/lit/ - Literature

>>21986433
Phil Greaves’ Twitter

>>21986433
Americans love misusing foreign alphabets. They do the same to the greek letters for their fraternity names.

>>21986433
Read this and come away with the conclusion that being a white cishet human who owns a house means you’re an environmental disaster

>>21986433
Why do they use the cyrillic alphabet "д" as the "a" in the English word of 'Socialism'?

It bothers me because "д" is not even similar sounding to the alphabet "a".

Who made this poster?

>>21986465
Socidlism

>>21986465
>Who made this poster?
No idea. But it makes you autists seethe which is quite funny

nice try, pig.
socialism is learned by struggling to liberate workers

>>21986465
because it's faux-cyrillic Russian look. It looks a bit like A in form, so they use it; same with 'ya' for R, 'sh' for W, 'i' for N, etc.

>>21986495
>liberate workers
What about when le ebil moustache man liberates his workers? Is that Socialism?

>>21986481
We may be funny, but the one who made the poster is funnier see >>21986473 for the reason

Maybe some socialists should actually start reading a book instead of making cringe posters

>>21986500
I know, but I just can't stand it. It's so wrong and weird and just show that they didn't care what the Russians they idolize try to say

>>21986433
With that incorrect use of alphabet for stylization on the poster, they're spreading illiteracy before spreading "wealth"

The only socialist worth to read is Marx.

>>21986501
Punished Charlie Chaplin went to war and expansionism right after coming into power and got btfo by the Allies, so we’ll never know if he was ever going to liberate the workers or just treat everything from Amsterdam to Kyiv like Belgium treated the Congo

>>21986523
>so we’ll never know if he was ever going to liberate the workers or just treat everything from Amsterdam to Kyiv like Belgium treated the Congo
He treat them pretty well considering it was wartime..
National Socialism in peacetime is literally heaven on earth, which they knew perfectly well

>>21986433
Kierkegaards Sickness upon Death
Modern Socialism is pure inauthenticity

>>21986433
Proposed Roads to Freedom: Socialism, Anarchism and Syndicalism - Bertrand Russell

>>21986502
This was definitely made by a capitalist who dislikes bernie

The Road to Serfdom by Hayek

Marxengelslenintrotsky ykstortninelslegnexraM

>>21986433
Gray Mirror

>>21986433
https://paulcockshott.wordpress.com/2020/05/01/two-reading-lists/

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>>21986433
One Piece.

>>21986481
>>21986845
lmao. amerimutt leftoid

>>21986433
Only Marx and Engels to debunk them.

All others after his Death does not count

>>21987862
not american not a leftist

>>21986433
Das Kapital forever and always

>>21986433
Das Kapital remains as pertinent as ever. Marx lays out clearly how capitalism works and why it will eventually collapse. He says that capitalism is inherently based on exploiting workers who produce more value than they get paid. The owners of the means of production (factories, land, etc.) get to keep the extra surplus value (profit) and use it to consolidate wealth. This leads to a cycle of money-commodity-money (M-C-M) that never ends. Workers don’t own what they make and they do boring and repetitive tasks that make them feel like machines creating a sense of alienation and rootlessness. Marx predicts that capitalism will eventually run into a crisis, because the profit rate will fall as more means of production and resources are used up and less new ones are created, and it is becoming clearer he is correct.

SOCIDLISM

>>21986433
There are no modern socialists, only modern progressives who larp as socialists.
You will not find one "socialist" who goes against progressive dogma, even at the expense of their ideology.

>>21988575
That's because its not just a critique but a systemic analysis of history and the evolution of economic behaviors and social organization. It is a thorough and complete deconstruction of the capitalist economic system and it's consequence. It's not just a rigorous and scientific exposition of capitalism, but also a powerful and passionate call for emancipation. On par with the Bible in terms of its impact.

>>21988611
the beauty of it is marx not only saw the problem but he also had the solution

>>21988623
It is such a profound work. Absolutely sublime work of literature, and the most relevant work to our current reality.

I dont understand how Marxism is supposed to survive without the destruction of technology. The progress-spiral has eclipsed the dialectic from ever resolving.

>>21988862
Technology offers the opportunity for true decentralization, the true ownership of the means of production in society by all.

>>21986433
Check out marxists.org and /leftypol/edu

>>21986446
Ikr. This letter’s phonation is similar to “D”. I hate Americans so much.

>>21986481
Yeah.. right.. ignorance is funny.

>>21986495
> struggling to liberate workers
Are you some secret billionaire?

>t. McDonald’s worker (emoyee)

>>21986446
Is the American in the room with us right now, Pablo?

>>21986433
Read books about basic economics, get a job and u will forget about socialism quickly.

>>21989027
>get a job and u will forget about socialism quickly.
>copium
Imagine being a wagecuck for capitalists/bankers who exploit you to the bone until your death for a few shekels.

>>21989050
>Imagine being a wagecuck
Stopped reading right there nigger. Imagine not owning ur own business and working for yourself. Imagine not owning ur own property. Get a job nigger.

>>21986446
>>21988886
Holy shit, you faggots are beyond humourless. Your funny looking squiggle looks like our good old squiggle so we're going to use it as a stand in instead of writing in your gibberish nonsensical moon-speak. Fucking hell, even the Krauts got this one.

>>21986433
kino poster

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>>21986433
>spreading the wealth
Nigger I would be living like a king if comuniggers didn’t take my family’s wealth, now I’m stuck in a ugly grey apartment for the rest of eternity

>>21986433
Probably all of the books written by Emperor-President Xi, there are lots of them; probably also a comprehensive account of Cubas healthcare system also.

>>21987733
thank you pauly D(ickblastt)

>>21989069
You don’t even have your own alphabet and use the Latin one like a total nigger. Must suck to not have Byzantines come up with an alphabet that suits your language’s phonetics.
t. ruskie

>>21986433
Non ironically

>>21986433
Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth by Ludwig von Mises

The Industrial Revolution and its Consequences by Theodore John Kaczynski

>>21986433
People that cover Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt school. Modern socialism is largely also critical theory which comes from the same crowd.

>>21990243
He cites “leftists” of the hippie sort, the woke liberals and AOC/Bernie cücks of today. So I guess this is what OP is asking, but man, Macron, Labour, DSA and Bernie Sanders are not socialists for trying, or pretending, to reform capitalist inadequacies

>>21990270
Well the DSA objectively is and Labour used to be. Bernie wants the Nordic model so he's a social democrat. Macron is radically pro-capitalism.

Alexander Kojève

Kojin Karatani

Boris Groys.

>>21986523
Increased worker protection, higher spending power, lower taxes and a large amount of the plundering and appropriation in the east and against Jews was done to ensure normal living standards for the normal people during the war. Overall they were pretty fine

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>>21990937

https://alphahistory.com/nazigermany/work-in-nazi-germany/

The first thing Nazis did in power was ban unions, forbade the change in employment and start privatizations. Do you incels ever do anything but lie on the internet for a murderous ideology and you looser failed painter an hero? It has litteraly become a running joke that you losers identify with a loser ideology.

>>21990968
>ban unions
and make one big goverment one, so goverment ran the unions just like in the USSR. It even was the biggest organization in the reich
>forbade the change in employment
forbade it to the extend you needed approval. That same system also made it basically impossible to fire someone without approval.
>start privatizations
no they didn't. they nationalized a whole lot and everything that was ''privatized'' was run by people who were loyal to and directly listened to the state. Those ''private'' entities could even spend their profit however the liked, that was also regulated by the government

do you read anything besides heavily biased sites and snippets, like an actual book?

>>21986433
If you want to understand socialists, you have to get to the root of their views: Rousseau's On the Origins of Inequality and intellectual debates in France throughout the revolutionary period. A key debate in political philosophy in the era revolved around the nature of property, where did this sense of ownership over things emerge? Liberals, like Locke, whom socialists are themselves indebted to, believed that the state, in part, existed to protect private property, including the human individual's right of ownership over his own body and person. All left wing ideologies express varying levels of hostility and skepticism towards private property, from outright abolitionism (most anarchists, classic Marxists and socialists) to some kind of accomodation with it (modern Chinese Marxists, moderate socialists). Once you've dealt with Rousseau, move on to Proudhoun and Marx. The key books here is Proudhoun's What is Property? and Marx's Communist Manifesto. Capital is a very hefty tome on economics so unless your already into that I don't recommend reading it straight away, instead try the Economic and Political Manuscripts of 1844. These set out Marx's early outlook and views, especially his theories of alienation and his first attempts at an economic criticism of capitalism.

Although Marx had provided a "scientific" critique of capitalism, he didn't really point out where to go from there. The German social democrats pursued a policy of parlimentary reformism, which you can read about in their Erfurt Program, a document which outlines their goals and policies. Against them was Lenin, who advocated an authoritarian party of professional revolutionaries to overthrow the government in a violent revolution which he outlines in his book State and Revolution. Against Lenin was Pyotr Kropotkin, the Russian anarchist-communist and his book Conquest of Bread which lays out his vision of a dencentralized, stateless society without any externally imposed hierarchies. This book would be an influence on the Occupy protests if your old enough to remember those. Another really important book is Lenin's Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism. Why do leftists harp on about harp on about imperialism? Because of this book.

All of these books are the defining works of the leftist canon which socialists of all stripes constantly come back to and revisit. There really aren't any major works that transformed and shaped leftism beyond this point, the central themes and concepts these books brought up are constantly passed down, recycled and reinterpeted. Leftists tend to be religiously dogmatic, constantly referring back to these books to settle ongoing debates on interpret the present. They haven't produced anything major since really.

>>21990968
>lets pretend the Nazis weren't successful at anything and Hitler was just a failed painter
Selectively educated people like you are the reason they might come back.

>>21991175
>Capital is a very hefty tome on economics so unless your already into that I don't recommend reading it straight away
There's a shortcut.

fuk anarchiss

I love being a right wing socialist so much bros. Ordinary conservatives get angry that you're too radical and want an integral state instead of yet another rehash of libertarianism, and that you want to create a new aristocracy of warrior-monks instead of trying to resurrect some old oligarchic pseudo-aristocracy that has been dead for centuries anyway. Left-wingers get angry at you for not going to Neoliberal University for 18 years like them to study some failed commune or subvariant of Trotskyism that requires everybody to become genderless nymphoids and free your orgones first. You're allowed to just appeal directly to the workers and the middle class, with appeals that actually make sense, like family, fatherland, culture, religion, race, NOT "free market" cringe pushed by grifter foreigners whose friends are all bankers and Silicon Valley homos. You don't have to hem and haw about live and let live with trannies and schizophrenic hobos pissing on themselves and shooting up next to people's kids.

You don't have to resort to implausible wishful thinking like "it's just more RATIONAL for us all to join one big union and be best friends! It'll happen eventually! The whole world will unite in universal post-religious post-national post-gender sisterhood any day now!" You can just say "Your nation is being poisoned from within, so you should probably smash the monsters responsible for it. You can rely on your fellow evil-smashers in the next country over, because they love their country as much as you love yours, and everybody hates monsters." You don't have to hate anything good and beautiful, or love anything ugly and evil. You don't have to train yourself to be a snarky little bitch online and performatively scoff at things that are beautiful, like classical architecture or the sweet religiosity of grannies.

Everything hangs together, everything makes sense, there's no forcing anything or reeducating yourself to believe counterintuitive things through force of samokritika. Instead, more of an integralist, or fascist, or distributist, or national socialist or national syndicalist you get, the more everything makes sense, the more all the bad ugly things reveal themselves to be working together and the good beautiful things reveal themselves to be interconnected. It's a progressive opening of the eyes instead of a twisting of the will. Trannies are all pedophiles? And the bankers all support the trannies? And companies that want to sell you poisonous addictive candy juice and spread pornography everywhere are all interwoven with the bankers?? Huh! Interesting coincidences! Conversely, I can appreciate classical forms and quaint premodern aesthetics without feeling like I'm being "naive?" I can revere nature, and agrarian hardiness, and good leadership, and manly courage, and the beauty of family and motherhood, without constantly being attacked for being a naive old-fashioned square? Wow!

Become a right wing socialist today!

>>21986446
literally who cares

>>21991843
Sounds reasonable

>>21991843
*gets overthrown in a color revolution and sees the nation spiral into poverty*

>>21986433
Pic related helps truly understand socialism.

>>21991843
>Everything hangs together, everything makes sense, there's no forcing anything or reeducating yourself to believe counterintuitive things through force of samokritika.
"Blah blah blah I don't want to force myself to do anything or challenge myself in any way or grapple with real-existing contradictions."

>>21988862
>The progress-spiral has eclipsed the dialectic from ever resolving.
Capitalism has been able to survive its cycles of financial crises because of developments in social productivity (new tech) and the transference of internal contradictions into the external world, such as colonization, the opening of new markets, wars and conflicts. But developments in artificial intelligence, robots, big data, quantum computing, controllable nuclear fusion and other techs create some dilemmas.

You already hear the Americans complaining about millions of their jobs going to China. Soon or later you will be hearing them crying about A.I. and robots ripping them off. You can have a trade war with the Chinese workers, but then, who will be your target? The answer will be your own home, your church, your community, your city and your state. You will have to destroy everything that gets in your way unless the government is willing to let the socialists take over.

>>21986495
Praxis and Theory necessitate each other, kys

feminism ruined marxism forever

>>21991175

All of what you cited is utopian socialism, which is anti-Marxist. Even Marx's 1844 critique of the Gotha Program falls into it sometimes, even though thats what he critiques. Marx conceived scientiffic socialism as a self-critical and dilaectical "total logic", that is a logic that is contradictory and understands social relations beyond "goals, or history of ideas". You might want to check out Lenin's works because that had a more profound effect on socialist startegy than anything Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin, or even what Marx & Engels wrote on it. Lenin turned a theory into an actual political strategy and therefore transformed a european idea into a global idea for socialists to grab political power.

Start here:

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1968/lenin-philosophy.htm

>>21986433
Protocols of the Elders of Zion

>>21986433
Not even being annoying but this book's chapter on Jewish intellectuals and Marxism is flawless

>>21991159

All of what you described is crony state capitalism i.e. fascist corporatism, it has nothing to do with Socialism. Stalin initiated collectivization and started the pathway towards socialism, where essentially there were no "middle-men". Nazi Germany was so corrupt precisely for the reasons you describe, a great example is the Volkswagen scandal, where Hitler essentially pocketed the money even after his corporatist promotion of the company.

>>21986501
>private property still exists
>unsustainable war-economy doomed to fail and sentenced German workers to even more strife for petty gains
>This unstable economy is then supplemented by forced labour of proletarians submitted to squalor and torture because the aristocrats and old money willed it
>Capital-driven society with alienation at bay only through a manipulative ideology built on shaky ground
>Any attempt to stand up for persecuted lumpen is met with imprisonment or death
>All this hurt and suffering and capital survives the disaster
yeah those workers were totally liberated bro. total revolution man.

>>21986533
there is no national socialism, and there definitely is no fascism in peacetime, only a brief interstice fading before the next conquest.

>>21990937
kek, you truly have the workers interests at heart bro..

>>21989055
>working for yourself
capital consumes all, your desires are dissolved in the expanse of the ever-growing machine, your self-hood unrealised, perpetually alienated at your own doing. The proletariat will realise itself and you will be left in the dust

>>21993093
Corruption can't be relegated to ideology. You are are war with God, not crony capitalism.

>>21986506
>>21986513
Pretty sure the person who made that poster was an anti-socialist satirising socialism rather than a diehard who genuinely thought that Bernie Sanders was the Sixth Head in the diagram

>>21993093
Yeah, not even close. Private property was functionally meangless in Germany at that time. The state bascially gave you a order and you had to complete it. If you wouldn't or couldn't you'd loose ''your'' property (which wasn't even recognized by the state as yours) and if you could do it the profits weren't even yours to do with as you pleased. Not very capitalist.
>fascist corporatism
National Socialism wasn't even corporatist, nor was corporatism capitalist.
>pathway towards socialism
No one uses the Marxist definition of socialism.
>Germany was so corrupt
They really weren't to any special extent. Corrupt officials were send to work camps.
>Volkswagen scandal
That's not even a thing. The cars weren't produced since war production took prevalence. The way you ''bought'' the car was through collecting stamps. Since the car was meant for lower class this meant it could be done in small parts at a speed chosen by the person himself. These couldthen be spend on a car but they were just in general part of the Strenght through joy programme and so could also be used for things like vacations. While the cars were not produced the books were still valid throughout the war and were going to be after the war. Hitler also didn't just pocet the money since it went to the strenght through joy programme which was quite expensive to keep up and directly benefited workers.

>>21993152
You need to go outside and talk to an actual human. You're a midwit loser, not a revolutionary.
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>>21993196

>That's not even a thing. The cars weren't produced since war production took prevalence

You debunked yourself, thats the way corruption in Nazi Germany worked through the state, they allocated funds from corporations and later divulged these funds among themselves, even during the war. Hitler, Goering, Goebells all had become vastly rich through this process. Its not they didn't believe their bullshit, its that they also profited from it. Also the cars were never delivered through the coupons, Hitler litterally took the money and run lol.

>>21993303
Meanwhile Stalin was living in a rickety shack, standing in bread lines with all the other unwashed proles. He even worked nights in the coal mine.

>>21993329

Stalin lived like a monk.

>>21993196
How can someone be this seemingly lucid but not know the difference between loose and lose?

>>21993349
He just had to dispose of the real monks first

>>21987862
The poster is clearly made by an amerimutt rightoid though

>>21993210
kek. u don't know what I do day to day, just keep continuing your lowly existence without acknowledging the rising contradictions bro.. things are cooking

>>21993383
Yeah ramen noodles

>>21991843
I think the national question is one that leftists severely underrate in it's importance (even Marx did imo, although I think it's obvious from what he wrote that he should have taken it more seriously) but at some point you have to realize what you're referring to as "right wing socialism" is just racist social democracy with more corruption. "Right wing socialists" fundamentally misunderstand socialism as being the meme libertarians think it is, just an ideology to mask to government takeover of the private sector and the cronyism that follows such an event. You either believe the workers should take over or you don't and typically "right wing socialists" are class collaborationists. This is their largest issue outside of any moral qualms someone might bring about regarding their atrocities (not like there's an ideology under the sun with no blood in it's ledgers).

>>21993196
>Corrupt officials were send to work camps
Much in the same way the American government "sends pedophiles to jail"

>>21993495
>at some point you have to realize what you're referring to as "right wing socialism" is just racist social democracy with more corruption.
>You either believe the workers should take over or you don't and typically "right wing socialists" are class collaborationists.
His second paragraph implicitly rules out both "racist social democracy with more corruption" and "class collaborationism". I say this as an outsider observer (libtard) but there's basically no reason why Marxism should be incompatible with right wing social views.

>>21986433
Unironically The Road to Wigan Pier

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>>21993529
>I say this as an outsider observer (libtard) but there's basically no reason why Marxism should be incompatible with right wing social views.
I agree to an extent but I disagree that what he said rules out class collaboration. Firstly, the movements he mentioned like integralism or the movement the guy in the picture he posted led were all class collaborationist in nature. Even assuming he desires for a break from that tradition you have to argue for why that precedent won't hold or your ideas will largely be phantasms in your head. Marxists have the same baggage in regards to the USSR, half the inane bullshit you see on the left relates to that argument over overcoming the past. But that's assuming he really disapproves of class collaborationism, however his main argument seems to be founded on the morally bankrupt nature of modernity which could easily be used to justify class collaboration. It often is. Imo fascism had real promise as a movement to breath life into the left as it began to stagnate intellectually but it largely became a post hoc justification for your standard military juntas and the like. Maybe I'm just saying that because I like Italian Futurism idk.

>>21993368
>which is why there are no monks in Russia today