/lit/ - Literature

>>21535678
(Continued)

Leaders are what make things a reality. Their influence drives people to action more than any other factor. They are the focal point of written history. Whether it be through fear, money, influence, vision, innovation ect. The leader that can make and use these tools faster and more efficiently than his opponents will win. (Baron Vladimir Harkonen was the king of power manipulation as a leader. Able to leverage fear, money and violence to reach his goals. Innovating the use of artillery to nullify Atreides shields. Exploiting human weaknesses like Dr. Yueh. ect.)

And finally, you have the Messiahs. The idols. God King Emperors. The Caesar Augustus and Jesus Christ types. The one's who fundamentally change the world and humanity for thousands of years. The promise of one of these types emerging is profound and intoxicating. If one could synthesize what makes them so successful beyond simple observations of charisma, then they wouldn't be so special. The 1940s was one of those times where the world stood on the precipice of having one of these figures. Frank Herbert even likens Paul to mustache man. The point is that 200 years under the despotism of a bureaucrat, ideological zealot or robber baron is inconsequential to the suffering a Genghis Khan can inflict.

What the fuck is this juvenile pseudy word salad trash you've sharted out?

Scifi faggots are so annoying

>>21535702
Don’t listen to this guy, OP. I learned something from your posts

>>21535702
>Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class - whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.
- Politics as Repeat Phenomenon: Bene Gesserit Training Manual

>>21535718
:) Always fun to discuss DUNC

>>21535678
HEY ANON
I am only getting into DUNC now, I've seen the new film and have already purchased the first book too.
What should I do to enhance my experience? I am also very interested in political and ideological undertones in literature.

>>21535678
Bump

>>21535702
>word salad is when there's words

Dunno about the politics, sociological commentary, and all that religious shit. I always thought the appeal of Dune to channers was found in imagining something more fundamental. Like, if we were all transported to the desert wastes of Arrakis and ...

*poof*
OP: "Check out these Dubs."
Hapless Fremen: "...?"
*rumble*
BTard: "OUTTA THE WAY! WE'RE HERE TO FUCK SANDWORMS!"
420ier: "Trade you some crystal for some spice? Oh hai. Is that a sandworm?"
OP: "DUBZ!"
Etc...

>>21536745
I dislike most books I've read because the words are in a seemingly random order. No pattern behind it, nothing. Picrel is the only exception. I found it structured, logical and satisfying. I wish more books were like this

>>21535678
are you the guys from twitter that make AI pics of a roman version of the buddha?

>>21535678
Bumpus

>>21535678
>>21535679
Thanks for your posts.

>>21536662
reeee

>>21535702
seems fine. >>>/tv/ is that way

>>21536751
Words that start with Bs going after words that start with As is just arbitrary, not logical.

>>21535678
>>21535679
Dnr

>>21535678
Any thesis on politics that does not take into account the Jewish question can be disregarded. Dune is a great read but looking to it for lessons applicable to life is peak midwit. All 21st century politics is a response to Jewish power, either to enforce its agenda or to challenge it. They are the Kingmakers of the modern world and ignoring this reality is either an earnest cope or a deliberate Obfuscation.

>>21536745
>>21536998
Not him, the post starts out okay but it starts to meander half-way and fails to communicate a point in a succinct manner.

>>21538706
True, Jews do control us, but I believe DUNC can provide insight into how real power slithers into the hands of people

>>21536662
mix mescaline and cocaine; practically the irl equailent of the spice.

ketamine for tleilaxu path.

>>21539260
Alright very funny

>>21536751
kek

>>21535702
>i'm too stupid to understand what you said

Dune is actual Midwit-core and I say this as a dune scholar. Frank Herbert was a shroomhead and argued against himself in endless circles. Don’t try to extract an overarching message from it. It’s a soup of psychedelia and undisguised fetishes.

>>21535678
>AIslop OP
>Word salad
>Dunc is the best sci-fi ever guys
You're taking this too seriously fiction is for entertainment not politics.

>>21535678
>Given what we are learning about MLK
Hmmm?

>>21535678
Dune isn't as deep as you attribute it to being. Your insight is profound, but Dune relies more on pretense and presentation than critical thinking or rational analysis; it holds certain truths to be self-evident without even stating what they are, much less subjecting them to any real scrutiny.

Fuedal societies being the best at expansion, for example. An unchallenged assumption with no basis in fact, with no argument given as to why it should be so.

In Dune, everyones motivation is so hamfisted, their paths are so clear, it is a dotted line leading from point A to point B. He approaches soft science as if it were hard reality, treats ideology and demagaugery as if it were realpolitik. Herbert makes too many assumptions about people and the way they behave, he takes to many liberties with his stories and their plots and expects us not to notice that he has basically written Lawrence of Arabia in space.

>>21540540
Its not to say I don't like Dune, I do! but I get so sick of sycophants jumping on the bandwagon and calling Herbert 'the greatest and most insightful writer to have ever lived' and similiar statements. He was good, he was in the right place at the right time, but was he truly 'great', or were his works derivative?

>>21540513
its just a racist dogwhistle, ignore it.
people spreading misinformation about the freedom riders and the civil rights movement.

>>21540540
I mean, if you like Dune, just do me a favor and watch Lawrence of Arabia. Just watch it, then come back to me and tell me what you think about 'Dune'.

>>21538713
that's still not what word salad means. Word salad means literal nonsense.

>>21540549
Your line sounds like lefty indoctrination, a preprogrammed dismissal of data that doesn't fit the script.
t. brown american

>>21540513
Probably referring to the pre-release info saying that some of the stuff getting declassified in 2027 proves MLK was present and laughing while friends of his gang raped a white christian woman.

>>21540586
Was she cute?

>>21535752
>I was saying that we ought to go back entirely. Do you understand? I have no objection to what you call progress; but all these universities, these seminaries, these popular schools, these students, these sons of priests and cobblers, all this rubbish, this filth from the bottom of the sack, this small ownership, worse than the *proletariat*" (the general enumerated all these in a tone of deep disgust), "that is what terrifies me. We must pause and go back. He again cast a friendly regard towards Litvinof. Yes, we must put the drag on. Remember that nobody among us even asks for these things; nobody claims these so-called rights. Self-government, for instance; does anybody ever wish for such a thing? Do you wish for it? Is it you, ladies, who not only govern yourselves, but also make us do whatever you wish?" A waggish smile lighted up the face of the general. "My dear ladies, why should we act like the hare who runs into danger in order to avoid it? The democrats are satisfied; they are, for the moment, almost ready to flatter us and enter into our views; but it is a two-edged blade. The old system was better, much more safe. Never let the rabble reason as to right and wrong; trust in the aristocracy, who have all the power. I assure you that would be much better. As to progress, I have really nothing to say against progress. Only don't give us advocates and judges, and don't interfere with military discipline; beyond that, you are free to build bridges, and docks, and hospitals, and I don't see why the streets should not be lighted with gas."
—Ivan Turgenev, Smoke (1868)

>>21540558
>brown american
well that's an oxymoron

>>21540586
OP here. Basically MLK used Christian messaging of equality and judging individuals by character to build his movement. The FBI wanted to cut off the head of this new ideology by destroying the leader. They gathered up dirt that he had 40+ affairs, orgies, and was complicit in rapes. And as I said before beurocracies/ideologies/leaders are constantly in a flux for power.

MLK's ideology won out in the public consciousness. But like I said in the op, beurocracies are methodical and very hard to kill. So the FBI has sat on this evidence for decades. They lost the battle on civil rights, and have thus sought out new enemies to justify their existence.

>>21538706>>21539212

the modern world is built by the freemasonic revolutions to kill feudalism, and freemasons are just following judaism for gentiles

And saying that peasants should care about politics is exactly the propaganda that the freemasons used in order to take power

>>21540891
>And saying that peasants should care about politics is exactly the propaganda that the freemasons used in order to take power
Ironic that you should say that, neo-peasant

>>21535678
>All I have to say is that I pretty much worship Frank Herbert's Dune series for
stopped rading about here, get some taste pleb

>>21536751
Have a (you) faggot, made me chuckle

>>21540718
The government didn't want MLK's ideology to be destroyed by any means, if anything they were the ones pushing it to the public. The (supposed) fact that his abhorrent personal life was "classified" by those same agencies attests to this. Integration was a FAR more favorable stance on blacks compared to the more radical Malcolm X/Black Panther types gaining traction at that time. The government had everything to gain by promoting teamwork between races living in its county, compared to the alternative of blacks seceding and creating their own ethnostate like Malcolm X/The Black Panthers wanted. If you want actual ideological warfare on the part of the government, look up the FBI's actions against the Black Panthers.

OP you seem like a nice guy but you need to read more before you start posting sophistry, you look like a pseud

>>21535678
EH it's pretty mid

>>21539722
>soup of psychedelia and undisguised fetishes.

can you recommend a series that does this better?