/lit/ - Literature

>>21896629
The good goy lost.

>>21896651
Do not sexualize children in my thread.

>>21896661
MY thread now.
this is now a LOLITA thread

>>21896629
I watched a bit of the show.
eh...kinda?
There is a bit of cringy shit like that.

>>21896629
It’s PKD’s most popular book and also his most (perhaps only) midwit book

>>21896671
And what of this cringe actually derives from the book? The book is quite short. Way too short to have supported such a series. Most of that was added fluff. The TV show and the book are not really even the same story.

>>21896709
>his most (perhaps only) midwit book
Explain the abrupt ending.

>>21896666
Begone, Satan.
>>21896709
I listened to half of the one about the claws where they have self-building robots that look like vulnerable people that are used for infiltrating bases and dropped it. I listened to his speech in Metz that was at least presented as nonfiction and enjoyed it. What should I go for? Flow my tears? That and the man in the high castle were the ones he mentioned in the speech. I think there may be some truth to his speech but after reading about all his trauma I think I may have been enticed by a charismatic looney with delusions of grandeur. Link to the speech if you haven't heard it. I like this kind of metaphysical stuff and I can probably forgive him for being a product of his time but I dont want to hear 8 hours of "The Germans wanted to take over the world, kill billions of people, and make life hell! Good thing ZOG saved the day! XD" even if there are some cool ideas conveyed that way (I am like 3/4 German born in America but refuse to identify as American because Americans aren't a people)
https://youtu.be/DQbYiXyRZjM

It's Phillip K dick, of course not
>>21896745
I don't see why it'd be midwit. It just doesn't have a coherent plot structure and was written by consulting the I ching

>>21896753
americans are more of a people than germs are tho. whole 100 years older than germany and even wrote germany's constitution :3

>>21896739
>The TV show and the book are not really even the same story.
Oh well I didn't even know that.
Wasn't really interested in the book

>>21896764
>americans are more of a people than germs

>read PKD's vision of a dystopia in Flow My Tears
Uh, yeah. Just awful. Couldn't bare the thought of such a world...

Man, people in the 60's had no idea, did they?

>>21896753
>The Germans wanted to take over the world, kill billions of people, and make life hell! Good thing ZOG saved the day
Is this from the speech? It seems antithetical from High Castle. I got entirely the opposite from it.

>>21896767
The book is short. What is in it is not fully fleshed. The TV show is a long drawn out affair with things that are fleshed out that do not even appear in the book. I am not sure that one could translate it to film well. It would be so short that the abrupt ending would not convey the same abruptness that the book does.

>>21896763
>It just doesn't have a coherent plot structure
It does not need it. The abrupt ending is the most important element of the book. The rest of the story just gets you there.

>>21896629
It's classic 60s American mindset where all "Eastern" culture is the same so the victorious Japanese Empire loves the I Ching for some reason

>>21896772
Don't engage this, Hans. We both have serious problems. Pic only added for context, not further inflammation.

>>21896814
I am not German you cunt.
This was all your country's fault and you will suffer.

>>21896666

>>21896818
your mind has decayed significantly by the time you reach 70. Memories also get re-contextualized every time you access them

>>21896824
yeah yeah sure sure

>>21896764
No. America is like 60% white or something. They occupy Germany militarily to this day. My people are occupied by my homeland, and my homeland has evil intentions because it is half controlled by Jews.
>>21896781
No, the speech was talking about "past presents" (you would have to listen to it. I can't explain it well enough from just one listen) deja vu, dreams as clues to the nature of reality, and qualitative movement into superior alternate realities with different pasts which seem as if they've always been true. Sorry if that's hard to understand. He said it took him 3 years to write it and get the courage to say it.
>>21896804
Lol.
>>21896818
They died and killed. Now we have this world. Was it an improvement? Everything I type is logged by the NSA and capital. Jews are prominent in the government and influence to go to war for them, not us. Germany is a colony of multiculturalism. It wasn't what they wanted, but through their brave actions, it was facilitated.

>>21896818
Excellent. I got you to post something important. We'll get back to that later. As a sidenote, if someone wants something more coherent from Dick, then one could try Voices from the Street. It's a lot more direct than his other work and the prose was better edited.

> you have to be brainwashed into hating fascism.
Um. That's not how it works dummy

>>21896842
Thanks for the link to the speech. I will listen when I have time. I think that it explains the plot quite a bit. The conflict between you and the other chap is actually extremely important to the theme of the work in question. I still await someone addressing the abrupt ending.

>>21896863
I didn't listen to the man in the high castle, just the very start of it. Other people are discussing it.

>>21896863
>>21896866
Oh and you're welcome.

>>21896853

>>21896629
i found this book to be incredibly boring.
>hurr the Grasshopper book is the REAL history
>we're just all living in an illusion!

>>21896829
stop mainlining pol. Standards of living have rose significantly since 1942 and you wouldn't enjoy going back in time to experience it

>>21896878
>Standards of living
define

>>21896878
Suicide and mental illness rates just keep going up and up.

>>21896897
and lifespan is still significantly higher whereas suicide is not a leading cause of death. You're just chugging on a decline narrative using any metric to justify it

>>21896878
Who cares about standards of living if I'm being colonized by every race in the world at once, the government inveigles my folk into Jewish wars, omniscient surveillance is almost a reality, niggers burn loot and murder where they used to fear to tread, tge women are whores who murderlate their babies, and everyone wants to drug and kill themselves and cut their cocks off.
But at least we got cheap gmo food grown with pesticides that give men tits.

>>21896899
>you get to live 20 years longer and hate everything around you
Probably why people are killing themselves

>>21896903
Lol. Living is such a shit prospect that people are turning their rental body in early.

>>21896901
muh grievance list. The level of prosperity experienced during the 50's wasn't normal or sustainable. Even with every issue on that list you're still going to live longer and be in better health than the greatest generation and have more affluence than someone born in the first half of the century as well. None of what you've listed is world ending even with the relative cultural and political decline of the west, stop being demoralized

>>21896916
>the greatest generation
Establish this position.

>>21896916
>im experiencing nonstop CBT of the soul but at least i'm not hungry and live longer!!!1

>>21896903
mood disorders do not effect the majority of the population and are entirely treatable. Suicide is not a leading cause of death. You are fixating on negative trends and inflating their overall significance just like how ameribugers somehow think blacks trans etc are a huge portion of the population when in fact they're a minority

>>21896916
"prosperity" is a meme. Material wealth doesn't have that much to do with happiness.
>you live longer
Okay, but what for? So I can be angry and depressed every day?

>>21896878
>"but muh longer life!"
cope
>>21896928
>mood disorders do not effect the majority of the population and are entirely treatable
You put your faith too much in people
>somehow think blacks trans etc are a huge portion of the population when in fact they're a minority
A small problem is still a problem

>>21896931
it absolutely has a direct correlation until you're in the bracket of upper earners
>I'm depressssed!
Imagine thinking this is as serious as going into world wars, worldwide unemployment etc. Take st John's wort, vitd3 and go exercise you mong

>>21896936
>died at age 40 or younger
>did not have dental care, terrible tooth decay from carbs
>if you get any serious health condition, you're fucked
>Even the richest king still had access to far far less technological innovation
>Brainwashed with skydaddy ideology your entire life
>BUT THE OBJECTIVELY POORER PEOPLE WORKER LESS HOURS THOUGH!
coap

>>21896942
>just get fit!
And then what? I'm surrounded by people I don't know and can't connect with. I want an actual community to belong to, and that's pretty much impossible now.

>>21896916
Human domestication.

>>21896954
For starters you'd still be bitching if you were in a homogenous huwhite community because your neighbours would all be shitlibs. The internet gave you a fringe snowflake ideology which is practiced by a tiny subset of people, it's hardly any different than furries and their problems associating with others. Besides of which there's eventually going to be a rebound in white cons when the shitlibs die out

>>21896957
yes and. Would you prefer to be a neanderthal

>>21896953
>skydaddy
ok reddittard
Go live your meaningless, sexless, multiracial, cultureless life because at least you have zoloft.
Also about the tooth thing, people didn't eat the same goyslop that we do today and needed
"prehistoric humans had much better teeth than we do today"
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/prehistoric-humans-had-better-teeth-than-we-do-26567282/#:~:text=beautiful%2C%20shimmery%20teeth.-,But%20it%20turns%20out%20that%20we%20actually%20have%20less%20healthy,Australian%20Centre%20for%20Ancient%20DNA.

>>21896958
>Would you prefer to be a neanderthal
Yes.

>>21896958
>you'd still be bitching if you were in a homogenous huwhite community because your neighbours would all be shitlibs
Yeah, that's a problem of the current era. We can't just have shared cultural values anymore. Everything is divided into endless tribal groups.
My parents didn't grow up like this. I don't think my mom even knows if she's right wing or left wing. It wasn't the way people really approached the world. Friends, family, etc came first, and THEN people thought about politics, if at all. Now siblings excommunicate each other people someone said something that was a bit racist.

>>21896959
in the modern world we have such an abundance of free information that anyone with time can learn advanced topics they couldn't even dream of being able to do even 20 years ago. There is a revolution in biology and neuroscience, as well as computing currently underway and anyone interested can take part. Previously you would have just gotten old, been afflicted by numerous problems we didn't know how to fix in a near random way, and live terribly for it. Now we're catching up and some people in antiaging are talking about a lifespan of 120. Stop being a fucking bitch

>prehistoric humans had better teeth
supplement k2 and take no sugar/eat minimal carbs. This is exactly the kind of knowledge I'm talking about

>>21896977
>people being divided into "tribal groups" is a modern phenomena
Guy...

>>21896942
>Imagine thinking this is as serious as going into world wars, worldwide unemployment
I do not want your depression, your unemployment, or your world wars. Keep it. The whole lot of it.

Everything PKD wanted to do was done in a better, deeper, and more keen manner by Pynchon. I suggest you stop reading slop and read a real book. Maybe start with the crying of lot 49

>>21896988
What's the point of any of that if you just get to be miserable and lonely all the time?
I'm not even middle aged as it is, and I'm pretty much read to die. I really am.

>>21896991
It is. There simply weren't as many groups of people around back then. There weren't as many races, sexualities, niche hobbies and interests. You pretty much just went outside and did what everyone around you was doing.

>>21896958
>huwhite
>shitlibs.
>snowflake
Look out, boys. Looks like we have ourselves a true to life boomer alpha male in our presence.

>>21896994
Get a fcking girlfriend. Reproduction is the struggle programmed right into your dna, it gets much easier when your testosterone levels drop in the later half of your 20's as well.

>>21896992
you clearly wanted what the guy who experienced ww2 had to offer, and that's what he had

>>21896988
You are just cherry picking bullshit and saying durr its better because now you can look up furry porn on your phone and a king couldn't!
Sure sure we had luxuries now that we didn't have back then but that doesn't mean that the human spirit hasn't been deformed and butchered.
The world is an ugly mess right now and you are only ever looking at the economic and technological side of things, not cultural nor spiritual.
Why the fuck would I ever want to live forever?

>>21896993
I disagree, but at least you are on topic.

>>21897004
You think I know any women? Or know how to speak to women?
What am I going to say to them? "hey, did you see that thread on twitter"?

>>21897008
how the fuck am I cherry picking. We're experiencing a relative decline in purchasing power and a relative increase in social problems but we're still doing better than someone born in 1930 by many metrics. Every generation has problems, for the past 40-50 year the west has had an anomalously low number of them

>>21897022
>we're still doing better than someone born in 1930 by many metrics
Not culturally nor spiritually.
People had an actual community, a purpose, an idea greater than themselves.
And while I individually do have those ideas, the rest of the world does not.

>>21897004
>you clearly wanted
Don't tell me what I want. That is demagoguery. I want the realization at the end of High Castle to be universal and for it to manifest before WW 1.

>>21896993
this is such a midwit approach to books. High Castle is particularly interesting because it's actually a description of how PKD views the nature of time. There are element of philosophical introspection in Pynchon but none of his work is even close to as personal as PKD's was. PKD was writing confessions of a schizo, Pynchon is more of le wacky guy who likes the Simpsons a but too much. Also Crying of Lot 49 is Pynchon's worst book and he wrote at length about how it was a failure

>>21897030
The church was already in decline by the 40's and I suspect very few people found anything particularly transcendent. The only argument in favor is racial homogeneity and we'll get a version of that back with time. Just look at the demography, right wing nattys have more children and will just progressively outbreed the shitlibs even if they're ethnically ghettoized. You're taking the best moments of a turbulent history and stitching them together into a composite of all the goods of the period without factoring in any of the benefits of technological development. The net good is always higher levels of technological development even if adaptation always has harms

>>21897030
>Not culturally nor spiritually
Yeah. Note that he declined to define ''standard of living''. He probably has a purely materialist take. Whatever it is, he won't take ownership of it.

>>21897051
>we'll get a version of that back
The absolute state. You never get your genes back.

>>21897051
>we'll get a version of that back with time
I hope so, but I am not very sure.
>right wing nattys have more children and will just progressively outbreed the shitlibs
kids can change politics but it is true that a lot do follow their parents.
I just think that WW2 was the biggest mistake ever.
Even financially, the concept of usury has enslaved humanity.
I would love to continue but I need to sleep. I have a shit day tomorrow.
Goodnight.

>>21897057
>materialism is le bad
I don't have interest in going through statistics tables just to present something I already ofthand know is correct anonymoose. I'm SURE the missing link in human happiness is the decline in religion while we seem to be readily replacing it with other forms. I'm SURE the cultural standards back in puritan 1800 were great (see temperance: they weren't) and worth a time machine to go back when we could just raise uncucked kids today instead.

>>21897077
It's no just religion. It's racial and cultural homogeneity, and limited access to the media.

>>21897069
Well I think we all said our bit. I don't think in the grand scheme of things ww2 changed much, the defeat of Nazism/Fascism wasn't really the same as the defeat of nationalism at the time and moral standards in the states were robust until the 60's. There's hardly any point in getting wrapped up over the perversions of money power; it's been happening throughout all history. Obviously the political-economic malaise of today has to be addressed but the decline of the west isn't the end of the world as we know it. The postwar Keynesian order had a special moment where demand for manufactured goods was high and most of the world hadn't caught up yet, it's not the sort of thing that can be reproduced indefinitely.

>>21897066
you're implying I'm not planning on having three kids. The other thing to keep in mind is with designer babies becoming a very realistic possibility in a decade we're all going to have very similar genomes by the end of it. Eugenics is after all the willingness to sacrifice your particular lineage for gains in fitness for your greater genetic family.

>>21897082
I doubt there's been much similar historically to the kind of racial brotherhood imagined by your types. It's always been ethnic ghettos based on country of origin with occasional political crossovers. Limiting access to information isn't a productive idea either, you'll end up a dead end like Iran

>>21897103
Can we limit access to Twitter and television, at least?

>>21897008
Communism rots the body. Liberalism rots the soul.

>>21897077
>materialism is le bad
I could smell it.

>>21896878
>Standards of living have rose significantly since 1942
Yes, it's true I can't find an hard-working but honest factory job that will take me in as a college dropout and allow me to have a small house, a car, and feed a family, but I do have 24-hour entertainment and a steady supply of drugs to keep the negative thoughts out! I sure do love the modern world!

>>21897131
Haha! I meant high school dropout! A college dropout might work fast food while a high school dropout is pretty much destined to be homeless or a career criminal as long as he doesn't have a degree! No real job for him, unless he came into the country illegally!

>>21897117
If we limited twitter we'd never be able to read counterculture redpills or crowdsourced information going against the narrative. It's the quality of information on the medium that matters, and most people just aren't inquisitive or intelligent enough to concern themselves with these things. Stupid people make entertainment suitable for themselves unfortunately

>>21897129
>Massive abundance of new age books since 1960 on every conceivable metaphysical topic
>No, we better just go back to the good ole days when half as much information was available and most of it came through human hands at the church

>>21897131
Or get to experience recreational radiation bathing... for your health. What I meant by it being anomalous is that for most of modern history in most of the world you couldn't do that either. Most of the population aren't on mood altering medication either, I think the range is only something like 10%

>>21897103
>you're implying I'm not planning on having three kids
I'm not implying shit. I am having a sensible chuckle over the whole ''men plan, God laughs'' part, though.
>The other thing to keep in mind is with designer babies becoming a very realistic possibility in a decade we're all going to have very similar genomes by the end of it
>Eugenics is after all the willingness to sacrifice your particular lineage for gains in fitness for your greater genetic family
>thinking that you will be in charge of that and be able to control what the gene structure is
If the government is demanding multikulti now, then what is the impetus for them to give it up if ''designer babies'' come to bear? Who is to say that millions of welfare baby mommas would even pick good genes if they were available if they don't do it now?

How many of you faggots read High Castle?

>>21897147
>we'd never be able to read counterculture redpills or crowdsourced information going against the narrative
I don't want that either. It just makes everyone angry, and eats into precious time they should be spending interacting and community building.
"The red pill" just becomes another time wasting addiction past a certain point. It's not actually that good for you.

Look guys what I'm saying is that I can go into a used bookstore and find at least 50 years worth of good data in half a dozen books on any topic. I can then go to libgen or z-library and get three times as much from very obscure sources all of which is surprisingly current. Moreover with the advances I've discussed going on we simply know things about the human brain, body, society, economy etc that in general are significantly better than past generations. There is a real value in this if you apply that information to self-improvement or health/lifestyle topics. Moreover with crowdsourcing happening there is a vast quantity of good current events data as well, not just hoary expert consensus or the spurious findings of a social science academic. There is real value having such massive access to information

>>21897149
you should be more concerned with how they'll regulate it. But once the technology is out of the bag it'll be nearly impossible to control and centralize thankfully and it's off to the races. Anyone who doesn't participate in the genius-babies-who-don't-age-normally-and-don't-get-sick program even in the early stages loses out and will join in for the next round

>>21897160
I don't think you would have come to the conclusions you have without being exposed to these channels of information

>>21897155
quite a while ago. I only remember the Japanese general (?) entering some kind of parallel universe for a brief moment while walking

OP here. Can anyone whose been paying attention to the thread let me know if anything posted is on-topic? I'm not reading all that shit.

I dont care about the retard fight btw continue if you want.

Fuck off back to pol

>>21897268
Go back up the pope's pussy.

>>21897177
>I don't think you would have come to the conclusions you have without being exposed to these channels of information
Obviously. It's a dead end. Nothing ever actually gets any better. You just obsess over how exactly the world is all wrong. It becomes an unproductive hobby.

>>21896936
>serf
>Owned his own land.
I always laugh when I get to this part.

>>21896629
Ive never read TMITHC but I’ve read 10 other pkd novels. I’m curious how many people unfamiliar with him read high castle expecting a classic about alternative universe Europe and end up with a fucking weird pkd novel.

>>21897355
Why? It's factual that many serfs owned land. They would even trade and sell tenure between each other.

>>21897696
I wish I could lie, so brazenly, about things that are common knowledge, like you.

>>21897197
Yeah, bro. I must admit that I did my fair share of shitposting here, but I am >>21896745 and this point is highly underestimated. Almost everyone thinks that he botched the ending. It is abrupt for a very specific reason. Have you read it. I am not going to spoil it.

>>21897712
It's not common knowledge at all. Go read a book on the economic history of Europe.

>>21897601
I got the Lib of America compilation and voices from the street. I just kind of read them in order of appearance in the book. I don't remember where it fell - somewhere in the middle. I read enough Dick that High Castle was coherent for me. I was already familiar with his shitty prose. I watched some of the shitty TV show so that confused things a bit.

>>21897724
>read a book on the economic history of Europe
Not him, but I just wanted to sidebar. I am not familiar with the land ownership detail, but I found Germans on Welfare from David Crew to be very enlightening regarding agitation behavior during Weimar. Please, resume your argument.