to today, but stats didn't really exist
So probably the best way to find out would be to read primary sources from peasants and try to gauge their happiness from those readings.
No matter what though happiness is pretty subjective and hard to quantify

>>22724333
Yeah, but I don't understand why you think modern agrarian shitholes aren't an acceptable point of reference.

>>22724339
>modern agrarian shitholes aren't an acceptable point of reference.
Because most of those places don't actually live like fedual peasants or pre modern people.
Again Afghanistan maybe, but even there i highly doubt the isolated tribal communities in that region are answering census surveys

>>22724349
>Because most of those places don't actually live like fedual peasants

>>22723969
>t. Never worked with his hands

>>22724339
Read The Great Transformation by Karl Polanyi. It’s not so simple. Feudalism was more “natural” in the sense that the food produced by peasants was for the community and not sold for profit, they had a system of land called the open-field systems which divided the land up between the community almost like in communism. As much as the serf was tied to the lord, the lord was tied to the serf and could not for example kick him off the land. Often the “landowner” (not in the modern capitalist sense) was not even a Lord but the local parish church. It was a system of social reciprocity which was destroyed first by privatisation of the land (called enclosure) and then by the Industrial Revolution which destroyed the cottage industries and created the proletarian industrial working class. It was an objective transformation in society that’s not 100% positive and posting maps by “visualcapitalist.com”

>>22724289
>Wow I heckin love technology and science
Shut up bugman

>>22724374
(Cont….) posting maps by visual capitalist dot com doesn’t refute this

>>22724374
Even under ideal conditions agricultural labor would have sucked, especially if you didn't own the land it was all for nothing.

>>22724402
>t. Never done agricultural labor

>>22724379
>t. Doesnt make visual maps

>>22724402
They worked less hours than modern Westoids, received numerous public festivals every year, and had tight knit communities. No one here is saying feudalism was awesome, just that it was better than the neo-feudalism we do now where the labor is alienated to such a high degree

>>22724328
>t never worked a clock

>>22724376
Fuck off, luddite.

>>22724410
Modern conditions are a million times better because your work can actually improve your conditions, a fact that Nietzsche laments in the OP passage.

>>22724415
I wonder if there were African slaves in 1800s America that loved their conditions because they had access to cooler tech than in Africa lmao.

>>22724402
If it sucks so much why do there exist anti-technology movements such as the Amish who by all accounts are happy loving communities?

Industrialisation took something away from us. I’m not saying it was evil. Or shouldn’t have happened. But it did lead to massive suffering for the urban working classes at least in the beginning. It did lead to the break up of their families, even their wives and their children having to go to work in the factory. This was a hot button issue in 19th century English society, with writers like Dickens, Carlyle, Byron, Marx, Robert Owen, the romantic poets, everyone in fact, commenting upon it. It’s why socialism developed.

>>22724422
They would have surely changed their minds if they saw how cool laptops and video games are

>>22724422
If agricultural labor is so great why aren't most people Amish? Shut the fuck up nigger.

>>22724420
Your reading comprehension is astounding.

>>22724357
Man you are historically illiterate. Just because those socities are more agrarian doesn't make them like a fedual pre modern society.
Again there is also the problem with whether the stats are even representative, which you haven't addressed.
As i pointed out it's unlikely the isolated tribes in Afghanistan are responding to surveys. So the unhappiness indicator if anything would just be more representative of the fact that urban educated populace in Afghanistan is unhappy

>>22724487
>Just because those socities are more agrarian doesn't make them like a fedual pre modern society.
For the peasants conditions would have been very similar I think.

>>22724497
>For the peasants conditions would have been very similar I think.
No not really.
If an agricultural laborer in Mexico wants to he can just up and move.
The farm owner doesn't have much control over aspects of his personal life

>>22724514
Yeah, but unless Nietzsche is right and slavery creates contentment it must be conceded that the modern peasant has it better than his medieval counterpart generally.

>>22724526
>slavery creates contentment
Not who you replied to, but Nietzsche's point is more that over-education creates discontent and that slavery is a necessity for civilization.

>>22724530
Not interested in your fantatic takes.

>>22724535
*fantastic

>>22724535
>not interested in what N actually said
Okay.

>>22724539
Completely irrelevant.

>>22724546
In The Greek State, he makes the case that slavery is a necessary function of higher civilization, and throughout his works he laments universal literacy and public education.

>>22724552
Ok and.

>>22724555
And he never said that slavery creates contentment. This is reductive and misses the point.

>>22724560
It's what we were discussing, and Nietzsche hypothesizes the existence of a content "Chinese" worker type in the OP.

>>22724569
Yes, but he's not saying slavery made the worker content. He's saying a certain conditioning did, and that the European worker was conditioned to hate his station in life in contrast.

>>22724611
>Yes, but he's not saying slavery made the worker content. He's saying a certain conditioning did.
Low IQ pilpul.

>>22724615
It's just political strategy 101

>>22724618
I'm saying that Nietzsche is an imbecile who asserted without evidence that feudal peasants were modest & content. Just as baseless as most of his claims.

>>22716810
what the fuck is this image 4chan is a schizo magnet

>>22724623
Where is he talking about feudal peasants?

>>22718885
based post, swarthoids seething as usual

>>22716810
>wagies rising up threatens my special snowflake status as a bourgeois were I LARP as an ubermensch because i don't have to work and that makes me above mundanities of life that I somehow must maintain the fiction that I earned that status through my inherent superiority

>>22724367
Yeah okay Cletus once AI wipes out entire industries and 1 programmer replaces the work of 10 and driving becomes obsolete everyone will just get into plumbing. Just learn to plumb.

>>22724842
Based.