/lit/ - Literature

>>21879686
There is zero innovation in mahayana. It's just the deep desire of cramming back a true nature into buddhism and some primordial heaven, because NPC cant handle the no self teaching and prefer to imagine a state where you can pop in and out of existence, for all eternity.

Of course the same NPCs start seething when they are ask to solve the problem of evil which they manufactured themselves: you where comfy abiding in the primordial mind but then somehow karma appeared and there is the fall into suffering and now the goal is to go back to the primary mind. Woah . Thanks Nagarjuna. You may as well stick to Judaism at this point.
Then they lose their mind when the buddha says explicitly that it's impossible to have state devoid of illusion, preceding a state of illusions, then followed by a state of no-illusion again. The path is only illusion->no-illusion. This makes the mahayanatards, the vajrayanatards and the hindutards seethe so hard it just funny at this point.

>>21879742
so what you're saying is, i should just stick to the pali canon

>>21879742
This in general has been my conclusion. I've yet to find any Buddhist text of value outside of the Dhammapada which is one of the greatest works ever written.
Is there anything I'm missing?

>>21879742
There is no such karma aur dukkha, there are no causal dependencies. That is the essence of shunyavaad but modern Buddhist larpers are just rebellious abrahmics who can read the specifics but never understand the essence.

>>21879686
Just lol at taking any of this shit seriously
>I have achieved le true enlightenment
>What does this give me, you may ask? *snickers* Oh you'll see
>Sits in one place for the rest of their life and dies

>>21880416
>Sits infront of a screen 12hrs a day
>I am le modern man I have achieved the pinnacle of human existence

>>21879686
The Lotus Sutra is kino even if is one of the more meagre texts philosophically. Where else do you get Buddha sticking his tongue up thousands of miles in the air to lick heaven? Or loli lamia princesses dunking on literalists? Not in the Mulamadhyamikakarika. Not in Vimalakirti. But in the Lotus Sutra.
>>21879742
Natures and heavens are expedient teachings for people too slow for the good stuff. Leave no child behind.
>>21880213
What have you read?

>>21880416
>>21880435
a nice wall > goodscreen > badscreen
simple as

>>21879686
read the first volume of buddhist logic by stcherbatsky

>>21879686
YOU WILL REPEAT AFTER ME AND YOU WILL BECOME ENLIGHTENED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfRcUpoPl7w

>>21880213
Have you read the Sutta Nipata? (Not to be confused with the Sutta Pitaka.) It has some poetry similar to the Dhammapada.
The Atthakavaga is very good despite being named "The Chapter of Eights"

yes

>>21879686
Heretical Mahayanist goobledy-gook.

>>21879742
>There is zero innovation in mahayana
>innovation
who told you Theravada was the original buddhism which then got "innovated" by mahayana? you got memed, and a lot of current-year Theravada is just protestant Buddhism influenced by the anglos when they wrecked shit around south asia, before that it was a lot of magical amulets and shit

>>21880416
self-mummification is pure kino

>>21879686
Ok, but what if I skip all the reading and just become an atheist without having to read the pali cannon?
The version of Buddhism I've been sold is just atheism with extra steps.
There's everyone else who seems to actually believe in the religion.

>>21883031
Yeah new age is cancer.

>>21883031
>The version of Buddhism I've been sold is just atheism with extra steps.
it's even worse, it makes zero sense unless you believe in reincarnation because if you don't believe in reincarnation you can achieve the same Nirvana results by jumping from a building

>>21883942
Nirvana isn't annihilation. Read a book, any book.

>>21883982
it is in most theravada buddhism translated to westerners that doesn't explicitly affirm reincarnation or at least some sort of esoteric "craving" getting transmitted across lives, and if you accept those esoteric principles i don't see why you wouldn't accept others, without at least having to reason why some are credible and some are not credible, but western Theravadins almost never do that, just keep their assumptions hidden and pretend they don't really "believe in anything man"

>>21883031

Nah even atheists generally aren't going to pretend to have a shit fit over the killing of an insect.

>>21884011
>western Theravadins almost never do that, just keep their assumptions hidden and pretend they don't really "believe in anything man"
Not sure who these people are but you can just ignore them. There's no Buddhist pope, their interpretation is wrong, they will be reborn as bugs, and other Californians will eat the bugs.

>>21884099
>they will be reborn as bugs
hungry ghosts are cuter

>>21882972
I prefer thukdam
https://tricycle.org/article/thukdam-project/

I want to like chan/asian buddhism but not like this

>>21884011
>but western Theravadins almost never do that
huh like who?

>>21883942
the buddhism path is resolving suffering, suicide is surrender yourself to suffering, those two things are polar opposites

>>21886666
Thanks lama satan rinpoche

>>21886666
it's exactly the same unless you affirm the doctrine of rebirth, satan

>>21886789
Because you say so?

>>21886789
on the contrary, buddha's whole point is that you can resolve suffering in this life, nirvana is an inherent aspect of phenomenological life, that's the third noble truth

>>21887067
and you can also resolve it by jumping from a building, unless you believe in rebirth

>>21887077
no you don't if you commit suicide you're not resolving sufering, you're surrender yourself to it, which again, is the exact opposite
resolving suffering is a mental operation, suicide is a physical action that arise from your inhability to to cope with your mental situation

>>21887094
>your mental situation
who is this "your" and what you gain by "resolving" things for him?

>>21887097
that question doesn't make any sense

>>21887107
neither does your interpretation of buddhism

>>21887108
what interpretation? i just repeated the noble truths, there's suffering a cause and a solution and buddhism is the practice of those truths, you're the one sayign there's "two people"(?) suffering at the same time or something like that, which makes no sense at all

>>21887130
the fourth noble truths reference the eightfold path, which references rebirth, the whole edifice falls down if you don't explicitly believe in rebirth

>>21887198
no, the fourth noble truths reference, suffering, the cause, the solution and the eight things you should develop to attain said solution, this shows you know absolutely nothing about buddhism and probably are mixing hinduism and buddhism, which is what most people who wants to criticize buddhism but know nothing about it, end up doing

>>21887216
those "eight things" talk explicitly about rebirth, no amount of cope and of re-writing buddhism to fit your retarded californian worldview will change that

>>21887226
>those "eight things"
those eight things are right view, right resolve, right speech, right conduct, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right samadhi
all of those thigns are in reference tho this life, no rebirth at all, so the only one coping here is you and it shows, next time go to wikipedia and study at least the basis of buddhadhamma if you wanna criticize it

yes buddhism is moronic without rebirth. it's fine. the buddha never said rebirth doesn't exist.

>>21887198
>the whole edifice falls down if you don't explicitly believe in rebirth
not believing in something does not refute it you disingenuous retard.

buddhism and rebirth are one and the same and i truly hope so-called laymen practitioners in this thread do not proclaim to follow one while dismissing the other

>>21887259
nah, that's what vedantas belive in order to make buddhism fit with their believes and pose a crypto-atman in buddhahdamma, buddhism pays little atention to rbeirht, buddha himself said that rebirth is one of the things no human can deduce or speculate about, so it's better not to think about it and just practice the dhamma and focus on freeing yourself from suffering on this life

>>21887303
that's what a western guy larping as a traditionalist would say, in reality most buddhist monks center their practices and dhamma talks into this life paying little to no attention to rebirth, since speculation about rebirth is one of the things that lead us stray from the path, only materialistic lay people think about rebirth into a higher deva realm, serious practicioners focus on the here and now of suffering and nibanna and the skilfull means to get there

>>21880450
A modern Buddha

>>21887094
>if you commit suicide you're not resolving sufering, you're surrender yourself to it
And what difference does that make if you're dead forever?

>>21887971
It doesn't.

>>21887793
>>21887303
To me, my considerations of rebirth start and end when I feel its weight of the countless times we've had to endure all of this, It helps me appreciate the dharma and I feel compelled to work towards enlightenment.

>faggot
>tard
>larp

You can't be a poster on 4chan AND be a good Buddhist.

>>21887793
If you have attachment to this life, you are not a dharma practicioner
If you have attachment to samsara, you don't have renunciation
If you have attachment to your own welfare, you do not have bodhicitta
If you have attachment to grasping at things, you do not have the view