/lit/ - Literature

>>21777228
Last line is excellent. Really gives that bouncy imagery

>>21777228
Booba

>>21777228
because they don't

>>21777228
Broads have some nerve to complain; the romance genre is basically chapters upon chapters about muscular chest

>>21777234
How though? Even if they oversexualise them doesn’t mean the characterisation is unrealistic

who the fuck cares about what women say?

Because they read fanfiction.

>>21777238
But men do that in all genre

>>21777228
They do, women just don't find it flattering.

“Women are considered deep - why? Because one can never discover any bottom to them. Women are not even shallow. ”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

>>21777249
There was a Harry Potter thread that talked about how Harry Potter's third person view is always focused on Tom Riddle and Cedric Diggory's looks. That's just a popular example of a female writer projecting her own concerns on a male character

>>21777228
Entertainment literature, which some call genre fiction, when made for women is just a bottomless pit of extremely self-indulgent and infantilized retarded shit of a caliber that would make OP's paragraph seem passable. The hissy-fits they throw over this are just typical female neuroticism. They're reminded that men are constantly, at every second measuring them for the qualities they don't possess. Pudgy and mediocre and readers of fan-fiction, smelly femcels seethe that men live for the idealization of Stacies, and bemoan it through the socially acceptable vessel of "muh sexualization bad".

They pose superiority as if they are above the influence of such basal self-indulgences, but in reality they do them just as much if not worse in their harlequin romances and gaylord YA fiction, but can't cope with self-indulgence existing for others.

Remember this funny thing about women: Women are retards in general, but interestingly, the uglier and less socially apt, the more retarded a woman is.

>>21777228
Can women think of anything but being a lust object?

Tfw no gf to breast boobily

>>21777254
>one can never discover any bottom to them
Clearly this man never dated a Latina.
Hubba hubba

>>21777282
he fucked southern italian peasant girls if that counts.

>>21777284
At a brothel?
I thought Neech was an incel.

>>21777273
TL;DR I don’t have sex

>>21777299
two facts about yourself nobody asked you to volunteer

Women keep buying it so it mustn’t bother them that much.
They just like to complain.

>>21777228
The only male who could write women well was Bataille.

>>21777228
Because they want to see themself in an idealized way, any realistic depiction hurts them.

>>21777228
brain structure
same reason leftists can't get into right-wing mindset
and visa-versa

>>21777228
Because they never read Flaubert

>“But the flames did die down, perhaps from lack, perhaps from excess of fuel. Little by little, love was quenched by absence, and longing smothered by routine; and that fiery glow which tinged her pale sky scarlet grew more clouded, then gradually faded away. Her benumbed consciousness even led her to mistake aversion toward her husband for desire for her loved, the searing touch of hatred for the rekindling of love; but, as the storm still raged on and her passion burnt itself to ashes, no help came and no sun rose, the darkness of night closed in on every side, and she was left to drift in a bitter icy void.
So the bad days of Tostes began again. She believed herself much more unhappy, now, because she had experienced sorrow, and knew for certain that it would ever end.”

>>21777228
>Why do women say male writers don’t know how to write women?
Because there's some truth to it--although there are plenty of examples of men who could write women very convincingly. It is slightly annoying that they always cherry pick the worst examples to make fun of, though

>>21777261
I know Harry Potter is that faggy magic kid, but wtf is a Cedric?

a woman once told me i write women well

just write them as men then remove all reason and accountability

>>21777228
When women writers try to create the male characters, it always tips off. Always. Not that I dislike it, I really enyoyed main characters from Secret History and A Little Life, although they gave off a queer tinge. Maybe its just I'm a closet fag.

>>21777228
I think the only man I've ever read writing about women like that was GRRM

Women writing men

>His name was Jayroman Scythe. His massive frame stood at 6'5 with rippling broze muscles and glacially blue eyes that seemed to penetrate her deeper than any dildo ever could. He was a brute, and he was an angel. She knew that Jayroman wasn't merely a football captain jock (though he was in fact), that there was a tender soul locked behind his square jaw and flowing, silken dark hair. Jayroman loved to read Virginia Woolf, knew his way around postmodern feminist poetry, he was into macrame, he often visited gay bars, and once after intense lovemaking confided to her that he killed his own father, who was a republican, for cussing at a black man. Then he loved her again, this time in the ass, harder than any dildo could

>>21777228
>woman writing men writing women

>>21778575
>man writing women writing men

It’s a valid caricature of Hemingway

I just love boobs so much lads.

>>21777228
Women who read books are usually fat. When fat women see a hot woman, or read about one, or are reminded in any way that hot women exist, they immediately start seething and coping.

Also, women separate romantic and sexual relationships from other kinds of relationships with men. If a woman wants to have sex with you, that means she doesn't respect you as a friend, a teacher, a coworker, or whatever -- and vice versa. The concept of "the friendzone" gets a lot of attention but it's only one aspect of a larger truth about women. They have all kinds of "zones". This is important because it explains why women get mad about being "sexualized". They are projecting the fact that if they see a man sexually, it also means they don't respect him in any other way. They don't realize that men want to fuck all of their friends and coworkers all the time, or can't accept it, because they don't understand how the male brain works.

>>21778293
Diggory and Malfoy were the faggot wizard's rivals. They do not actually do anything to compete with the MC in a meaningful way the way rival characters have to do in fiction aimed at boys and their role is mostly limited to being described by the protagonist in homoerotic ways

>>21778575
Top kek

>>21777351
>>21778427
Based

>>21777228
I never got this complaint about men writing women because when women write women it almost always features even more physical descriptions, perhaps in a less sexualized manner, but still. Women struggle to write about anything besides their pussies and things revolving around their pussy.

>>21778569
Murakami is very much like this.

>>21777228
Gentlemen, why are women characters so annoying when written by women yet actually likable when written by men?

>>21778427
thanks jack

If anything, men who write women tend to drastically undersexualize them.

>>21777228
I pretty much exclusively write sexualized female characters. I actually put on videos from Playboy, Femjoy, MET-Art etc. and try to perfectly describe what I see, and come up with new ways to say how sexy a booba is.

>>21777276
that's like asking a square to be a circle, my friend. Do you understand mathematics?

>>21777228
Many male writers write women as if they possessed reason. A basic dilettante blunder.

>>21777228
>Why do women say male writers don’t know how to write women?
It's usually about more intimate details of a woman's anatomy many male authors get plain wrong. And then it's obvious.

Men who treat their women characters as male usually get a pass.

>>21779241
women characters are almost always shit, if written by women it's an obnoxious self insert fantasy, if written by men it's an obnoxious waifu fantasy
maybe gayfaggots can write them decently on account of lack of personal involvement in the matter

if only. there's sadly few books written in this marvelous venacular.

>>21779708
last ten books you read?

>>21777228
Because they only read trashy best sellers.

>>21777287
did he get syphilis from a fucking toilet seat?

>>21779174
I would like to disagree but I have only ever read 1 female fiction author.

>>21777245
But i thought most fanfic authors were women?

>>21779782
Paradise Lost books from 3 to 12

>>21777228
It's good doe

EHEM EHEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FbBkahoASg

GOTTEM

>>21777228
Because its true

>>21778671
based and insightful

>>21778293
Some chill popular Hufflepuff that gets iced by voldemort so Harry can grow as a person

reddit tier people always complain about this and then fail to provide a single example from a real book

>>21780542
uhm check out r/menwritingwomen chud we have many examples over there :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91gT68xeDMM

>>21777228
That's a dumb example. There's nothing about Cassandra's thoughts, personality, or behavior. Just a physical description and a basic action.

>>21777228
because OP pic is right and scrotes are nothing but sex-obsessed 70 IQ monkeys

scrotes should be denied education and enslaved into workcamps

>>21779328
>men who write women tend to drastically undersexualize them.
if your standard is pornography, perhaps

Nabakov wrote women well in Lolita.

>>21781181
women are all carbon copies of each other

>>21777228
Men write women about sexuality.
Women write men about dominance and submission. (not always about sexuality, but the idea of dominance and submission is sexuality.)

Both are very self indulgent.

>>21781193
Give one (1) example from a well-known male author who writes female characters like the OP

>>21781464
i bet it seems that way when you've only spoken to two women in your life

>>21781506
haruki murakami

>>21781540
>heh, this will get him.... i'll call him... an incel!
you've really proven me wrong by spouting all the same buzzwords as your sisters

>>21781506
grrm, stephen king

>>21781464
meanwhile moids are all, inside their skulls, just a carbon copy of their own penis

>>21781636
didn't know penises were so smart

>>21781181
You're a hole.

>>21777228
It's less about men being unable to write women and more that women cannot let men enjoy things.

>>21781181
>scrotes are nothing but sex-obsessed 70 IQ monkeys
yet with all that sexual obsession men still manage to contribute so much more to society than women. You'd think all that extra free time and brainpower, frigid women would do more than spend it thinking up justifications for why they hate men and getting upset by women hotter than them.

>>21781796
males are three holes, all of which endlessly spew excrement

>>21777273
You're trying way too hard, anon.

>>21781818
Nothing of value can come forth from a woman that a man didn't put in her

>>21781815
>look, the people we have kept enslaved for 99% of human existence have never outperformed us
>that proves our inherent superiority
grug-brained moids should be lucky their mothers didn't SIDS them in infancy, but fortunately for scrotes, women actually possess empathy and good natures, while the male claws endlessly and rages against its own creator in a state of reprobation

>>21781825
certainly nothing of value came forth from your mother's hole

>>21781828
>women actually possess empathy and good natures,
Women mistake their excessive desire to receive altruism for their piss poor ability to give it.
Women are all take and no give.
Every misandrist pig speaks the exact same. Blind flailing rage.

>>21781829
Whereas you sapped value out of the universe around you when you came out of yours

>>21781831
women aren't the ones obsessed with altruistic posturing to the point of producing thousands of volumes of verbose gibbering arguing about the minutiae of theoretical moral constructs

women were too busy feeding and clothing your ungrateful ass to keep you from dying, since lord knows a moid can't survive on his own without a woman around to wipe his ass for him

>>21781837
i sapped value out of the universe, thus adding that gained value to my own person? yes, indeed i did. you seem to not have accomplished this, nor much else

>>21781841
>women accusing anyone of "altruistic posturing"
>women accusing anyone of being "helpless"
You really need to live in opposite land to be a man-hater, don't you? 100% pure projection with no substance. You really are a human leech.

>>21781843
No you're just an endlessly consuming black hole of value. That's what it means—to be a hole

misandrists dedicate all their time to whining about how men are lazy stupid and terrible whilst said man do all the work to keep society running for them
there is not a single living creature more solipsistic than a woman

>>21777228
>Why do women say male writers don’t know how to write women?
Women are overly emotional and usually irrational. For hundreds of years men have been pretending they're complex and we don't understand them as a way to placate them and avoid arguments. Unfortunetly, this has fed their egos.

>>21780542
Throughout the entirety of Stephen King's It, every time it was in Beverly's perspective, it had to mention something about how her nipples felt against her shirt.
inb4 gangbang.

>>21778555
checked, based Donna Tartt enjoyer

>>21783153
>women are incapable of relating to phenomenal experience
as to be expected of the hylic gender

>>21777228
Tits (as well as hips, thighs and asses) are the greatest things about women and one should not feel bad over emphasizing them in his writing.
"She breasted bodily to the stairs and tittied downward" perfectly expresses the scene.

>>21784014
I love this picture because it is equal parts booba and comfy.

>>21777228
One instance I can see male getting women wrong is writing an angry female. Instead of ice they write fire. Women are less likely to show outward anger from the get go. Although there are some male writers who understand this like GRRM actually knew how to write female rage

>>21777228
Women like to think that they're complicated because they are incredibly insecure and morally inconsistent. But they are exactly the same as every other woman.

>>21784113
Have another comfy boobaesque picture, anon.

>>21779809
He didn’t have syphilis

>>21777254
There isn't a worse being in time and space to give his two cents about women

>>21778671
>If a woman wants to have sex with you, that means she doesn't respect you as a friend, a teacher, a coworker, or whatever
This couldn't be further from the truth

t. teacher who's currently fucking one of his students (adult)

>>21777282
I don't get it.

>>21785976
My arousal is alluding to her breasts if you know what I mean

>>21786213
this nigga finna become the whale

>>21777228
women can't read

>>21778635
I see that mental health institutions in Kazakhstan really help people.

>>21777228
Women are the ones who can't write. They just seethe over their own shallowness being exposed and pick a strawman idiot who didn't put any care into what was written. Proof? That post is terrible and written by a woman who put all her seethe into it.

>>21778293
some nigga that only exists for half a book but people pretend he was a major character.

>>21778575
Kino

>>21780670
>it's fucking real
Half the stuff they're complaining about on that reddit is not men writing women. It's men writing men looking at women.

>>21787834
I want Lolita but with a happy ending.

>>21777299
yeah, guys who never admit to how women operate get laid all the time. nice fantasy, roastie

>there are men in this thread who have fooled themselves into believing that they are women, and are getting offended on behalf of women, because they feel that they are obligated to defend their "own" gender
what exactly happened to the world...?

>>21788575
Mayas were right

>>21788575
The ideal tranny would hate women, and realise their superiority comes from being more of a man

>>21777254
kek

Also, what anon said. I agree some dudes take it too far with the tit shit but in terms of character depth and stuff like that, men write women better 99% of the time, just because women don't have the humility to really put their faults at the forefront like men usually do

>>21777273
got a good kek out of this. And that is something I hadn't thought of too much. The uglier men are the more they are forced to over compensate (e.g. becoming smarter, get money, etc.) The uglier a woman is the more likely she's rates herself as a 10/10 while being incredibly arrogant

>>21786007
He banged italian whores and his circle knew so they made fun of him. Don't remember the source but I think it was pretty reliable

>>21778575
kek. good stuff

>>21787834
Awfully and horribly based

>>21780542
Murakami gets a lot of flack for it.
From "Drive My Car":
>She was about five foot five, not at all fat but broad shouldered and powerfully built... Beneath the white long-sleeved T-shirt under her jacket Kafuku could see her larger-than-average breasts.

>>21785976
why are french books so ugly bros

>>21787921
illiterates don't understand the difference between character and author

>>21780542
i noticed the russian short story writer isaac babel doing it a fair amount. guy likes his tits
very good author btw

>Chad woke up to the rays of the sun highlighting his trained, panther-like muscles. He flexed, beads of sweat rolling down his back as he stood to greet the sunrise. Putting on sweatpants, his wood bulged agressively through the crotch of the fabric. He cocked penisly to the stairs, and dicked downwards."
This excerpt is not sexualization but actually male power fantasy and at the same time closeted homoeroticism, both of which are cases of extreme misogyny.
t. feminist book reviewer.

>>21789988
It's ridiculous how anything that appreciates the male form is considered homoerotic now. No, perfection is just nice to look at, just like blue skies and clear waters on a sunny day.

>>21787922
Well, maybe not necessarily a 'happy' ending, but just deciding abruptly for her to die in childbirth at the end is quite unfitting and it would have been better and more fitting for her to just end up continuing on living while Humbert is fucked over is prison.

I've only ever read one female author, and that was Rowling when I was a kid.

Could someone -maybe a femanon?- recommend me something written by a female author that is an honest reflection of "typical" female psyche? At least a literate and educated female psyche?

>>21789988
>if you do it to a woman, it's objectification!
>if you do it to a man, it's a male power fantasy!
feminism is proof literacy is wasted on women