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When i locked eyes with christ

>>22012810
Even before I read him.
I'm still waiting to be proven wrong, but all christcucks have is hate for being so thoroughly smoked out.

>>22012810
I realised he was wrong about Christianity when I read/listened to Parsifal for the first time.

>>22012838
>when I read/listened to
Pseud detected.

>>22012810
I realized he was wrong about it when I understood that trampling down death by death is the most masculine thing that has ever been done.
Christ is Risen. Truly He is Risen.

When I realized he was a Christian himself

>>22012810
He's right about Protestantism (brainlet german and anglo atheism). But he had no idea about Catholiciism, our Sun Savior (S)Χριστός, nor about our God (sive Natura).

When I read him.
>just go against your own judgement and will and I'm going to give you a great life when you die
>yeah bro, just live a mediocre, miserable life, that's what's a good life because it says so in this book, you see?
>seeking and realizing the will to power, living in a way that you'd be happy to live again thousands and thousands of times is not good, that's evil

>>22012868
>just go against your own judgement and will
go ask an addict to anything if he's doing it of his own will, and especially, if the 'hits' are pleasurable and good enough for it.

your problem is seeing the Bible and either misunderstanding it, or thinking yourself superior to others.
either leads you to worse chains than you accuse the free men of having. ironic.

>>22012810
Nietzsche was an agent of the counter-initiation

>>22012810
Nietzsche was a Christian

>>22012905
Go away to your transmundane copying lunacy, you untermensch garbage

>>22012858
Most of Nietzsche criticisms towards Christianity were towards how the Church turned it from a sect of Judaism into Politicized Pseudo-Paganism.

Actually read Nietzsche and the Young Hegelians, start with the Essence of Christianity.

>>22012854
This. Read Figgis

>>22013105
Feuerbach was the Antichrist

>>22013105
How does that make any sense. Didnt Nietzsche here Judaism and think Pagan spirituality was far superior? Why would he be angry at making Christianity pagan

When I read the Antichrist, fittingly

>>22013105
Nietzsche and the Young Hegelians are basically opposites in how they treat Christianity. Nietzsche thought that Judaism and paganism were both vastly superior to Christianity. Young Hegelians just pumped Christianity up to 11 and got rid of God. The Young Hegelians are the "Christian atheists" Nietzsche lambastes in Gay Science and BG&E.

>>22012905
this

>>22012846
Parsifal is an opera, dumbass

>>22013506
Okay you got me. I'm the pseud. I'll go listen to it now then.

>>22013567
Props to you for admitting it anon.
Come back and tell us what you thought when you've finished it.

>>22012838
So did Nietzsche, poor fellow.

>>22012810
>When did you appreciate just what The Ape of Zarathustra really was

>>22013698
Just started and the nameless Enkido kid is giving his backstory now. I hope he becomes the protagonist of the adventure.

>>22012810
When I read Nietzsche

>>22012810
The Antichrist is simply undeniable. The arguments are very strong. Christians are communal narcissists.

>>22013770
Okay I just finished act 2. The fool's resolve in the den of sirens is admirable. I'll have to watch the final act a little later but I'm excited to see the hero's journey back.

This isn't the rendition I've been watching but this part is awesome and is peak sigma
https://youtu.be/83MgA-KGdms

>>22014221
Blessed.
Very happy to see you enjoy it anon.

>>22012810
I discovered all that before Nietzsche, so just while reading him.

>>22012838
Same

>>22012846
It’s proper to study the libretto before viewing the opera

>>22012810
Why’s his hand in his pocket?

>>22013470
just end yourself, nick land, you will never be a jew

>christianity promotes equality among humans and empowers the disenfranchised
and this is bad, because?

>>22015522
Because it prevents trannies from cutting their dicks off

>>22015427
>It’s proper to study the libretto before viewing the opera
Nah I've just been watching it like a foreign movie with subtitles. Why would I ruin my first experience by reading it beforehand. Would you study a play before your first viewing?

>>22015527

>>22015522
Well for one thing it’s a crock.
All authority is.
Authority is necessary for a child, not adult.
Nietzsche envisions a sort of Darwinist world to forge the Übermensch

>>22015669 (distracted. Meant to add)
… to which the Christian order has prevented this, stunted it’s growth

>>22015537
Cry troon

>>22012858
>muh catholicism
kvetching tax money so they could buttfuck little boys. how are people disagree

>>22012846

HOLY KEK

>>22012810
When I became an Orthodox Christian unironically, since his criticism of protestant "Christianity" is 100% correct

>>22012817
Debate with DPH vs Uberboyo on Christianity
>Uberfaggot BTFO'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDBoFoOhjE

>>22012810
When I read the Antichrist.

Literally this week.

>>22016135
I'll take sexual rapture and economic independence over worshipping your Magic Jew any day.
>also, shopping for exotic religions
Cringe.

>>22012810
I started developing my own system and principles "from scratch". Every time I thought I was being really clever Christianity already did it and I just never knew about it. Using some understanding of neural networks which I was thinking about relatively early compared to most people I came to the conclusion that communication and therefore any attempt at unifying people under a system rests on symbolism. The most effective way to get everyone on the same page would be a unifying story, the most complex subjects have to be presented symbolically. This among a million other things I think of is starting to sound awfully familiar so I start reading about early church fathers. They all knew, they spent their lives over hundreds of years developing exactly what I'm barely starting. The real Santa Claus would fuck your mind up in a wizard battle and punch you in the face if you mentioned Arianism.
Nietzsche was right that anyone sincerely attempting to build some semblance of a future system would need to critically refine the Christian traditions.

>>22012810
read kierkegaurd

>>22014331
Okay I just finished it. Extremely powerful conclusion and it'll definitely be on my mind the next time I take the Eucharist. Thanks for sharing and God bless.

>>22014017
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>>22012854
This book destroys Christianity. Maybe Nietzsche couldn't get out but he laid the foundation. Not that it matters today because slave morality has become detached from Christianity and is arguably stronger than ever.

We are living in the most essentially Christian time since the middle ages.

>>22012847
It was more masculine when I did it four days ago because I went on to deadlift 405 right after. I am risen, truly I am risen.

>>22013123
Why am I surprised you don‘t know what psuedo means

>>22016547
Nietzche worshipped non-magic jews. Just like you he was literal cuck too.

>>22018129
>We are living in the most essentially Christian time since the middle ages.
so it didn't destroy shit because it was retarded strawman by resentful projecting little goblin?

>>22018181
After ww2 the leash was put back on out of fear, just when people were starting to get out. Secular ideology is more Christian than Christianity itself. Even more attuned to slave morality.

>>22018181
>>22018212
Humanism is Christianity to the power of ten. It's slave morality with an even stronger restraint on mental strength.

>>22012838
Wagner's idiosyncratic theological ideas amount to heresy today, for example the belief that Christ didn't resurrect. Good Friday is in Wagner's theology the day of supreme importance, not Easter. Good Friday is the day of suffering, Christ (humans) are redeemed through suffering. These are ideas informed by his study of Schopenhauer and Buddhism. Parsifal has Christian elements but it's hardly *really* Christian at its core. Nothing that denies the Resurrection can be.

>>22018235
Wagner was not a slave moralist and therefore no true Christian. What he did to please the crowds is just that.

>>22018235
>the belief that Christ didn't resurrect.
Except Wagner never denies this and the belief in it is crucial to his understanding of Christianity. Everything Wagner wrote and is recorded saying about Parsifal is Christian elucidated with the help of Schopenhauer and Buddhism, not the other way around. Parsifal as merely an allegory for Schopenhauerian metaphysics, devoid of the intimately Christian symbolism and traditions, falls flat on its face.

>Among other things, he says he will never again speak about religion, explain his ideas, for instance, regarding the blood of Christ; these are things one all of a sudden grasps—let those who can understand them, one cannot explain them.

>>22018242
>please the crowds
Nietzsche misinterpreted a joke Wagner made in their last meeting and spun it into an elaborate cope about him not being a sincere Christian. Wagner would never have opportunistic motives in art and when asked precisely this about the importance of Christianity to Parsifal he responded:

>Why, if I did not feel in my inmost soul the living light and love of that Christian faith, my works ... would be the works of a liar and an ape. My art is my prayer.

>>22018282
>Except Wagner never denies this and the belief in it is crucial to his understanding of Christianity.
I'd like to see some source on that. Genuinely curious, because I've studied Wagner quite a bit and never came across this at all. His essays of the Parsifal era (basically explaining his views on art and Christianity in art) never really mention the Resurrection. Parsifal never mentions it either. Good Friday is the important day, not Easter Sunday.
He was also a Marcionist who thought the Old Testament should be removed from the Bible btw, another example of his idiosyncratic (heretical) theology. He was very informed by Schopenhauer on these matters, who also wrote a bit on the nature of Jesus, religion in general, and Christian dogma in particular.

>>22018293
The Christian 'Wunder', or miracle, is one of the most essential elements in Wagner's view of Christianity, from really his earliest evaluation of it. The reversal of the will is idealized as a transfiguration of death and triumph over the world. That Wagner didn't follow through with his 1860s sketch for Titurel to resurrect in act 3 does not negate the essential emphasis on the miraculous. This theme is found all throughout Religion and Art. More than a rejection of the resurrection, it is a shift in focus. He didn't feel it necessary to describe Jesus resurrection, but his triumph over death, as corollary of the resurrection, was necessary for him.

Whether Wagner believed in Jesus' resurrection personally is almost irrelevant, because he understood its significance to the religion.

>>22018282
>Why, if I did not feel in my inmost soul the living light and love of that Christian faith, my works ... would be the works of a liar and an ape. My art is my prayer.

He was in a lot of ways a slave moralist, it's true. His pessimism and pity tarnish his art. But at least it helps the music because you get the sense he really wants out and it gives it furor.

>>22018431
Christianity is slavery. They don't say "Libera me" for nothing. Verdi's requiem really captures the spirit of wanting to get out.

>>22018431
I'm not convinced. I actually wrote my master's thesis in theology on Parsifal, but it's been years ago at this point and I don't think I can quickly find my old documents/sources to look into it right now. But I'll revisit the subject one of these days

>>22015534
I’m just telling you how Wagner expected it to be done. The libretto was published and sold before the opera was finished for this purpose

>>22018129
We’re living in the most Jewish time in history. The Christian aspect is small and mostly Jewish anyway.

I do agree the slave morality is present though.

>>22018456
Yeah but that's for pre-internet people that wouldn't be able to easily see operas and plays for free in the comfort of their own homes. You'd want to make sure people get their money's worth and can fully appreciate it on first viewing.
I mean I could go and read the libretto now, but it's literally just dialog and stage directions without the accompanying music.

>>22018456
Yes, in the age before subtitles.

>>22018478
What's the difference between Judaism and Christianity? Or Islam for that matter? Or Humanism?

There is none. All worship slave morality.

>>22018485
Uh, anon, his audience spoke German.

>>22018500
Have you ever actually been to the opera? Even if they sing in your native language you barely understand any of it

>>22018505
I speak French and Carmen is understandable.

>>22018282
>Nietzsche misinterpreted a joke Wagner made in their last meeting and spun it into an elaborate cope
Contra Wagner in a nutshell.

>>22018487
The difference is in the way they enforce it. Jews are particularly preoccupied with doing so but Muslims have it even worse because the Quran says you can't move an inch from it -- and they follow it willingly!

>>22018512
Cool. Lots of people disagreed with you. Prior to Wagner's Bayreuth innovations, lights were even on at the opera. So people could (among other things) keep the libretto with them to follow along. All opera houses today (even German opera's in Germany) will have German subtitles. Clearly people need them.

>>22018505
Parts of Wagner are coherent even with my limited German

>>22018539
Of course "parts" are coherent.
I don't understand why you people feel the need to argue this point lol, it's a historical fact that both today and in the past, people wanted libretti with them (either in subtitle form or paper form) to follow the opera along.

>>22018505
That's because 1. most opera composers prioritized the music over articulation which Wagner did not, and 2. contemporary opera singers are astoundingly bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyNU4AxeSI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtyTDYMKvSc

>>22018537
>>22018542
The lights were on because the opera was entertainment for a social gathering. You weren't expected to look at nothing but the opera like in Bayreuth. But it had nothing to do with being unable to understand the lyrics, and I don't think libretti were even in mass publication in the 18th century.

>>22018537
>>22018557
The important parts are very clear. Carmen je t'aime encore Carmej je T'adore!

>>22018542
Just go listen to a Handel opera in English and you'll see that it's quite understandable. I think Stravinsky also has am English opera.

>>22018563
Most of the good opera composers (Mozart, Beethoven, Weber, Verdi, Wagner, etc.) wanted the singing to be articulate because they actually cared about the stories and weren't just writing numbers like Donizetti.

>>22012810
>muh religion
>>>/his/

>>22018448
>I actually wrote my master's thesis in theology on Parsifal
Did you by any chance read Richard H. Bell? Wagnerian theology seems like a very small field.

>>22018543
Why did opera singers become worse?

>>22018615
Why did composers get worse? Why did conductors get worse? Classical culture in general is dying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBPZY8oMl8
https://www.princeton.edu/~amoravcs/library/Final%20Chapter%20Moravcsik%20v2%20Comments.pdf

>>22018608
Yes I did! Good book but only if you're really, really into Wagner/Parsifal. There were some things in there I thought were far-fetched (can't remember which precisely) but the book is solid and interesting.
>Wagnerian theology seems like a very small field.
I've also done a master's in philosophy, on Schopenhauer. The theology faculty was very lenient and basically allowed me to write a "sequel" for my second masters. It's half about Schopenhauer (and his views on Christianity) and half about Parsifal (and Wagner's views on Christianity)

>>22012815
Harrowing, isn't it?

>>22018644
Isn't Schopenhauer's pessimism ironic? That's certainly the way Wagner used it and the Nazis too. Hitler was a pessimist.

>>22018660
Ironic in what sense? Schopenhauer was very sincere in his beliefs, even if some people accused him of hypocrisy.
Wagner took some liberties with Schopenhauer's philosophy, most notably on the redemptive power of love. He didn't just incorporate his philosophy wholesale, he made it his own.

>>22018665
Pessimism just doesn't work, it was an early attempt at freedom from Christianity but it's just as corrupt. Schopenhauer was a decadent.

>>22018644
Are there any lesser known aspects of Parsifal that you think are particularly relevant to Wagner's view of Christianity? I've always found the intentional resemblance between Amfortas and Christ very interesting but have never quite been able to explain what it means.

>>22018212
>After ww2 the leash was put back on out of fear
literally retarded headcanon. It seem you live in delusions of non-existent alternate reality like a good little slave
>>22018224
bunch of gibberish when in reality we can see neetchean philosophy to it's logical conclusion leads to trannism and faggotry.

>>22018443
your kvetching and repeating same mantra like a good cuck like his mentor Neech is not an argument little troon

>>22018238
Nietzscheans

>>22018487
you make slave morality based little cuck. It's always funny your kind squirm and never state their philosophy. Never seen neetchcuck win a fight. Your ideology is an ideology of bullied middle schooler.

>>22018487
dumb goy
slave morality is to wear down the goyim dogs obviously, jews are master morality driven

>>22018723
What was an interesting rabbit hole for myself was the "Aryan Jesus" hypothesis. Schopenhauer thought that the New Testament (not the Old) was Indian in origin, because he saw fundamental disagreement between the Old and New Testament, while he saw fundamental *agreement* between the NT and Eastern religion.
During the 19th century there was a movement that held that Jesus was Aryan/Greek in origin, and therefore not a jew. Wagner subscribed to this view.
Now I don't believe (as some do) that Klingsor is an antisemitic stereotype. But it does show that Wagner thought that Christianity and Buddhism were much more intertwined than we would grant today. And he followed Schopenhauer in this. And while Schopenhauer was not a full-fledged Marcionist (he thought not that the OT should be removed, but that the NT correct its mistakes) Wagner definitely was.
The whole point of Parsifal is that it has three influences: Christianity, Schopenhauer, Buddhism. And then even beyond that, it's an artwork which Wagner saw as a substitute for religion. He believed Christianity was on the way out, that Mass became a spectacle, artificial, and that it's up to Art to communicate Truth, if religion cannot do so anymore.
I truly believe Parsifal is the most significant and deeply-layered artwork in human existence. But of course I'm biased on that.

>>22018879
Jews enforce slave morality to themselves as well as others. They live with guilt and neurosis.

>>22018747
>bunch of gibberish when in reality we can see neetchean philosophy to it's logical conclusion leads to trannism and faggotry.
Transgenders are slave moralists.

>>22018747
>neetchean philosophy to it's logical conclusion leads to trannism
truth
faggotry is based though

>>22020220
as much as neetchcucks are

>>22018747
>neetchean philosophy to it's logical conclusion
I am tired of christlarpers blaming Nietzsche for sickly people practicing a secular version of holy stigmata—that is a parody of your belief system not an extension of his

>>22020185
slave norality didn't started with the jews, but with plato and socrates

>>22012868
>living in a way that you'd be happy to live again thousands and thousands
This lead me directly to Christ, it just took about a decade to sink in.

To think most of this board would need an opium hypocrite shabbos goy to do the thinking for them.

>>22020872
To think, anti-semites worship a dead...

>>22021143

>>22021208
Pictured: Creator and Redeemer of the Universal Brotherhood of All Men

>>22020840
>no-u
very pathetic attempt at deflecting Nietzschecuck. Neech would call modern faggotry life affirming like he called ancient one keep coping though.

>>22021268
who Nietzsche would bend over for. He belongs to the purest and strongest race after all Nietzschecuck

>>22022041
>life affirming
you have no idea what that means anyway since you hate being alive and would rather live as a fairy in the garden of sneeden with yahweh forever; you know who else hates being alive? What's that number you know by heart about how many commit suicide?
>>22022043
You kneel to one of them; why accuse others of doing so in an attempt to discredit them?

I just feel like the desire for absolutes is an autistic frivolity. The universe is probably fractal in every sense.

>>22022041
Have you ever read any Nietzsche book man? Be honest. You don't seem to know what the fuck you are talking about

>>22022226
>you hate being alive and would rather live
kek Nietzschecucks don't even understand christianity like their cuck mentor. Strawmaning is all you can do faggotloving troons.
>one of them
unlike neetchcuck who kneels to all of them.
>>22023038
I understand him better then he understood himself that brainrotten subhuman resentful little weakling.

>>22012810
>>22012815
>>22012854

Nietzsche loved Christ so much he felt contempt towards the many Christians who wore his banner by proxy and not by heart. I think that's what got him to snap, not that he actually hated Christ or (non-apostolic) teachings.

Pic related. It fits this description of him in essence even though this event never took place in truth.

>>22023364
>don't even understand christianity
neither do you obviously or you'd be washing my feet

>>22012810


If you actuall believe this you are, either: a pussilanimous incel, or a phalically imploded brute.

Christianity is radical & ultraistical; Nietzschean primalism is naturalistical & superbial.

Superbia, in itself, is hubristically schizopathic, and, therefore, conducive to evil; conversely, the superbal is cardinal only in relation to integral experience of novelty, and/or to hierarchical and/or qualitative ordinance.

>>22012810


If you actually believe that you are, either: a pusilanimous incel, or a phalically imploded brute.

Christianity is radical & ultraistical; Nietzschean primalism is naturalistical & superbial.

Superbia, in itself, is hubristically schizopathic, and, therefore, conducive to evil; conversely, the superbal is cardinal only in relation to integral experience of novelty, and/or to hierarchical and/or qualitative ordinance.

>>22023684
Fuck this just reads terribly, absolutely no congruence

Also your point is retarded

>>22023485
I would be strangling you like a subhuman heathen and faggot you are. If you were a good neetchcuck you would be dilating right now like this troon here >>22023768 who is probably you niggerlover.

>>22012810
>When did you realize Nietzsche was right about Christianity?

when i realized at a young age that religion was always holding back my true potential

>>22015522
>and this is bad, because?

it led to the rise of sjws and brown worshipping which eventually destroy contemporary western civilization, no more empire building for you bucko!

Nietzsche was criticizing world-denying protestantism

>>22015669
>cries over a horse
Lol.

>>22024705
And what have you done with said potential after donning your fedora?

>>22024984
rome wasn´t build in a single day

>>22024585
Remarkable display of Christ-like virtue you've got there.

>>22024979
Horse did nothing wrong. Animal abuse is subhuman

>>22024999
You are a filled with ressentiment. Do not hate the hawk, little hare.

>>22015522
It generates brain rot. Overly socialized societies lack the umph necessary to promote greater degrees of human excellence.

Its a trade off of a safer world with weaker men or an unsafe world with greater men. The true moral conundrum!

>>22025014
the things people will defend to attempt to score points against Nietzsche are really something

>>22025052
>Nothing is evil, only weak slave morality people think that those who dominate and abuse others are evil.
>NOOooo not the HECKIN' HORSARINO!!! This is EVIL!?! SUBHUMAN EVEN. No man would ever do such bad thingies!!
Well kek'd, my friend. Thanks for providing more evidence for how inconsistent Neech and his junior highschool minded fans are.
Maybe the horse should have been more of an aryan beast, instead of a sheep-like slave.

>>22025266
>why yes I did skim the wikipedia articles on Nietzsche, how could you tell?
slaves can gang up on the master; that's how Christianity happened and how one may find himself harnessed to the interests of some flabby urbanite

>>22025282
I read Genealogy of Morals.
>slaves can gang up on the master; that's how Christianity happened and how one may find himself harnessed to the interests of some flabby urbanite
Rhetoric and copium. "NOOO, IT'S NOT RESSENTIMENT WHEN I DO IT!! I'M THE ARYAN UBERMENSCH BEAST I CAN'T BE CAPABLE OF WRONGDOING, ONLY THE PEOPLE I DISAGREE WITH CAN," the Neech-Leech cries out when held to any standard of consistency.

>>22025294
you're retarded and should stick to your desert quadrilogy

>>22025319
Sorry there buck, you broken in already?
Guess I'll call it a night and get some sleep then.

>>22025323
You can't tell the difference between empathy and ressentiment. You're literally too autistic to bother with.

>>22025324
Calling the horse-floggers, "subhuman," is not empathetic in the least. It displays actual autistic narrow-mindedness, and plenty of ressentiment.

>>22025334
>nietzsche has to be wrong so I can keep believing in my religion, therefore I uh, um, believe we need more empathy for animal abusers since the animals deserve beatings
ok serial killer

>>22025351
It's not about animal abuse. It's about Neecher having this worldview of his where the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must. Except when it comes to horseracing.
That horse shouldn't have been harmed. But Neecher comes off as a little bitch after all his tough talk.

Not him and I don't give a shit about Christ, who is not the son of god and died on the cross to never rise again for the record.

>>22024995
thanks wojaks won't save you though.

>>22024725
if that was enough then it was deserved, as for empire building, it's the root cause of everything in modernity.

>>22025282
no that's not how christianity happened. it was only 10% of population when Constantine btfo his pagan enemies. May be pagancucks should have fought better.

>>22025351
>Nietzsche is such an epic darwinist bro, survival of the fittest ftw!! xD
>There's no such thing as evi- wait no No NO NOT THE HORSEEEEY
I'm not excusing animal abuse, nor have I made any arguments for any religion. All I've done is point out the hypocrisy and have been met with a laughably predicatble series of responses containing nothing but vain rhetoric, ad hominem, self-contradiction, and strawmanning.

>>22024988
it did crumble in one though

>>22018282
>Everything Wagner wrote and is recorded saying about Parsifal is Christian elucidated with the help of Schopenhauer and Buddhism
Sounds schizophrenic.

>>22012810
When I learned about the so called "primitive" pagan customs

>>22012817
>Even before I read him.
Same, it's a really amazing feeling when you independently come to the same conclusions as a great thinker in history, and then discover this fact. It's vindicating in the extreme.

>>22020864
>plato and socrates
Plato studied in Egypt and saw the Jews. He almost certainly got his ideas there.

>>22012858
Catholicism was BTFO'd by Prince Myshkin in The Idiot. He said it's even worse than atheism.

>>22025766
The world is full of pitfalls. Almost every idea is false. All religion for sure and 99% of philosophy.

>>22025615
there is no need for quotation marks
>>22025735
>great thinker
*Cuck think here let me fix that for you
>>22025762
retarded pagancuck headcanon

>>22015522
Humility and arrogance are two sides of the same thing, misjudging yourself.

>>22026099
>retarded pagancuck headcanon
It's Christian headcannon. There is a tradition going back to the earliest Church Fathers stating that Plato through some means got his ideas from Moses. Athanasius Kircher much later identified Moses with Hermes Trismegistus.

>>22024585
You‘re averaging around two internet neologisms per sentence. Go outside son.

I genuinely don't understand how anyone can be Protestant.
If you are going to be a Christian and really mean it, you basically have to be a Catholic.
Protestants will say that all they need is the Bible but it was the Catholic Church by who's authority the Bible was even assembled.
How do you get around that?

>>22026108
It's literally everywhere that Plato was a Jew in spirit. Greece is very close to Egypt and Israel, I have no doubt he travelled there.

>>22026147
>authority
From what? It's all imaginary. The bible itself has no authority either. It's Jewish magic that you choose to follow.

>>22026494
Egypt is the seminal influence here. Judaism itself is self-aware of its Egyptian connection. Plato is a more orthodox Egyptianized philosophy and theirs heterodox

>>22026147
If I buy a tool from Home Depot am I forever beholden to what Home Depot says or does?

>>22026736
I think it's a bad analogy. The Bible isn't just an object someone sold you, it's supposed to be the spiritual authority that you use to govern your Protestant faith, yet it was the Catholic Church's spiritual authority that assembled it in the first place.

>>22026494
>I have no doubt
more like you wish it to be true
>>22026129
>muh internet neologisms
>touch grass
go back to discord retard

>>22026502
better then pagancuck troonery or nietzsche cuckoldry to follow you do cockmuncher

>>22026108
I was directly responding to that faggot. He is not using christian revisions for sure.

>>22025505
>if that was enough then it was deserved

classic christ-cuck morality

>as for empire building, it's the root cause of everything in modernity.

never read pic related

>>22026731
There's no doubt he saw the Jews. They were known as haters of mankind and Plato himself hated mankind.

>>22027050
>>22027058
The Abrahamic religions are fundamentally misanthropist. Why do you think we have such a hatred of masculinity today? Jews hate themselves and man, and in every Christian is a Jew.

>>22012868
>Just live a mediocre, miserable life
If your definition of mediocre and miserable is "Don't kill people, don't steal shit, and try not to be a dick" then honestly you're the kind of person that shouldn't have free will because you don't understand the kind of responsibilities it carries. The reason people make fun of those like you and use Neetzche as the prime example in these mockeries is that you both have a paltry understanding of Christianity and yet act superior to these people and cultures you don't understand.
You use things like Christianity advising against wanting more as an example of people needing to live as fucking hobos devoid of wealth. The reason it's there is because envy is an exceptionally dangerous feeling that often leads to the destruction of the possessor's life and spirit. There's nothing wrong with building your life up, but if you're beset on all sides by covetous feelings then you're not building, you're just stewing until the day you snap.
Free will isn't a fucking toy, it comes with personal responsibilities that require you to not only understand your will, but how to keep it in check so the first errant desire to do something stupid doesn't end your life. You need to understand that other people besides you exist in this world and it's a general rule to avoid burning each other without a good reason lest the whole fucking world be consumed in the fires of a billion inconsiderate retards. Some people can't handle that and choose to live their life by stricter rules. This however, isn't the end-all be-all of Christianity and just because your understanding ends here, does not mean Chrisitianity does.

>>22027967
listen here streetshitter abrahamic religions are only masculine religions. Unlike pagancucks they have won the wars be it christians in europe or muslims in middle east. All you can do is cry about dead cuck religions with faggot gods and whore godesses. You worship women and cucks. there is no difference between pagan and woman, every pagan is a troon in denial.

>>22027686
classic pagancuck crying to victors. Your kind is the last man. Only think stormtroons and pagancucks are good at is licking christian feet like your subhuman cuck ancestors did. Your blood is filled with cuck genes.
>>22027847
faggot here is another cattle for abrahamics, your kind can't fight, because you are limp-wristed fags unable to do anything but bitch and moan like spiritual women you are.

>>22028110
>classic pagancuck crying to victors. Your kind is the last man. Only think stormtroons and pagancucks are good at is licking christian feet like your subhuman cuck ancestors did. Your blood is filled with cuck genes.

blah blah blah

>>22028097
>>22028110
Corruptions of true spirituality and self-hatred. That's all that came out of the Middle East.

Corruption of the Indo-European Dyeus Pater to denature the world.

>>22015474
It's a Freemasonic hand-gesture. It's called the Sign of the Master of the Second Veil. It's typically used by those of the York Rite.

>>22015669
start serial killing then buddeh

Never read niche. But i can asure you, he was right about everything.

>>22028125
no argument only womanish hysterics of typical pagancuck
>>22028133
only think that came out is btfoing your horsefucker dyus cucker you subhuman faggot.
stop fucking animals and calling it spirituality cuck spawn.

>>22028231
typical neetchian cuck morality

Can’t we all just get along guys

>>22027050
>outside is for discord users
The christfag denial of nature going hand-in-hand with zoomer porn/imageboard sickness of the mind is almost funny if it weren‘t so sad.

I’d also think I was getting baited if this hadn‘t gone on for days.

>>22028097
>christians in europe
Took over Rome by exploiting the underclass in times of crisis. Unsurprisingly like bolshevism and other jewish movements. As for the Saxon wars since the slaying of the heads of state doesn‘t correspond to any more general recorded battle I‘m holding to my theory that an armistice was broken.

>>22028110
>stormtroons
…what?

>>22029004
>>22029008
Seethe Jew.

>>22029431
seethe pagancuck. you will never be anything but christian feetlicker like your cuck ancestors.

>>22029413
>outside is for discord users
typical pagantranny arguing like a kike. Your fag pantheon is nothing but hardcore porn and cuckoldry.
>Took over Rome by exploiting the underclass in times of crisis.
typical wishful thinking of eternal pagancuck slave. They won by demolishing pagans in the streets and then conquering them be it Constantine or Charlemagne. Pagancucks could not even fight for their believes and watched like good cucks while christians were demolishing them in every possible field. That's why christians actaully went to moon while pagan's peak achievement is creating better toilet for their streetshitting cousins.
>I‘m holding to my theory that an armistice was broken.
you have been so mindbroken that now you resort to delusional alterante history you are spiritual tranny just like your gods were.
>what?
you are a newfag subhuman as well, back to discord pagancuck.

>>22029584
Goddamn, the zoomer is so poisoned that a pantheon which includes sex as one of the fundamental human drives and life-forces spins him out of gear into his secret desires. Sad to see.

Anyway Constantine was neither the beginning nor the end of christianization, more opportunistic than religious, and far from the best general in Greece/Rome’s tremendously pagan history and eons of progress. Meanwhile there is literally no evidence of Carl‘s supposedly decisive victory in battle. Stop making up words and go outside.

>>22029763
I didn't knew bestiality, adultery and pederasty were part of natural human drives subhuman. But for horsefucking streetshitter pagancuck it might as well be.
>Anyway Constantine was neither the beginning nor the end of christianizationAnyway Constantine was neither the beginning nor the end of christianization
no one said it was retard. But it was beginnig of pagans being irrelevant.
>far from the best general in Greece/Rome’s tremendously pagan history
much better then most of them who fought patheitic hill tribes most of their history. Even that it's pretty irrelevant becauze he was better then his pagan counterparts retard.
>Carl‘s supposedly decisive victory in battle
lmao destuction of their tree and genocide of saxons and their conversion is such a short time is pretty good evidence retard. Keep coping there is no difference between a troon and a pagan.

>>22029788
This jumping to a minority of extreme cases like a terminally online porn addict is really unhealthy, and you‘re never going to learn proper literary technique if you‘re so adamantly unwilling to perceive context thereof as generally-condemned practices (which also exist in jewish fables.)

You‘re also backpedaling severely on claims that christians were universally able to win wars because you‘ve lost the ground that it primarily took over as a jewish form of social agitation, while using the end results of probable betrayal as evidence for battles which we don‘t have.

You really should go outside.

>>22029818
>This jumping to a minority of extreme cases
lmao what do you mean extreme cases when every single god except some virgin woman is degenerate. This is new cope of horsefucking pagantroon.
>perceive context thereof as generally-condemned practices
kek that didn't stop gods from partaking in it.
You will never see Jesus doing any of those things and what YHWH did was holy wars and genocides, which makes them much more masculine then boyfucker troon gods you revere.
>You‘re also backpedaling severely
you don't know what that word means braindead pagancuck
>that christians were universally able to win wars
where did I say that pagankike? You have been deflecting by inventing alternate hypothesis to suit you butthurt. But no roman pagan won a battle against christian, because paganism is effeminate faggotry masquarading as religion.
We can check this now. Post any address you want and we can meet up. I will slit your throat and decorate your shrine with it.

>>22029573
>cuck ansestors
>31% of and the winners of the world are cucks
Oh no no no

>>22029855
>>31% of and the winners of the world are cucks
???
clarify for humans pagancuck

Here's my problem. When I see this bizarre new wave of Christian apologists in the generally dissident subcultures on the Internet, I see people defending Christianity on moral grounds, aesthetic grounds, and cultural grounds. I see it defended from an emotional point of view and as having a salvific power to deliver us from degeneracy, and Christianity is defended as being the only possible set of values that can lead to human happiness and flourishing.

The problem is that all of that is totally irrelevant. Europe without Christianity created Rome. Christianity without Europeans produces cannibal retards in Africa. All the historical evidence neochristians cite to defend their flavor of the year twitter philosophy is conveniently the great rise to power that Europeans experienced under the Christian bureaucracy. But obviously Christianity is not essential to producing culture or values since, for example, Iliad and Odyssey had come together as great works of art hundreds of years before even Plato (who Christians absolutely depend on for their philosophy - ironic that Christianity couldn't survive without pagan philosophy as a foundation).

Christianity worked great to promote globalist universalism because its institutions provided bureaucrats that the Roman empire needed in order to maintain itself across thousands of miles. But that's all that Christianity really was: bureaucracy. It couldn't spread among the lay people without aping their local traditions and couldn't attract the intelligentsia without hijacking their philosophy. The greatest thing Christianity brought to the table was bureaucracy. And it was very effective at worming its way into every institution in order to grow itself like a cancer.

But even all of that is just a distraction from the real, single question that all of Christianity's legitimacy rests on: did Jesus really resurrect after being executed? The answer, of course, is no. He didn't. That was a fairy tale made up by coping apocalypse cult. And I never see any of the neochristians copping Orthodox artwork for their twitter profile pics explain to me exactly why I should believe their fairy tales. The values they defend can be inserted into any metaphysical framework and Christianity is famously flexible at making itself compatible with anything (that's why there are 10,000,000 sects of it.) I actually had a family that loved me when I grew up so I don't need jewish fairy tales to give me self-esteem or help me cope with my place in the world.

Everything that unmarried childless anime avatar neochristians use to defend their fad "intellectual" system, which they need maintain their self-esteem just above the level of the average troon, rests on the Jenga block of a literal cult fairy tale. They built a pile of bullshit on top in order to obfuscate it, but once that little Jenga block is exposed to the tiniest scrutiny, the whole tower tumbles down.

>>22029862
Thats the first thing Ive said in this thread I don’t even know what you’re asking of me

>>22029925
kek all this to say that pagancucks are delusional revisionists. Peak of pagan Europe is Rome and it thrived while it had barely any competition. Christian Europe had much better empires like British one who actually contributed to the world and christian Europe actually dominated entire world. Only thing you have is Rome which was longer christian then it was not kek. You pagancucks have been doing what pope is doing there but to christian feet for last thousand years.

>>22029925
Romans believed in gods. All those words and your only point is “le hecking fairy tale” reddit is athataway

>>22029964
no one is reading your mind anon

Somewhere between reading Wagner and being catfished and sucked on the penis by a man.

>>22029972
>>22029983
Exactly as I predicted, the neochristian bandwagoners still haven't explained to me why I should believe their jewish cult cope story is literally true. Because they can't and they know they can't. That's why they avoid talking about it at all costs.

I'll make myself less ambiguous. Answer these questions: Was the supposed resurrection of Jesus a literal historical event? If so, why should I believe you? If not, why do you pretend to be a christian?

>>22029983
Oh nevermind I thought you were an atheist cretin, whats with the fighting between pagans and monotheists? I’ll take a nigga who believes in many gods over none any day

>>22029997
kek you predicted being btfo?
yes to your question as for why. You can decide yourself when you grow up. I don't give a shit what you do with your time, you can keep dilating in you free time.

>>22029997
>Was the supposed resurrection of Jesus a literal historical event?
Yes
>If so, why should I believe you?
You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to. I simply believe it
>If not, why do you pretend to be a christian?
You sound like you’ve come in contact with a lot of annoying christians spamming christ is king in comment sections and shit and acting unchristlike. I’d tell you a lot of these people just care about your well being but that isn’t always the case, a lot of them just want a sense of superiority over people so they larp shit, like mfs who larp as stoics

>>22030013
>You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to. I simply believe it
Okay great. You joined with the jew prophecy cult. The guy you worship as god gave you (as in literally you personally) a job: the Great Commission. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+28:16-20&version=NIV
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

It's literally your job to try and convert me. Nothing could possibly be more important than for you to spend every waking moment trying to convince me personally (and every person you meet or have met, ever) to join your cult.

If you won't even take the most basic commands of the dead jew you get on your knees to worship as the highest god seriously, why should I?

>>22030036
>It's literally your job to try and convert me.
nice headcanon atheistcuck

>>22030042
Matthew, one of the four foundational synoptic gospels, now confirmed as atheist headcanon! You heard it on /lit/ first, folks.

>>22030044
I didn't know you were talking to apostles disingenuous atheistcuck

>>22030036
>why the fuck do religious people push their shit on us
>they stop doing it, love thy neighbour and all that
>NO YOU NEED TO PUSH YOUR SHIT ON TO ME
what do you want from me man? I can ask you to change but if you won’t and you’ll just stay calling christian people faggots or cucks or whatever we can just change the subject of conversation or ill just leave. Besides theres been enough converting, 31% of the population is a bit too many christians for even me to handle

>>22030058
he is disingenuous hysteric faggot who wants to argue for arguing sake, typical for plebbit tourist.

>>22030050
Newest neochristian slogan: "Can't someone else do it?" It's never been easier to be a faithful christian on anonymous message boards!

>>22030061
kek nice goalpost move atheistcuck. After being btfo you resort to deflections. Your wish to be christian is appreciated though.

>>22030058
Why should I change? You don't even want to fulfill one of Jesus' most basic assignments. You really are giving the most pitiful pitch imaginable. I find it really hard to believe you really think Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected. Have you ever really thought about the full implications of that? It seems like you haven't. Why do you claim to believe?

>>22030079
but his assaignments were to apostles who accomplished it. You are manipulating and quotes to suit you narrative like a good atheistcuck. I already btfo you but you still repeat this disingenuous point.

>>22030086
I never doubted your capacity to shirk responsibility. You're God's strongest warrior!

>>22030096
but you still have not given a single evidence that we have to personally evangelize you. You understand your need to be a christian but no thanks I have other things to do then tard wrangle plebbitors

>>22030036
He was speaking to his disciples in that verse, it's not a universal command

>>22030101
>no thanks I have other things to do then tard wrangle plebbitors
Like finishing your ESL homework?

>>22030079
>Why should I change?
Why do you want to change so bad? You’re practically begging me for it.
>Have you ever really thought about the full implications of that?
Yes
>Why do you claim to believe?
Because I do We both don’t know what happened, my belief is less likely but I believe it regardless. It is better for the world for it to be true.

>>22030105
like btfoing subhuman atheistcucks on imageboards

>>22030105
What did he say there that was ESL?

>>22030105
like fucking your mom on daily basis

>>22030106
>Why do you want to change so bad? You’re practically begging me for it.
Okay, okay, I get it. You believe in a religion that promises eternal suffering for billions of people for believing in the wrong historical narratives, but you aren't particularly interested any farther in it than whatever makes you personally feel a little better and help you get through the day. Not what I would call a ringing endorsement but alright. If you don't want to continue the conversation, just stop replying. But don't act surprised when you wade into a thread specifically about neochristians battling nonchristians and someone challenges you. Shouldn't you be in church anyway? It's Sunday.

>It is better for the world for it to be true.
How am I supposed to read this and not come away thinking Christianity is primarily cope and wish fulfillment? By the way, this line of thinking ("it's good if people believe a lie if it makes them better people") is actually an idea promoted in Beyond Good and Evil.

4. The falseness of an opinion is not for us any objection to it: it is here, perhaps, that our new language sounds most strangely. The question is, how far an opinion is life-furthering, life-preserving, species-preserving, perhaps species-rearing, and we are fundamentally inclined to maintain that the falsest opinions (to which the synthetic judgments a priori belong), are the most indispensable to us, that without a recognition of logical fictions, without a comparison of reality with the purely IMAGINED world of the absolute and immutable, without a constant counterfeiting of the world by means of numbers, man could not live—that the renunciation of false opinions would be a renunciation of life, a negation of life. TO RECOGNISE UNTRUTH AS A CONDITION OF LIFE; that is certainly to impugn the traditional ideas of value in a dangerous manner, and a philosophy which ventures to do so, has thereby alone placed itself beyond good and evil.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/4363/4363-h/4363-h.htm#link2HCH0001

You are closer to the OP than you think.

>>22030115
>single evidence

>>22030159
>Shouldn't you be in church anyway? It's Sunday.
I live in a church literally and have never been taught of hell like how it was beaten into you in a catholic school, perhaps for being gay or left handed.
>How am I supposed to read this and not come away thinking Christianity is primarily cope and wish fulfillment?
You already believe that, you come away from it with no new thoughts because you’ve already made your mind up. Ive questioned my faith, you have never questioned your lack of faith.
>
Tldr

>>22030181
>I live in a church literally and have never been taught of hell
LOL you really can call anything Christianity and nobody can prove otherwise. I am a little disappointed that you entered an explicit Nietzsche thread and one paragraph of Nietzsche was too much for you. Now I assume my citing of Matthew was your first time reading that verse as well, given your apparent level of literacy.

>>22030211
No, hell is real, but its concept puts no fear into me. Neither heaven no hope. If I knew both didn’t exist for certain I would still believe the world was created by a higher being. If I wanted to read Nietzsche I would read him, not an angry little man posting his paragraphs on a Peruvian sculpting website. And your dishonest portrayal of that bible verse really swayed me to your side. The truth is, the reason atheists attack christianity more so than any other religion is because deep down, they feel it possible that it might be true. Its why they resort to blatantly stupid shit like claiming jesus never existed historically. Stick with shit like evolution if you want to convert people, atheist analysis of bible verses is inherently flawed in the same way a creationists/evangelicals analysis of it is inherently flawed. They’ve already made up their mind. Bullshit aside I have an idea that regardless of whether or not god exists, the dying human mind will believe him to exist for the some reason people of NDE or peoples brains react when they’re on DMT. Anyway, Science bless you, this conversation is tired, its always two niggas debating some shit they couldn’t possibly know or comprehene.

>>22030280
I've never claimed to be an atheist, by the way, because I'm not.

>If I knew both didn’t exist for certain I would still believe the world was created by a higher being.
So would I, that much is really obvious from basic observations of nature. Atheism is a psychospiritual deficiency. Anybody with a soul can just feel the magnificent power, design, and even chaos in all creation. We're in agreement there.

>The truth is, the reason atheists attack christianity more so than any other religion is because deep down, they feel it possible that it might be true.
That's not true. They focus on Christianity because muslims will literally kill them and jews will deplatform them once they start being critical of judaism in its real forms as a religion, race, and historical narrative. Christians just don't kill people or force them out of business for criticizing them any more.

>Its why they resort to blatantly stupid shit like claiming jesus never existed historically
I've never claimed this. Someone in this thread may have, but not me. I don't see any reason to believe Jesus wasn't a real person, and frankly I've always been fond of the guy from his depictions in the synoptic gospels. Who could hate a guy like that? I don't believe his teachings or his followers, but I can respect his will.

>Stick with shit like evolution if you want to convert people
Evolution is an unfalsifiable narrative so I don't put much stock in it. I'm not here to convert anyone to retarded modern science lol.

You claimed to be a christian but every defense you've made of christianity just seems to discredit it further. Do what you want to do, but expect push back if you're going to air out your idle opinions on a platform for argumentative discussion.

Enjoy your Sunday!

>>22030338
>That's not true. They focus on Christianity because muslims will literally kill them and jews will deplatform them once they start being critical of judaism
I agree with you in a public speaking context but on 4chan other than da joos posting you rarely see people shit on islam or any other religion as much as they do christianity, because islam is a much clearer falsity.
>I've never claimed this. Someone in this thread may have, but not me.
You didn’t say that but Ive seen countless people that have. You seem like a decently reasonable guy but all your other posts were ripe with anger so you can’t fault me for thinking you’re an atheist. Though with how some catholic niggas operate I can understand that anger.
>Evolution is an unfalsifiable narrative
There is clearly truth in it but it is retarded in some places.
>You claimed to be a christian but every defense you've made of christianity just seems to discredit it further.
Eh I can just laugh about any political discussion, I only get heated in debates about movies/books/games because of autism. Ill just leave it at this, maybe im in the minority so I don’t understand this thinking but aspects of religion people convert for to me are a non element. Jesus could have just as well lied about heaven and hell to improve the world and it would make no difference to me because im not a christian for that. Its worked for my ancestors and its worked for me, I'm surrounded by fantastic friends and family and LIVE in a church. For me to reject religion from that would be stupid and retarded of me. Like telling a monk who dreamed he was a butterfly and achieved some clarity through meditation that buddhism is scientifically inaccurate. The man feels its real, so he believes it more than any word could convince him.

>>22030280
>the reason atheists attack christianity more so than any other religion
Is because they are, or were, surrounded by Christians

>>22029836
The broad majority of marital practices across the Greco-Roman pantheon are fairly conventional. I can recall Zeus pretextually appearing as a White bull in a ruse toward Europa with some general infidelity (metaphor for empire-building) and Aphrodite cheating on Hephaestus with Ares (a poignant metaphor for the futility of domestic labor as contrasted with war) but not a whole lot else. Meanwhile the notion that christ didn‘t engage in behavior you condemn reeks more to the notion that christ didn‘t engage in anything at all. It‘s a stagnant, impotent example that only gained legs through underhanded subversion.

Conversely, all the holy wars and genocide touted in the OT has been effectively routed on historicity, where the migratory jewish patterns basically point to them doing the same infiltration and diaspora to destruction failures they do today. This is a marked contrast to the Trojan War, stories from Herodotus, and the historically-attested Greco-Roman empires which have an actual, verified history of conquest and greatness to point toward including countless victories over abrahamism before it engaged in subversion tactics.

You really should go outside, and maybe read a book while you‘re there to learn things which didn‘t come from the rumor mill of jewish wishful thinking. Then maybe see if there‘s a Planet Fitness around (you‘ll get to a more serious gym in time—this is just a starter) so you’ll feel good enough about yourself to not fly into an impotent fury of reductive neologisms after being proven wrong on /lit/.

>>22029836
>>22030464

>>22012810
>this is all it takes to get 230 replies
>my thread on McLuhan got 1
>thread on Kipling got 4

>>22030488
I’d go to your thread if I knew who either of those lil niggas were

>>22030464
>metaphor
first sign of the coping pagancuck
you also miss several points like Zeus fucking a twink or him raping several woman, or literal hermphrodite troon being a god and many other examples. you also forgot that romans were worshipping literal faggot prostitute of the emperor.
Your are getting destroyed liek a subhuman gods you worship.
It's also funny how lack of bestiality and faggotry means stagnant ideology and at the same time think everything you don't like is an aphorism.
I also love how you gradually skin some of my points that you can't counter and the fact that you didn't do what I asked also proves how chickenshit modern pagancucks are.

>>22030638
>how chickenshit modern pagancucks are.
Nothing compared to the pope begging Hungary to become Muslim

>>22030657
I don't even know what you are talking about but at least my God is not a troon pagancuck

>>22030659
He's his own father and never actually copulated as the father with his mother so that must involve some shenanigans

>>22030670
yes if you have a mind rotten from pagancuckery it can find shenanigans in the nature, just looke at their gods, literal californians.

>>22030435
I still think you should read Beyond Good and Evil. Your thinking is not really contrary to Nietzsche's re: the utility of a belief vs its truth or falsity. You may be surprised.

>>22030638
Finish your ESL homework, Paco. You really need to brush up. This is getting to be really embarrassing for you.

>>22030929
>paco
not even on the same continent muttmerican.
you should finish your goyslop before you try to argue with your betters you subhuman cuck.

>>22030935
>not even on the same continent muttmerican.
Promise to keep it that way?

>>22030936
I will promise you total muttmerican death

>>22030941
Okay, that cracked me up. You're a funny dude. Keep it up.

>>22029368
would you?

>>22030488
That's how it be in an atheist/religion thread. If you want the experience repeated a thousand-fold, head on over to /his/ and re-live the relentless autism.

>>22031079
>haplogroup chimpout #21299391
>my ancestor 3000 years ago cucked yours!!!
>NO U
yeah I'm good

>>22030676
You are the one obsessed with deviant sexuality and the reason is obvious

>>22031203
I am not the one writing down pagancuck mythology nor the one who came up with it. Keep coping with your fag gods.

>>22031208
nothing is more LGBT than being your own father

>>22031238
no that is pretty chad actually. there is no connection with LGBT it does not even makes sense. Fucking man in the ass on the other hand is pretty much that. Your pathetic deflections are getting very embarrassing troon friend.

>>22031252
>immaculate conception/virgin birth
>being your own father
>having a stepfather who doesn't touch your mother
there's something queer here sweatie

>>22031311
I don't see it pagancuck. Are you gonna explain or are you going to act like a drooling faggot?
I can't even find a queerness here. Show me your mental gymnastics here, I am waiting tranny.

>>22028137
Proof he was a mason and didn't just have his hand in his pocket?

>>22031327
he was a chronic masturbator, he could not keep his hands from his pockets

>>22031316
You must be as gullible as Yosef

>>22031429
you still have not explained how it correlates with LGBT. If you say that Joseph was cucked then that has nothing to do with faggotry and that would make God a chad who cucks others.
Trust me you don't want to talk about LGBT child conceptions, Zeus was pregnant twice pagancuck lmao.

>>22031435
He won't sleep with his wife. And she won't sleep with him. His "son" says he is his own father. They're no Norman Rockwell ad that's for sure. And I'm not a "pagan;" all gods are gay and you are gay for worshiping them

>>22030918
Eh nietzche probably think its false. I think its true, it just annoys me when I see people larp about it or get crazy obsessed about it. Religion like any philosophy should improve your life, if you spend every minute of every waking day going to church and praying but not DOING anything, its pointless. Its why I think muslims go overboard with the prayer shit

>>22031457
kek atheistcuck chimed in. You still have not explaine lgbt association faggot. Did you lose a thought and forgot an argument you were making or did you figure out how retarded your post was and now desperately try to deflect on Joseph who is not even worshipped and is barely mentioned in the bible?

>>22031470
Your argument was that the pagan gods are degenerates but your own "holy family" is a shitshow

>>22031490
My argument was that pagan gods are into faggotry, bestiality and troonery. You wanted to make some snide remark about lgbt conception which didn't work out how you wanted and got btfo.

>>22031503
Having two gay dads is gay

>>22031520
kek but Joseph is not a father? He is more like a step-father. Your arguments are getting more and more pathetic anon.
are you a shitskin? streetshitter? be honest

>>22031530
Hes not the stepfather hes the dad who stepped up

>>22031530
Joseph won't touch his wife. Jesus is his own father and Mary was magically impregnated. It's very gay. And racism is incompatible with Christianity. Christianity will be almost exclusively African or Mestizo once all Europeans over 60 have died.

>>22031539
Ayden is his king too :)

>>22031539
but he is his own dad, he already step up
> It's very gay.
you still have not explained how little atheitroon.
> And racism is incompatible with Christianity.
how? were is the verse condemning racism?
And atheism will be exclusively tranny and fag ideology once every european is dead.

>>22031550
meant for atheistcuck here >>22031543

>>22031550
>were is the verse condemning racism
Neither Jew nor Gentile my good incel, who doesn't understand how gay it is to swear off women because some eceleb father figure told him it's peak masculinity to be performatively homosocial

>>22031561
> And racism is incompatible with Christianity.
how is that condemning racism? atheistcuck you are getting btfo, I know you want forget this embarrassment in a while kek. You still have not answered, what's your skin color?

>>22031571
Your religion is overwhelmingly black and brown. Being a gay neopagan is the whitest thing you can do.

>>22031574
deflect one point kek.
but what is your skin color, we know you want to be white and also you are a faggot (hence butthurt)

>>22031571
>I know you want forget this embarrassment in a while
And which shithole country has grammar like this?

>>22031582
country that still has white people in it unlike yours.

>>22031586
Yeah but you aren't one of them you just walk there from Bolivia with your thirty seven cousins

>>22031591
>from Bolivia
what a weird projection. I am from Europe.
Are you aregensimian? Why would you bring up bolivia out of no where?

>>22029004
>no argument only womanish hysterics of typical pagancuck

here's your argument bro!

>>22031897
thanks for proving my point why pagancuckery lost?

>>22031925
"pagancuckery" didn´t invent negro worshiping

>>22031944
it did, when they made nigger part of their mythos

>>22031950
your post is so retarded that it made me laugh

>>22031958
not as retarded as that contradictory statement which also starts with wrong assumption.
May be stop using a book written by weakling fag and use your own arguments sometimes.

>>22031970

>>22031980
First time was sufficient bot

>>22028137