/lit/ - Literature

>>21986527
also why do you people write so many fucking crime novels

Obligatory mention of the usual greats: Lagerlöf, Lagerkvist, Lindgren, and of course picrel.

>>21986527
Tove Jansson was FINNISH!

>>21986704
she wrote in swedish

>>21986697
based hjalmar poster

>>21986697
Doktor Glas might be the greatest novel of the 20th century. It describes both female and male narcissism to its core. The death of god, oedipus complex. It makes one jungian.

>>21986527

Quran

>>21986697
Very good post, anon. Lagerkvist is not talked about enough.

>>21986527
>I feel like swedish literature gets overshadowed by Norwegian and Danish.
This is only true on /lit/. Norway and Denmark have one writer each that gets posted on this board, ie Hamsun and Kierkegaard. Strindberg would be beloved by this board if it actually read.

>>21987132
where to start with strindberg?

>>21987208
i really like the bergman adaptations of some of the plays you can find them on youtube--Ett drömspel has great visuals

>>21987132
favorite lagerkvist?

>>21986527
Per Anders Fogelström and his city series is the peak of Swedish literature. The wonderful adventures of Nils reaches the highest peak of comfiness, since I'm assuming you're Swedish you should read it for its cultural importance alone. For a modern Swedish author, Tranströmer is the best of course. Though Gustaf Fröding is still a much better poet.

>>21986847
inte en chans brorsan

>>21988251
>Per Anders Fogelström and his city series is the peak of Swedish literature
Aw hell yeah, my nig nog.

>>21989195
Så vilken skulle du säga det är då?

>>21986527
Nikanor Teratologen, Sven Deblanc, Stig Larsson, Strindberg, Pär Lagerkvist, Vilhelm Ekelund, Stagnelius, Sara Lidman, Lars Norén, Stig Dagerman and Mirja Unge are all good Swedish authors. Phoneposting right now but if anyone got any questions I'd gladly answer them when I get home from work.

>>21986527
The Long Ships

>>21987132
Josef Julius Wecksell was better playwright than Strindberg. Prove me wrong. Protip: You can't, because none of you have read Wecksell.

how hard is it to learn swedish
my grandma was swedish so it's probably the next one on my list to learn after french
I assume it's not too hard for an anglo. id it harder than danish and norwegian? I've heard that norwegian is the easiest language for an anglo to learn

>>21990081
It's supposed to be pretty easy for English speakers to learn, Norwegian is basically the same language just a bit uglier. Danish is substantially harder,
>Yet surprisingly, Danish children have trouble learning their mother tongue. Compared to Norwegian children, who are learning a very similar language, Danish kids on average know 30% fewer words at 15 months and take nearly two years longer to learn the past tense.
Their own kids can't even learn their weird language

>>21989861
Mina Drömmars stad utan tvekan.

>>21987132
Norway also has Ibsen and undset. Denmark is completely carried by Kierkegaard.

Ayo don't sleep on my main man Fritiof Nilsson Piraten

>>21986527
Most popular Duolingo language in sweden is literally swedish. If I were you I would choose to be interested in a culture that will still exist in 40 years.

>>21990268
>Here lie the remains of a man who had a habit of putting everything off until tomorrow. He bettered himself at the last and finally died on <whatever date it was>
Certainly has the best gravestone I've ever seen.

>>21987132
Ibsens legacy mogs Strindberg in the normiesphere

>>21990130
Av vilka anledningar?

>>21990130
I salen på Alastalo moggar båda.

>>21990130
Falupillra mig på Fogelström

>>21986527
Strindberg is wonderful.

>>21987208
The Red Room is my favorite novel of his, and showcases many of his greatest qualities. I would advise you start there. His plays are fine as well, some of them rather avant-garde even today, but I prefer him as a novelist. His work "Inferno" is more experimental, and should be saved for later - it is a first-person account of his Swedenborgian psychotic break and is extremely fascinating, but stylistically challenging, and is best read on the background of his more sane artistic production.

>>21987132
NYRB has started translating a few danish writers that very much deserve it, with Havoc by Tom Kristensen and Lucky-Per by Pontoppidan. But I agree about this board and Strindberg, they would really love it. He has an ascerbic wit and a Schopenhauerian/Nietzschean outlook that would really tickle a lot of fancies here. Plus, he hates women so much it's unreal. That lovable old curmudgeon.

>>21990137
Not really, no. Apart from Kristensen and Pontoppidan, someone like Karen Blixen is also a marvellous novelist and story-teller and universally acclaimed. And honestly, H.C. Andersen as well, who is probably more universally beloved and known than even Kierkegaard, if not by his own work, then by one of the many rip-offs that Disney has made of him. Apart from that, there are several world-class danish authors that aren't really translated - Villy Sørensen, Herman Bang and Johannes V. Jensen and Martin Andersen Nexø, to name just a few. Many of these were lauded by their more well-known contemporaries as well,

>>21990587
Of course, but no one should care about the normiesphere.

Much apropos the normiesphere, my absolute favorite anecdote concerning Ibsen is when he sold the production rights of A Doll's House to the germans, who found it to be a too shocking impropriety for Nora to leave in the end, so they rewrote it so it ends with her looking at her children, and then deciding to shut up and be a good servile wife and stay instead. This rewriting to suit the tastes of bourgeois german normies was much to Ibsen's seething chagrin, but he needed the money, so he became a sell-out and allowed it.

>>21990647
Good to hear the Danes are getting some attention with NYRB, anon. Good take on Strindberg too; they really would love him if they gave him a shot. Glad to see someone else appreciate Scandinavian literature as a whole rather than participate in the monkey v. monkey nonsense that tends to break out in these threads.

Svarta segel by Strindberg is essential. Dabbing on the "cultural elite" of Sweden so hard that they never made an recovery. Äldreomsorgen i övre kågedalen by Nikanor Teratologen is also essential but is a lot better in original Swedish than translated.

>>21990662
>Of course, but no one should care about the normiesphere.
I only mentioned it since you said its the case only on /lit/. Strindberg is probably the worst example you could chose in that regard when Ibsen exists.

>This rewriting to suit the tastes of bourgeois german normies was much to Ibsen's seething chagrin, but he needed the money, so he became a sell-out and allowed it.
Only partly true, while he did seethe intensely at that version ever being performed (it was performed les than ten times and only one single time after ww2) he made the shortest possible rewrite to stop the germans from altering his play completely, as they had the legal right to do since nordic copyright did not protect the integrity of their plays in Germany. His play was restored in Berlin after protests from the public later in the same year of the alterative performances.
But lets just say you didnt know that even after knowing about it at all, svartsjuka bror

>>21991062
Anon means Svarta Fanor.

>>21990619
>>21990642
Skulle behöva skriva en uppsats för att förklara hur bra denna bok är. Gör dig själv en tjänst: läs boken själv.

>>21989889
>The Long Ships (Röde Orm) was voted the third most important Swedish book of the 20th century, after Vilhelm Moberg's Emigrant suite, and Harry Martinson's Aniara. In another vote it was placed 7th.

any good introduction to swedenborg or good secondary sources on his influence on american literature

>>21993643
Yeah, I will never not shill this book. Was such a fun read.

>>21990137
Ibsen wrote his prose plays in Danish. Andersen is Danish, too.

>>21986531
Probably because living here is sort of the perfect setting for a crime novel

>>21990647
>Lucky-Per by Pontoppidan.
thats already in everyman's library. in print.

>>21986527
Redpill me on this one. There's lots of him in Spanish.

>>21994615
Danish was the only written language at that time, the danish of that time is about as close to current norwegian as it is to current danish.
The characters speak in "norway danish" and most of them are based in and on norway.
He can be contrasted with Holberg, from the century before Ibsen, he was norwegian but wrote plays in "danish-danish" mostly based in and on denmark and danes.

>>21994663
>Inferno
An actual schizo pretending to be schizo for publicity.

>>21986527
I love Moomin.

>>21993643
>Harry Martinson
why is a Swede named Harry?? wtf

>>21996003
the comics or the novels?

>>21996012
Comics, novels, and the 90s anime.

>>21996003
yeah unreal how comfy it is.

>>21996010
working class scandis often have anglo names, middle and upper class use traditional names

>>21996880
I see. Well, I read his dad died when he was a boy and then his mom abandoned him. He still won the Nobel after writing a sci-fi epic poem. He has my respect.

>>21986527
I feel Dan Andersson is underrated.
Det kallas vidskepelse has that magical-realism-before-magical-relism like Lagerlöf's Gösta Berlings Saga too even earlier.

>>21997022
>Det kallas vidskepelse
Damn, that book was some saturday reading... Great rec!
The satanic shamanism, the outsider-ism, the spoken dialect, and master & apprentice like relationship and sense of unrealness actually gives me slight Äldreomsorgen i Övre Kågedalen vibes. Kind of an anti- Gösta Berling Saga. Will definitely read again sometime.

Bump

oops

>>21986697
>>21986847
>see these posts
>order it from library
>84 people in the queue in front of me
>they bought 20 copies
>estimated to be ready for me in four months
Is this hyper-normie shit or what? Haven't tried this since I tried to loan a new Knausgaard book right around publication date.

>>22001430
Doktor Glas is well known (for a work of literary fiction from 100 years ago), but it's not normie shit at all. It's about an autistic 33 year old virgin doctor who dislikes his job and plots to murder the priest husband of his oneitis.

>>21997022
>>21998666
Now I'm intrigued. I'll have to read that too, I think.

>>21993643
Possibly the best adventure novel I have ever read. (at least the first part)

>>22001430
Just get an epub

Is there any anon who has read Strändernas Svall (Return to Ithaca) by Eyvind Johnsson? I thought about reading it after I finished the Iliad & the Odyssey, but I ultimately didn't pick it up. Still thinking about reading it though.

>>22001804
I love it, anon. It's a fantastic book, and it's actually in print again (it wasn't back when I read it), so you can pick up a fresh new non-yellowed copy.

>>22001822
Thanks, I didn't know it was back in print. I will check it out.

Any other books that you are fond of?

>>21986527
I liked Aniara

>>22001838
Eyvind Johnson's Hans Nådes Tid (The Days of His Grace) is another great book of his, and a very fine example of historical fiction. Otherwise, most of my Swedish favorites have been mentioned already. I'm a bit under-read in the literature of our native language and I'm trying to improve.

>it's a swedes talking to each other in english thread
>>21990647
>Plus, he hates women so much it's unreal.
You could probably make him a meme author of the month by forcing the Miss Julie preface.

>>21997022
Speaking of poets who are underrated as novelists... Supposedly Stig Dagerman's "De dömdas ö" (Island of the Doomed) is some fabulous stuff.

Please recommend me surreal books.

>>22002617
As been mentioned, both "Det kallas vidskepelse" and "Äldreomsorgen i Övre Kågedalen" (eng: Assissted Living) are quite surreal.

>>22003931
Thank you, pal.

>>21989878
boring picks - try some Sara Stridsberg, Willy Kyrklund, Gunnar Ekelöf instead

>>22003948
Same anon, but I could've suggested Strändernas Svall by Johnson and Aniara by Harry Martinson too. People like to pretend they didn't deserve the nobel but they absolutely did. Especially compared to that hack Tranströmer

>>21990647
>The Red Room is my favorite novel of his, and showcases many of his greatest qualities. I would advise you start there. His plays are fine as well, some of them rather avant-garde even today, but I prefer him as a novelist. His work "Inferno" is more experimental, and should be saved for later - it is a first-person account of his Swedenborgian psychotic break and is extremely fascinating, but stylistically challenging, and is best read on the background of his more sane artistic production.
This is completely wrong. The Red Room is shit and a genuinely boring book whereas Inferno is absolutely wonderful.
OP, don't read Strindberg's novels, see his plays performed live.

Någon som har tips på bra nutida svensk lit? Har läst några böcker som vänner tipsar om men har aldrig riktigt älskat något av det jag läst

Utöver det vill jag säga att Tranströmer är kung

>>22002595
I know Lagerkvist has been mentioned in the thread but this was really something special in terms of poetry

>>22004560
>var lagerkvist
>ge ut ångest
>ge ut en massa tråkiga diktsamlingar där du rimmar ord på sig själva
>ge ut aftonland
vmhmd (vad menade han med detta)

I just want to bömp once

>>21986527
Read Hjalmar Bergman, the Swedish Balzac.

>>22007793
I recently found a bunch of books of his serving as decorative bookshelving at work. Got me intrigued. Also saw that there's a shit ton of radio plays of his on SR. Anything work in particular you would recommend?

Olavi Rudbeckii. Atlantica Sive Manheim. Vera Japheti posterorum sedes ac patria, ex qua non tantum. Monarchæ & Reges ad totum fere orbemm reliquum regendum ac domandum, Stirpesque suas in eo condendas, sed etiam Scythæ, Barbari, Asæ, Gigantes, Gothi, Phryges, Trojani, Amazones, Thraces, Libyes, Mauri, Tusci, Galli, Cimbri, Cimmerii, Saxones, Gerani, Svevi, Longobardi, Vandali, Heruli, Gepidæ, Teutones, Angli, Pictones, Darii, Sicambri, aliique virtute clari & celebres populi olim exierunt. Upsalæ 1698. 4°. 4 toms.

There were 5 original volumes, but a fire destroyed the city of Uppsala and to Rudbeck’s laboratory and original relics and the university library, where the fifth volume burned up. The others were saved.

A scholar would make a name for himself if he were to translate this work into English. Essentially, it is about a 3,000-page treatise in four volumes, where he attempted to prove that Sweden was Atlantis, the cradle of civilization, and that Swedish was the original language of Adam from which Latin and Hebrew had arisen.

Try this link to Olaus Rudbecks Atlantica Svenska Originaltexten Volume 1 (the Swedish text)

https://archive.org/details/atlanticaiolausrudbeck/page/n31/mode/2up

It would take a long time, but what else would you rather do? Two Swedish translated pages every day—discipline yourself to it—and you would be finished in 5 years. This is how scholarship is built, stone by slow stone. Then, as translator, you would have your own story to tell.

Isn’t this what /lit/ is all about?

>>22008791
Chefen fru Ingeborg

>>21990647
Wasn't strindberg in correspondence with nietzsche?

Sven Hedin's travelogues, Verner von Heidenstam's poetry and Karin Boye are worth mentioning.
Nikanor i've always pegged as just shock-schlock that plays off the same preconceptions as shit like Deliverance does.

>>21986527
I feel like the joy of reading Jansson is her unconventional word choices and inventive turns of phrase. Don't know how well that translates into English.
>>21987208
I've read a few of Strindberg's novels, but only The People of Hemsö really grabbed me. Probably because I grew up with that environment through my father and grandfather (or what's left of it anyways). Fucking love it to bits.

Bellman, Tegnér, Runeberg, Wallin, Snoilsky, Stagnelius, Lenngren, Kellgren.
Most iconic of whom are probably the first two. Even children tend to know a bit of Bellman even if it's mostly his dirty jokes.

>>22003987
The Red Room is the ultimate examination of the relationship between artistry, capital and press. Funny, deep, brilliant.

Why hasn't more of Johannes Jensen been translated? I want to read The Gothic Renaissance.

>>22010678
They were and Strindberg really idolized nietzsche.
https://archive.org/stream/jstor-25120062/25120062_djvu.txt