/lit/ - Literature

Just started Darkness that Comes Before by Richard Scott Bakker. What am I in for /sff/bros (so far I am liking it)?

>>22446764
Why do you like rape so much

>>22446765
Are you projecting? What makes you say that?

>>22446764
Great post anon, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chida??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker??
Any books with incest?

>>22444513
>The chart is garbage, I'm pretty sure deliberately so. Like half of them are smut books .. and it has random shit nobody's heard
>because I don't know of something, that means other people don't know about it as well
>if I didn't read something, it doesn't exist
>I know the reason why this book got popular
Neck yourself

>>22446764
why do 90 % of fantasy maps look like europe?

>>22446740
Anyone need a really cheap editor? If you say you're from /lit/, I can give you a discount. The espionage novel on which I'm working is nearly complete, but if anyone has a SF or fantasy book, feel free to shoot me the manuscript at

https://www.fiverr.com/matthewg42

>>22446893
Advertising on 4chan? has anyone from 4chan or /lit/ ever contacted you?

I'm assuming this was a random person who stumbled onto /sffg/ despite my efforts to not make it easily findable on Goodreads. Since there's over 750 members and many have reviews, including myself, I'm considering making the group private so it doesn't appear in anyone's profile. If I do so though I'll put it to a long term vote in the group. If by chance you are this person I just rejected, then feel free to reply with an answer rather than living it blank. If it's blank there's a 100% chance I'm rejecting you unless I recognize the name already. So, answer it.

what's a good fantasy read to get into? lyonesse?

>>22446942
it's not really advertising, i do it as a hobby

>>22446946
Hi, that was me, I normally go by name !SFFG.n1h7M. I am a well known homosexual on /sffg/, please unblock and allow me to join your group.

>>22446991
>I am a well known homosexual on /sffg/
You've applied to the right exclusive circle jerk, then.

>>22446991
Only when I'm posting about what I've read, except when I forgot to take it off. So, really, normally anon. It's nice that you remembered what I do though.

>last book you read
>current book you are reading
>next book you plan to read

>>22446846
>most powerful black man in human history
>became so powerful he turned white
literally out of some xianxia shit

Lady Jessica makes my pants tight

>>22447045
Anon, she canonically gets gangbanged by filthy fremen

>>22447027
>Last
The Basilisk Throne by Greg Keyes, 4/6 stars. Wasn't my favorite of his openers, but I think this series has the potential to surpass The Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone.
>Current
The Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant Omnibus. It's a worthy sequel trilogy so far. The Wounded Land is hitting similar beats to Lord Foul's Bane while managing to avoid being formulaic.
>Next
Either Gideon the Ninth or The Left Hand of Darkness

>>22447027
>last
Our own way - harem lit
>current
Empire of the vampires - anons said good things about this book and it's pretty alright so far. The ebook have some cool looking pics too
>next
Dunno, maybe some haremlit again

>>22447059
I got a thing for milfs what can I say I'm a simple man

/SFFG/ Recommendations:

Read Reverend Insanity, Lord of The Mysteries, Neuromancer, Hyperion, The Prince of Nothing

Also read The Wandering Inn, Between Two Fires, Mother of Learning, Cradle, I Shall Seal the Heavens, A Song of Ice and Fire, The Poppy War.

/SFFG/ Recommendations: LITRPG Edition

Read Azarinth Healer, Primal Hunter, He Who Fights with Monsters, Dungeon Crawler Carl

Also read System Universe, Dissonance, Defiance of the Fall, Iron Prince.

Ah good I was getting worried about where Bot-kun was

>>22447261
This has now been posted ~100 times.

>>22447264
>He Who Fights With Monsters
This one looks promising.

>>22446893
This is the 11th time this been posted in the last 16 days.

>>22447294
Are you just stirring shit?

I'm reading Flood by Stephen Baxter, and I'm realizing that the genre of Scientific/Engineering Procedural is something that both appeals to me greatly but also isn't something in great supply, at least what I can find. I've read Seveneves and The Andromeda Strain, and I'm craving more and more works which are about experts navigating problems, but not in an inhumane way, I don't like Phoresis for example because it feels too rational lit where characterization is nullified in the service of conveying exposition and ideas.

Maybe I should just read mystery novels instead if I want more procedural works?

>>22447363
Isn't that simply hard sci-fi?

>>22446765
Rape is how many animals reproduce, including humans.

Is The Player of Games better than Consider Phlebas?
I'm at page 333 and every interesting bit so fast has been interjected with pointless, inconsequential action sequences, and the protagonist's a Mary Sue who can get out of any situation with little to no damage, fuck all the girls and show everybody he's more intelligent than them.
Against a Dark Background is so much better than this it barely warrants a comparison.

>>22447264
Stop recommending Azarinth Healer, its utter shit even when compared only to some other drivel on the list.

>>22447409
yes and Use of Weapons is ten times better still. Do read PoG though

>>22447409
I read the first one and found it to be a disgusting sleeve job on liberal interventionism. None of the series' boosters deny this. Should be dumped in a pit.

I thought that I'd lose my appetite for Wildbow's writing and fanfic based on his work, but quite frankly I haven't. I understand why plenty of people don't take to it for one reason or another but I discovered it when Worm was still being updated and it stuck with me in a way that a lot of other fiction just simply hasn't. I'm a big fan of Wolfe, Lovecraft, Howard, Bakker, and various Black Library authors but Wildbow's serials aren't afraid to go even darker and romantic in the way I like and the character/worldbuilding strikes me as delightfully psychoanalytic and interesting even if there are no shortage of conceits. I'm open to recommendations. I'll read anything but preferably it should be immediately engaging and a lot of focus on twisted yet compelling characters.

>>22447409
CP is considered one of the weaker ones, it's probably necessary as way of introducing The Culture and showing how inevitable it seems even to outsiders but he could've done that within a more interesting story.

I know many of you won't care. But you should. R. A. Lafferty was one of the greats. Unique and interesting, unlike any other writer out there. Unfortunately he is scarcely known. This is mainly due to his difficult entry level both in esoteric prose and exposure, as the latter deals with much of his work having a limited publishing run or manuscripts never having been published at all still to this day. Kneel Gayman bought the Lafferty estate back in 2011 I believe and since then has done nothing with it. No republishing or unknown manuscripts printed. No one knows why it seems but if you see him please ask.
The image here is of my collection, many of which I have been searching years for and only recently obtained so I am excited to show. If your interest is peaked, I suggest starting with his short fiction, the collection Nine Hundred Grandmothers, or if want to read his novels check out Past Master, which to me feels like if Plato wrote speculative fiction. Or Fourth Mansion if you like conspiracy similar to Thomas Pynchon.

>>22447518
Did I ask?

>>22447518
I'll get to his stuff after my several hundred book backlog of all the other assorted random dogshit that gets recommended on here.
Im sure its absolutely breathtaking and knee-shaking.

>>22447531
Remember to read ATG, MW, TWM, CD, DE before reading the pretentious dogshit "difficult" books, claimed so by people who have never been challenged in their pathetic existence. Hey faggot >>22447518 go do a clean one arm pullup, and tell me what takes longer.

>>22447518
I bought "Arrive at Easterwine: The Autobiography of a Ktistec Machine" a few months ago but i haven't read it yet.

Sheesh, how many free trials is Scribd going to give me?

>>22447371
Hardness is definitely a quality you need, you can't have a soft procedural, but I'd say its a subgenre because you don't always have them working on a problem in the way I'm talking about. Like Raft is a very hard book indeed, but even though there's tons of engineering how-to it doesn't feel like people are bureaucratically/technically working their way through things, its just more that science unfolds a certain way?

>>22447593
>free
>The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
>The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is precondition for this.
>The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
>The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
When referring to software please don't use the language "free trial", please say "unpaid trial"

>>22447608
how's that toe jam taste, Stallman?

>>22447638
Sweet! Like FREEDOM!

All kingdom building and Japanese reincarnation novels that take place in a city with protagonist that start a business eventually turn into a worse version of simcity where you are checking a hundred different things at once.

>>22447595
Even though you didn't like Phoresis you could try his Orthogonal trilogy.

>>22447409
I loved POG. Everyone raves about use of weapons but I donno if I'm a brainlet or what but it's not gripping me

>>22447544
what the fuck do all those letters even mean you retarded mongoloid

>>22446740
Wheel Of Time season 2 started today, I took a look at Aviendha's ugly negress casting again and it hurt inside almost as much as the busted 40 yr old hag they cast for my tomboy gf Min. why do Rafe and all the other Jews have to ruin everything

>>22447701
not that anon, but my guess is
against the gods by mars gravity
(true) martial world by cocooned cow
coiling dragon and desolate era by i eat tomatoes
I also recommend ISTTH, RI, AWE, RI, WMW

>>22447712
>40 yr old hag they cast for my tomboy gf Min
WTF i love live action WoT now?!?

>>22447723
print that chinkshit and shove it up your ass, faggot

>>22447754
I would do that long before reading Lafferty

>>22447754
she doesn't even have tits, total flat-screen
owari da

>>22447757
You seem to be responding to the wrong post.

>>22447757
for >>22447735

Explain to me what Muad'dib's thoughts were when he went out into the desert. He saw the absolute terror and corruption that his cult of personality formed, but even if he couldn't see his son it should be apparent that his own death wouldn't do much to stop it. Then I'm still not sure what the Golden Path was and why it was necessary. Seems like ol Frank pivoted hard on his stance on messiah figures.

>>22447760
>unlimited cunny from your cult
>killing yourself cause you are so sad about making a cult
Which one and why?

>>22447763
The guy got so distraught over losing his waifu that his powers temporarily turned off. I think the pounding of stanky fremen pussy started way after he'd given up and started doing spice everyday.

Cultivator going around killing demonic cultivators. Find demonic cultivator with large cunny harem, go to kill him, he is about to die when it turns out the some of the member of the cunny harem are immortals at your level and they attack you from behind, the demonic cultivator pulls out your soul, you are kept in a soul treasure for a few years and when the next harem member gives birth you are put in their body and the demonic cultivator becomes your new master.
ToTs?

>be cunnychad
>be cultivating
>blast through qi condensation
>reach foundation
>finally time to go back to village and start harem
>all the mortal girls are full of impurities and their skin ain't jadelike
>mfw
>mfw no face

>>22447760
They actually give you the basic concept earlier when the Tleilaxu and company are plotting to assassinate Paul, the main thrust is about gholas and the like but there's a line, almost throwaway that the Tleilaxu created their own Kweisatz Haderach, and it did not go well for them. It was invincible and undefeatable and terrible to behold. But when it became the antithesis of itself it destroyed itself.

>"A creature who has spent his life creating one particular representation of his selfdom will die rather than become the antithesis of that representation," Scytale said.
>"I do not understand," Edric ventured.
>"He killed himself," the Reverend Mother growled.

He became his own antithesis and thus could not continue as the absolute existence he had to be.

Any good books with cunny + ugly bastard duo?

>>22447808
bump

Kaijubros…

>>22446764
Just beware that you will stop reading fantasy after Bakker as everything would seem super shit in comparison

>>22447808
>>22447811
age

>>22447814
He’s not even the best writer in dark fantasy. That goes to Lovecraft, Clark Ashton Smith, and Gene Wolfe.

>>22447815
15 yo is fine

>>22447826
age as in 上げる you fucking newfag.
And that is a HAG not cunny.

>>22447825
whenever someone praises Lovecraft you know that person never read Lovecraft and just played videogays or some adjacent crap. Lovecraft was a terrible fucking writer even for his time, CAS was immesurably better but wrote only short fiction

>>22447833
Guh duh guuuh du gu

>>22447827
まじそれやめてくれよw見てて痛い
恥じ入れよ

>>22447846
What are you trying to say? Use English.

sffg niggas would sooner read 150000 chapters of chinks cultivating their microdicks than the purest fantasy kinoteka like this

>>22447833
>terrible writer in his own time
Except he corresponded with dozens and dozens of contemporary writers who thought he was goated with the sauce.
>you don’t le read!!!
I know this is stock insult here, but the only people who diss Lovecraft’s style are usually very illiterate for not picking up on influences by Poe, Machen, James, Blackwood, Milton, and Shelley. I’m practically chortling now imagining this simpleton, with dilapidated mind, trying to find meaning in such alien fields of high-minded supernatural horror.

>>22447826
The Tamuli, eddings had two sides, one side was pedo (the tamuli) and the other side was female pedo (belgariad/malloreon)

What good fantasy doesn't have video game battles where people cast blink then backswipe?

>>22447878
Robert E Howard
The Broken Sword

>>22447864
I'm reading generic fantasyslop from the early 90s

>>22447813
Read With if you want kino Kaiju.

>>22447890
Worm*

>>22447264
Is Dungeon Crawler Carl actually good?

>>22447864
After being burned by The Cellar from /sff/ I'm only taking xianxia recs.

>>22447901
I had never heard of it but I was backreading a few threads and saw a posting of it. I read the first page and was like nah.
yall need jesus

>>22447878
Dragonball >>>/a/256721760
>>22447903
No the problem was there was too few scenes with joni, and what little we did have with her was cut and then she doesn't appear in any other books. I'll stick to asstr and atf for erotica from now own.

>>22446879
Because the other 10% look like China and Japan.

>>22447897
Yes, if it's something you'd like it.

>>22447947
My fantasy looks like Philippines.

>>22447488
>I'll read anything but preferably it should be immediately engaging and a lot of focus on twisted yet compelling characters.
Try the RR serial Pith if you want torture porn.

What are other sci-fi classics that are musts for getting into the genre? So far I've read
>Ender's Game (incredible)
>Dune (a slog but an important one)
>Neuromancer (no idea what the fuck I read but it still stuck with me)

>>22447961
R.Scott Bakker - Second Apocalypse

>>22446740
>Currently reading:
The Goblin Emperor by Kathrine Addison
WOT series (again) by Robert Jordan/Brandon Sanderson
The Burning Series by Evan Winters

>Have read:
Raksura series by Martha Wells
Drizzt series (Up to Thousand Orcs) by R. A. Salvatore
A Brother's Price by Wen Spencer
City of Bones by Martha Wells
A bunch of the 40k books by Various Authors
Warrior of Altaii by Robert Jordan
A Song of Ice and Fire by George R. R. Martin
Life and Death by Stephanie Meyer

Am I a degenerate?

normalfags BE GONE

>>22447878
Fafhrd and Grey Mouser

>>22447961
>I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream

Around 11 pages or so, but from a vibrant author that holds a special place in the genre.

>The Foundation series by Asimov

Asimov is a classic recommendation, not to everyone's tastes but the sociological and future histories contained are influential.

>Fahrenheit 451 or 1984 or Brave New World

Read one of the boiler plate dystopias

>Snowcrash

You liked Neuromancer, if you want to continue cyberpunk read a loving self-serious parody of it

>>22447970
No, you're not.
You wouldn't even really know how to be.

>dune
Do people actually read this ancient jewish fanfic?

>>22447989
Explain, if you would.

>>22447994
Do you not see the last few threads of people talking about xianxia and child rape novels? Xianxia is more degenerate.

>>22448000
I just got here man, a work buddy told me to come to this thread.

>>22448005
逆天邪神 by 火星引力 is bretty good desu

>>22447970
You appear to read garbage but that doesnt make you a degenerate

>reads Lord of the Mysteries
>kino world-building
>bland af MC
When will Klein become an actual character?
I am already at sequence 5, and I still can't quite see him as anything else but an empty self-insert.

I'm reading Book of the New Sun.
Any other works with this many literary allusions and references to stuff outside genre fiction?

>>22447781
>>22447789
>cunny
Sauce?

>>22447178
>Our own way - harem lit
Author: Misty Vixen, hmm is it any good? I have had enough scifi series recently and I wanna read some SoL fantasy romance for a refreshing change, but since the author is a woman, can she write male fantasies well?

>>22447459
>>22447467
>>22447495
>>22447695
Thanks.
>sleevejob
You learn something new everyday...
>on liberal interventionism
I don't think it's that biased.
The prominent liberal interventionist is the one being followed the closest for most of the narration, so they're his ideas regarding the war being expressed most often and the clearest, but from his own and the Culture's actions it seems to me that, when in a difficult situation, he stops giving a shit about the values he purports as most important to him, like life, while the Culture does EVERYTHING in the most """humane""" way possible.
Then again, I'm only at page 334.

>>22448299
Anon. I don't think 'Misty Vixen' is a real person, much less a person with a real vagina.

>>22447864
>kinoteka

>>22447864
it's zoomers with fried brains and zero attention span. that's why they read trash that may as well have been written by AI. they don't need to pay attention and think because there's nothing to pay attention to

>>22448437
You sound like somebody who thinks that rap is crap

Just applied for unemployment benefits
What should I buy if I get the $700/fortnight? Maybe a rare first edition hardback of Prince of Nothing?

>>22448462
Shouldn't you be surviving on that instead of buying shit, anon?

>>22447808
My diary

>>22447518
>Kneel Gayman bought the Lafferty estate back in 2011 I believe and since then has done nothing with it. No republishing or unknown manuscripts printed. No one knows why it seems but if you see him please ask.
Probably because Lafferty was a far-right chud

>>22447959
Pith off.

>>22448290
Lolita. You may want the Annotated version

>>22448481
Rent is $145/week
Food is $50/week
Internet is $25/month
Water is $50/month
Gas is $50/month
Electricity is $75/month
So I have $420 to spend on entertainment

>>22448527
No?
700-290
410 after rent
310 after food
278 after water
246 after gas
182 after internet and electricity

>>22448538
I said $700 a fortnight
700 x 2 = 1400
1400 - 580 = 820
820 - 200 = 620
620 - 25 = 595
595 - 50 = 545
495 - 75 = 420
420 a month... which is 210 dollars per fortnight left over

>>22448546
Gee I wonder why you are unemployed

>>22448558
How the fuck is it $182? I missed $50 on water in calculating, but that's bc we don't usually even pay it because we have credit and I haven't had to pay for months.

>>22448558
Oh wait I didn't even miscalculate. I just forgot to write "545 - 50 = 495"
You are weird, nigger. I have 420 a month, which is one expensive collectable per month.

>>22448572
You are why I will always vote red. Enjoy your 182 while your landlord finds a way to kick you out.

>>22448580
>vote red
I'm obviously not an Amerimutt.
>landlord finds a way to kick you out
You actually can't kick out people in Australia if they're on benefits. Also, no one ever would because benefits are more stable than most work lol.

>>22448585
Then I will laugh when your countries is taken over by chinks

>>22448587
>your countries is taken
t. Chink in question

>>22448588
I wirra fucka your daughta impregnate in 1 shot because of erraphant tusk tea.

>>22448594
Is that what Xianxia is about?

>>22448596
Not it's about killing the granpad because he is ripping up heaven and earth to kill you after you killed his son after he ripped up heaven and earth because you fuckaed his daughter or killaed his son.

>>22448601
For BL xianxia it's about killing the grandma because she is trying to kill you fucked the dad for trying to kill you after you fucked the son or killed the daughter.

>>22448462
buy the hardcover of the illustrated Gormenghast

>>22447518
I read Past Master and very much did not like it
but your description of Fourth Mansion sounds cool

>>22447961
I wouldn't call Ender's Game a classic desu. The second reply pretty much nailed it. I would also say any of the "big four" HG Wells novels (not as great as the other recs but still influential), and at least a few short stories by Asimov in addition to his Foundation series, and also Frankenstein.

>>22447813
I fucking hated the first book. everything was fine EXCEPT the main character (author self insert). Fucker was insufferable.

>>22448170
What are you talking about
Klein is a very good MC, kind with a mild personality that gets things done despite being thrown in a crazy world.
Wanna read a loud and obnoxious protag then COI is right there after you finish LOTM

>>22448299
I think it's good just don't expect the best writing of the world

What is the /lit/ equivalent of Gundam Seed/Destiny?

>>22448392
>The prominent liberal interventionist is the one being followed the closest for most of the narration
What? Horza is the opposite of a liberal interventionist. The Culture provoked the war despite outwardly decrying conflict purely because they disliked the warlike empire culture.

>>22448929
Every mediocre Tolkien clone. Sword of Shannara would be my pick.

>>22448392
>The prominent liberal interventionist is the one being followed the closest for most of the narration, so they're his ideas regarding the war being expressed most often and the clearest, but from his own and the Culture's actions it seems to me that, when in a difficult situation, he stops giving a shit about the values he purports as most important to him, like life, while the Culture does EVERYTHING in the most """humane""" way possible.
when he talks about "life" being victorious over The Culture, did you really take that as his objective being literally "keeping biological entities alive as long as possible"? anon...
I have no idea what you mean by the changer being a mary sue either - the narrative begins with him failing, in the meat of the novel he is constantly outmanoeuvred and beaten by various people ostensibly on his level (balveda, the strategist from the culture, the idirans), and in the end he dies for nothing along with everyone he cares about and even had he succeeded it would have been a change of a few months in an inevitably losing cause regardless while his race gets genocided and the idirans lose their empire forever

>>22446740
i have time for only one of those, should i read book of the new sun or hyperion 1&2?

>>22449300
Get more time and read dying earth in this order. Or read Hyperion

>>22449300
>>22449431
Great post anon, very original but just started three body problem and i'm wondering when does it gets good? are the witcher books any good? Only played Witcher 3 and the netflix's series. Just started Eye of the World when does WoT gets good?? Any books like dark souls/berserk/Bloodborne??? Any books like FF/Dragon Quest/Tales of..??!! Any books with N'Wahs?Kvothe is a cuck, will slob Martin ever finish winds of winter??? Abercrombie is Reddit-tier?? Are the dune sequels worth it or should i stop with god emperor of dunc? Should i read the Hyperion sequel???? Did severian fucked his grandma? Is severian a clone? Any books with chinks? Any books like fallout/metro? Any books where the mc gets cucked? Any books where the mc Doesn't get cucked?? Stormlight book 5 when? Will kaladin fuck the fairy?? is the Eisenhorn trilogy a good place to start with W40k??? Or should i watch 4hours YouTube vid about le EPIC lore??? Any books with young petite women? Any books with old thick women? Any books with MANLY men like David Gemmell? Soulcatcher or Lady who is the better waifu? When does malazan gets good?? I didn't finish highschool so i can´t understand Malazan?!?! Any books with chida??!! When does ASOIAF gets good??!? When does Farseer gets good?? When does lightbringer gets good?? When does codex alera gets good??? When does Lord of The Isles gets good?? Dunsany is king or bakker??
Any books with incest?

>>22448929
Here
>>22446846
and here
>>22449450

>>22449300
>i have time for only one of those
Oh no, is it cancer? My condolences mate

Any loli sci fi books about extracting the elixir of life from the bodies of raped child sex slaves on an altar of sacrifice? Preferably involving vampires on a tropical island.

>>22446879
Because they're set in Europe
>>22447363
Check out Fountains of Paradise and I Robot if you haven't.
Time Ships by Baxter also.
You might enjoy Larry Niven as well, check out Crashlander.

>>22447833
Clark Ashton has better prose but I found his stories quite dull and empty except for the occasional imagistic flourish. I can't even tell you what happens in them. I remember a dude visiting alien worlds in a dream, a pillar of fire, and one where a dude goes into a sexy vampire ladies ghost house or some shit.
Lovecraft can be a little clunky but wrote fucking bangers. I'll never forget Rats in the Walls, Color Out of Space, or Call of Cthulhu for as long as I live. There's a reason he's had such a legacy and CAS is a footnote touted about by people who feel the need to feel superior.

>>22449431
Problems with that chart:
- Dying Earth is barely about Earth dying. Other than characters mentioning it here and there its a fairy normal fantasy. And the stories never have any serious stakes, mostly its like Cugel being a based retard
- City at the End of Time is a godawful YA trash

>>22447961
The Time Machine
The Stars My Destination
The Left Hand of Darkness
Ringworld

The absolute state of this fucking general.

>>22449523
But Dying Earth is the OG can't really take it away and it would be silly to. Here is an update on books. Someone make a new chart I guess. >>22449431

The Nightland
Awake in the Nightland
The Dying Earth
The Eyes of the Overworld
Cugel’s Saga
Rhialto the Marvellous
Songs of the Dying Earth
A Quest for Simbilis
Nifft the Lean
Gullible’s Travels (Fools Errant/Fool Me Twice)
Dark is the Sun
Zothique
The Last Continent: New tales of Zothique
The Pastel City
A Storm of Wings
In Viriconium
Viriconium Nights
An Alien Heat
The Hollow Lands
The End of all Songs
The Shattered Goddess
Book of the New Sun 1-4
Urth of the New Sun
The Book of the Long Sun 1-4
The Book of the Short Sun 1-3

>>22447970
Read The Broken Sword

Halfway through this, feels like I'm reading Wolfe but not godawful.

The pushing of Darrell Schweitzer has been going on for several years, but I think it's one of the least annoying ones. Here's a sample post from 2019. >>/lit/thread/14118941#p14119780
There's been uptick this month though, from the same guy saying to talk to him directly on eBay and buy his books.

>>22449681
Did Darrell Schnitzel molest you back in '19 or something you autismo? I downloaded the book cause one of the anons recommended it a few ago when I asked for standalone fantasy novels

>all the good and smart characters are women
>all the evil, weak and stupid character are men
wtf i love modern writing now?

>>22447027
Then there's this specific image posted 76 times since May 2022, though it's probably more with others. This anon is basically using an avatar since he posts with it as well unlike some of the others.

just about to finish book 2 of the red rising series. It's a fun romp but I can't help but feel that the series is SUPERRRR YA and surface level, despite the author making multiple overtures of trying to debate democracy vs autocracy. Growing up in a capitalist world, I can't imagine the ownership class tolerating a star system wide caste system that is so unstable that a random teenage boy can start a civil war and summarily depose the leader. I get that the world used to be like that, with merchants being below the aristocracy, but I just can't see society going back that way, and the author hasn't really convinced me that his universe is believable at all.

Idk if I'm just being autistic but when I read other scifi books (the culture series comes to mind), I'm not constantly being like "this makes no sense," but i'm not sure if that's because the worlds in that universe aren't in the solar system, so I can suspend my disbelief more.

It's a good series though, and it's worth reading. I just don't know how believable the universe is. I also find it questionable how the kids from the school are all coming back together again to fight a civil war where they could all be executed. I've never run into a single one of my university friends in industry, and we're talking about one world, not seven + moons + stations etc. It's just not really realistic or plausible, and screams YA. Realistically the MC would just meet a character with bigger tits and completely get over his highschool crush.

some 90 year old dude was next to me on a plane reading Malazan Book of the Fallen, is the series good?

>>22449735
So then I looked up the RevInsan poster, who intentionally or not, is trickier because he uses several different images which means they have different image hashes. This does a bit to obscure the 100s of time it's been posted over the last few years. Interestingly, both the Bayne and RevInsan spammers/ritualposters/pushers have a time where it was posted several times in a row with only the word "None" posted along with it. Coincidence? Maybe. It remains unclear how anons are doing these threadly posts. Personally, I think several of them are the same anon, though probably not all of them.

>>22449735
I can go back to actual avatarposting if you would like me to. I just (god forbid!) want to discuss books I enjoy--unfortunately they do not align with the thread meta of popularity and special selection only.
>>22449788
See >>22446846

>>22449814
thanks bro I was looking for an actual post not a meme post

>>22449817
A meme post for a meme post. Lurk warosu moar, entitled newfag.

>>22449814
So you'te admitting that you post that other spam you replied to you as well about the stuff that isn't what you want to talk about l? Good to know. Any others you post?

>>22449826
I'm not the creator of >>22446846 if that's what you're implying. I do agree with it, however.

>>22449818
>wah wah
kys and go back

>>22449830
Oh, ok, but you've been avatarposting with that image since mid-2016. That's longer than I thought it'd be. Time really passes. Also the same complaints the entire time. Amazing.

>>22449833
Go back to where? Before /lit/ existed, without insufferable newfags like you? Gladly, if only I could.
>>22449839
I don't post it much anymore. I've long since lost any meaningful interest in the unfinished Cosmere. I aim to be consistent. The quality between 2016 and now has changed little, marinated in the bottom of this puddle full with grime.

>>22449848
Your consistency in marinating yourself in the bottom of this puddle full with grime isn't to be admired. What other feeling could there be than pity?

>>22449499
Great recommendations! Larry NIven is a natural choice for this; I loved in A Mote In God's Eye how detailed the ship's structure and culture was, if that carries over to his other works then that's a sure bet.

An anon mentioned a long time ago on this board that he loved the bureaucracy of Rama more than its exploration, and I think that review of Clarke was the genesis of my being interested in that sort of plot, the expertise and human professionalism clashing with the emotions of the unknown. Good work, thank you for the earnest suggestion!

>>22446879
>>22446764
This one isn't much like Europe. It's based on North America more. Bakker is from Canada and the setting has an ancient civilization in the far north that was destroyed in the "First Apocalypse." The Far North in its ruined state feels far more like the creepy emptiness of endless, uncaring, dense and dark boreal forest and the tundra beyond them. The Demua and the area around them are based on the Canadian Rockies for sure. The Three Seas are more like the Gulf of Mexico.

Culturally it's not like Europe at all either. Zeum is Africa, not northern Spain like it might seem on the map. Kian is essentially the Levant and Middle East. The Jiunati Steppe has a Scythian/Hun type people. The Nanaur Empire is Byzantium. But to the South is modeled more on India.

The plot follows the First Crusade extremely closely, right down to how the battles go down, but outside of the Nansur being Byzantium the other crusader people's are less obviously based on any one European culture.

>>22449887
If only there were better pastures.

>>22446764
>>22446879
>>22449944
Oh and it is more like a late Dark Ages type setting, with the Byzantium stand in and Muslim empires being appropriately more developed, then your traditional European high middle ages setting like Game of Thrones or the Witcher. There are some anachronisms that make the setting more like antiquity than the middle ages, but then the main themes seem more drawn from 1080 than your normal fantasy, which is looking at more around 1380.

IMO, Antiquity, especially Far Antiquity (before 300 BC or so) and the Reformation are under used fantasy settings. Authors tend to cluster their settings from like 1200ish to 1400.

He's right about Peake, Moorcock, and Mieville.
https://superversive.livejournal.com/35211.html

>>22449963
nta, but maybe the literal settings aren't used that much but "what if ancient Rome, but the FUTURE" is overused.

>fantasy have romance scenes in female pov
God damn they're so utterly discomforting to read as a straight white male

>>22447864
I've already read most of Vance and a ton of old greats. (still have a few in the backlog like Lanier, Pratt, Saberhagen, Norton and St. Clair)
The reason why i'm reading Xianxia now is that nothing NEW coming out is any good.

>>22450128
Just self insert as the guy and fap

>>22450128
Makes sense, white men are very averse to sex and procreation

>>22449300
Depends
Does this image https://files.catbox.moe/riuh9r.jpg arouse you?

Started reading The Stone of Farewell today so far everything seems much faster paced compared to The Dragonbone Chair and everything has this "shits about to get real" vibe early on which I'm enjoying a lot but I really do like Tad Williams slow attention to detail when describing everything as he slowly unravels everything it makes his world that much more charming.

>>22447261
>no Culture
>no Sword of Shadows
>no Thomas Covenant
>no good YA
diggy

>>22449818
>warosu
Uhh I looked on there and there's a .webm of a little girl getting naked and showing her vagina

I am going to be honest guys Gene Wolfe is filtering me hard out of fantasy genre, reading his works makes me not want to read fantasy ever again

It's stupid to criticize a dying earth story by how much of it revolves around the earth dying.
Yes of course it's dying. In the same way you start aging after you stop growing. Doesn't mean you are going to die right away.

>>22450387
https://www.siriusfiction.com

>>22448929
I don't know what Gundam is but check out Cordwainer Smith

>>22449431
No the 5th head of cerberus? Grim

>>22449982

>The fact that ironic writers (and the critics who worship them) think of themselves as the only true realists under the canopy, and dismiss everyone else as romantics and escapists, merely shows what nonsensical meanings have become attached to the word realism. It is somehow ‘realistic’ to write about ugliness, but not about beauty; about cowardice, but not courage; about villains, but not heroes. Yet everyone with a normal aesthetic sense and a little inclination to travel (instead of seeing the world through the distorting eye of television) can see that nature contains far more beauty than ugliness; and everyone who has a nodding acquaintance with human beings knows that genuine villains are as rare as genuine saints

KINO

What is some good fictional world without feminism? Such as Warhammer with its many novels. But without strong and indenpendent women?

>>22450387
Maybe start with something easier? Gene Wolfe is the deep end

>>22450440
5th head is dying earth??? wut

>>22450577
Is it a zoomer thing to like the prequels?

How do we feel about Alistar Reynolds? I enjoyed Revelation Space and Redemption Ark, let down by Absolution Gap.
I haven't read any of his short stories or other fiction, but I've heard good things about The Prefect and House of Suns. .
>>22449944
I'm about halfway though it right now, and I'm honestly impressed that he remembered the Peoples Crusade. That seems to get glossed over or forgotten a lot.

>>22450796
If you want to know then join the Goodreads group in the OP then look up the individual books to an see overview of how they were rated by /sffg/ members . If you want just a very basic summary, then: mixed, tending towards negative. If you want my personal opinion I can provide a link.

>>22450796
I liked Rev Space but that book really needed another run through an editor imo, some of the descriptions of things went on for way too long. I loved the horrorshow that the nostalgia for Infinity/the captain became. I only made it about halfway or so through Red ark, most of the characters just weren't interesting enough and some of theme for as far as I got didn't seem relevant at all (like that mechanic dude)

What kind of ending for a 4 book series was that?

>>22450918
"Guyal of Sfere" is the ending. All the rest are stories of idiots fucking around before the sun goes out.

What audioboook next=

Redpill me on gene wolfe

Is Cugel a nietzschean overman personified?

>>22450991
He's an iceberg that you get more and more out of after each reread. Very rewarding. He is not for the faint of heart though. He will filter millions. I recommend starting with The Fifth Head of Cerberus or The Wolfe Archipelago. If those are too much even after picking it over with a helpful podcast like those cucks over at Alzabo soup, I suggest attempting his most accessible work The Sorcerers House. Good luck

>>22450967
Jefferson Mays' reading of The Expanse are top notch audiobooks

>>22451010
I have read the book of the new sun. I'm just asking for redpills as i seem to be bluepilled.

>>22451033
But there's a TV show for that. I need further guidance.

>>22451046
Listen to Alzabo Soup if you want all the secrets revealed, or reread like I said.

>>22451051
The TV show is the same overall story but it's told in a different way from the novels. It's actually nice because it makes checking out the other version still feel fresh.

>>22451056
I know the secrets. I want to hear the outrageously contrarian take. That's what redpill means, right?

>>22450991
Generic fat american midwit who dumps his liberal overeducation into his painfully bad works without a warrant. As expected, has a rabid fanbase of people with gender dysphoria, the kind who speedrun videogames.

>>22451062
ok I'll just need 1 peer review on this post and I'll go

>>22451065
>liberal overeducation
I thought he was an engineer?

>>22451064
You know ALL the secrets? Even I do and I am a megaWolfehead
Outrageous contrarian takes is not redpill no.

Now that the dust has settled, what does /sffg/ think of The Expanse?

>>22451062
>>22451066
Hi it me mr. unique ip man here, this anon knows what he's talking about frfr ong no cap.

>>22451083
alright, audiobook in execution

me drunkmaxxing btw

Uh oh

>>22451065
Based, overrated by this garbage board and the cucks that inhabits it

>>22451082
see
>>22450856

>>22451066
I've watched the TV series and read and written about all the books. I agree with this post.

>>22450440
5th Head isn't Dying Earth. Speaking of, just picked it up from a used bookstore.

>>22451101
So the endless chink ai harem webnovel fetish shit is fine though got it.

>>22451082
Love it, it's just realistic enough with its theoretical technology I can almost believe that it could be how humanity would be living in our solar system. I'd probably go as far as to say Avasarala is one of my all time favorite POV characters in SciFi.

>>22451126
Well according to wolfetards you need to reread all 20 randomly ordered New/Old/Long/Short Sun books at least 5 times each to begin compehending the fat master's genius at using words that do not exist, which would take about as long as reading a typical cultivationslop

Ancillary Justice... yes or no?

>>22451122
Yes it is

>>22451133
She is rather great. Fortunately she plays much more of a role in the TV series because of that.

>>22451154
How do feel about tea, talking through your problems, and referring to characters with the generic "she"?

>>22451161
Redpill me on 5th Head being dying earth.

Can this be read as a stand alone? Can’t find English translations of the rest of the series and I don’t wanna waste time reading it if it’s not a complete story in its own

>>22451173
What?

Gotta say I love George Guidall's Piter voice, it's like a less irritating version of Roy Dotrice's Varys.

Do we like The Hyperion Cantos?

>>22451211
Only the first.

>>22451196
How is 5th Head of Cerberus a dying earth book? I do not think it is one at all, but I've only read it once.

>>22451221
Well you need to re-read it, fren.

>>22451189
looks fucking terrible

>>22449607
>>22449681
I fell for the meme and plan to read it on my plane ride tomorrow

>>22451221
he's trolling

>>22447027
>last book you read
Sabriel by Garth Nix. Solid book, grabbed me in the last third of it.
>current book you are reading
Martyr, by Anthony Ryan. Book 2 of his latest trilogy. An alright series, but I think the main character feels a little inconsistent.
>next book you plan to read
Elder Race by Adrian Tchaikovsky. I've put it off for a while but I've got nothing else to read now.

>>22450654
It absolutely is. Lucas knew what he was doing marketing those movies to kids.

Thoughts on Eragon?

>>22451442
I want to use the freshly hatched dragon as a fleshlight

>>22447264
>Dissonance
Its fucking shit mate.

>>22451447
They're all shit, that entire genre is a joke.

>>22451276
No, he isn't.

>>22451448
Dungeon Crawler Carl is rough and first but it actually ends up being not that bad

Does xianxia where the protagonist comes from low spiritual energy planet count as dying earth? What about no spirit energy except for ancient treasures.

>>22451474
What about no spiritual energy in the entire universe except ancient treasures or hidden realms. (of course ripping space after the first few books to find a better universe for cultivating)

Is scifi regressing?

>>22451596
What do you mean by that?

>>22451596
It can't regress if you don't read new scifi

>>22451596
Yes all literary genres regress after they are translated to graphic novels and motion picture. Scifi died along time ago, xianxia is in the process of dying and litrpg-xianxia fusion is the current wave in literature.

>>22450918
In the tabletop I've seen the power levels being given as Cugel-tier, Turjan-tier, and Rhialto. Vance surely looked longingly at his created world and wanted a more elevated view on things, the stories of Rhialto are by far the most heightened yet also base examples of human behavior. For that scene of Cugel selling the rescued maiden to backwoods thugs there's the scene where Rhialto and all the other wizards try and orchestrate a time stop so that they can win a raffle.

Rhialto explores some grandiose scenes of war and battle that are alien to the rest of the series, they're far more personal quests. But it does so by even making them captives to captivity, they enslave djinns to work powerful magicks and thus are removed from true workings of the universe by bland degrees. I'm not sure what the end of Vance's Dying Earth should have been, I foolishly wanted him to explain more of that wonderful setting like telling me why exactly Ascolais is in the Land of the Falling Wall, but ending with Rhialto coming back from a fabulous adventure and then ordering his manse cleaned up is fitting, a return to mundanity from that sunset world.

>>22450796
I like that he blends in horror and procedural elements with his sci-fi, he has a knack from deriving horror or strangeness from matter of fact things that even slightly softened science must endure. The ultranaut society, the stigmata virus, the answer to the Drake Paradox; quite a few modern genre works owe him all due respect (Mass Effect).

His characters however tend to be lacking, at their most interesting they are used to explore concepts or hopefully their ideology and purpose in the world created. The House of Suns, and this isn't really a spoiler, presents a simple concept of how do you order your memories in your head when you've existed for millenia? I couldn't tell you much about the character at this point, but I can remember how they worked through that conundrum.

>>22451082
I will always respect how it tried to do as many different plots and genres of science-fiction as possible. It starts off with what I termed the Three Dystopias: you have resource starved armed rebellion Belters, fascist utilitarian Mars, and Earth turned into a parody of a welfare state swollen with proles on the dole. Then it goes into horror, cosmic horror, colonization, even space opera!

Should i read Dune

>>22446764
I've been absent from this board for almost a year and the very first post I see is Bakker cock sucking. Will you fags ever let go of him? He isn't even good.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0018442X10000211

>>22449717
>John Scalzi
There's your problem.

im going to try writing a fantasy novel again :)

Finished Saving Supervillains
What's good next?

I fucking hate how sleeping interrupts good reading sessions man, biology is bullshit bros...

>>22451857
right now this thread is pretty much bakkerspam (reduced), webnovels. the odd wolfe mention and the review autist.
Can't exactly complain when I'm currently reading webnovels too but the variety might be at an all time low even if the spam is less obnoxious

>>22451821
First book, yes, avoid the rest like plague

>>22452204
Now that I finished the daily novellas there will be much less. I'm not sure when I'll be posting about another book I read again. It may not be for several threads. I don't know. We'll see what I end up doing.

>>22452233
I just finished reading the first book, and came out of it thinking it was OK at best, though the liturgical segments felt too masturbatory (and like a poor man's Wolfe). I came into it expecting, and the first 200 pages gave the impression of political struggle between two factions, but it ended up being a sort of hamfisted messianic journey complete with ridiculous religious ubermensch supersoldiers. Not terrible overall, though.

Does it lean more into the pseudoreligious side of it going towards the rest of the series? If not I probably won't bother with it.

>>22452351
>If not
I meant if so. the religious references were probably impressive for a north american scifi author in the 1980s but they come across as very trite today.

>>22447027
>last book you read
Sharp Objects by Flynn. modern female written female driven noir/mystery, it was pretty good
>current book you are reading
Authority by Vandermeer. banal Lynchian W E I R D office politics. I honestly like it but I can see people thinking it's painfully slow and dull
>next book you plan to read
probably finish out Southern Reach trilogy by reading Acceptance.

>>22452351
>>22452354
Yes, it does.

>>22452354
What you do mean? Do you think that religion is more developed or different today? What about way before C.S. Lewis was writing Christian SF in the 1930s.

>>22452379
>unironically reading FagDerQueer
ngmi

>>22452388
Would ironically reading be better?

>>22452386
I think the average reader is more knowledgable about religion today compared to the 1980s, to the point where a reference to (for example) certain requirements within Islam or Hinduism that are included constantly might be more impressive and esoteric back then, when those cultures weren't common and well explored in the western world.

>>22452400
I'm an atheist, but it's painfully obvious that orthodoxy is the "one true" christian church. All the others are either pozzed to hell (lol) or care more about fun and games or culture war retardation than spirituality.
So considering that most don't even know their own religion I doubt they know much if anything about others. Maybe in some hyper shallow sense but who cares about that.

>>22452400
Oh, well, sure, with all the diversity moments going on and the proliferation of non-white, non-christian, non-heterosexual, non-cisgender authors, you may be right. That does seem to reduce it to novelty though, which may not be charitable and exposes a bias against anything that isn't Current Year.

>>22452411
I assure you that I am on several far right terror watchlists. With that said, I cringe a bit when I read about the Fremen observing "Ramadhan".

>>22452417
> I assure you that I am...far right terror(ist).
We got him to confess. Bag'em and tag'em. Go, go, go.

>any religion today
>the one true
the world would be healthier if every molochian cultist were murdered

>>22452458
is that you varg? how are the kids?

>>22452458
Note that I said '"one true" christian church'

>>22452463
i don't know who your celebrity is
>>22452464
>true
>christian anything
and this is why i am laughing at you.

>I think the average reader is more knowledgable about religion today compared to the 1980s
yet people still have the most basic of bog-standard "I grew up being taught x so x is true" belief-system

>>22452476
You grew up being taught paganism on the internet.

>>22452516
BAZINGA! EPIC OWNAGE!!

After reading webnovel slop for so long, it kinda feels nice to read a proper novel with editing and well thought story

>>22448933
>the Culture provoked the war
Idiran propaganda to justify their expansion at the expense of anybody else.
>purely because they disliked the warlike empire culture
That's what makes them not liberal interventionists.
They didn't go to war to support a democracy, or however you want to put it, rather because they wanted to uphold their own values and challenge others, even when it meant going to war for it.
Horza on the other hand doesn't seem to care very much about shit, and is choosing to help one side instead of the other because it's the less worse side, which is, in turn, less worse only because it's the side that has a societal structure a tad more similar to the one he grew up in.
He's much closer to a real world liberal interventionist than the Culture is.
>>22448958
>keeping biological entities alive as long as possible
Clearly not, and he himself spells out that it's not the case multiple times throughout the story.
He does flaunt about being a good guy and not wanting people to die needlessly, and he doesn't achieve that any more than the culture, but more to my earlier point, he insists that the Culture is the opposite of life since the machines will eventually take over the humans and eliminate them in their quest for efficiency and goodness, he says at some point that even """sentient""" machines would do what was told them despite their supposed sentience, but then he orders the CAT crew around, putting them in a position where they can't do absolutely anything else but obey, caring about humans significantly less than the Culture does.

I'll finish reading it and see what I think then.

>>22452539
Until you realize that the space of possibilities is too limited and you can predict what happens next word, line, paragraph, page, chapter with 90% accuracy. And you pray that you could have even a tenth of the magic that a stat-progression-xianxia webnovel has.

>>22452564
Why do you care so much about unpredictability?

>>22448933
The entire concept of the Culture even having warships arose as a /response/ to the Idiran conflict.

Is it good?

>>22452546
>Idiran propaganda to justify their expansion at the expense of anybody else.
This isn't true at all. The strategist woman herself, as well as the (presumably impartial) narrator in the appendices outright state that Idiran expansion held no threat to Culture space, and the Idirans had no real interest in expanding into their space. The shock and awe campaign was meant to force a quick deal and end the war.
>>purely because they disliked the warlike empire culture
>That's what makes them not liberal interventionists.
You are saying that they are not liberal interventionists because they intervened in space that held no interest to them for purely ideological reasons, which needless to say makes no sense.
>They didn't go to war to support a democracy, or however you want to put it, rather because they wanted to uphold their own values and challenge others, even when it meant going to war for it.
They intervened to overpower an expansionist and religious empire, which is an outright ideological motive. There's a relatively contemporary example - Saddam Hussein and the Gulf War.
>Horza on the other hand doesn't seem to care very much about shit
He puts his life on the line and sides with an empire that he has no love for in order to create the smallest inconveniences for The Culture, purely because he hates their philosophy and the danger he feels they pose to the galactic community's cultural output. That is very much caring.
>which is, in turn, less worse only because it's the side that has a societal structure a tad more similar to the one he grew up in
He lists his reasons multiple times, and rather clearly. It has nothing to do with his birth society. Horza believes The Culture is an all-consuming hedonist cult that threatens to wipe out galactic struggle by subverting its own doctrines to create an expansionist foreign policy that is simultaneously despised by its own people and required for their spiritual succour - a cancer, in other words.

As for what you're saying about Horza not caring about humans - that's not the point, he is not discussing individual human lives nor does he find them particularly valuable. When Horza says "life", he means all of the hardship, hatred, suffering, and struggle that The Culture want to eliminate from the galaxy. The Idirans are used to highlight this due to their "apex predator" origins.

You seem like the type to believe this seems absurd and The Culture is objectively superior, but therein lies the moral quandary.

>>22452577
It makes my heart beat faster, it's a nice feeling.
That moment in LOTM when Klein fights megose or when he finds out about the truth of the world, damn. Pure unpredictable kino

>>22452583
>Reasons: the Culture
>It was, the Culture knew from the start, a religious war in the fullest sense. The Culture went to war to safeguard its own peace of mind: no more. But that peace was the Culture's most precious quality, perhaps its only true and treasured possession.

Spoilered for the other anon that hasn't finished the book yet. The fact that The Culture did not have any new warships was immaterial to their decision to go to war. The minds knew that their industrial capacity would overwhelm the Idirans eventually.

>>22452546
>Idiran propaganda to justify their expansion at the expense of anybody else.
>>22452583
>The entire concept of the Culture even having warships arose as a /response/ to the Idiran conflict.

>For all the Culture's profoundly materialist and utilitarian outlook, the fact that Idir had no designs on any physical part of the Culture itself was irrelevant. Indirectly, but definitely and mortally, the Culture was threatened... not with conquest, or loss of life, craft, resource or territory, but with something more important: the loss of its purpose and that clarity of conscience; the destruction of its spirit; the surrender of its soul.

>>22451154
it's a great series. It was sold to me as AI driven ships that have the personalities of anime girls taking care of their harems.

>>22451442
Loved it as a kid but if I were to re-read it I would undoubtedly think it's trash

I enjoyed Foundation and its sequels even if they are greatly outdated by today's standards. I think i will enjoy Dune and its sequels too

>>22452714
>greatly outdated
Stop with this meme

>>22452729
What meme? Social sciences have taken a completely different route in its understanding of societies and the only hard sociology is done by private companies to sell insurance while governments only take the basic statistical assumptions economist make.

>>22452714
>I think i will enjoy Dune and its sequels too
you won't

>>22452803
Why

>>22452806
Because Dune is good and then they get progressively less and less good. And as you trudge through these not good books it will kindle in you a resentment of Dune for opening the door to your reading of these horrible books. Except Hunters, that's based.

There is something wrong with this guy

Any fantasy book with lots of rape against women that aren't from baker?

>>22452819
what about the sequel and prequel stuff written by his son?

>>22452577
If I can predict the novel then my time is wasted reading it?

The Calamitous Bob has got to have the worst name out of any of the self pub/web-novel stories I've tried.
It's one of the better ones too, just really solid standard fantasy.
>>22452884
The son books are so bad that it's a long running joke amongst sff readers

>>22452596
It's fine but you can tell that he had hotboxed himself and existed in an atmosphere that was 90% his own farts for the entire time of writing it

>>22452890
Why?

>>22452879
Vance

>>22452890
That is such a faggy teenager thing to say

>>22452890
>he's a plotfag
You're right anon. YOU, specifically, personally, in particular, should not waste any time reading books.

>>22452894
>The son books are so bad that it's a long running joke amongst sff readers
Pretty fucked up that someone would shit all over their father's legacy for a quick buck

>>22452914
>Plot
Nobody said anything about plot retard. Politics is one of things that makes most novels so predictable and it's not usually directly plot related.

>>22452937
haha

>>22452937
What a non-standard usage of predictable.

>>22452848
He clearly suffered from depression and pessimism in his youth but got better and that's why all his stories have happy endings despite the dark stuff

>>22452967
The vast majority of stories share morals either implicitly or explicitly, knowing what morals and exactly how they are going to be packaged, ontop of several other things (setting, genre tropes ) and yes plot too makes the entire novel predictable.
Despite being amateurish, many web novels aren't so bad that they are incapable of being predictable. While all published novels that don't create a genre out of thick air will act as you expect them to from the first page.

>>22452884
They are all shit except winds of dune because it has more mommy Jessica goodness. Her ass is literally on the cover.

Reminder that you could read half of ATG in the time it would take you to slog through that Moses fanfic.

>>22452937
>Politics
Lol
Twitter fried your brain.

>>22452998
>ATG
What's that?

>>22453006
Against The Gods by Mars Gravity
Think of it like Coiling Dragon, but more chinese and the grandpa is a loli and also an major character.

>>22452848
Maybe. Doesn't stop him from being one of the best to ever do it.

>>22452848
everything is about violation/corruption of the body with this guy
>exceedingly many rapes
>leprosy
>involuntary cyborgism
>raping
>involuntary mutation
>involuntary surgery
>forcing someone to let you shit in their mouth
>more rapes
Chances of him not being molested as a child are slim

>>22453108
picked the fuck up

>>22453030
>loli
Do you ever stop shilling dogshit chinksect webnovels?

>>22453172
>triggered by loli
>/r/eddit

What's your favorite Satanic Archetype in fantasy?

>just finished pic related
>also hear Foundation is very good

Is Foundation better? I, Robot had interesting ideas but the characters are all annoying total no -entitities. I've never run into such shallow, 1D characters in any work of fiction

>>22453217
lol

>>22453217
Canned Niggers?

>>22453030
Any chinkshit with loli harem?

>>22453217
Foundation's characters are equally flat for similar reasons, it's essentially a compendium of short vignettes telling history across long time periods so the characters don't have a lot of time to gain personality. The framing narrative of Foundation is much stronger though, it's not just Isaac jerking off to how clever he is for coming up with the Three Laws and then smearing the cum across page after page of fairly unenchanting prose.

>>22452906
There is a bit of rape, but it's not taken seriously. Sort of throw away events that happen in the background or off screen. Fritz Leiber is the similar in that regard. Definitely would not pass today.

>>22453217
>I've never run into such shallow, 1D characters in any work of fiction
That's Asimov's trademark.

>>22453323
Any books with a hag harem?

>>22453001
t. posting cropped cuckold porn

>>22453413
our own way
castle town

For me it's Red Mars by Stanley Robinson.

>>22452848
He may be more famous for his fantasy stuff but The Gap Series is his best work. It is one of the best series I've ever read bar none. Nothing else even comes close to how he keeps ramping up the stakes and the tension. Whenever you think everyone has been through enough shit and it can't possibly get any worse for the characters, guess again.

>>22453466
Really? There's not a lot of rape in that

I'm looking for 'Boken City' of the Warhammer Crime series, its not on Lingen... Any other sources?

>>22453743
fuckin autocorrect

*libgen

>>22453743
https://annas-archive.org/
check here

Is this another "it was all a dream/ game bro" like in the other series?

What book like dark souls but incest rape

>>22452379
I'd bet on Archaeofuturist Miyazaki Patchwork as the most likely good end. Though it's uncertain how we would power the tech parts without fossil fuels.

>>22452758
It is very real that if people know about your social engineering plans then wrenches will be thrown into their gears. Economic domination is also true. Brain surgery to cure homosexuality made me LOL.

>>22452819
Sort of like the Starship Troopers and RoboCop movie franchises?

>>22452848
Can't go wrong with Götterdämmerung, enjoy the ride

>>22453325
>it's not just Isaac jerking off to how clever he is for coming up with the Three Laws and then smearing the cum across page after page of fairly unenchanting prose.
I'm stealing this

>>22453774
It's a soap opera

>>22453826
The copypasta has already been posted. Do a search next time.
>>22446846
>>22449450

>>22446946
Holy shit that's pathetic, you're just a glorified hall monitor LMFAO

>fantasy NEEDS to have romance because... it just does, okay? It's human nature
I hate this fuckin argument so much

>>22453915
I drop books that focus on romance. Read nothing but romance books years ago. sick and tired of that shit.

>>22453849
Sure but I think it's easier to just watch Robocop 1 and 2 and then stop than it is to stop in the middle of a book series.

>>22453841
I'm keeping my finger's crossed for the Post-Scarcity Post-female technoreclusion,

>>22452714
Dune, Messiah and Children, God Emperor should all be read. Heretic and Chapterhouse are the start of a new story that Frank never got to finish, they are good but incomplete.

For whatever reason Brian let Kevin J Anderson talk him into digging up his dad's corpse and making nonsensical Star Wars novels out of the immediate prequels, then the Butlerian Jihad. They follow this up by "completing" The second part of Dune with shitty sequels that replace the antagonists we were shown with the Machine Empire.

So stay with just the first four books or read the last 2 with the understanding that the story wont end.

>>22454073
>Dune is a tetralogy
Fuck off

>>22454101
You can fuck off. The Golden Path starts and happens in through Dune and God Emperor. The story of Bene Tleilax creating the problems that put it to the test is it's own thing. You believe Frank left better notes than in purple crayon, "Write Dune 7"?

look guys
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1693421537657195.webm

So, I sorted "The Expanse" books by publication date. Which one should I read first, "The Sins of Our Fathers" or "Memory's Legion"?

I'm saving money to buy an Ereader. Which one can you guys recommend?

>>22454258
Kindle Paperwhite is the best option because it is available in almost everywhere. Kobo doesn't sell to some countries, though it does have some nice features like epub support and not being tied to amazon. I'd recommend a kobo libra 2 if you can afford it

>>22454271
I read mostly at night. Is one better than the other if i plan to read from it with the lights out?