/lit/ - Literature

>>21733868
Okay

>>21733868
He's the last incarnation of Dionysus.

He’s the sort of man that brings ruin to Europe with his profound arrogance combined with his destructive insecurities.

>>21733884
He could've been more honest. At times he is full of shit. If you're half Nietzsche half Wagner you're on your way to something.

>>21733868
He pales in comparison with the Master.

>>21733868
>>21733884
>>21733903
nonces

>>21733905
Who the fuck is that?

>>21733902
Are you a priest?

>>21733912
You are.

>>21733868
I don't even know who this is

>>21734143
Found the nigger.

>le identitarian /pol/tard
You’re the same as Jamal who jerks off to blackamoors in Marvel movies because of muh representation.

>>21734215
You can't help what culture you grow up in. If you grew up with something as cucked as Christianity you need to learn to love it somehow because it's a part of you. Wagner is the answer.

>>21734345
It's not that Christianity is in itself weak but that weak people attach to it. It takes a special kind of strength to break away while keeping its positive aspects.

>>21733868
You can try making this thread again in three days.

>>21733905
It's the opposite. George comes out of the Symbolists who were dominated by Wagner's influence, and never really exceeded him. George picked up Mallarme's ideas, which were formed in response to Wagner's challenge to poetry, and developed them in his own way. His adoration of the 'word' is unimaginable except in the context late 19th century aesthetics. He wrote a lot of poems on Wagnerian topics when he was younger like Litanei and Algabal.

>>21733868
I don't like Wagner because he got a cutie such as Cosima. He was ugly as fuck holy shit. By the way, he was born in a Jewish headquarter, was he Jewish by any chance?

>>21734433
He was German.

>>21734439
>Richard Wagner was born to an ethnic German family in Leipzig, who lived at No 3, the Brühl (The House of the Red and White Lions) in the Jewish quarter on 22 May 1813.

>>21734533
You realise Jewish quarters weren't only for Jews right? Neither of his parents were born in Jewish quarters and no Jewish ancestry can be found.

>>21734422
Someone who actually knows his George on /lit/ · rare and checked.

>>21733903
>If you're half Nietzsche half Wagner you're on your way to something.

>>21734596
He was a full on pessimist. Schopenhauer was his daddy.

>>21733868
>Wagner
>Affirming Christianity
Hans von Bülow begs to differ.
In 1851, he became a student of Liszt, marrying his daughter Cosima in 1857. They had two daughters: Daniela, born in 1860, and Blandina, born in 1863.In 1864 he became the Hofkapellmeister in Munich, and it was at this post he achieved his principal renown. He conducted the premieres of two Wagner operas, Tristan und Isolde and Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg, in 1865 and 1868 respectively; both were immensely successful. Meanwhile, however, Cosima had been carrying on an affair with Richard Wagner and gave birth to their daughter Isolde in 1865. Two years later, they had another daughter, Eva. Although Cosima and Wagner's affair was now open knowledge, Bülow still refused to grant his wife a divorce. It was only when she gave birth to a third child, Siegfried, that the conductor at last relented. Their divorce was finalized in 1870, after which Cosima and Wagner married. Bülow never spoke to Wagner again, and he did not see his former wife for 11 years afterwards. However, he apparently continued to respect the composer on a professional level, as he still conducted his works and mourned Wagner's death in 1883.

>>21733868
Wagner walked so this lil nigga could run

>>21733905
mirin jawline

>>21733868
music is fine but just not amazing. he's no mahler

>>21734622
>I know from what Von Bülow himself told me that he accepted philosophically the trouble between himself and his wife Cosima Liszt, and her subsequent marriage to Wagner. Soon after he arrived in New York, in 1876, I called on him, and during our conversation I broached the subject in a tentative way. I was not sure that his feelings toward Wagner were not so hostile that mention of the Bayreuth master would have to be avoided, and I thought it just as well to arrive immediately at a clear understanding of the matter.

>"Bülow," I said, "you will excuse me if I touch on a rather delicate subject. Of course your friends abroad know just what your present attitude is toward Wagner; but over here we know little or nothing about it. Perhaps you would like to enlighten me. I hope, however, I have not touched on a painful subject."

>"Not at all," he exclaimed. "What happened was the most natural thing in the world. You know what a wonderful woman Cosima is—such intellect, such energy, such ambition, which she naturally inherits from her father. I was entirely too small a personality for her. She required a colossal genius like Wagner's, and he needed the sympathy and inspiration of an intellectual and artistic woman like Cosima. That they should have come together eventually was inevitable."

>>21734624
>>21734659
Mahler's only good work is his 10th; where he emphatically rejects all his life decisions.

>>21734624
>>21734659
Mahler thought Wagner was the greatest composer after Beethoven. If you disagree you don't understand his music.

>>21733868
Favourite Wagner scene? For me it's the writing of the master song:

https://youtu.be/PsHtqVTJ_6k?t=1364

>>21734659
Mahler wouldn't be mahler without Wagner. Half his 5th is just a melting pot of Wagner's preludes and overtures.

>>21734206
According to OP the man I don't know is also a nigger,

>>21734804
Parsifal's transformation music is beaten by nothing. Nothing. The very peak of Music.

>>21736020
I would say the entire first Grail Temple scene from the transformation music to the end of the act is perfect. Dramatically, pictorially, poetically, religiously, everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxIk5QbAULc

It's unfortunate that no modern productions even attempt to represent the transformation music as impressively as Wagner did.

>Parsifal contains a number of special effects, such as the suspension of the Spear in the second act and the scenes of transformation between the forest and the temple in the outer acts. For the latter in the first production of Parsifal, the composer decided that a backdrop on rollers, the Wandeldekoration, should move across the stage, producing the illusion that the figures on stage were moving. The Wandeldekoration covered an area of more than 2500 square metres, weighed some 700 kilograms and cost 17,694 marks.

>>21733868
Okay.

>>21736076
I showed it to a friend of mine today, and she was immediately affected by it, amazed by what she was hearing. There is something very special about Parsifal and the appearance of the grail.

>>21736076
>>21736921
Are you two boomers and was that friend your nursing home friend?

>>21736921
It's Wagner at the peak of his powers. He strained for a greater restraint and clarity in the orchestration, modulation and motive-shaping than ever before.

>Over coffee he tells me about his work: “Sometimes it is just a few bars which hold one up terribly, till one can introduce the key one needs in such a way that it is not noticeable. For more and more I shy away from anything with a startling or blatant effect; then at least four or five possibilities occur to me before I find the one which makes the transition smoothly; I set traps for myself, commit all sorts of stupidities before I discover it.” I say it must be something like the way great painters such as Titian and Leonardo [da Vinci] chose colors to avoid crude contrasts. “Oh,” he says, “painters are fortunate, they have so much time, but you are right, it is something like Titian’s coloring I am seeking.” Then he mentions Mozart and the aria played yesterday: “The poor fellow, with his broad nose and a mouth (so it’s said) literally like a pig’s snout, he had a real feeling for beauty! I’m only now learning to appreciate him fully."

WILL PEOPLE ON THIS FUCKING BOARD PLEASE, P L E A S E STOP FUCKING SAYING NIGGER, WITHOUT INVITING ME?

>>21733868
LARPmaxxing cunt

>>21734143
why the fuck are you on this board

My bible.

>>21738976
Hey anon wanna say nigger with me

>>21737615
We're both in our 20s.