/lit/ - Literature

>>21677474
The Satanic Verses

>>21677474
The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie
Why I Am Not A Muslim by Ibn Warraq

>>21677474
The Truth About Muhammad
A History Of Jihad From Muhammad To ISIS
Quran with commentary by Robert Spencer

>>21677474
ibm and the holocaust

>“He (Mohammed) seduced the people by promises of carnal pleasure to which the concupiscence of the flesh urges us. His teaching also contained precepts that were in conformity with his promises, and he gave free rein to carnal pleasure. In all this, as is not unexpected; he was obeyed by carnal men.

>As for proofs of the truth of his doctrine, he brought forward only such as could be grasped by the natural ability of anyone with a very modest wisdom. Indeed, the truths that he taught he mingled with many fables and with doctrines of the greatest falsity.


>He did not bring forth any signs produced in a supernatural way, which alone fittingly gives witness to divine inspiration; for a visible action that can be only divine reveals an invisibly inspired teacher of truth. On the Contrary, Mohammed said that he was sent in the power of his arms – which are signs not lacking even to robbers and tyrants.

>What is more, no wise men, men trained in things divine and human, believed in him from the beginning (1). Those who believed in him were brutal men and desert wanderers, utterly ignorant of all divine teaching, through whose numbers Mohammed forced others to become his follower’s by the violence of his arms.

>Nor do divine pronouncements on part of preceding prophets offer him any witness. On the contrary, he perverts almost all the testimony of the Old and the New Testaments by making them into a fabrication of his own, as can be seen by anyone who examines his law.


>It was, therefore, a shrewd decision on his part to forbid his followers to read the Old and New Testaments, lest these books convict him of falsity. It is thus clear that those who place faith in his words believe foolishly.

>Summa Contra Gentiles, Book 1, Chapter 16, Art. 4. Footnote: 1. Sura 21:5, Sura 44:14; Sura 16:103, Sura 37:36

>>21677486
Thanks for giving a serious answer.

>>21677474
Submission

>>21677474
No god but God by Reza Aslan.
Good book that’s helps outline cultural context of the pre-Islamic Arabia, Muhammad’s life, struggles with succession following his death and some commentary on particular topics within Islam. From what I can gather, the books has a slight bias towards Shia Islam but it doesn’t colour it too much. As someone who knew fuck all about Islam as a movement outside of the Qur’an, it was a helpful stepping stone.

Does Orhan Pamuk count? I really liked My Name Is Red.

Divine flashes - fakhruddin

The Meccan Revelations and The Bezels of Wisdom by Ibn Arabi

>>21677474
was going to suggest seven pillars of wisdom
>This was the first and last time I ever prayed in Arabia as a Moslem.

>>21678329
Correct analysis based in the data he had, incorrect in light of modern achievements.

>>21680586
>Achievements
Meant to type advencements.

Tom Holland - In the Shadow of the Sword

>>21678329
oof

>>21678383
Seriously, idiot?

>>21679110
This one does indeed seem to be quite "up there".

>>21677474
I think Cat in the Hat is probably right at the average Muslim reading level

>>21677474
The road to mecca and Islam between the east and west are good ones

>>21677474
This thread was pointless before I came in. Assalamualaikum.

>Muqaddima, Ibn Khaldun
>Introduction to the Science of Hadith, Ibn Al-Salah
>40 Hadith Qudsi, Sunan Ibn Majah, Shamail Muhammadiyya
>Mafatih Al-Ghayb, Al-Razi
>Tahafut al-Falasifa, Al-Ghazali
>Kitab al-din wa dawla, Ali ibn Rabban Al-Tabari
>Al-Jawab Al-Sahih, Ibn Taymiyya
>Tawq Al-Hamama, Ibn Hazm
>Reign of Quantity, Abd Al-Wahid Yahya

>>21678329
This post has proven the incompetence of this fat "philosopher". it seems to me that only protestants, unbound from the theological autism and blind acceptance of catholicism, truly analyzed islam and the origins of christianity thoroughly and i find more affinity with the protestants who do not worship idols at least.

The Book of Sufi Chivalry
Ihya Ulum al-Din
Al Bidayah fi Usul al-Din [An Introduction to Islamic Theology]
Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources

>>21680591
Such as? Aisha being 9?

>>21681899
>This post has proven the incompetence of this fat "philosopher
How is he incompetent?

>>21682407
lmao lots of Aquinas' work is retarded, this is why the Orthodox are always dunking on thomists these days.

>>21679122
based

>>21681899
Nope. Everything he said is right. If Mohammed was sent by God he should've shown good moral fruit but evidently he was a liar, a murderer, pedophile, and a warmonger. And its also true that most of mohammed's followers were converted arab pagans who were violent to begin with. Its also true that Mohammed perverted the old and new testament texts. Tell me why I should believe that this guy's testimony is more accurate 500 years after Christ's death? Makes no sense.

>>21679122
I love intra-muslim arguments about this book because the argument boils down to
>uh these book was compiled from reports 2 and 3 centuries after Ali so it's not legitimate
It's funny because the same thing applies to hadith in general. It really goes to show you the hypocrisy

>>21682403
Abu Bakr already engaged her to some pagan degenerate, he just switched her engagement to Mo (pbuh).

>Sorry boys Fatima is too young to marry
>*quickly marries her off to his cousin*
>4 wives? Meh I can marry as many as I want
>Ali wants to marry another woman as is his right by divine quranic law. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT WOULD MAKE MY DAUGHTERINO JEALOUS

>In the modern world, the traditional Sunni and Shia idea of saints has been challenged by puritanical and revivalist Islamic movements such as the Salafi movement, Wahhabism, and Islamic Modernism, all three of which have, to a greater or lesser degree, "formed a front against the veneration and theory of saints".[1]

That's sad, what are some texts defending Saint veneration.

Modernist Islam is like Calvinism, dry autism.

>>21682759
>traditional Sunni
never a thing you retard. Any saint veneration was remnant shia influence. Sufis emerged in a time period when shia powers ruled the islamic world. Their ideas and practices are lifted from the shia. The Salafis are correct in this instance. Any Sunni who believes in saint veneration is compromised

>>21682770
Tasawwuf is a main pillar of Sunni Islam
, keep coping.

>>21682784
It's a 10 century innovation

>>21682821
The bayah is in the quran, cope

>>21682878
>cope
Always a sign of a retard having no argument. You can be a sufi or whatever nonsense but don't pretend it's historical

>>21682821
cope
what is the hadith of jibreel?

also I'm thinking of doing a Masters in Islamic Lit. t. Undergrad in Religious Studies

>>21682890
There were no sufis before the 10th century. Keep deluding yourselves

>>21682889
>Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they pledged Bay'ah to you, O Prophet beneath the tree. He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down serenity upon them and rewarded them with the victory by hand.
~Quran 48:18

There, Bayah in the Quran, do you know what you won't find in it? Ahadith.

-THE KITE RUNNER
-SKIN IN THE GAME
-BLACK SWAN
-ANTIFRAGILE

Just skip the normie shit and go straight to Milestones from Sayyid Qutb

>>21682527
>a liar
you only assume this
>a murderer
muhammad never murdered anyone and no, killing in war doesn't count, you lobotomized liberal.
>pedophile
no Christian before anno 1800 considered this immoral.
>a warmonger
war is glorious, i wouldn't expect a westerner to understand.

>arab pagans
if you or aquinas knew anything about islam, you'd know that a great deal of his followers were Jews and Christians from Yathrib, and the first person to recognize his prophethood was a priest named Waraqa.
>who were violent to begin with
It seems you have attained this knowledge from the unseen, that which no other scholar, muslim or otherwise, has never knew or heard of before. please enlighten us!

>perverted the old and new testament texts.
could say the same thing with christians! through shoddy interpretation and theological cope, the christians have blasphemed against scripture by asserting that the Tanakh promotes ritual human sacrifice, theophagy and blood drinking which is wholly against the sacred law of Moses. inb4 abrogation of the law, Paul the Persecutor does not have the authority to dismiss the law and this is a theological matter, Christian theology completely opposes Jewish theology.

>Tell me why I should believe that this guy's testimony is more accurate 500 years after Christ's death
"Tell me why should I believe some whore's son born 300 years after Malachi?" says the Jew. You're all the same.

>>21682941
>an oath of alliegience is a sign of sufism
Peak stupidy

>>21682784
you're a retarded zoomer

bump

>>21682755
>Fatima is too young to marry
but Ali was about the same age as her, so it's a good match

>>21683262
Made me laugh but I can see how he took off in light of U.S. imperialism.

>>21683546
Salafi cope.

>>21683522
It's a sufi tradition explicitly mentioned, I don't see any salafi "tradition" (more like lack thereof) anywhere in the Quran

>>21682921
Junayd baghdadi lived in the 9th century, also yes they certainly did, the tradition just presented itself differently from what it is now; see silsila

>>21683522
>Verily, those who give Bay'ah to you O Muhammad, are giving Bay'âh to Allâh. The Hand of Allâh is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm, and whosoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allâh, He will bestow on him a great reward. — [Translation of Quran, 48:10Verily, those who give Bay'âh (pledge) to you (O Muhammad) they are giving Bay'âh (pledge) to Allâh. The Hand of Allâh is over their hands. Then whosoever breaks his pledge, breaks it only to his own harm, and whosoever fulfils what he has covenanted with Allâh, He will bestow on him a great reward.
~Quran, 48:10

It's pretty blatantly embracing the spiritual authority of Qutbs, though I don't see anything mentioning Ahadith ever, anywhere.

>>21682450
>>21682719
Thanks. My dad is Shia and then converted my Sunni mom. (He's a narcissist so he has "superpowers", that's beside the point.) But looking at the facts, even though both sides have points, I can't believe Sunni are the majority. Sunni are low IQ in Islamic matters compared to Shia. Shia use Sunni's own lauded books against them but it doesn't matter. I'm not even religious by the way.

>>21685195
What's the proper term for Saint intercession in Shiism?

>>21685223
Tawassul? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawassul#Shia_perspective
I'm a certified noob so bear with me. Look up Du'a Kumayl while you're at it. But if you want solid guidance call up any local Shia mosque. They'll answer your questions no problem.

>>21685272
Thanks! That's what I was looking for. I'm a Christian with a deel respect for Islam.

>>21685454
not him but glad nonetheless to hear you're one of the good ones

>>21684646
Its his hypocrisy considering he married aisha

>>21685513
Aisha already hit puberty but Fatima only did later on, its how adulthood is determined by Muslims I think

>>21685454
My pleasure. I'm always inspired by people who have an incessant hunger for knowledge. Cheers senpai.

>>21677480
>>21677482
>>21677486
Based

>>21685564
Puberty at 9 in a pre-industrial culture? Keep drinking that kool-aid.

>>21685601
You're obviously biased, I'm literally going off the the same hadiths by the same narrator as you

>>21685595
i'm trans btw

>>21685712
you're a trans muslim? embarrassing.

>>21685794
Im trans too btw