/lit/ - Literature

This is why ChatGPT is going to put writers out of business...because it can steal much more cheaply.

>>22111659
brb, rereading botns again. based fucking gene fucking wolfe.

>>22111659

Wolfe clearly influenced Martin I think Bran is going to be the character who is possibly in some sort of endless loop trying to break free of the cycle for whatever purpose in BOTNS Severian has to repeat over and over again until he ushers in the New Sun. It would make sense that Bran is the 3 Eyed Raven who orchestrated events that would lead to him being crippled thus receiving training from Bloodraven and moving onto becoming King of Westeros which is probably will what break the cycle if Bran is going the God Emperor Leto II route

How many times do you think Bran has repeated same cycle over and over? Maybe the Greenseers he saw impaled were actually him who had repeated several different previous loops and failed

>>22111659
It doesn't matter because his normie fanbase hasn't read Gene Wolfe.

>>22112360
Re-read it earlier this year. It was even better than I remembered.

>>22112430
>yfw the song of ice and fire isn't about Jon or Jon and Daenerys, but about Azor Jaime and 3 eyed Bran

>>22112360
you know i was buying a legal textbook in the local used bookstore the other day and there were these two old ass boomers walking around from aisle to aisle, persistently checking off from a list of books
they kept going in front of me so i asked them what was going on
they said “oh we’re looking for books for our grandson, we’re trying to find Gene Wolfe” and proceeded to list off a “wishlist” that came straight off this board (Gene Wolfe, Stoner, Finnegans Wake, Gravity’s Rainbow…)
was that you bud? why are you torturing your grandparents this way?

>>22112430
You mean Silk?

>>22112522
Based grandpas. Three of my grandparents were dead when I was born, and my living grandmother kept trying to convince my father to abandon me and quit his job so he could focus on his slam poetry.

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>>22112844
>3 images in the first pic
>10 memes in the second pic
Mental illness

>>22112854
Nta, but certainly your impression of a book after reading it is more expansive than your assumptions about the book prior to reading

>>22112522
>an anon has grandparents that care enough to go look for specific books for him
Happy for that anon. Hope they found a copy of BotNS for him

>>22112867
Doesn't mean you can't simplify it to fit the format.
Which is not meant to showcase your set of references or your meme knowledge.

>>22112844
Pearls before swine, and all that ...

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>>22112522
>Overall, I found nothing unique in Wolfe. Perhaps it's because I've read quite a bit of odd fantasy; if all I read was mainstream stuff, then I'd surely find Wolfe unpredictable, since he is a step above them. But compared to Leiber, Howard, Dunsany, Eddison, Kipling, Haggard, Peake, Mieville, or Moorcock, Wolfe is nothing special.
>Perhaps I just got my hopes up too high. I imagined something that might evoke Peake or Leiber (at his best), perhaps with a complexity and depth gesturing toward Milton or Ariosto. I could hardly imagine a better book than that, but even a book half that good would be a delight--or a book that was nothing like that, but was unpredictable and seductive in some other way.
>I kept waiting for something to happen, but it never really did. It all plods along without much rise or fall, just the constant moving action to make us think something interesting is happening. I did find some promise, some moments that I would have loved to see the author explore, particularly those odd moments where Silver Age Sci Fi crept in, but each time he touched upon these, he would return immediately to the smallness of his plot and his annoying prick of a narrator. I never found the book to be difficult or complex, merely tiring. the unusual parts were evasive and vague, and the dull parts constant and repetitive.
>The whole structure (or lack of it) does leave things up to interpretation, and perhaps that's what some readers find appealing: that they can superimpose their own thoughts and values onto the narrator, and onto the plot itself. But at that point, they don't like the book Wolfe wrote, they like the book they are writing between his lines.

>>22113190
>The whole structure (or lack of it)
Is this Moorcock again? Because he sounds more like a retard with every excerpt you post.

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>>22113201
He's quoting J.G. Keely, who is a decent critic most of the time but he never finished Shadow of the Torturer. Keely's list of suggested fantasy is based though.

I'm also surprised to see people still keelypost.

>>22111659
Game of Thrones is to literature what Matrix was to movies: anyone above normie level can see that it borrows heavily from other, often better, sources. That being said it did introduce normies to many of these concepts so it's not entirely bad.

>>22113190
Who are you quoting?

>>22111659
>is there anything the fat fuck didn't stole?
No, not really. I keep bumping into stuff he obviously stole from other books and I tend to feel more second hand embarrassment than he ever will.

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