/lit/ - Literature

Why write sentences that utilize words with more than 5 syllables?

>>21604859
>Why write with words over five syllables
ftfy

Thank you to those who left feedback, and thank you to the anon who messaged me. It meant a lot.


P1:
> micz.substack.com/p/teachers-pet
P2:
> micz.substack.com/p/chalk-vandals

I’m thinking about taking a couple of these to one of my local independent bookstores and seeing if they’ll sell them consignment or something. Have any anons attempted anything like that successfully?
Also want to donate at least one copy to the library where maybe an HBO producer’s son will pick it up and read it then tell his dad to option it for a miniseries

>>21605053
Try it and let us know. I want to try opening a small stall at the farmers market and see if I can sell 10 copies

What story feels like it has the most legs for a 50k-70k novel?

1. A girl that is stuck in a timeloop but she doesn't know why. She later finds out her dad is the one wishing to relive the past because that was when he was the happiest. In order to break out of the time loop she must destroy her dad's happiness.

2. An assassin travels living during the 1500's Mediterranean travels around and tries to find a passage to the new world. During his travels he mocks God wondering why God would allow him to continue to kill. He wonders about life, existence, and morality as he travels from Constinople to Angola to Rome.

Is it bad to if a lot of characters cry in my novel? The story frequently features their love ones being threatened, and occasionally tortured and killed. The main heroes are also on the younger side, so they have don't have a complete grasp of their emotions.

>writing a chapter where one character is moving out of town and gives one of the POV characters two items that will be of importance later on in the plot
>chapter is set in the leaving character's apartment, it's a going-away party
>a sleazy guy starts coming on to the POV character's girlfriend
>she stomps his balls, he leaves and she's so turned on by her violent outburst she starts making out with her boyfriend with everyone watching and grabs him by the hair when he tries to pull away
And then I fapped and the chapter isn't finished

Could somebody explain the word "parochialism" for me? My Google searches don't really help me out with that. I see it used in my researches about Eastern European countries' aversion to refugees during the migrant crisis in 2015/16.
Is it just another word for "right-wing nationalism"? At least from the context, that's what I would get from it somehow.

how do you niggas find purpose in writing? don't you want to do something real in life? i get writing about your purpose through living it but i don't get writing as a purpose. mediums strike me as being little holidays of meaning and purpose that you escape too for 2 hours.
but i'll be damned if that's enough to sustain a someone or other through the really hard times in life. half of artists are drinkers and druggies because its nearly impossible to find true purpose as the artist producing.
thought experiment: what is that one thing you could do in life that is both aspirational and purposeful whilst being enough to make you never want to touch a drug or drink at all no matter how bad things get in your life?

>>21605481
That's called isolationism.

>>21605483
you could've spent your time and energy writing prose instead of a shitpost

>>21605483
>thought experiment: what is that one thing you could do in life that is both aspirational and purposeful whilst being enough to make you never want to touch a drug or drink at all no matter how bad things get in your life?
Teaching? I can see being a teacher. Give out a worksheet for 5 hours, get off at 3-4, write an hour. And you have all those weekly breaks to focus writing full time.

>>21605485
But the word "parochialism" is being used. I want to understand that. Or do you mean that parochialism is basically isolationism?

>>21605490
you're not motivated to really pursue that. is teaching something that no matter how bad life gets for you, you'd still brush it off because you find it so meaningful? there are levels to purpose, i want to know what is that highest aspiration of yours which would also align with your values? do you really think that living in hell you'd still be happy writing on the side of a teaching job?

what is your DEEPEST value? the DEFINING value of yours? do share if your willing.

>>21605491
In your context it would be. To not accept the views of new comers. If you're looking for people that are narrow minded to the point where other views aren't tolerated, that would be tyrannical communism

>>21605514
Sure. Why not.

>>21604754
>thread theme
OP is a faggot

>>21605545
what is your defining value? the one that sets you apart? not just "be helpful and good" but something far more autistic like "fixing the problem of _______ for this target group ______ to stop them from _________ and to help them __________ as ....." ....
something like that.

>>21605565
JKs and pleasure.

>>21605334
Its not bad at all. People cry all the time. Sometimes alone, sometimes in front of others.

>>21605481
parochial means 'concerning a parish', so it has developed connotations of narrow-mindedness, not thinking broadly, etc.

>>21605565
Tits are life, ass is soul.
Place them on a young girl
There is no higher beauty
Truth of God's existence

>>21605334
men don't show emotions, men don't appreciate reading emotions. try to keep it saved for actually sad moments like losing a combat veteran in war or something.

i cringe and skip past anything that involves shmaltzy emotional stuff.

>>21605573
do you really care about that group (women) at a deep level, would you die on the cross for giving women the most exquisite breast implants? seriously, would you die on the cross pursuing the necessary qualifications to do that (assuming you aren't barred from practice for flying to close the sun)

>>21605568
i don't know what that is but its far too vague sounding.

whence he foiled, like malleable but like sharp too, so like a foil so thin he can make a mask yet the edges of said mask hithertoo cut into his head from whence its situe eat.

translation: metaphor where a mask is made of thin metal and it conforms to the shape of the face with high level of detail preserved but its edges eat into his skin making him bleed and causing degradation of the ration between bone and tissue, the equiliberia father to the masque of situe.

>>21605579
We men have fought wars to obtain women. Nothing is as pure as the raw carnal emotion known as breeding with a beautiful woman.

To act is not the expression. Love
is not found in deed, nor in word.
Love is not what is, but what could be. To
love is to hope, to dream, to take, and to
surrender. Being loved will consume
what you are. It will devour you whole,
so that you are no longer yourself, but
something better. Be consumed. Let the
past go, so that the future might live.
Be consumed | Let yourself be changed.

>>21605622
if a genie were to give you 7 million dollaroonies but said you can never provide women with magnificent breasts through surgery, would you take the 7 million dollaroonies?

try to be deep about this, think about something really specific that you believe you might be the only person on earth to hold as a value, and think about how you can filter it through high and healthy aspirations to make a success of your life. look at the constraints, devise levels of purpose, 4 level system is good, topmost being the thing that's super extremely ambitious that also venn style overlaps with your most individualistic value.

it HAS to be your MOST deeply held value, because that is the only thing that will see you through the really hard times.
sure everyone likes a good titty but would it stop you from falling into a hole?

>>21605338
>responds to verbal advances with extreme sexual violence
>has an OJ simpson level, 'this is where my babies come from' outburst
>I presume everybody claps, after
I suppose it is fiction

>>21605647
No, it's
>responds to sexual advances with unwarranted violence
>is so aroused by her violence that she forces herself on a poor thick shounen MC -tier dense protagonist-kun
>everyone goes kyaaaaa
It's anime af, the writer should khs

>>21605639
>you can never provide women with magnificent breasts through surgery
>surgery
fake tits ain't real tits

>>21605481
Parochial and provincial refer to the attitudes of rural or small town people. The opposite of cosmopolitan. Ignorant with no well-formed ideology, just gut reactions against anything new or strange.

>>21605661
then think more about possibilities and options, i want to go to the moon to find cheese but its not going to happen.

think about how you can translate your value into something that's possible under whatever constraints that exist in your life.

>>21605639
No. Because like all men of taste, I am a flat chest connoisseur. Imagine having 7 million dollarinos, but not a family to spend it on. There is nothing as soulless as a chase for material goods. But if a cute young wife, cute daughter, strong son were to accompany you in your journey through life, there can be no higher elation or honor. A feeling that could only be described as being close to the creator and such blessed with the same gift of creation that you give to your own offspring. God gave life to us, and thus the ultimate good must be to give life to another.

I wrote a fun novella to get my chops that's somewhat derivative, in vein of PKD, and it would be cool if some of you guys read it. It's about an assassination attempt on the king of the world by an anglo terrorist and a big humanoid chicken, taking place on a space station just outside the earth's atmosphere.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/62548/king-khalid-and-his-magic-hookah-a-futuristic

>>21605674
would you die on the cross (so to speak) for the pursuit of this? are you pursuing it now?

>>21605709
Of course. Who wouldn't die for their family? I know many who have and many more who will. And life has always been a pursuit for a cute girl to breed with. That is the truth. Not some platitudes of higher discovery or knowledge. It has always been and always will be to slide your cock into tight young pussy.

The earlier you realize man's greatest accomplishment, desire for all else disappears and doesn't matter.

>>21605733
well that's good, i'm not about to critique family values, if that's is your highest purpose and you believe you cannot conceive of anything exceeding its aspirational position at the top then all power to you.
to know if you are lying to yourself:
ask yourself if you have any addictions, and ask yourself why (if) you feel the need to really force yourself to pursue it.
if its effortless to motivate yourself and you have no addiction or a temptation to cave in to something that would impede progress towards your purpose under the all-encompassing weight of lifes suffering then you are on the right track.

>>21605763
Let's take your argument. Let's assume I write a book with all worldly pursuits to which there will be no equal, but die alone. What use of my work would there be? But if I had a cute wife to gift it to, then I have achieved a greatness far superior to that of isolation and darkness. A gift that provides and nurtures. That single book would be passed down, a living legacy to a bloodline and provides them forevermore. The very definition of a Man.

>>21604295
because I allow much more leeway for great writers then I allow for randos on an internet forum
its called street cred

I just need an unusual idea for a short story. Anything.

>>21605830
an autistic man realises he has no soul

>>21605830
A man eats a KitKat and ponders if his money was better spent on a Twix instead.

>>21605106
This is also a great idea.

>>21605830
Small time remodel contractor finds a dead Mexican encased in concrete between two studs while he’s tearing out a basement shower

>>21605830
There's a map for hidden pirate treasure hidden inside the casing of a VHS tape, hijinks ensue

>>21605830
Professor explaining to a sexy girl the difference between minute and minute.

>>21605889
Minute hands and minute bodies

>>21605889
A minute of sex with her minute body.

/wg/ horny today

>>21605960
Just me.

>>21605319
First one. Sounds like a Max Barry novel.

>>21604908
Quite good. I especially like the endings.

>>21604754
I’m trying to come up with interesting traits and breath weapons for a variety of different types of elemental dragons, can anyone help me please? I mean, Fire dragons are pretty easy, but what about Earth dragons? Or a breath weapon for Water dragons that isn’t an oversized super squirter? To say nothing about dragons of more abstract elements, like Light or Darkness, Order or Chaos, etc.

>>21606415
Earth - super tough skin - looks like a t rex
Water - swim and breathe underwater has flippers
Lightning - small and fast, has 10 legs - can fly with feathers
Dark - Carrion feeders and groups together
Light - weakest but domesticated
Wood - small sprite like that are suitable for pets

>>21606415
earth, poison gas
water, frost
dark, acid
light, lightning

>>21604754
is that thing smoking out of a bong? that's fucking crazy

>write book
>alpha readers from my workshop critique it
>rewrite book
>sit on it
>compare my rewrite to the comments
>it SEEMS like I fixed everything but it's now so different I need another wave of beta readers
I am straight up blind to my issues right now.

>>21606460
why'd you think you wouldn't need more beta readers after a rewrite?

https://voca.ro/1hjUj66BLrV8

I have a vague idea to write a fantasy with a Harry Potter style magic academy but written from the perspective of a grumpy teacher. The kids do formulaic 'main character' sorts of things, mostly off screen, which causes the teacher no end of trouble. The rest of the story would be office politics between school faculty and securing research grants and things like that.

But I need ideas for conflict. What would petty, irritable, magic professors get up to?

(Also, I've never actually read a HP book.)

>>21606630
Wonder how they can fuck the hot underaged girl

>>21606630
that sounds fun. there's a relatively short, famous book called Lucky Jim that touches on what you may want to do. obviously it's not at a magic school, but the MC is a professor that is trying to get tenure and his fiance - that he isn't exactly head over heals for - is his department head's daughter. so he has to keep his toes in line and keep her happy if he wants tenure. at the end of the book he has to give a history lecture on a subject he's barely interested in.

the sort of petty bickering of professors can become larger than life precisely because the people involved are typically very self important people fighting over what is usually very small stakes. so everything can spiral out of control.

for your book you should have big stakes and small ones. the big ones may be that he wants tenure, or that he wants one of a limited number of grants, or he wants to get permission to go on a "field trip" to secure some other things he wants, or maybe he's trying to muscle his way into a noble title or get a bigger piece of a will or something.

then you can have all the petty bullshit they do to each other. stealing spell components or final products, sabotaging each others lectures, taking the last piece of cake at dinner, trading favors to avoid responsibilities. as far as students there's always dumb students making messes, others that want faculty recommendations for internships and employment, ones that need faculty advisors for their dumbfuck schools clubs, and the children of wealthy noble ones that make his life hell because he has to walk on eggshells to discipline them.

you could also add an adult component to the book, but that's up to you.

Do you indent with TAB or indent with 5 spaces?

>>21606775
do whatever you want

>>21606695
>book called Lucky Jim
Thanks for the rec. I'll check it out.
>>21606695
>you should have big stakes and small ones.
I was thinking for the big stakes there would be some sort of magical mystery that the kids uncover and that the teacher keeps trying to keep them out of. And the petty office stuff would be a comical counterpoint. Like the dark lord is reviving and this guy is jockeying for a bigger office.

>>21606775
Not I.

>>21606795
is reddit spacing the most preferable now?

>>21605053
Write.

>>21606578
I figured I would need more I just thought I would have more certainty in whether I fixed the issues

>>21606838
I’m enjoying a temporary vacation period since finishing my novel, but yes I agree I must get back on the horse soon.

How you like the opening to my novel lit?
Marianne answers the door when Connell rings the bell. She’s still wearing her school uniform, but she’s taken off the sweater, so it’s just the blouse and skirt, and she has no shoes on, only tights.
Oh, hey, he says.
Come on in.
She turns and walks down the hall. He follows her, closing the door behind him. Down a few steps in the kitchen, his mother Lorraine is peeling off a pair of rubber gloves. Marianne hops onto the countertop and picks up an open jar of chocolate spread, in which she has left a teaspoon.
Marianne was telling me you got your mock results today, Lorraine says.
We got English back, he says. They come back separately. Do you want to head on?
Lorraine folds the rubber gloves up neatly and replaces them below the sink. Then she starts unclipping her hair. To Connell this seems like something she could accomplish in the car.
And I hear you did very well, she says.
He was top of the class, says Marianne.
Right, Connell says. Marianne did pretty good too. Can we go?
Lorraine pauses in the untying of her apron.
I didn’t realise we were in a rush, she says.
He puts his hands in his pockets and suppresses an irritable sigh, but suppresses it with an audible intake of breath, so that it still sounds like a sigh.
I just have to pop up and take a load out of the dryer, says Lorraine. And then we’ll be off. Okay?
He says nothing, merely hanging his head while Lorraine leaves the room.
Do you want some of this? Marianne says.
She’s holding out the jar of chocolate spread. He presses his hands down slightly further into his pockets, as if trying to store his entire body in his pockets all at once.
No, thanks, he says.
Did you get your French results today?
Yesterday.
He puts his back against the fridge and watches her lick the spoon. In school he and Marianne affect not to know each other. People know that Marianne lives in the white mansion with the driveway and that Connell’s mother is a cleaner, but no one knows of the special relationship between these facts.
I got an A1, he says. What did you get in German?
An A1, she says. Are you bragging?
You’re going to get six hundred, are you?
She shrugs. You probably will, she says.
Well, you’re smarter than me.
Don’t feel bad. I’m smarter than everyone.
Marianne is grinning now. She exercises an open contempt for people in school. She has no friends and spends her lunchtimes alone reading novels. A lot of people really hate her. Her father died when she was thirteen and Connell has heard she has a mental illness now or something. It’s true she is the smartest person in school. He dreads being left alone with her like this, but he also finds himself fantasising about things he could say to impress her.

>>21605053
I donated a copy of my novel to my local library.
I really should go back & see if it's even on the shelf.
I fear they threw it in the trash 5 seconds after I left.

>>21606415
How about a neckbeard dragon with deadly bad breath?
Maybe a male-to-dragon trans?

>>21606775
I indent using the "paragraph" style of my word processor.
5 spaces vs. tab? Really?

>>21605830
Two house cats debate philosophy.

>>21606815
For screens, yeah. But you can format spaces between paragraphs instead of manually spacing. Unless you write in notepad++ like some kind of maniac, that is.

>>21605830
nazi falls in love with a jewish prostitute

>>21606887
>name did something banal when name did something banal
Horrible first line.
>x, but x, so x, and x, only x
You're not even trying.

>>21606887
Is this a joke?

>>21607029
>>21607031

Don't blame you for not picking it up but it seems like anon here has just posted the opening to Normal People for whatever reason

>>21607036
I didn't even think to google it. What a fucking moron I am. I can't believe that tripe is published.

>>21607036
Last time he posted Beckett, who is actually good, so you can say some point was made. This one is just trash.

>>21604754
How do you write from the perspective of an AI? Especially one supposedly much smarter than humans are?

>>21607074
run your prose through Google Translate a half dozen times

How do I write two men caring about each other in a way they even the most retarded reader wouldn’t go “LOL THEY MUST BE GAY LET’S SHIP THEM”?

>>21607072
Nah posting Beckett wasn't me, I just wanted to see people give criticism to something published if they didn't pick up on it.

>>21607041
I like Normal People and am ambivalent about the rest of Rooney's novels but her style is massively polarising. I suppose I appreciate the novelty of it and that helps me get over its simplicity.

>>21607074
Real AI or sci-fi magic AI?

>>21606954
I am worried about the same but perhaps it’s worth a shot anyway

Obviously language changes over time. How does that occur? Can it be dictated?

>>21607074
Read some fictional accounts to get inspired.
"Excession" by Iain Banks has such AIs, and is a really good tale.

>>21607036
wow anon
thats amazing
can't believe you are so original
so do you actually write or is it an aesthetic for you?

>>21607026
>>21606981
it's describing the sizing. Obviously you can shift the paragraph bar to indent, but do you people use the five space indent size or the Tab indent size?

so what is the point of /lit/?

>>21607120
The "tab" indent size is whatever you set it to be.
How many "spaces" in a tab, in your opinion, and why?
Looks like my usual choice is 0.35" when using a 12 point font.

>>21607108
Just an aesthetic, yeah. I have a nice little blue law-firm-branded notebook where I doodle little vignettes and write introductions to short stories that will never be finished. I go to coffee shops and parks and try to spot young English Lit grads in my peripheral vision as I flip through my copy of The Secret History. On my tinder I call myself a writer and notify people that I'm in desperate search of a muse, and I put a little quill emoji next to this sentence because I heard it stops people (at least for a second or so) from passing over me, with minimal regard, like I'm some nondescript furniture.

>He felt a pang of...

>>21607227
...pangolins.

>>21607227
excruciating pain. It was the damned Taco Bell Doritos Locos Tacos --- cool ranch flavor. It had to be. No other foods in all of human history could produce such internal damage to the rectum. His anus did its best to keep the contents from spilling out, like a gate suffering through countless barrages from a Mongolian ram. But like all gates, it too would fail. A splatter of feces exploded from his asshole. Luckily, he wore jeans. Tight fitting blue jeans. And that would stop the smelly ooze from spreading onto the floor. It was better it stuck to his buttocks than risk the embarrassment of the floor.

>>21606430
Okay, and what about their breath weapons? Or physical traits for Light or Dark dragons?

>>21606440
Why poison for Earth and acid for Darkness? I can kind of get lightning for Light dragons and frost for Water makes sense, but I'm more on the fence about those two.

>>21607453
Why are we writing the book for you?

>>21607026
I code in notepad++. shit's legit

>>21607453
there's poison gas underground and black dragons breathing acid is right out of the monster manual

>>21605319
The second one, just personal preference really. The first one is interesting too.

>>21605319
both ideas sound interesting but the second will take way more research

>>21604908
Subscribed.
dont disappoint me monkey.

>>21606415
>Earth dragons
A roar instead of breath. It shatters the rocks and cracks the earth, like a strong earthquake.
>Water dragons
Pressurised steam. It is akin to being cowered in boiling oil.
>Light
Lazers
>Darkness
A beam of dark that operates like a mobile portal to dark dimensions, drives people to madness and is ridden with shadowy monsters.

Any tips for writing action sequences? Specifically my character's a pilot and I'm trying to write the dogfights

>>21608022
Play Ace Combat Zero, 4, 5, 6, 7, and write it like that, unironically. Project Wingman also works.

Basically write it like you would write a mecha dogfight, realism be damned

>>21608036
>>21608022
Don't listen to this guy. Play Red Baron (DOS, 1990). You want the reader to know to drudgery and boredom of flying recon and patrol missions that suddenly gets blown apart by a chance encounter. Man and machine jockeying for line of sight, fighting engine stalls and the limits of the birds' maneuverability. The disappointment of a solid volley hitting its target but leaving the pilot and plane happily in the air and the constant paranoia that a if a single stray bullet finds its way to the pilot's person, it is over for him for all time.

>>21608022
>Any tips for writing action sequences?
Don't. I skip over all that nonsense. Just condense it as much as you can
>root'n'toot'n'point'n'shoot'n
>the end
Trust me on this, Anon. The world will thank you.

>>21607079
Literally impossible.

>>21607079
You can't. Don't care about it. Faggots and women are not important readers who can understand literature anyways.

>>21608022
Literature isn't a good medium for rendering action, visual media are much better. Stick to what literature is good at: interior thoughts and emotions. No other medium can do it as well. That means you can still have your dogfight but it becomes internal rather than external, what the pilot mainly thinks and feels.

>>21594206
I'm relatively far reading your shit anon. It's interesting to say the least. She's a shitty cop but I like that. There better be a huge payoff. It's obvious the Lich is her Brother, so that better not be the biggest twist. I also like the idea of false Gods.

Keep editing.

>>21607079
People always see what they want to see. I wrote something with two male characters and their relationship in my opinion was clearly more like father and son but degens just imagined they were fucking.
Almost ironic.

>>21604908
Hey anon, I asked right the end of other thread how long it takes you to write these.

>>21608143
t. sourgrapes hack who can't write action

I just need a single, weird, short story idea. Premise. That's all I want.

>>21610069
Science fiction, 60s kind of science fiction. A science man who trawels through teleportation device regularly. One day he discovers that he's actually copied whenever he's teleported and discarded original always reassembles in an endless labyrinth of teleports dimension. He figures out that he can't leave, but his hundreds of copies work together to construct an interdimensional message device to warn everyone not to use teleportation.

Every time I write a swordfight it ends up with both parties disarmed and it becoming a brutal melee grapple to the death. Should I do something about that, or let the cheese live?

>>21608022
Don't focus on the action. Give lots of build up. Make the stakes high. But don't go into lots of details of what actually happens.

I've been reading Musashi recently, which you would expect to have lots of sword action, but the actual encounters are very brief.

I agree with this anon >>21608763

It's fine if my main character's love interest is a bit of a slut right?

>>21610179
slut as in she has a healthy sex drive or slut as in she's been around the block more than once and may cheat on him?
there's a place for both characters, but it depends on your story

>>21609129
It depends. Some are written overnight while others get worked on for weeks and months.
Also, since writing is rewriting, there is a lot of editing that goes into a finished poem. From fixing up the spelling (for example: today i again read up on the exact difference between 'that' and 'which') to looking up the words in a dictionary, ideally an etymological one, and making sure they line up the way i think they do (did you know 'widowed' literally means 'to be empty' and 'unmarried'),.

All that takes a while.

>>21610179
If you want me to read your story for an engaging romance then the girl needs to be attractive. Sluts are not attractive. If your story has another meaning and theme and that slut's character fits in, then it's okay, just as any other character that serves a purpose.

>>21610179
This might come off as shallow but nobody wants to read about a slut. The point of a love interest is building a character that readers want to get together with the main character. Going the slut route never works and you can see this clear as day with Rothfuss who was never able to comprehend why nobody liked Denna. You also don't want to go the Tad Williams route where she gets fucked by another guy but the MC simps for her so hard that she eventually gets with him even though she wanted him to move on and find someone who didn't get pumped and dumped by the villain. It just leaves a bad taste.

>>21605483
Worst of all, 70% of the wannabe writers want to self publish. That's like filming a movie and saying: "Fuck streaming and theaters. I'll just hand out copies to my friends and family."

I made massive progress on my outline yesterday, many of my chapters are already written but have been disconnected and lacking a path towards the end. I'm about 80% solidified now I think and nearing the end. Feels good.

>>21610279
That interesting, Thanks.

Do people even read sword and sorcery stuff anymore or did that genre die in the 80s?

>>21610393
I've got 272 followers for that on royalroad, make of that what you will.

>>21605483
lol do I need to find a purpose that reasonable to you now? go fuck yourself

>>21610341
No it's not. It's like filming a movie and putting it on youtube. Writers have access to an instant worldwide distribution network. Maybe nobody finds their stuff, but it's not hand delivered.

>>21610393
Fantasy is one of the biggest genres right now.

>>21610341
What's a wannabe writer?

>>21610393
No genre ever actually "dies". Sword and Sorcery still has a fanbase, it might be niche but it's there.

>>21610422
Yeah that's fair.
>>21610474
Someone who spends their time posting on 4chan and not working on their manuscript. Like me.

>>21610393
It's not dead but it's old. There have been many interpretations and experiments. It's hard to create an original world, narrative and characters. Man, it was the stuff for decades. Can you even come close to Conan, Elric etc.?

my two beta readers said they liked my book. Is it time to publish?

>>21609924
>frogposter

>>21610801
sneederson also can't write action

>>21610422
youtube film makers are based
feeling proud fo be a wannabe

>>21610810
>I haven't read any of Sanderson's books
We know.

>>21610865
I had the misfortune of reading the last 3 wheel of time books. Robert Jordan - not exactly a great literary genius - is head and shoulders above someone like Sanderson.

Are there any boring character motivations? Is it automatically boring to read about a character who just wants friends? What if they don't really "know" what they want exactly, and the just want to be happy?

>>21610925
the execution of your prose can make the most mundane situations gripping or hilarious, or the most nominally exciting, world-in-the-balance events dreadfully dull.

>>21610606
A part of me thinks my beta reader is just blowing smoke up my ass, but he is putting too much effort to engage with my prose and praise it, so he might be serious. It really gave me an ego boost, now I need to find another to put me down.

>>21611141
your books sucks and you should do another editing pass

>>21611156
Thank you.

>>21610925
Execution is king. Do whatever you want just don't do a shit job
It helps if your narrative has something interesting to say on your boring subjects

Do I have what it takes to write?

As I sat in front of my computer, my fingers hovering over the mouse, I felt a strange sense of vertigo. The endless stream of digital images that scrolled before me, each one captured from a different street corner in a different part of the world, was a reminder of just how vast and unknown our reality truly was.

I had been browsing Google Street View for hours, lost in the endless vista of buildings and roads, people and cars, all frozen in time. It was a strange and surreal experience, as if I were observing a parallel universe, one in which the pulse of life had been stilled and the clock of existence had been stopped.

And yet, for all its apparent stillness, there was a strange and eerie energy to this world, an intangible presence that was palpable, even through the glass of my computer screen. It was as if the digital realm was a mere veil, behind which lay the true face of reality, a realm of infinite possibility and boundless terror.

I felt like a voyeur, peering into the private moments of people's lives, their most intimate moments captured forever in this digital archive. And yet, despite the closeness I felt to these strangers, I was also acutely aware of the immense distance that separated us, the chasm of time and space that could never be crossed.

As I gazed at the endless parade of images, I couldn't help but wonder what deeper purpose lay behind this act of documentation, this preservation of the most mundane moments of our lives. Was it a testament to our desire to understand and categorize the world around us, or was it a desperate attempt to stave off the inevitable decay of time and memory?

In the end, as I closed my laptop and leaned back in my chair, I realized that the answer was not to be found in the sterile images of Google Street View, but within the pulsing, messy, and infinitely complex reality of our lives.

>>21611301
You're supposed to tell a story, not masturbate to a thesaurus

>>21611301
This was generated by AI.

>>21611366
Then we needn't worry about AI replacing human writers.

>>21611301
As I sat in front of my computer, my fingers hovering over the mouse, I felt a strange sense of vertigo.

I had been browsing Google Street View for hours, lost in the endless vista of buildings and roads, people and cars, all frozen in time.

And yet, for all its apparent stillness, there was a strange and eerie energy to this world, an intangible presence that was palpable, even through the glass of my computer screen.

I felt like a voyeur, peering into the private moments of people's lives, their most intimate moments captured forever in this digital archive.

I couldn't help but wonder what deeper purpose lay behind this act of documentation, this preservation of the most mundane moments of our lives. Was it a testament to our desire to understand and categorize the world around us, or was it a desperate attempt to stave off the inevitable decay of time and memory?

As I closed my laptop and leaned back in my chair, I realized that I should touch grass.

Rate/Critique my first chapter:
It's about a boy who wants to start a club (I think it's done)
pastebin.com/iXu6B8Qe

>>21610925
I don't think it would be boring, but I personally have a large part of me wishing for that kind of thing daily. I guess it just depends on if you manage to find the right crowd. Given all the little different nuances that attract people and all that.

>>21607074
You can't write someone smarter than you, but you can write the illusion of intelligence much the same way that AI isn't actually sentient and merely appeals to your monkey brain to make you think that it isn't just a neural network looking shit up in a dictionary.
Making the AI always be right is a good start, you don't have to explain why it does anything if the outcome is engineered in such a way that the reader thinks "wow, only an heckin smart AI could pull that off!". You can either obscure or withhold information which is what most assreaching media does or you could quite literally say what will happen and the how of it is the interesting part for the reader. This doesn't mean that it always does everything 1st try but rather that the combination of its actions is ultimately successful.
But this is quite stale if you plan on making the whole thing the AI's perspective so I'd recommend just treating it like a regular character whilst the super smart AI component being displayed in character flaws or quirks and the like, but it ultimately adheres to a character, code, restrictions, mission, etc.
If you don't plan on doing that then it should be ruthlessly logical and follow psychological machiavellianism: no interpersonal relationships, no morals, manipulative and egoist. If the AI has short term goals it executes them, period. If it has to kill someone it doesn't waste time talking, it just does it. If the goals are long term then it does everything in its power to achieve them even if that means appearing to be a well adjusted member of society with a family and friends, a backstory, a job, whatever, the point is that it will drop all of it once its goal has been reached. If there's nothing to be gained it doesn't do it, use "What do I stand to gain?" as an heuristic for literally anything the AI does. The downsides of this is that your AI doesn't ultimately make mistakes. This doesn't mean that you can't inconvenience it, but unless you defeat it in a way that it couldn't see coming (it's so unlikely that it throws out the possibility) it might as well be God. So unless you get another AI or make it impossible for it to achieve its objectives it can't really be defeated. You can always dial the intelligence back and add margin for error, a chess engine for the real world would be incredibly complex so perfect solutions don't exist and all it does is try to reach the best possible outcome. Even the #1 chess player in the world has been defeated before and he's a genetic edge case.
So there's clearly a whole spectrum here, mishmash it as you like.
>supposedly
If it's not then it just pretends that it is, which isn't much different from what you'd be doing to your readers by pretending that you're as smart as the smart AI. So you don't have to pretend, you can just write yourself.

>published Amazon kdp
>Book has the word nigger in it
I'm scared they're going to reject it

>>21607488
>right out of the monster manual
I don't do D&D. Also, I was trying to keep things a bit more elementally themed. Thanks for the suggestions though.

>>21611852
I know for a fact that books with nigger in them get on kdp no problem.

>>21611886
Make it unique and use the periodic table instead of classical elements.

You have your noble gas dragon, your iron dragons, your gas dragons, etc. So 7 class of dragons in all. Of course the rarest has to be the rare earth dragon. And they do battle with the human made dragons of proton numbers 109 - 120

>>21611889
That's reassuring. Thank you anon

>>21611909
Trying to stick to fantasy elements, but thanks for trying. Also, I vaguely recall someone already doing something like that.

Does anyone want to try the first chapter of my medieval fantasy? Also, what is the preferred method for posting work?

>>21611996
Pastebin. If you don't want to be stored for the posterity, make it expire.

>>21612001
Why does everything fuck off with the formatting when you are pasting text, I'll come back with the link in a bit after adjusting all the fuckin indents and shit.

>>21610941
>>21611270
What does it actually mean to have a good execution? Do you mean good writing style? Complex plot? Hooks and cliffhsngers in every paragraph? Just more exaggerated characters?

Would saying the MC works as a gas station attendant immediately suggest something to my readers about the setting and/or the time period?

>>21611512
>So in conclusion, he had to get out and talk to people, not in his classroom.
Personally, I do not like any sentence in a narrative where "in conclusion" is used, because I feel like it just beats me over the head with the point.
Also the ending paragraph,
>She wanted this to be true more then anything else in the world.
Is "She" here a type and should it be he? If not, then don't worry. Also I believe it should be "than" not "then"
Other than the typo and a couple of very personal nitpicks about speaking patterns, which may just be due to my regional dialect, I think your writing is quite serviceable, and I would read more. I like it.

How much research should one do for a novel?

In my specific case, I’m planning to write an Isekai where some unfortunate metalworker from a PIE Culture gets shotput into a fantasy world and tries to survive. From a cultural perspective, very little is known of the peoples who existed during this era, ie: Yamnaya, Bell Beaker culture, Early European Farmer, etc. Pretty much all of my sources from this period are either from an author who almost exclusively writes PIE Historical Fiction and books with titles I know not.

>>21612204
It means your story is set after the invention of the automobile but before self-service stations became the norm, so we're definitely looking at the 20th century

>>21612412
just make something up, king

Where do I put the visual description of my protagonist? Before he is doing something or in the middle of the first chapter? He is immediately shown in a distressed situation and has conflicting thoughts. It doesn't feel right to slow it all down to describe his appearance. But I'm also afraid that the reader can imagine him before the description.

>>21612412
Stealing ideas is the chad move. Take the culture from your favorite novel and rename it, add your own elements and change superficial core ideas of the culture. That's how I'm writing my isekai.

>>21611996
I'll give it a read.

>>21612412
The point of an Isekai is to have a modern Everyman that the readers can relate to -- a normal guy who talks normal. If you step outside that, you'll have to explain your fantasy world AND the world the protagonist came from. That second part is much harder since he's away from his original setting. Expect lots of readers to be utterly confounded by his pre-modern actions.

I speak from experience here.

>>21612570
>Where do I put the visual description of my protagonist?
Somewhere early. First chapter. Otherwise, they'll imagine him how they want and then be put off later by a conflicting description.

>>21612204
Oregon.

>>21612689
I would disagree. Fantasy thrives upon sending MCs on adventures in strange places. It's a matter of fleshing out the world of the protagonist and his mindset. We have seen decadent emperors traveling the barbaric world, little guys in the dark realms, princesses in the steppe. This, perhaps needs a lot more time and maybe a full short backstory, but it's possible.

How do I write a book that isn't shit? I have ideas for scenes but can never string them together.

>>21612720
You write a book that is shit, anon. That's how it works. And then you write better.

>>21612729
This is actually weirdly encouraging. Thank you, anon.

i wrote a poem about society, pls give thoughts

>>21612204
They might make assumptions, so you can add flavour by describing it like an old, old one if you so choose.

>>21613192
Amateur. Fix the rhythm, make it more complex in its meaning and symbolism, don't use the same words. But it's good that you actually wrote a big poem. Some lines are pretty good, you just need a bit of practice to fit all the pieces perfectly.

>>21613307
yeah thats basically my problem, i have a lot of schizo ideas in my head i want to translate into writing but i struggle with self-expression, either too blunt or unspecific,
atm im working on writing blm-poetry to scam liberal women, but picrel is the only recent example of me writing something serious about my own feelings, also its kinda disjointed since i wrote it at 3am

>get this ad
>Read a bit
>Very impressed
>4chan ads do work

>>21613377

>>21612424
>became the norm
Where? Not where I live. I have never heard of self service being the norm.

>>21613377
Independent publishing from comics to manga to literature is really becoming the norm.

Anyone have tips how to create an author's page?

I haven't written since Sunday.
Shit, how do I get it together?

>>21613372
>im working on writing blm-poetry to scam liberal women
Incredibly based.
This poem is more on the point, but I assume it's because of the simoler style this poem utilizes.

>>21613307
What's the difference between murdering your darlings and protecting your darlings?

>>21613421
this is what happens when i just write down my inner monologue.

>>21613438
Perhaps you should try sobriety.
This sounds like meth-induced ravings.

>>21613698
a page of something i wrote

Thoughts on incest?

>>21613729
Total cringe.
Although "Flowers In The Attic" by V.C. Andrews, and "The Fall Of The House Of Usher" by Edgar Allan Poe, are based around incest.

>>21613729
Depends on the context. Are you using it for a reason or did you just finish fapping to doujins with the incest tag?

>>21613729
only kino incest is same-sex incest fr fr

>>21612344
thank you, I also found that in conclusion part a little awkward, gotta fix!
and noted on the spelling mistakes

There's going to become a point where AI is going to get so proficient at analyzing every single classic a trillion times and will be able to recreate novels in the same quality. This is going to bring upon a post-modern age of writing where "bad writing" and "terrible writing" dysfunctional grammar, surrealism, is going to become the new style, as a way to become what AI isn't.

>>21614101
great art cannot be recreated by AI no matter how well written it is, there are already too many MFA writers that write "good" novels that evoke 0 emotions in their readers

>>21614101
>There's going to become a point where AI is going to get so proficient
That point is several hundred years in the future. Right now it can just regurgitate meaningless pablum.

its 3am and im drunk, time to ramble about how much of a bitch my ex is

whats the cutest story you've written?

>>21614101
>>21611301
I wouldn't worry about it.

>>21614223
How long do you think it will take AI to analyze every book in the world? The answer is not long. It's not several hundred years away it's just a few years away, probably sooner. This shits advances so quickly.
With that said, giving an AI a prompt and letting it do it's thing will mainly only replace erotica and maybe really cliche genre fiction. For actual good writers it will be a tool that helps them reach a new level. It already works really well as a thesaurus, much better then Google searches.
Artists are fucked, writers just got handed a fucking golden egg.

>>21604754
Lots of excitement in the /lit/ Top Ten this week, as John Jay Stancliff sets a new record for /wg/ publishing (previously held by James Krake's Infinite Money Glitch at #385,032). However, Mike Ma (hon.) continues to widen the gap for the #1 position. Krake was not able to retain his position in the top five, and Gardner has lost several slots in the top ten. RC Waldun (hon.) has not only surged back onto the rankings, but has taken a top five position. The Unreal Press Islamagood Bazaar continues to do a brisk trade and Victor Akaso retains his spot in the rankings. Ogden Nesmer finds himself clinging to the #10 position with I Pray to the Hungry God.

This week the /lit/ Top Ten takes a look at /wg/ history, uncovering some interesting trivia, including the bottom 5 ranked books currently on Amazon.

And finally, the Gossip Catalog makes special mention of Lewis Woolston, who despite having interacted with the editor of the /lit/ Top Ten on multiple occasions, still refers to me as "whoever makes these things."

>>21604754
Lots of excitement in the /lit/ Top Ten this week, as John Jay Stancliff sets a new record for /wg/ publishing (previously held by James Krake's Infinite Money Glitch at #385,032). However, Mike Ma (hon.) continues to widen the gap for the #1 position. Krake was not able to retain his position in the top five, and Gardner has lost several slots in the top ten. RC Waldun (hon.) has not only surged back onto the rankings, but has taken a top five position. The Unreal Press Islamagood Bazaar continues to do a brisk trade and Victor Akaso retains his spot in the rankings. Ogden Nesmer finds himself clinging to the #10 position with I Pray to the Hungry God.

This week the /lit/ Top Ten takes a look at /wg/ history, uncovering some interesting trivia, including the bottom 5 ranked books currently on Amazon.

And finally, the Gossip Catalog makes special mention of Lewis Woolston, who despite having interacted with the editor of the /lit/ Top Ten on multiple occasions, still refers to me as "whoever makes these things."

>>21614248
A little boy is trapped on a "desserted island", i.e. an island made out of desserts. The tiny natives keep trying to execute him for his crimes against them, but he simply devours anything they throw at him, and thanks them for it.

>>21614344
"Re: Trailer Trash" is presently at #465,096.
"Son Of The Sun" is at #582,555.
Why are these being ignored?

>>21614344
>"City Of Singles" by Jason Bryan is 1st /lit/ book
And it's sold by Walmart?!?!
https://www.walmart.com/ip/City-of-Singles-9780991825707/674498260
I think that makes him our most successful author.

>>21614344
Small note, I just use "Akaso" as a pseudonym, as you can see on the covers. I have no clue why the first volume of Retribution Engine has the previous two-part version of that pseudonym listed on the amzn page. Probably a carryover from my first-ever selfpub, on which I did use the full "Victor Akaso".

>>21614469
Who?

How do you get back into the mood for a story you're writing after you screwed up something unrelated to it?

today was my best writing day in months
hope it continues

>>21614513
>unrelated to it
how so?
Any way I just pick another part or scene that I am thinking about and write it instead of the scene I lost the mood for.

>>21614344
Woah how did fedbook do it?

>>21611301
>>21611467
Nice one. I had a go and nicked your line about touching grass.

I had been browsing Google Street View for hours and my eyes felt dry from the endless stream of buildings, roads, people and cars. After one too many turns, a sense of vertigo came over me. My fingers hovered above the mouse.
A pixelated man balanced on one foot in front of me, parked still like the white Toyota next to him. A leash hung supended between the man's hand and a sprightly-looking pit bull, who would be forever pulling its owner forward. I listened to the dog's heavy breathing and thought about its non-existence. They could both be dead for all I know. Why photograph the poor bastards? And why am I looking at a man formerly walking his dog in Belfast, Northern Ireland?
As I closed my laptop and leaned back in my chair, I realized I should go touch some grass today.

>>21614350
that sounds funny, I could see how it would play out lol

>>21614646
It's the most recent release. He probably got like 50 sales (good for him) and the rest on that list are lucky to get 1 per week

>>21614723
How do make 48 friends?

>>21614740
Fuck if I know. Fedbook is beating me.

>>21613698
Have you tried rewriting it in different ways? I feel like there's something you're trying to say, but I find the whole think very hard to make sense of. Many of these sentences are not sentences, like the first one for example.

W.G. Sebald advised: "Every sentence taken by itself should mean something."

He also said: "Writing should not create the impression that the writer is trying to be poetic."

What do I do after I finish my novel? Finished the first draft today and I'll start editing next week. But I'm really clueless on what I should do afterwards

>>21614948
You start another one so the dread doesn't have time to set in

>>21614953
Kek. That's for sure. But then I just send the ready ones to publishers until one day someone believes it enough?

>>21614966
pretty much querying is an art unto itself

Writing is for loosers with no life. Real men live by accomplishing great things and raising families to carry on their bloodline.

>>21615021
Okay, so go do that, Gigachad McThundercock

>>21615021
glhf

>>21614740
First, start with 100 friends...

>>21615021
And then your kids rebel against everything you stand for, because that's what kids do.
Then you become alienated from them, and grow apart and out of touch.
Then, they choose your nursing home, when you're too old and helpless to challenge them.
>loosers
illiterate
opinion discarded

I'm writing a detective story. The character who turns out to be the killer is introduced relatively early in the story, and I'm afraid it's REALLY obvious. I feel like most readers will probably have it figured out less than halfway through the story.

>>21614740
You need to have a twitter account and write stories for online magazines that get you minor notoriety. I only have 100 followers and made 20 sales my first day just off of shilling from an online magazine and some friends. Some of my friends have purchased the book, some family too, but I mostly just gave the book to them for their support. 75% of my sales have been randos which is very surprising to me. I was expecting 10, maximum, in these first couple weeks. Also I have a substack with 25 subscribers. Unsure to what degree that helped.
Mainly it’s a good novel and word spreads. If you don’t want to buy it email me at stanjay097 at gmail dot com, and I’ll send you a pdf.
t. John

>>21615107
Then throw in some more red herrings, brainlet.
Maybe read a book on how to write a mystery.

>>21615118
What's your twitter handle? I'll follow you. Fucking tired of having a timeline filled with commie cocksuckers

>>21615107
>Means, motive and opportunity
If it's a well planned murder, the killer should have themselves covered on at least two of those things. For instance, if it's established that the character in question didn't have opportunity nor motive, at least in the detective's eyes (as well as the reader's), then any suspicions on them are irrelevant and quickly forgotten with the use of a few misdirects and red herrings.
Alternatively, if the detective's journey in descovering the truth is interesting enough, then does it matter if the audience has already clued in on who did it? It could turn into a cat-and-mouse game with the detective having an inkling of who the killer is, without being able to prove it, instead of relying on a big twist or reveal in the climax.

>>21614767
multiple collages of sentences.... that have not really gotten put together as a whole collectively.

>>21614767
Why shouldn't a writer try to be poetic, I always enjoyed how other writers create that impression.

>>21604754

[Please critique / give thoughts on my poem]

* A Future Abandoned in the Past

Whispers and murmurs echoes through the wires,
the channels and passages.

Through the tunnels and ducts of the datacombs.

It's the world of the electron and the switch,
the beauty of the baud. [fn:1]

Intensities of radiating blue light
fills the empty space of the net.

Like galaxy clusters colliding in deep-space.

Incomprehensibly large events, unfolding.
Swarms clashing in massive feedback,
assemblages converging in spirals.

Yet it's quiet.

The transformers constant hum fills the sonic space,
inaudible distant voices.

Outside the rave talking, music muddled by the bass
bleeding through the walls.

Time is moving slow. Distant chatter.

Things are happening, speed up but slowed down.

Warm summer night, walking through the empty city.

Like a factory at night, assembly lines stand still,
things left where they where.

There is a certain calmness to spaces which are busy
during the day, sleeping, waiting for the sun to raise.

Twenty year old conversations, frozen in time, paused,
trails of someone long gone.

The future looking back, alone, finds comfort in the past.

The distant past waiting where time stands still,
deep within the datacombs,

Only when left empty, sleeping, we can reveal what remains
and what really is.

* Footnotes

[fn:1] Hackers Manifesto, Phrack Issue 7, http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html

>>21615126
I don't know if red-herrings would really work, here. It's not an "evidence" thing.
The first time the killer is introduced to the detective, he (the killer) is in a grouchy mood. Later, the detective learns a little bit about his history, and learns why he was in such a grouchy mood, although it shouldn't (I hope) point to him being the killer.
The next time the detective meets him, he's in a much happier mood. I feel like readers are going to take that alone as proof he must be the killer. He's normally upset, but suddenly he's happy. Unfortunately it's necessary for the story that he not be grouchy all the time.

>>21615243
ludicrous
>1st meeting upset
>2nd meeting happy
no one will instantly draw the conclusion he's the killer from that. what you should do is add a few more characters to draw the reader's attention as well. Make all of them suspicious, just slightly, in one way or another.

>>21613698
I liked it, but you can remove most of the commas.

>>21613698
That's big. Big in it's scope. Written well, but quite monotonous and is practically an infodump. Why do you make us look at infodumps? Would be better if you showed us an impactful scene even without context. You know, action. It's hard to give an opinion on it.

>“Ah!” She threw her head back and twisted her shoulders. “You wound me. Here and here and here and here and here too! These stabs of truth, you cruel man,” she said as she jabbed herself in every bullet scar from top to bottom, leaving her finger on the one next to her navel. Then she dropped the actress’ affectation and grinned again. “Well, I guess technically it was your friend that wounded dear old me. You never… stabbed me.”
>Elliot’s eyes flicked to his hand. She had pinned it with her own and worked her fingers in between his so she could roll his wedding ring with her thumb. “Why the hell are you even on this case, Tabby? You’re not a detective. You’re not even a bodyguard. You’re the snake they send to worm her way into organizations to snitch on them, you walking honeypot.”
>She slumped, her hair cascading across her tilted face before she sighed and brushed it back. “I could give you the justification I used, but isn’t it enough that it was to see you? My dear savior? The man who ran away from me? Justice incarnate from behind the barrel of a gun… You’ve fallen so low, Tom. You’re a damned E-rank. How did you let that happen?”

>>21615411
Yeah...red herrings. Like I said.

>>21615580
Not that anon, but adding more characters might help take attention off of your killer, though that doesn't mean that's all they need to be. Your detective should be visiting a lot of people, most of who knew the victim. False leads and fruitless investigations don't need to serve only as a distraction from the murderer, it's simply part of the detective's job. The gathering of information and evidence is essential for his report. Your setting needs to make sense and settings are filled with people, and while sub-plots dirrived from side-characters need to fit your theme, they can be interesting and perhaps even act as red herrings, yet no one is saying they can't be more than that.

>>21615202
You can be poetic, but it has to seem effortless.

So my side character's subplot inciting incident happens slightly before the telling. I know you have to show the inciting incident for the protagonist but what about other characters? Should I extend the story backwards to include it? If I don't, the reader might not get the side character's motivation. The other choice is to just make the character bring it up in the ongoing subplot.

>>21613698
The excessive, over done, extravagant lists of verbs, nouns, adjectives, and images slow, impede, and restrict the flow of the sentences.

>>21615774
*bring up the inciting incident in the ongoing MAIN plot.

>>21615774
I don't think the inciting incident has to be the very first thing that happens in a story. You can have some minor build-up to it. It shouldn't hurt to have the other character's happen before the protagonist gets their incident, but you should probably find a way to work it into the story during the ongoing subplot.

>write 500 words in one novel
>feel the urge to write 500 words in another
What do I do?

>>21615987
Write 500 words in another, brainlet.
Who the hell said you can only work on one thing at a time?
No wonder you idiots fail at failing.

how to write smart people when i'm a retard?

>>21616104
smart people predict future outcome better than stupid people

>>21616104
have a character talk about how great the covid vaccine is and your smart character will just sit silently and nod and maybe grit their teeth a little in anger.

>writing fanfiction to overcome writers block
>finally having fun again
>>21606630
the first novel i wrote was set in a magic university
it was crap, but fun to write

>>21616131
>>writing fanfiction

>>21616131
>>writing fanfiction to overcome writers block
>>finally having fun again
Was the opposite for me, got so bothered about it that I wiped my accounts clean.

What are some examples of popular novels written to be adapted to film? Also, I've noticed some novels are made to be turned into audiobooks, it's like you're reading a stageplay.

>>21615232
You're trying too hard.

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45479/when-i-heard-the-learnd-astronomer

When I heard the learn’d astronomer,
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,
When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them,
When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room,
How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,
Till rising and gliding out I wander’d off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look’d up in perfect silence at the stars.

>>21616212
The Martian
Every YA novel

>>21616212
https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+novels+adapted+to+film
brainlet

>>21616104
You can't.
You'll get a lot of details and inferences wrong & reveal yourself to be an idiot.
Write what you know.

>>21616261
But the only thing I know is how to coom in my hand

>>21616287
That's not likely to be interesting to anyone.
Why exactly do you want to be a writer?
It doesn't sound like it's because you have a gift for the craft.

>>21616298
I want to find something I'm good at and writing has a low skill level threshold

>>21616311
people like you are the reason why the market is so fucking saturated and agents are so fucking dogshit, because they get spammed with fifth grade garbage all day and night, fuck you and please quit

neck yourself crab faggot

>>21616311
>writing has a low skill level threshold
Actually, writing has one of the highest skill level thresholds. There's a ton of junk written by people who have no clue what they're doing, but because they know the alphabet and have a word processor they write 500 pages of boring nonsense and consider themselves accomplished.

Adah anon. your book has suddenly turned very fucking good. Where was the prose, the action, mystery, and style of it in the first 10 chapters?

>>21616365
What book do you mean? I would take a look for myself.

>>21616381
I'm this anon.
>>21608884

>>21616261
>wRiTe WhAt YoU kNoW
This is the gayest advice ever. Do you think Tolkien knew how to be a Dark Lord that made some jewellery to enslave the races of middle earth? You fucking failure.

>>21616422
But its good advice.

>>21616422
But he did know about old English folklore and mythology. This able to blend that knowledge into a story

>>21613698
Some of your sentences don't necessarily make sense or the level of abstraction that you're going for is too high. You're assuming that the reader can make sense of what you're writing and thus take logical leaps with your sentences. There's also some grammatical errors in regards to things that should be plural but are singular like the "corridors of America" which should be 'were' instead of 'was'. Some redundancy too, like with the cow shit hills being so shitty and hills all the time. The only other negative thing that I have to point out is how your first sentence makes me want to blow my brains out. If you spent more words on fleshing out the description of the state instead of abusing the reader with the equivalent of "Springfield, is sneed, feed, seed, chuck, formerly suck and fuck" you would have a nice opener (which it fundamentally is if not for overuse of adjectives and verbs).
As for positives the description of the fiance reading the newspaper was well done although some sentences are fragmented. Your description of the state should be more like it but not all descriptions should be like that unless making detailed descriptions for everything is your thing.
>>21615202
As for being "poetic" it's not a matter of the amount of adjectives, etcetera but rather the exercise of making a sentence that sounds good, flows good, rhymes or is otherwise putting a spin on it. Stylistic devices are you best friends. And like the other anon said it should be effortless, in that you intuitively apply them without going "well my text is boring so I'm going to sprinkle in a allegory written with hyperbaton and assonance for good measure." The same should also hold true for the reader, they shouldn't be required to study your work whilst reading it.

>>21616365
Oh so you were anonymous raccoon

>>21604754
What are some powers that are typically seen in heroes but could work just as well in villains? My only ideas so far are light and healing abilities, but I need more for what I'm planning.

>>21616716
Sex powers.

>>21616422
>write what you know
It's just an underhanded way to tell dumbasses to do research into what they want to write.

>>21616716
Charisma

>>21616716
Force field/shielding powers. Something that lets the user protect others.

Acrobatics aren't exactly a superpower, but it is a fighting style that crops up most often for heroic types.

Stretchy powers for whatever reason are almost exclusively seen in heroes.

Maybe the ability to talk to/command animals? Or a more general animal/wildlife based abilities? Tends to be defenders-of-nature type characters.

I've had some interesting life experiences that I think would make for an interesting novella, but how do I go about writing it? It would be a pretty obvious self-insert. Are self-inserts inherently bad, or can you make them work as long as you avoid wishfulfilllment?

>>21616888
Share it.

/wg/ is too obsessed with prose... read poetry for once.

>>21617052
no

Do you care much for the introduction of your characters? Did it take you a long time to come up with something good?
I wrote much of my story already, but leaving the first chapter unheeded for a long time. The time has come for me to write a proper introduction for the main character and his party, and now I find myself lost as to how...

>>21610340
I wasn't a fan of that plot point but in a way I thought it was sweet how she cared about him so much she didn't feel worthy, and thus tried to push him away.

>>21616888
>Are self-inserts inherently bad, or can you make them work as long as you avoid wishfulfilllment?
The former. Nobody will know that you wrote a story about yourself if you are honest and your self insert is an actual developed character based on you.

>science fiction with some cosmic horror
https://pastebin.com/KtAKbrwE
>>21615232
The rhythm is a little too irregular even if the first line finds its feed after "whispers".
>datacombs
Interesting neologism. The piece is interesting but it might need a bit more work conveying the imagery and ideas with rhythm and meter as a buttress. Remember that form and style and content all meld together. As it is, it feels a little haphazard.

>>21617316
>Nobody will know that you wrote a story about yourself if you are honest and your self insert is an actual developed character based on you.
Not true at all. Everyone that read my book knew it was a self insert

>>21617361
Did they really?

>>21617386
Yes. Friends and family know me too well

>>21617422
Well, that's your friends and family. They recognize your personality, especially if you're so close with them they know your internal thoughts. For a reader who doesn't know you a self insert is some character that is a blatant wish fulfillment agent. For example, I've looked at some reviews from stereotypical soijaks about Harassment Architecture, they didn't get that Ma was schizo rambling on the pages, for them it was some snobbish almost leftist critique of modern society. Pretty fucking funny.

>>21604754
>Bird character can't fly. This is his main internal conflict. At the end of his arc he ends up learning how to fly through sheer hard work
Is this too cliche?

>>21617472
Internal conflicts have a low bar for cliche. Especially in genre fiction. Your character sounds okay.

>>21617472
Better to character to accept he's a bird that can't fly. An ostrich instead of an eagle

>>21604754
When you're trying to create a world/plot for a book you're writing, how do you manage to pick which version to go for? I have multiple versions in my head and they all feel "right" so to speak, bu incomplete at the same time? Do I just start with one and then rewrite half the book of necessary?

>>21617520
Even if this isn’t the best place to ask advice, I’ll try help.
Just plot the different variations out on a piece of paper. Truly ask yourself which would a reader prefer to read and for what reasons.

>>21617520
I'm in no way an authority on this, but I can tell you how I do this. I create so many variations/themes that at the point when I have to write a story I focus on the characters and add the elements that suit the plot. My character can be several characters at the same time and my world can be several worlds. I guess it's a pantser way.

>>21617556
that's very interesting

writing is for people who have no talent in any of the real art mediums. everyone can write but not everyone can compose music, paint, dance, direct films.

just my hot take, take it or leave it.

>>21617596
everyone can write but not everyone can write a good book, both plot-wise and prose-wise

>>21617596
Everyone can write but not everyone can write well.
>compose music
This is easy once you learn and practise.
>paint
This is even easier to learn than music. Try harder.
>dance
Now you're trolling.
>direct films
I can't believe I fell for this.

>>21617596
Show us what you wrote then.

>>21614659
I submitted it to /ffa/, but that seems to have disappeared up someone's kimono.

Any good strategies for developing a premise into a full story?

>>21617787
Sit and write

>>21617052
No.

I'm scared to use commas now.

>>21617955
Wait until you hear that semicolons are a thing.

>>21617961
I just use periods to avoid those. Commas on the other hand, are scary to use.

You want some ant dicks?

I'm working through the exercises in the back of The Art of Fiction and I'm on this one:
>7. Write a monologue of at least three pages, in which the interruptions—pauses, gestures, description, etc.—all clearly and persuasively characterize, and the shifts from monologue to gesture and touches of setting (as when the character touches some object or glances out the window) all feel rhythmically right. Purpose: to learn ways of letting a character make a long speech that doesn’t seem boring or artificial.
intellectually I understand what he's asking, but can someone give me an example of an interruption that persuasively characterizes?

New thread >>21618148

>>21616110
But what happens if you predict things but never act on them? Like if you foresaw Bitcoin mooning in '10 but never bought any? Doesn't that make you the biggest retard of all?

>>21618152
That's not the specific sort of prediction anon was talking about, I gather.
I went through my creative-writing graveyard (which is a hanging folder with paper notes) some months back.
At one time, I had planned to write a predictive-fiction novel, where most people worked from home, as independent contractors, not encountering each other in person very often.
I had written extensive notes about what people would be like in such a world.
It would have been innovative 2 decades ago, but now, it's just the news.

>>21618014
You quite literally don't since the entire point of the semicolon is that it's not a period, substituting it for a period would not make sense in most ways that it is used. It's used to confer a longer respite; longer than the comma; shorter than the period; rarely used in English. There's more uses but I won't bore you.
As for commas their use is highly subjective, they're meant to afford the reader a breather if they were to be reading out loud but it's neither here or there if you completely ignore them and go for a long sentence so as to highlight a conclusion or a sequence of actions or ideas that shouldn't be separated. There's two considerations to the comma: the purely grammatical; the purely stylistic. An author that employs both over and under use of the comma is Saramago in Baltasar and Blimunda. There are no dialog indicators besides the comma and the narrator saying it so, and the narrator itself is its own distinct character that gives his own opinion on the story at certain points in the book. You could also interpret the under and over use of the comma to be his implicit opinion since the entire narration is in of itself the narrator's, who is distinct from the author and the characters he's narrating about. So if you don't know what you're doing just stick to the grammatical usage and quite literally no one will fault you; they'll even praise you for being such a good conformist.

>>21618175
You too, huh? That is pretty stupid though, to write about a prediction of the future but never write it.

>>21618202
Semicolons are old news, the only thing that matters in English - is the dash.

>>21618260
After failing to gain any traction with my writing around that time, I got angry with myself for "wasting my time", and deliberately decided to stop doing "stupid, childish things", and got serious about my career.
Of course, that sucked too.
So now I'm writing again.

>>21618282
You're such a cliche I can hardly believe you're real.

>>21618370
As are you, demotivational failed-crab.