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>>21836541
Probably, but I don’t care.

>>21836541
Epicurus > Aristippus

>>21836541
hedonism is just the belief that there is no higher good than physical pleasure
the refutation of it comes from a non-physical transcendent good, which has an immanent being as well, or with an understanding of mind/body dualism, where the mind is ontologically immaterial
if you understand eudaemonia and/or goodwill as having a metaphysical source, then hedonism is incorrect

the crimes of the marquis de sade's imagination were more than hedonism, and encroaches on outright malice, material or otherwise

>>21836541
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>>21836541
>has there been a valid argument against hedonism?
De Sade advances a cogent argument in favour of thanatonic ironism. Have you read 120 days?

Yea, if you're a degenerate long enough, you're going to cross the wrong person and get your skull caved in by a free-range warrior of divine will and spirit.

>>21836541
Indulging in pleasure brings unsatisfaction and restlessness, resulting in a dissipated and agitated mind. Restraining from pleasure brings fullness and spiritual contentment, resulting in a calm and harmonious mind. Materialism is rot

>>21836925
>the refutation of it comes from a non-physical transcendent good,
What if i experience God in cooming?

>>21836541
>But also, if you imagine the pleasure of an animaleating versus the pain and agony of the animal being eaten, you can’t befooled ...you see that suffering exceeds pleasure or happiness in this world, by many magnitudes.
>BAP

>>21837100
That's called the left hand path of occultism and takes decades of study and practice. Only a handful of people likely ever reached such a stage you are referring to.

>>21837111
Thoughts on castration?

>>21837104
>recycled Schop

>>21837118
Probably not a good idea. Continuously resisting carnal temptation is much preferable than to avoid it altogether. Test your mettle as a hammer forged from liquid fire

>>21837100
you dont

>>21836541
Sade is good for redpilling normies. Just explain to them that: freedom=nature, nature=cruelty, cruelty=rape

>>21837118
>Thoughts on castration?
I am in favour of it for all americans. Especially the women.

>>21837080
And where might those people be in the real world in the west?

>>21836541
>This is the meaning of anguish, without which sexuality would be only an animal activity, and would not be erotic. If we wish to clearly represent this extraordinary effect, we have to compare it to vertigo, where fear does not paralyze but increases an involuntary desire to fall; and to uncontrollable laughter, where the laughter increases in proportion to our anguish if some dangerous element supervenes and if we laugh even though at all costs we should stop laughing.

>>21837124
I do. I always picture Xim with every stroke

>>21836541
IMO it's in poor taste to live a hedonistic life without working hard as well.

>>21836541
the fact that hedonism has caused the collapse of not only civilizations but people themselves during the history of humanity?

>>21836541
Yeah it makes me feel bad.

>>21836541
Moderation in all things. The choice is not an all or nothing one between absolute asceticism v.s unrestrained hedonism. The extreme ascetic and the indulgent hedonist have a similar underlying mindset. One leads to the other. Setting an unobtainable ideal of total restraint from pleasure leads the way to uninhibited indulgence.
There's value in restraint, and in practicing controlling your desires or delaying gratification. As a simple practice of control or discipline, or just to reset it's good to practice restrain. I now and then go through phases of fasting, as I find it clears my head, and is oddly in its own way pleasurable. There's a certain irony in the fact that the denial of desire becomes the pleasure of others...
Over-indulgence can be a danger, that under the spell of desire one loses track of any sense of limitation or morality. Shakespeare's "The Rape of Lucrece" impressed this on my mind. By putting the reader into the mind of a rapist, he shows us the potent ways desire can cloud the mind. Tarquin step by step forward rationalizes each further transgression leading him to commit the unspeakable act. And the frustration of pleasure becomes its own incitement. The excitement of transgression.
While the excesses of shame has its dark side, limitation has its place. Unrestrained desire can give way to disorder.
For me, if I'm honest there's an additional element of egoism in the denial of gratification--of proving myself to be above it. Or a fear of losing control of myself to desires that I can't fully control. Sex is the paradoxical abnegation and fulfillment of the will.
I read a neuroscience study which found that during sexual arousal the parts of the brain associated with violence also activate, and, reading this struck me that this connection between violence and sex explains the sense of disapprobation we naturally have. Like shitting, there will always be something necessarily shameful about sex. Both due to its sheer gratuity and to the admission that we are not fully our own masters. And that is also why it excites. Sexual desire, despite being pleasurable, is also in a way self-denying, as it involves the suppression of reservation and moral reasoning.
I try to see it as a balance. There's a time to indulge, let off steam, and let go of self-restraint, but one should not lose control of yourself to your desires.
There's a time to indulge and enjoy yourself as well. And the person who tries to abstain from all enjoyment will neither succeed nor be happy. Since such a rigidity can't be maintained, and when he succumbs to his basic nature he will fall into despair.
Don't let your desires dominate you, but don't try to deny them altogether either.

>>21836541
ugly people should not to be allowed into hedonism