/lit/ - Literature

>>21914448
>Books about incel fantasies ?

>>21914448
From an educational perspective?

Models is the genre classic for
>I just want pussy, gimme a basic roadmap to get some

"How to Win Friends and Influence People" is the generalized normie-approved
>I want to convince people of stuff, how do I do that?

"Never Split the Difference" is the slightly more black hat masterclass in
>I want to be less emotionally retarded in conversation and negotiating, but the important thing is I still get what I want. What now?

Starting Strength is the classic for
>No, I mean LITERAL control, as in I want to pick her up

"Jiu Jitsu University" is the classic for
>No, I mean LITERAL manipulation, as in headlocks and chokes

>>21914468
?
>>21914499
Thanks for the list

>>21914448
> Any books on how to control and manipulate women?
No books, chubbo. It’s just called being good looking, something which I willing to bet you don’t know anything about.

>>21914515
You can control and manipulate women without being good looking though

>>21914529
This kind of thing is in the blood. You won’t be able to learn how to manipulate girls through books because it requires a distinctly feminine spirit that loves intrigue. You either got it or ya don’t.

>>21914535
You can learn the theory and then practice it, eventually you develop experience and you can do it naturally.

>>21915778
did you try it yourself?

>>21914468
Women aren’t meant to have rights anyways, that’s how you get the society we have now

>>21915778
Here it is.
Ding ding, /thread

>>21917201

Yep, it works great. (Getting laid a lot won’t make you happy like you think it will, but losing your virginity fucking rocks)

>>21915778
Holy fuck that’s my post,
I’m a copypasta on 4chan. I really shouldn’t be proud or honored, I should probably be the opposite actually,
but damnit if I’m not totally smiling ear to ear
I love you guys.

>>21917360
Kys disgusting incel

>>21915778
Just downloaded this kino. Will tell you guys later what I think of it.

>>21917360
Based and succinctpilled

>>21917667
>women
>mysterious
lmao

>>21917674
Yea, but he was rejected numerous times by the woman he was attracted to and later he chose some Hungarian faggot. I don't want.

>>21915778
I read one of these seduction books once, it was terrible, it basically was "yeah yeah you have no game becuz ur a noice guy, don't worry we can solve that" and the parts that talk about finally getting bitches implied that you need to go to the nearest night club and say 2 or 3 quirky lines, it was fucking stupid
Is this one any good? I have never read any mystery but some people shill him a lot

>>21917674
The mystery is that they act like adult children but men, from the most educated to the retarded, will still end up enabling the worst of their behaviors.

>>21914499
Funny yet accurate.

>>21917674
The mystery is why god made them so fucking stupid and evil and yet we need them to survive

>>21917678
The woman he simped for was some aristocratic arthoe who spent her whole life blueballing intellectuals/artists and writing blogposts about them. That was the only time Nietzsche fell for a hoe, other women were worthless to him.

If you are 140 and settling for a stupid woman it's a waste of genes. I've given some thought to this and just to hand off my genetic standing to my kids I'd have to get a very smart girl indeed. Depressing stuff, you can't be picky as a man on the dating market unless you're rich

>>21917705
>blueballing intellectuals/artists and writing blogposts about them
Wait, what? Did Cosima really??

>>21917727
Lou Salome

>>21914448
Pook?

>>21914448
Pathetic. Kill yourself and then reevaluate your life, loser.

>>21917819
No.

>>21917819
Kys fatty

>>21917690
I act like an adult child too desu.

>>21914448
Women only operate on “want and lack”
Make them think they lack something you have and they’ll be all over you
Simple as. That’s why all marketing is geared towards women

>>21918303
>Make them think they lack something you have and they’ll be all over you
how?

>>21914541

Then you've devoted a portion of your life to learning how to control women.

Which means they've been in control of you the whole time, and will continue to be.


Just get a job in a quarry and shovel rocks all day instead. Learn to control heavy machinery. Way more fun.

>>21918322
Pilpul

>>21917664
I’m homicidal not suicidal, you never be a real woman.

>>21917670
Thank you

>>21918322
>if you kill your enemies, they win
Incredible argumentation

>>21918313
TELL HER SHE'S NOT AS PRETTY AS SHE THINKS SHE IS

>>21918322
>Want to learn how to program and control computers? Don't do it. You'll realize you've devoted a portion of your live to learning how to control computers which means they've been in control of you the whole time and will continue to be.

>>21918356
Please don't yell at me.

>>21918366
i'm not yelling at you, you have to put on your war face

>>21918366
I HAVE A FAT CAT AND HIS NAME IS LAWRENCE!!! I FEED HIM IN A RUBBER MAT SO HE EATS SLOWER AND HE IS UPSET ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This board is for the discussion of literature, not midwit beta pick up artist shit. If you must discuss such disparate and worthless subjects at least have the courtesy to take it to another board like /adv/

>>21918459
thanks Jan but someone else will take it from here

>>21914499
Pretty good. Have a (You) for that slight dopamine hit.

>>21918459
>midwit shuts down discussion with empty platitudes instead of sharing his alpha male wisdom

Robert Greene Art of Seduction. Jews are the best when it comes to things like this. Only read Jews on this matter

>>21918459
>If you must discuss such disparate and worthless subjects at least have the courtesy to take it to another board

>>21917360
Always lovely to have presence of a wise anon in thread

>>21918751
I used to blindly hate jews, but I can't really say they're wrong about everything.

>>21917679
have you tried not being a complete pussy? I get it bro, you're ugly but you need to man up and develop a personality quickly before your life flashes you by

>>21919120
>develop a personality quickly before your life flashes you by
not him but this makes me incredibly anxious

>>21917360
basado

>>21917700
Take the bussy-bill.

>>21919125
it should make you anxious enough to inspire a change in your behavior.

>>21919189
the what?

>>21915778
I read that book. First of all he tried to pretend like he learned a lot from other fields and applied them to the pick up game, which made him sound like a midwits. Like quoting Bruce Lee and telling people to be like water just made it sound forced and dumb.
Secondly, the whole book is basically just: make your perceived value seem higher than her perceived value. He said it in a more convoluted way though

You're a nerd. Not because you want to "manipulate" women but because you see women as this mysterious other thing that you don't get. You probably play a lot of strategy games. Nerd.

>>21919430
>>21917667
>>21917647
>>21917635
He later wrote about how he regretted that part of his life, read that too

>>21919436
Shut the FUCK up.

>>21919436
>because you see women as this mysterious other thing that you don't get
Every man thinks like that about women. If a man innately understands women completely, or even at all. It is because he himself is a homosexual

>>21917360
truth

Manipulation isn't real
women will do whatever a handsome man tells them to and that's what they call manipulation, there's nothing to write about here

notice how no one who reccomends any of these books writes what they learned from them, because all of "manipulation" pua and pick up books are just the equivalent of 70s books and cartoons for toddlers that tell you need to have a job and eat food to not die, it's all so basic you already know everything written in every one of these PUA books and you knew it all since you were a 5 year old. They aren't even real books, it's just shit you tell to a toddler that get regurgitted with catchy headlines to keep selling them for incels
It's not possible for a human being capable of reading to ever learn anything from a book like "models". You cannot have learned to read without already knowing everything written in it, and even if you know everything written in that book you'd still be an incel because it doesn't actually refer to speaking with women. So if you're capable of understanding this post, you already know everything written in every book on the subject of manipulation, seduction etc.

>>21918377
Why is Lawrence fat?

>>21919475
There's nothing mysterious about them. You just don't interact with them so you formulate some mommy issues headcannon you read on the internet where they're irrational and scary.

They want to be entertained and know someone is handling all the scary or boring stuff. They're basically grown children that want to fuck their dad.

I feel like between these grift echo chambers and taking some 22yo modernity victim's tinder profile at face value, you guys just end up hating women for dumb reasons rather than for the obvious reasons. The mature policy is understanding women are different. They can work and compete and all that stuff but they don't like it and they shouldn't.

>>21919469
Fuck off incel

>>21914448
>Any books on how to control and manipulate women?
Take your meds

>>21917700
Ive made arguments for artificial wombs, like Shulamith Firestone however not to release the burden off women but to replace them

>>21919436
Wha? Bro are you white-knighting? You know there are no woman here for you to impress with your progressive intersectional feminism right?

>>21919698
Dude paternity tests are banned in some countries because they harm women do you actually think they'll allow a machine to do the only reason we keep them around

>>21918359
Honestly as someone whose done programming for like twenty years now this feels incredibly accurate

>>21919461
which part of this life?

>>21920230
>controlling something means you're the controlled!
holy subversion. post nose.

>>21914448
Being a man of worth and integrity so that you can obtain a woman of great worth will help you sleep better at night. Trust me. The ability to sleep soundly at night without needing to think about how shitty you are is worth it.

>>21919520
way to expose yourself tranny lmao
ywnbaw

>>21919436
I agree. It's autism applied to an ignoble thing instead of something worthwhile like math or poetry. I grew out of my pua phase the second I lost my virginity. I can't believe there are 30 year olds who read entire textbooks on picking up women.

>>21920375
Being a PUA

>>21914448
If you keep her self-esteem low and she's good looking she's going to get raped.

>>21917674
Women are a mirror. They just show you yourself.

thoughts on The Rational Male?

>>21918366
CAM'ON FAGGOT, YOU NEED TO GET OVER YOURSELF!

>>21914448
What makes you think you'll be happy in a relationship based on manipulation rather than genuine mutual appreciation? Unless you're some kind of sociopath, I guess.

>>21917705
I don't know if he loved her. I suspect she made that up. He proposed to a lot of women he didn't have strong feelings for. I think the woman he truly admired was Cosima, though he of course had no expectation or ambition of having her, until the end when he went "crazy"

>>21923150
it doesn't make any difference to the woman. they fell in love with manipulators all the time, and marry them.

>>21923167
Unfortunately, many do. I'm asking whether YOU'LL actually be happy that way, knowing that your relationship is based on manipulation, unless you're some kind of sociopath.

>>21921010
Where did he write that?

>>21923174
I'm not a "sociopath", if I were one I wouldn't be needing help from books. I simply want to understand that side of female psychology so I can attract the women I like and have control over the relationship.

>>21917647
welcome to the club, gigachad

>>21923201
Try reading some feminist theory.

>>21923212
how would that even help?

>>21923213
Understand the social relations that prevail between men as a class and women as a class.

>>21923221
Sounds too abstract, like taking 10 steps behind from what I actually want.

>>21914448
Why bother

I got one trick for you to get laid as much as you want easily and get any woman no matter how attractive

Just be yourself

There u go. Ur authentic, ur confident, now you have pussy and you realize it doesn't matter

Also books and reading are for absolute queers

>>21914448
sociopaths dont write books. Sorry

>>21914468
dumbass, it is a totally doable skill. I dont bother cause women are worthless.

>>21914529
managing your appearance is part of being manipulative. You need to commit to the role

>>21914535
>>21914541
You can be taught how to do it, you cant be taught how to enjoy it.

>>21923237
terrific bait

>>21923221
Men and women aren't classes. Read fucking Engels. The reproduction of every day life is the reproduction of labour power and thus work in the full capitalist sense, the ideology arising from these material relations conditions the apparent social relations between men and women.

>>21923235
I assure you it's very relevant. Women live this stuff every day, the least you can do to understand them is understand it.

>>21917360
Look at me! I said the thing online!

>>21923246
>bait
>he doesn't know
Just be urself is honestly the best advice any man can give or receive

There is literally no more instantly applicable advice that can change someone's life for the better. Get comfortable in ur own skin, obtain rizz, and get bitches

>>21923190
His latest book

>>21923265
you're basically telling him to be confident, not to be himself. if he was already confident he wouldn't need help, genius.

>>21923274
U can't be truly confident without being urself

He needs to just be
(Himself)

>>21917724
Why not just have kids with a dozen women?

>>21923274
How many underage anons are on this board? Or does not having sex stunt one's development this much?

Any recommended cope reading for a 30 year old incel like me?

>>21923265
That's assuming you already hit a baseline of social acceptability though. What if being yourself entails something actually shameful, like a scat fetish?

>>21917742
Was just thinking of what that book was called thanks anon.

>>21923167
You will know though. You will always doubt whether or not you are worth love without resorting to manipulation tactics. That is if you have the capability to think that deeply. If not you will just resent without understanding why.

>>21923150
Can you even do it right these days? I don't browse social media anymore and go outside but all the irl women I encounter are still bad (except for a few of the seniors, I appreciate those gals because they make me feel warm and bubbly, more evidence of a forgotten era). Modern women literally don't know what's good for them and they've ruined themselves. Is racemixing with third worlders the only viable meta now? Because it's that or put up with the western bullshit that's been a big part of why everything sucks now and the only way to not burn yourself with that game is lowering your moral standards to manipulation.

>>21914448
You can read all the books you want. In the end --as everyone who's been in a relationship knows (and you clearly haven't)--, he who controls the relationship is the one who cares less, and that won't be your case with any women ever. Assuming any woman lets you touch her with a 3-feet pole let alone date her, you wouldn't have any "leverage" whatsoever.

>>21921240
true. they reflect your sense of self-worth, your anxieties and fears, your appetite for life. most dudes can't even approach 9s and 10s because they couldn't possibly esteem themselves high enough to even think they're worth a glance. putting women on a pedestal, even the minutia of letting them decide what's for dinner or where to go next, all signs of a lack of direction in man. and there's nothing a woman hates more than a man who is dependent. the motherly types are merely women who yearn for their own children. if you want to know who you are, look at your woman.

>>21923433
my diary desu

>>21924323
Sounds like projection. In reality, I wouldn’t care.

>>21914468
FPBP

>>21924346
low IQ

>>21924346
Works for the guy in the OP so you’re wrong.

>>21924417
Virgin.
>>21924418
Nope. He's using it textbook style. Are you retarded? Clearly yes.

>>21924435
If what you said was true, women would always have control because men almost always approach first, they are the first to care. But that is clearly not the case in many relationships and men can be in control if they know how to play their cards. Learning how to behave in a relationship is dealt with in all these books. That’s the whole point.

>>21924403
Ok. Do it up.

>>21924456
Except it's literally true. Maybe try to be in relationships instead of reading books about them? Oh that's right, you can't because no woman wants to be with you. Yeah, keep reading your books and don't shoot up a school.

>>21924510
It’s clearly not always true when people like the guy in OP’s image exist and statistically speaking he can’t be the only one. Like I said, men can be in control if they know to play their cards.”Don’t shoot up a school”? Really? God, you sound like such a tranny.

>>21924510
What's with the tone? Act normal.

>>21924340
Most of the women I've met seem pretty decent.

>>21924510
It is literally true, I didn't care enough to respond to other posts but you're one of the few anons in this thread who actually was in more than 1-2(or 0) relationships. Shit sucks though I used to care a lot, now that I don't I get my dick sucked more easily but it means way less to me.

Is it true that women are worthless? Not as a whole but as in getting in a relationship with a woman. None of you has positive things to say.

>>21924677
>women are always in control
>it’s literally true
Why even live?

>>21914448
No need to read a book about it. There's one super easy strategy you can use that I guarantee will get results. All you have to do is treat them like they are human beings. You know, like a friend. Rather than an object to be pursued, treat them like, you know, people with thoughts and feelings. Then just keep doing that and you'll get results. Also, listening goes a long way. That's not unique to women, though. Everyone likes to feel heard.

>>21924720
This doesn’t work. This leads to friendzone. How old are you?

>>21924723
I'm in my mid-thirties, I'm married, and I've had more opportunities throughout my entire adult life than I did prior to being in a relationship. It becomes so much more obvious what you need to do when you're not looking. The best relationships are predicated on friendship.

>>21924720
>All you have to do is treat them like they are human beings.
Those bad boys/abusers sure do shower them with love. If only nice guys be capable of doing the same.

>>21914448
Why the fuck would I want a fat girlfriend?

>>21924766
Depends on the kind of woman you're looking for. If you want a woman who is attracted to that kind of guy, then yeah, treating them like people won't work. Most women aren't like that, however. Especially if you're looking for a real relationship and not something so shallow.

>>21924712
Not that part man. You're not always the one who cares more. I mean, maybe you are, but that's not a male problem, that's a you problem.

>>21924780
It really seems like you have lucked out with women.

>>21914448
>Any books on how to control and manipulate women? Any good 'dark psychology' books?

Just b urself.

>>21924792
How do you approach women while also not caring?

>>21924888
Not him but sometimes I hold out my hand with seeds at the park hoping a sparrow will land on it instead of just waiting for me to toss them. One in fifty times, it happens, and it's magical. But I never expect it. And I certainly wouldn't sit on a park bench saying "f-fuck you! I don't even care if you land on my hand anyway! You fucking sparrows are all the same! This is bullshit!"

It helps if women are already as important to you as sparrows are to me: nice bonuses if you can get one to land on your hand, and make life pretty while they're fluttering around in the background, but ultimately pretty fucking useless and all they really do is eat, shit, nest, and make the same three sounds over and over again.

>>21914448
she maay have been 140IQ but she obviously doesnt meditate (gym for the soul and tulpas). If she meditated, then she might be steeled against dumb tricks such as dangling a carrot of the material world in front of her.

>>21924868

>>21919488
You severely underestimate how naive some people are. There are people who don't brush their teeth for weeks and ask why they can't pull bitches. And the only reason for that is that they saw someone who is even more unkempt pull bitches. These basic ideas get lost very fast when you see something that completely opposes them.
It is never a wrong thing to tell people that becoming high-value is important. Carrot and stick. If becoming high-value will get me bitches then I will try and become high-value. These books have their worth, redundancies aside.
Have you never seen those people that talk to women as if they were nobility from the 1600s? Those guys could use a book like this. Looks aren't everything, they are a major part of it, but an ugly guy can get a girl easily if he just knows how to communicate with women effectively.

>>21924888
Spark up a conversation because you want to talk. Not because you want to talk with her, but because you want to talk. She should never be the goal. The goal is something you set for your own self-benefit. This is pretty hard, but you just have to get across that you are not so much interested in her, you are more interested in what you can get out of her. Never let a woman know you are interested in her, all she has to do is make a decision and if you aren't as attractive as her own arbitrary values of attraction, she will say no. The book recommended a few posts ago "The mystery method" actually talks about this it seems, picked it up for fun because of this thread and it's a fun read. Maybe it will help out some anons.

>>21914448
>>>/x/omg

>>21926097
Nothing you wrote is true, you had to come up with outrageous caricature to justify existence of these retarded toddler books. These books have no value at all, the caricature you describe does not exist.

>>21926097
also being high value is not manipulation, brushing teeth is not manipulating someone ffs

>>21920168
Why protect them tho?

>>21923248
Materialist jabberwocky.

>>21923260
And I say it in real life too, unlike terminally online zooms zooms I’m not afraid of confrontation

>>21924698
Most people don't write 4chan posts intra-coitus. Of course they don't have anything good to say about women.

>>21924723
Works on me.

>>21917360
Where is the lie?

>>21927410
How would you like it if it was your rights they were taking away?

>>21927413
I dont ask for rights, i assert my authority

>>21914499
kek

>>21914448
>If I pay too many compliments, she starts telling me other men are hot
>If I withhold sex for a month or two, suddenly she's cooking
Holy shit this guy's blissful unawareness

>>21918359
heidegger.jpg

>>21927529
If you keep treading on women we may do the same.

>>21927755

>>21924381
I suppose this begs the question. How do I gain self-worth? And what book can point me in the right direction?

>>21923246
This is only bait to /r9k

>>21924645
Until you really get to know them

>>21927867
/fit

>>21927940
I've gotten to know some of them pretty damn well. Like 'would tell our deepest darkest secrets to each other and invite each other to our weddings' well.

>>21914499
is models actually worth reading, bros?

>>21928563
Its more about emotional intelligence not being a complete social retard. You would be amazed by how many people get into relationships who are lacking basic emotional health. If you have strong emotional intelligence you will naturally do the most attractive thing. You won't have to read it and it will be insanely obvious (not rewarding bad behavior) (not looking for validation or approval). If you're a complete social retard (like most people on here) I would suggest reading it.

>>21927538
t. involuntary celibate

>>21923150
The choice isn't between manipulation and le wholesome appreciation, it is between manipulation and celibacy (or divorce if you're already together).

>>21914448
maleprivilege.net/viewtopic.php?t=159

>There's nothing wrong with being deceptive, predatory and even sociopathic if it's for a good cause; and hot girls are one of the best causes there have ever been.

>>21928800
oh-okay, I'll read it

>>21928844
There are relationships not based on manipulation.

>>21923400
lmao based femoid
>>21914448
>I want to get pussi!
just b urself anon! But, also books won't help you. The shortest distance between two points is a straight line so this is basically a math problem. There is a simple recursive function that will get you laid.
1. What ever you are doing with her right now is defined as "sex"
2. In your mind describe the "sex" you are having with her. Format of this description is "We were having sex but ..." where ... is the first thing you can think of that doesn't make sense.
>"We were having sex but she wasn't looking at me"
>"We were having sex but we weren't facing each other"
>"We were having sex but she was 5 feet away from me"
>"We were having sex but she was talking the whole time"
>"We were having sex but there were 20 other people in the room"
>"We were having sex but her clothes were on"
>"We were having sex but she was crying and screaming for help"
3. Fix that thing
4. Wait a minute
5. Go back to step 2
Anyways, good luck anon!

>>21929523
Also if you are asking /lit/ how to trick girls into liking you there is zero(0) chance of you being capable of tricking a girl into liking you. You just need to get lucky and hope she already likes you when you meet her.

>>21917724
you need to pad out IQ with dumb normie genes or your klids will be schizo and/or suicidal