/lit/ - Literature

damn, a youtube video essay? lemme just add that to the list of shit I don't care about

>>22583032
>t. materialist

>>22583019
>>consciousness is just neurons firing in your brain!!!
consciousness is just INability to track neurons firing in your brain via the very same neurons doing the tracking

Just like films are just INability to differentiate the slide-show frames at high speed.

That doesn't mean that you've opened a window into some other magical reality. It just means, that your 'capacity' to think is actually technically a disability. If you are conscious, you are necessarily a self-blind mentally-handicapped cripple.

>space-time is not fundamental
Kant was fucking right

>>22583044
Based, good post.

>>22583044
holy based

>>22583044
this makes no sense whatsoever and your analogy is shit

>>22583080
the analogy reeks of onions, but the point makes perfect sense

>>22583080
>your analogy is shit
Neurons cannot truly track themselves, so they resort to cheap heuristics. You are blind to your blind spot. Whatever you consider your consciousness, isn't what it actually is.

Eyes cannot differentiate frames at high rate, so they resort to cheap heuristics (flicker-fusion threshold). You by default assume unity, where there is none.

Films are useful, despite being a perception error. You have exaptated this error to transmit useful data.
Consciousness is useful, despite being a perception error.

>>22583019
Materialists have never been able to adequately answer the vertiginous question, i. e. why I’m me and not someone else. The “people” that respond by saying the question is meaningless are probably just NPCs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question

>>22583134
>Eyes cannot differentiate frames at high rate, so they resort to cheap heuristics
no they don't faggot eyes are entirely receptive and the active component is the mind. stop with your dogshit analogies.

>>22583283
>why I’m me and not someone else
"Why" as in "how come" question?
https://www.osmosis.org/answers/afferent-vs-efferent-neurons

Because you need to differentiate between 'you' moving your hand, and your pal moving your hand (while saying "why are you hitting yourself, faggot?").
Evolution, evolution. Passive environmental filtration. Muh historical contingency and path-dependency.


Or "why" in terms of "what for"?
In that case, it is "why do green ideas sleep furiously?" type of question. Error, does not compute.

>>22583303
>Error, does not compute.
bugman confirmed

>>22583301
>eyes are entirely receptive and the active component is the mind
The active component is the occipital lobe of the brain, receiving the input from your eyes. Doesn't change the fact that if you go beyond 90 Hz, you'll stop differentiating shit. And it is this NON-differentiation that forms such an important cultural artifact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold#Display_frame_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hertz

>>22583318
>The active component is the occipital lobe of the brain, receiving the input from your eyes.
no it's not materialist faggot. The brain as matter is inert without an active force causing it's activity.

>>22583323
>The brain as matter is inert without an active force causing it's activity.
Aww, baby's first steps into thermodynamics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissipative_system

>>22583042
based mickey

>>22583323
> The brain as matter is inert without an active force causing its activity.
>an active force
If you had any idea of what you are talking about you would have given it a name, instead of leaving it to speculation

>>22583349
what does this have to do with anything?

>>22583355
I already did faggot: MIND

>>22583303
>Because you need to differentiate between 'you' moving your hand, and your pal moving your hand (while saying "why are you hitting yourself, faggot?").
>Evolution, evolution. Passive environmental filtration. Muh historical contingency and path-dependency.
You are confusing the VQ with the binding problem. Even though brains can only access information they directly receive and can't access information sent to other brains telepathically, that still doesn't explain why I exist in this brain and not some other brain. Me existing as someone else would be just as consistently with known physics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YID6XV-PQ

>>22583368
Give one property of this mind and show how you discovered it. Feelings don’t count.

>>22583364
An "active force causing brain's activity" is external to you. Not a mind, but an influx of external shit. You are a cyborg, merged with your environment, propelled by a positive feedback loop. Because entropy.

>>22583378
>why I exist in this brain and not some other brain
Easy-peasy: no "I" exists.
Yet you and others are constructed similarly enough to make "I"-shrieks.

Because those who didn't, didn't survive.

>Me existing as
is disproved on the same grounds, as anthropic principle does: survivorship bias.

>>22583383
>An "active force causing brain's activity" is external to you.
no shit smoothbrain. Mind is not limited to the confines of finite human ego-consciousness.

>>22583380
Synthetic unity you absolute matter-tard and you know it through INTELLEKTUELLE ANSCHAUUNG

>>22583396
>no shit smoothbrain. Mind is not limited to
"Mind" is material heat influx, okay.

>>22583378
>Me existing as someone else
"You" might easily confuse "yourself" with something else.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_transfer_illusion#Rubber_hand_illusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatoparaphrenia

test

>>22583405
>IT JUST IS OK!!!!!
KEK

>>22583414
As it has been explained to you, if you agree with "active force causing brain's activity is external" in the context of thermodynamic dissipative systems, then you have agreed with stating that brain is materially propelled by heat.
And last time we checked, "heat" is no ectoplasmic mind-thingamabob.

Kek's on you, retard.

Something's wrong... I feel something is brewing. The winds of change are a-going. could it be... Is /lit/'s newest obsession slowly becoming Idealism?

>>22583019
I had a brain injury and went blind for a day. The next day I had my occipital lobe 'rebooting' and I could not parse any string of letters or numbers. My attempt to parse moved the number or letter out of its ledger and even off the page. The computer screen or page or sign bled into this smokey dreamy smudge to have all these letters and numbers swirling in 3D space like a hallucination. But it was not a hallucination. It was my impaired perception and my impaired training. It was high fidelity functionality for a brain recoupling the faculty of following horizontal and vertical space with encoding and in this anatomical reconstructions the faculties themselves were shown as the severed discrete forms of habit they are. Despite being given this cinematic display of cloudy pages and dancing alphanumericals I was asked about what this information is and I answered perfectly. This happened on finals week in 2019 after the accident on Thanksgiving. I got straight A's on all my exams! It was like being two people. I the visual attendant was the dumb dyslexic seeing clouds on the squares of writing while my blind audience inside me was my intelligent interpreter. There are four eyes in my brain not two. Your eyes have an interpreter and a feedback loop balancer. Mine were severed and stitched back together by a swollen healing.

>>22583424
>then you have agreed with stating that brain is materially propelled by heat.
>And last time we checked, "heat" is no ectoplasmic mind-thingamabob.
>t. thinks he won
>t. doesn't know

>>22583451
My accident was faceplanting on concrete after my rear wheel got snagged on a ramp instead of letting me soar into the air, my velocity was just redirected harder into the ground than my weight would take me.
This perfect perpendicular impact to my square jaw iron boxer face gave my occipital lobe all the normal force and reverberating jiggles. My prefrontal cortex was spared. I lost my musical abilities. My piano repertoire went from 30+ songs to 3 songs played poorly with ugly abberations.
My aggression stayed the same. My libido was not altered.
My mood was far more somber and sober after but how this relates to the accident in pure physiology, probably only in life narrative. I cannot touch that subject really. Science can't either. Only Buddha out of Samsara can see out of this tumble weed of causes to discern vacuum causality. I am in this life in these bones taking it all at once. I am not the observer that can answer in time nor can I bring you the materials for answers as to how the mood was changed by the impact. Therein is the philosophical dead end. The salience the satiety of relevance is the gravitas of pain and mortality.

>>22583430
nigger where have you been? we've been obsessed with idealism.

There ARE straight lines in nature

>>22583047
>tfw you get the last laugh

>>22583410
>"You" might easily confuse "yourself" with something else.
>rubber hand illusion
Anon... your experience of your body is not your self.
>but no I don't exist you don't exist it's an illusion REEEEEEEEEEEEE
An illusion played upon whom? Who's being illusioned?
>>22583424
But ideas about heat and the physical world are empirical abstractions, while selfhood and the mind are immediate self-evident experiences and the basis of anything that can be thought about the world. It's like you're trying to destroy the foundation and lower floors of a house and then still live in the attic.

>>22583038
>t.believe in magic

>>22583513
>t. doesn't know

>>22583503
>your experience of your body is not your self
depends on definition of the "self".
But the prolific plurality of such definitions is itself alarming already.

>An illusion played upon whom?
And natural selection is selection by whom? Wrong question.

>Who's being illusioned?
A brain.

The spatiality-tracking mechanism cannot track its own spatial position, therefore always a vague heuristic signal 'here'.
The temporality-tracking mechanism cannot track its own temporal placement, therefore always a vague heuristic signal 'now'.
And 'you' is but a total aggregate of such error blind spot alerts.

>immediate self-evident experiences
Is countered by the problem of neglect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exformation

>But ideas about heat and the physical world are empirical abstractions
>while selfhood and the mind are immediate self-evident experiences
while your brain is part of your environment.

>>22583549
>And natural selection is selection by whom? Wrong question.
>presupposes teleology isn't real

>>22583393
>Easy-peasy: no "I" exists.
The "I" can be directly observed to exist. Since philosophical zombies don't have qualia and therefore don't have any perception of being themselves, you have outed yourself as an NPC.

>Because those who didn't, didn't survive.
You are confusing functional consciousness with phenomenal consciousness.

>>22583453
Silicone chips are PLATONIC
(P.L.A.T.O. warm friendly glow)
>>22583513
Magic is a swear word for Platonic woo woo beyond pay grade and emotional handwaving
GOOD FOR ADVERTISING

>>22583575
>The "I" can be directly observed to exist.
The houses on the pic, too. Who lives in them? Should we help their dwellers to improve their living conditions?

>You are confusing functional consciousness with phenomenal consciousness.
And you are persistently asking "What time is it on the sun right now, according to Greenwich Mean Time?"

>directly observed to exist. Since philosophical zombies don't have qualia
while the true problem is the neglect of the unobservable. You are blind to your own blindness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_syndrome

>>22583451
>>22583476
This is an amazing yet tragic experience, and thank you for sharing. Nothing an impersonal faceless stranger online can say can really do justice to it but I’m sorry you went through that and your musical abilities were impaired. There is some amazing writing in these posts, though, and, half-assed a comfort as it may be, I, random anon, think you should write and publish things. I’m not just saying that out of a Reddit-style pity for the victim but because some of the writing here is genuinely impressive, and I’m not often struck by that on /lit/.

This is also an extremely cynical and odd-sounding addendum, but you could even consider yourself privileged to see into the workings of your brain in such a way, the relativity of perception, and the limitations of the human brain and body. Most people too comfortable and sheltered to have experienced things like that are not going to be adequately prepared for, say, their own mortality. You already have a “leg up” on this fundamental disillusionment, which, I take by your (seemingly positive) reference to the Buddha, you could regard as a net boon. Hard comfort, I know. I feel insensitive to even give these words (I’ve never been good at comforting people or commiserating with their tragedies in real life, either) but there it is.

>>22583019
>your mind is a simulation
Relevant:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NXj1og0SYo

>>22583738
based.

>>22583404
Synthetic unity involves perception which is a feeling.
God isn’t real, the world is made of physics, Jesus never existed. Cope seethe dilate

>>22583765
ngmi

>>22583768
Once you die your experience ends and you’ll never have sensations again for infinity in time.

I expected more of you /lit/. But all can be forgiven if you simply read the sequences

>>22583799
>t. absolute hylic

>>22583799
>Once you die your experience probably ends and you’ll never have sensations again for infinity in time
FTFY

>>22583961
>Once your physical body ceases to function your human experience ends but empirical science can neither prove nor disprove you’ll never have sensations again for infinity in time
ftfy

>>22583283
the question seems malformed and/or exceedingly trivial to begin with. "why is A A and not B". if it were not A it would not be A.

>>22583283
Dumb question. Why is anything anything? The state of the universe is an arbitrary selection from a presumably infinite range of possible configurations. But there is no other way for it to be. To exist is to be arbitrary.

>>22584087
>But there is no other way for it to be.
>To exist is to be arbitrary.
The irony here is unsurpassed.

>>22583714
I am a mathematician and a boxer. Violence is fun. Losing a few (or many) braincells in a world where pay is given to normie accountant bases of understanding I need not be as sophisticated as I could be a crystalline sapphire and porcelaine glass doll of study.
The great mystery is whether or not I have retained my mathematical skill beyond rote use it or lose it. I graduated in business. I love math. I love numbers more than I do women and I am a slobbering gym bro Don Juan type at that. Math sustains me. It fixes my brain. No one noticed anything in me broke. Things too fancy for normal populus broke. Things to fancy, of the primitive literal primordial but logical, healed me in private with the absolute.
Repetitive trig. Not fancy integral calc. I am from planet math person. Yes we are built different and unfortunately we (ethnogeographic) aliens live among you you mighty English anglophone shopkeeps. I keep most quiet about the gendered world I live in. I would rather be punched my last braincell than call myself a Latinx. (((White women))) who call me Latinx deserve retribution. Naturally they will get away with it. But spiritually fuck I hope you people learn to hate Karens as much as us thirdies hate Karens the financial almighties. Divorce that bitch, rich man.

>>22584137
Marvelous ecology!
Here we have right next to the North American pavement ape, a humam resource deparment populated by the brightly neon colored Karen Venenum. She commands with the power of office pheromones 20 North American and 40 South American Yard Apes. The Yard apes of South America measure a 4 to 5 foot tall stature. The North American yard apes measure a 5 to 6 foot tall stature. Here we can see that Karen Venenum frequents service to Johns of Stein and Berg and of our Pavement Ape rotating stable.
This is where resources are divided amongst the ecosystem here in the A/C Concrete Jungle.

>>22583961
nope!

is there a chad vs virgin meme for this stupid shit yet

>>22584289
don't let your memes be dreams

>>22584295
Pls let ur dreams b memes

>>22583283
This is the most retarded post in the thread - and that's a lot considering OP's post.

>>22583453
most important post in this thread. If you know you know.

>And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

>>22583947
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question
You will never be Greek, sexless barbaroid.
>>22583980
Empirical science says you can't turn water into wine and come back from the dead.

>>22584470
>turns up the seethe dial to 11

>>22584474
>turns up the onlyfans of his sister whore
>https://wiki.basedjaks.party/File:Coinslot.png

>>22584514
>t. angrily responds shaking and tearing up
step away from the computer materialistfag

>>22583799
>>22583961
>>22583980
Unless something like quantum immortality is real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65jdcvSOOjI

>>22583799
>>22583961
>>22583980
>>22584170
There are a lot of possible mechanisms for how something like reincarnation could exist, such as eternal recurrence, quantum immortality, and living in a simulation. If "you" could come into existence the first time, there's no reason why it couldn't happen again given infinite chances. Eternal oblivion would require the existence of some king of mechanism that causes you to be unable to exist ever again once you have had a chance to exist once before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w13yLq16QiM
https://alwaysasking.com/is-there-life-after-death/

>>22583799
>>22583961
>>22583980
>>22584542
>>22584561

The Boltzmann brain thought experiment suggests that it might be more likely for a single brain to spontaneously form in a void, complete with a memory of having existed in our universe, rather than for the entire universe to come about in the manner cosmologists think it actually did.

>>22583765
>God isn’t real, the world is made of physics, Jesus never existed. Cope seethe dilate
You sound a lot dumber than you imagine.

>>22584455
>exhales
>dies
So much for that

>>22584603
Jesus says dinosaurs dont real

>>22584631
Sir Issac Newton PERSONALLY
Punched Abraham Issac and Jacob

All cows are spheres

>>22584664
But not all spheres are cows.

>>22584631
>namefag
>dumb
Like clockwork.

>>22583099
No, it doesn't. If all it boils down is neuronal activity (which is to say, physical phenomena), why would there be an experience in the first place? Why are we not unconscious automata? Notice that in this materialist framework consciousness has NO effect on your behaviour. It is a complete epiphenomenon.
>>22583134
>Eyes cannot differentiate frames at high rate, so they resort to cheap heuristics (flicker-fusion threshold).
In a truly materialist framework eyes fo not track anything, nor there would be any heuristic or understanding: they would simply be very well designed machines to which no internal consciousness would be present.

>>22583047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fTtcOZdsy4

>>22584567
Mario Alejandro Montano believed something somewhat similar to this before he killed himself, except he believed that he lived in a simulation rather than that he was a Boltzmann brain. He believed that reality was fake and that everyone else was fake except for him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIt-w8BwvV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXITVRl0LjY
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2020/01/05/what-i-mean-by-saying-that-i-am-in-a-simulation/

>By saying that I am in a simulation I am saying that I was walking down a mall when the police recognized me as me as someone who was suicidal. They just walked up to me and took me to the hospital. How did they have that knowledge? That’s what I mean by this being a simulation. I was walking in the forest and saw a man and his dog pass me by on the trail. Then a few minutes later I saw the man and his dog pass me again. There should be no way for him to teleport. That’s what I mean by this being a simulation. For a few weeks people wouldn’t look me in the eyes even if I stared at them. That’s what I mean when I say this is a simulation. There was also the overwhelming sense that people were simulated. It was really uncanny. There’s also the fact that civilization runs so smoothly and everybody just falls into the right place in society such that this continues. There’s also the fact that people are generally stupid but yet there are iPhones, planes, running hot water, etc. I think that people are fake and not really doing all these impressive things. There’s just the appearance that humans like myself do all of these things. That’s what I mean by saying this is a simulation. There’s also the fact that I was interacting with an intelligence while browsing twitter and watching YouTube videos. This intelligence appeared to know me and communicated with me through curated content that was all aimed at me. This is what I mean by saying that I am in a simulation.

>>22584701
based

>>22584720
who?

>>22584681
The name itself is an argument
Namefag yes not a tripfag

>>22584720
there are simulated "dead" "NPC" people but there are also real people, there are synchronistic events but there are also coincidents
lil nigga couldn't handle the complexity

>>22584841
>coincidents
coincidences
am drunk

>>22583134
>>22583044
I can’t believe biorobot anon has finally made his triumphant return to lit. I remember when you used to BTFO qualiatards in Dennett threads once upon a time.

>>22583503
>selfhood and the mind are immediate self-evident experiences and the basis of anything that can be thought about the world
And what makes the concepts of selfhood and mind not abstractions from experience? Read Kant. Selfhood can only be a priori defined as a purely operational procedure and Mind is an abstraction which no one can agree on.

>>22584884
gibberish

>>22584720
>There’s also the fact that civilization runs so smoothly and everybody just falls into the right place in society such that this continues.
He never went to India it seems

>There’s also the fact that people are generally stupid but yet there are iPhones, planes, running hot water, etc. I think that people are fake
this is a consequence of technology and specialization.

dude just needed to read some Kaczynski

Can anyone in this thread prove that matter exists? Asking for a friend, thanks in advance.

>>22583044
time and space are relative. Also, neurons do exist and we can perceive them fine with the right equipment. They're just ideas after all

>>22583799
it's a good thing that eternity is very short when you are not perceiving anything.

>"Thy life is long, Eternity is short.
>"So short that, shouldst thou die and Eternity should pass, and after the passing of Eternity thou shouldst live again, thou wouldst say: 'I closed mine eyes but for an instant.'
>"There is an eternity behind thee as well as one before. Hast thou bewailed the aeons that passed without thee, who art so much afraid of the aeons that shall pass?"

>>22584923

>>22583323
You are both wrong the brain does not exist.
Have youever drilled into your own jead and seen your brain?
No... Thats what i thought.
The mainstream media wants yiu to be live you have a brain

>>22584728
He was a schizo why was popular on /sci/ and /lit/ at one point

>>22585081
2 mo' weeks nigguh fr fr no cap

>>22584841
Synchronicities might be a by-product of your brain's quantum entanglement with the rest of physical reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1_GlpJTsys

>>>/vg/449160740
Artificial Academy 2 General /aa2g/ #1294b
TRL Edition

Welcome, this general is for the discussion of ILLUSION's Artificial Academy 2.

COPY ERROR MESSAGES WITH CTRL+C, PASTE THEM WITH CTRL+V INTO GOOGLE TRANSLATE. JUST CLICK THE WINDOW AND PRESS CTRL + C, IT WORKS.

>Downloads:
/aa2g/ Pre-Installed Game, AA2Mini: https://tsukiyo.me/AAA/AA2MiniPPX.xml
AAUnlimited updates: https://github.com/aa2g/AA2Unlimited/releases

>Information:
AA2Mini Install Guide:
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General FAQ:
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>Character Cards [Database], now with a list of every NonOC in the megas:
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https://db.bepis.moe/aa2/

>Mods & More:
Mods for AAU/AA2Mini (ppx format, the mediafire has everything):
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/aa2g/ Modding Reference Guide (Slot lists for Hair/Clothes/Faces, List Guides, and More):
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Booru: https://aau.booru.org

>HELP! I have a Nvidia card and my game crashes on startup!
Try the dgVoodoo option in the new win10fix settings.
Alternative: Update your AAU and see if it happens again. If so, disable win10fix, enable wined3d and software vertex processing.
>HELP! Required Windows 11 update broke things!
winkey+R -> ms-settings:developers -> Terminal=Windows Console Host

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>>>/vg/447875110

>>22585041
uhhhh I REFUTE IT THUS!
*kicks rock*

>>22584782
>namefag
>mommy issues
like cockwork

>>22584891
No more gibberish than claiming that the indeterminate idea of Mind or Selfhood is somehow MORE EVIDENT that determinate empirical findings based on strict observations of causality. You can’t even find the source of “your thoughts” and they can be detected externally before (you) think them.

>>22585204
Your ideas of these empirical observations rest on your ideas of your self first being established. The more fundamental thing is more evident.

>>22583044
>ITT: illusionist anon doesn't know that his position is widely ridiculed in contemporary philosophy of mind

I think idealism is the more likely explanation, but why does it matter? Our reality is still our reality. Can anyone explain why any of this matters? Whether your brain is "material," or just a representation of an unknowable reality, or energy talk the form of matter, who cares? Why does it matter?

>>22585677

It matters because it assists us in gain-of-function research. To invent new ideas and enhance our existence.

For me, as an absolute atheistic materialist, I am STILL searching for a valid ideal. Thus far, I believe that there is something to the idea of a chain of Material -> Life-> Brain -> Mind -> Will -> Soul -> Freewill -> ???

I think we need to continue to develop this field. At this moment, I do not think freewill, soul, and perhaps even will exists yet. They are still purely ideal, and have not been functionally invented. They exist the way sci-fi exists. Ideas, but without application or chemical-physical-reality based truth to them.

So we must keep walking.

>>22585848

It either ends in God or it doesn't. I don't see any point to figuring out reality if it doesn't account for an ethic (how to live life).

>>22586024
>It either ends in God or it doesn't. I don't see any point to figuring out reality if it doesn't account for an ethic (how to live life).
unfathomably based. read The Ethics

>>22586024

It probably does end in God. In fact, now that you mentioned some of those ideas, perhaps you contain an element of truth. Let me try this, just hypothetically.

Atheistic Dead Material -> Life-> Evolution -> Brain -> Intelligence -> Wisdom -> Mind -> Will -> Soul -> Freewill -> Will To Power -> True Power -> Defeat of Determinism -> (Years of strife and chaos as we make insane, wicked choices, ending with the establishment of) -> Morality -> Rebirth of Soul -> Angelic Aspects to Our now Inter-Galactic Existence -> Harmony with Truth and Order And Chemical-Physical-Reality -> Become God Without Flaw or Evil Or Falsity -> Reclaim All Matter and Energy within the Universe -> Forcefully Revert Entropy -> Avert Heat-Death -> Become Eternal and Find Relief From Suffering -> Absolute Blissful Happiness within the Heavens Forever and Ever -> Amen <- Old English, from Late Latin amen, from Ecclesiastical Greek amen, from Hebrew amen "truth."

Alright, so I let my mind wander a lot, but that chain there is essentially a rough blueprint of an ideal entity's evolution through time and space. I skipped the whole "advance technology and merge with AI" stuff, because it's probably optional, predetermined, or doesn't matter in this context.

https://pswscience.org/meeting/the-doom-of-spacetime/

>20th century scientists revolutionized physics with the theories of quantum mechanics and spacetime, which together form quantum field theory. Those concepts led to predictions accurate up to 12 decimal places, when tested. And that accuracy is what makes doubts about their accuracy so disturbing.

>Arkani-Hamed then described the two “storm clouds” he sees for spacetime and quantum mechanics. The first storm cloud suggests that spacetime is doomed. The second, that quantum mechanics are limited.

>To explain the first cloud, Arkani-Hamed presented a thought experiment. To see what exactly is going on at arbitrarily small distances, we must use high energies. In a world without gravity, there is, in principle, no limit to scaling the size of the detector to see what is going on at increasingly small distances. But we live with gravity, and where there is too much mass, we get a black hole that traps light – meaning that if we build too big a detector, we will create a black hole that will prevent us from seeing what happens at the smallest distances. Thus, gravity limits our ability to measure spacetime, which means our current understanding of spacetime is merely approximate and not fully accurate.

>Similarly, the second cloud is explained by the problem of measuring quantum mechanics. To measure such quantum observables, our precision improves by how many measurements we take. But, to take the infinitely many measurements required to reach almost exact precision, would require an infinitely large measuring apparatus, which is again limited by gravity. This limitation means quantum mechanics is also an approximation.

spacetimesisters...

>>22586056
Omega point, read picrel.

>>22586154

One thing to note: Observation doesn't change the result of anything. It is the the act of *measurement* that does, in the sense that to SEE an object, it must emit either photons, or reflect them.

But if that object is very small, then it is akin to catching "The Phenomenology of Spirit" while riding a bike. If it hits you, you'll certainly go "WAH!" and perhaps tumble, and even if you catch it, the momentum has to go somewhere, right?

Thus it is not observation that has effect or cause. It is the act of attempting to acquire a measurement of any force, particle, energy, or matter.

To imagine it significantly more vividly, imagine you drop a rock into a lake, and it creates a ripple. To see how fast the ripple is moving, you put an instrument into the water. But as the instrument reads the speed of the water, it blocks the ripple's progress, and there is now a break in the expanding circle.

Thus, we cannot observe without measuring, and to measure is to interfere with the natural state of that which was observed.

What this means is that determinism stands before us, foreboding and unbroken.

>>22583019
Ok, but what is a materalist?

>>22586185
>>22586195
A materialist, by the universal, is someone who buys a house in a city or a foolish wealthy person who starts a family in a provincial region.

>>22586200

What??

If I ever call myself a materialist, it's to indicate that I believe reality is chemical-physical, and contains no inherent ideals, spirits, or false metaphysical concepts that do not exist within material reality. Material in the sense of matter, mass, motion, and energy. Kinetics; force, life and mineral, void and star.

You're referring to the absolute most common nonsense definition of "materialist," like a girl on a shopping spree who wants to look fancy and rich. But that is absolutely absurd, and I almost think you must just be joking.

>>22585528
And mainstream economists widely ridicule heterodox ones, too. But that happens become the former do not understand nonlinear differential equations.

Because 95% of people are idiots, simple as.

>>22585223
>Your ideas of these empirical observations rest on your ideas of your self first being established.
Self and Not-self are mutually dependent abstractions.

>>22586223
materialism is a religious cult, it is not science, you are psued using "sciency" sounding ideas to defend a position that is inherently anti-scientific. You are no younger than young earth creationists in this regard

>>22586465
You are no *different* than young earth creationists in this regard

>>22586223
>matter, mass, motion, and energy. Kinetics; force, life and mineral, void and star
you cannot, now, or ever, prove these things exist anywhere outside of your mind

>>22583019
How similar is Conscious Realism to the Solipsistic Idealism found in pic related?

>>22586477
You cannot prove that even I exist outside your own mind! Who are you talking to in that case, hmm?

Goodness, you sound dangerously naive.