/lit/ - Literature

>>21481814
>Doesn’t /d/ have some smut general they [progression fantasy readers and other degenerates] can fuck off to?
They could, if they wanted to. But like the trannies in reddit and discord, it is not enough that they enjoy their medium in the privacy of their life; not enough that people merely tolerate their existence; not enough that what they deem it acceptable — others must relish in it, praise it, and worst of all, join it. Like pigs who revel in shit, others must join the party. Shitty-dipping, by their definition, is for everyone. They, and only they, have found the meaning of life, it being the never ending consumption of sub par smut written by kiss less virgins whose only reason to keep on living is to expound their malignant thoughts on others. They have a deep hatred of women, the only other sex on the face of the Earth, who have, in their combined efforts decided to strike down all beta males but at the same time, it is women themselves, who are in the very center of their plays; harems being the ultimate locus of their secular desires. The progression fantasy reader is thus, by his definition, fighting a social oppression and their life's work is to preach their evangelium to other men, who have not yet found the truth of women. In short, in their love and hate for women, they have forsook real women in their lives and have settled for crude caricatures mimicking their ideal woman; a creature of no autonomous thought, a being of a singular desire — to please the litRPG man. Like a dog worship's its owner, the anime-man demands the respect of women non-existent.

read them

>>21481988
based

>>21481988
based
Gass all harem authors and readers.

>>21481997
Can the Chinese write actual characters or only soulless bugmen like ones from Three Body Problem?

Hi guys
I don't know about you but I was thinking of separating science fiction from fantasy as a general, I think this would improve the quality of the discussion.
/sfg/, /fg/ I can start creating the generals in the next thread.
What do you think?

>>21481997
>female author
>books released in the last 5 years
>strong female lead character

>>21482001
Yes. Almost finished the 2nd book and there are quite a few good characters
>>21482004
>reddit frog

>>21482004
She's also a seething foid who hates men and is a shameless shill for the Chinese government.

>>21482002
There is no inherent difference between science fiction and fantasy. It is all speculative fiction and most writers of either end up writing both.
>>21482005
It is over Ms. Kuang. We are not reading it.
>>21482004
Even more reason not to read.

Prove to me that you read books, not just skim Goodreads to shit on whatever is popular.

>>21482007
>>21482005
Idk man the second anon sounds more convincing. I didn't know it was a woman who wrote it.

>>21482012
>not just skim Goodreads to shit on whatever is popular.
I don't think I've ever read a book that was popular on goodreads.

There's only 58 days left until Lord of Mysteries Book 2. Kino incoming, webnovel bros

>>21482002
well, /fg/ looks nice

>>21482001
Yes they can

>>21482032
we hate anime here

>>21481988
I just like catgirls bro no need to seethe this much

>>21482012
The only way one could prove that would be to ask some question about the book that you could not easily answer by googling. Anything else is just taking people's word for it. I could list here all the books I've read and stand on my shelves but that wouldn't accomplish anything now would it?

>What would a true question look like then?

One should be able to word the question so that answers are not found explicitly i.e., I couldn't find the answer by even downloading the book and using the search function. Take Prince of Nothing for example. If I asked what was the color of Akka's eyes, you'd find it in a heartbeat. But if I asked "Are the Cishaurim damned?" then I'd be able to gauge your knowledge of the book in more detail.

>>21482036
I hate it too. The image is just fan art.

any xinxia that aren't trash/ and or MTL?

>>21482059
No. You can return to /d/ now.

>>21482059
I Shall Seal The Heaven
Joy of Life (really good)

>>21482075
ive read mtl better than those

Is Farseer trilogy and rest of the spinoff series worth reading?

>>21482063
We are in /sffg/
Please behave

>>21482090
I've heard of people who have enjoyed it. You may try downloading one in epub format, reading few pages and see if you like the style.

>>21481954
This Dune guide seems good.
Question: I've seen the 2021 film and I don't want to be spoiled by Dune: Part 2. How much of the first book was the film?

>>21482102
The next chapter in the book starts with the epigraph:
>God created Arrakis to train the faithful.
>—from “The Wisdom of Muad’Dib” by the Princess Irulan
Which is about 57 % into the book and this chapter follows the death of Jamis.

The guide is good, and if you enjoy reading Dune, I recommend reading all six of Frank's books. That being said, reading the books will make you enjoy the films less, because the films are no match for the books and for the most parts don't do the books justice.

>>21481954
/tv/ failed me when it comes to fantasy. Had big hopes once Game of Thrones started, but they fucked it all up.
/v/? They have some ok games over decades, but a lot of shit too and video games as a medium are infested with frustrating practices that ruin games. Video game fantasy aesthetics also are not up to my taste.
/lit/, you are my only hope now.
I don't know enough about /co/.

>>21482121
The Darkness That Comes Before
Dune
Witcher
Conan
Lyonesse
The Once and Future King
Gormenghast
Lord of the Rings
The Lord of Light

>>21482090
I've only read the first one, and it was years back.
I remember it being depressing, and it seemed follow a pattern where each chapter would alternate between things going well for the MC and then falling apart, to the point that it got predictable.

>>21482121
My pulpils dilated, my scalp went numb, and I couldn't help but lampoon inwardly that this anon wouldn't like Lord of the Mysteries. Sad!

>>21482135
>Lord of the Mysteries
Anon comes asking for good recommendations are you offer him a translated chinese webnovel. There is a special place in literary hell for the likes of you.

>>21482135
As I said, I don't know much about fantasy (or in general) webnovels or comics, can't judge the state of them. I have seen some Conan comics (by Dark Horse, I think) with some nice art and that's about it.

>>21481997
Overrated with so many people just focusing on MUH ASIAN FANTASY as the selling point.

>>21482120
I see. Thank you anon.

>>21482151
>I don't know much about fantasy webnovels or comics
Well, compared to traditionally published western literature... Well, there is no proper comparison. Perhaps an allegory will do.
Imagine you have a choice, a well made movie versus a high school play. Or perhaps you could listen to some artist on spotify or hear one of your amateur friends play a guitar. Maybe you could choose between a car made by one person or a BMW. In short, webnovels are, for the most part, long, neverending shit, that is unedited, full of plotholes (because authors have not outlined it thorougly) and constant branching of plots and things happening. They are not works of art, rather, they are trains of thought. While a traditionally published novel is a work of art that has taken couple of years to write and edit, webnovels push out chapters weekly or monthly with no end in sight. It's a public view into one man's jerking. The quality of self published smut is known well to be invariably bad while with traditionally published western works the quality is generally better and you can find genial works much, much, much more often than you'd find in some dark corner of the internet where some machine translated chinese shit exists.

>>21482157
Google Literal Chinese translations of world country names and you will be left wondering what the fuck. It's amazing they are able to write books.

>>21482126
You seem to be a person of good taste and never having read Bakker, seeing him on such a generally accurate chart, I might just get memed into him.

>>21482120
I don't think you can have a film that covers all the bases of the book in a reasonable amount of time. The most recent Dune film shows this.

Dying Earth (as in the book not the genre) wasn't that great desu
Is BOTNS the best we'll get?

>>21482201
I find it amusing that nowadays in /sffg/ there pervades this idea that just because something is "memed" it must be bad. A couple years back, Bakker was all the rage — for a long time after The Unholy Consult was published people were discussing at length the intricacies of his works. No wonder then, people used to vote him their favorite author here by a landslide.
>Something happened then?
Yes, like tides changes, so do generals. Old timers went away and new friends came along, but the discussion of Bakker never seized but took other forms. There were fights between Sandersoys and Bakkerchads, Sanderson eventually losing the battle for literary merit and even now its accepted Brandon is a hack, while Bakker is said to be the king.
>How did we end up him being a meme?
He is a meme, but depending on whom you ask you get different answers. While the Bakker discussion continued, new people supposed that the author must be controversial and better yet avoided. The truth of his meme is however, that he is a brilliant author and it is the biting irony of time that can change a divided group's perception of a single man, especially when that group is a ever changing. Such is then the unfortunate fate of a new fag who comes here just to disregard Bakker outright; being spared his prosaic genius. Like the ebb and flow of ideologies according ot Hegelian dialectics, the Bakker discussion is now erring on the favor of his haters, but I have an inkling that in the years to come, his place as a cult classic returns once again.
>TL;DR
Bakker is one of the best contemporary fantasy writers, and his status as the locus of discussion has been perverted in the course of time to such degree, people don't take recommendations concerning him seriously.

>>21482248
Didn't read also Bakker is a talentess hack cope more

>>21482121
>>21482126
>>21482201
>>21482248
Blatant samefagging.

>>21482266
Just because the conversation doesn't go your way doesn't mean there's a samefag.

>>21482266
Nah, anon, I'm just genuinely depressed over the state of fantasy shows and films (to a lesser extent over vidya) and came here to vent. As for Bakker, I have not read his stuff, I just know he is posted here a lot and his books are edgy.
Not sure if I need extra edge in my life at the moment.

>>21482271
Oh crap, what can i do against such strong proofs?

>>21482277
There's little edge to his books. Bakker's style is purple and serious. Any "edge" that there comes to the grim elements. But these grim elements are not tongue-in-cheek edgy-style of Abercrombie, they are merely grim. Teenagers are edgy. Grown men battling in a Holy War, most likely not.

>>21482302
>There's little edge to his books.
There's nothing but edge in his books. You are delusional.

>>21482305
Are the Cishaurim damned?

>>21482305
>Didn't read the book
>Claims to know its style
Concerning

>>21482226
>Dying Earth (as in the book not the genre) wasn't that great desu
I loved it, Vance is so much fun.
>Is BOTNS the best we'll get?
Of course it is. There's never going to be a fantasy novel that's as good.

>>21482288
lol what are you doing here, russian roach? I hear they constantly need new cannon fodder in the war, have you voluntered yet?

Boy this general went to shit since I was last here. Guess I'll find somewhere else to discuss Book of the Long Sun.

>>21482376
Welcome home.

>>21482248
I want to touch a womans's body so bad bros

>>21482389
The feeling will pass if you give it enough time.

I've reached the lowest of lows, I'm reading otome isekai now

>>21482012

you do understand that publishers buy reviews on goodreads the way normies buy likes on instagram, right?

>>21482102

the 2021 film is dogshit. Read the first three books and skip the next movie.

>>21482450
>recommends the worst book (third) but not the third best book (fourth)

>>21481499
>>21481425
No. I just did read the books, thats why it stood out to me. I assumed that they would have given Legolas more of a character.
I think the closest thing he got to a focus was in Loth lorian, and even that was more as a point of exposition.

>>21482376
It's literally the same as always. But I spent a large portion of last year reading Wolfe and went through the entire Solar Cycle again. Long Sun surprised me on the second read, how well written it all was. Wolfe dabbled in space Russian realism with it.

>>21482164
>In short, webnovels are, for the most part, long, neverending shit, that is unedited, full of plotholes (because authors have not outlined it thorougly) and constant branching of plots and things happening. They are not works of art, rather, they are trains of thought. While a traditionally published novel is a work of art that has taken couple of years to write and edit, webnovels push out chapters weekly or monthly with no end in sight.
Lmao, tradfags are deluded. I read hundreds of trad fantasy books before I started webnovels and you know how many trad books I've read since? Only few. To think a popular trad book is that much better than a popular webnovel is utter delusion that makes anyone in the know laugh at you. 'Work of art' my ass, I do agree that a thought-out book is better than a webnovel in SOME aspects, mostly those that matter the most to a truly worthy work of art, but there's a reason why men no longer read tradfantasy. Because it's not noticeably better and webnovels are more compelling.

Market doesn't lie. If tradbooks are obviously better, than why do people read webnovels and self-pub instead? Why are there new companies and other kinds of businesses that focus on editing webnovels and providing authors with audiobook version of their medium to reach wider audiences? Because tradpub is utterly consumed by culture war and people checked out. It's the same thing that happened with comics, manga swallowed the audience. Marvel and DC are on the rock-bottom.

The incessant seething of tradfags who can't comprehend why people don't want to read published trash, prefering to read 'unedited, long and full of plotholes' webnovels is a wonderful. Clueless NPCs that rage and scream because the system they live in cannot account for people leaving and creating their own spaces when the original ones no longer provided them with what need.

Absolutely hilarious, seethe more you precious tradfag retard.

>>21482470
>lives in his small bubble of five people
>thinks it represents all people
>didn't do the his research on book markets
If you did, you'd know you are a negligible minority.

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>>21482483
I will not read The Poppy War
I will not read Cradle
I will not read The Wandering Inn
I will not read Mother of Learning
I will not read I Shall Seal the Heavens

>>21482486
But you will read Prince of Nothing, so i won.

>>21482480
nta but thats fine, no one is forcing anyone to read anything, I will leave traditionally published (by jewish and women with 25 abortions behind her traditional publishers) novels for you to read. I will read self published.

>>21482470
Holy based.

>>21481988
>just read the seven books
>hey this is fun, let's talk about it on /lit/
>good morning good people, what do you think about Bakker and his books?
>jesus christ

So, what's a good book about dwarves, vikings, space wolves I don't know, just want some bearded guys drinking ludicrous amounts of alcohol and killing people with axes and seeing that as the good side of life. I tried some books in these settings but is all brooding, muh wife, muh honor, muh dead family and so on. Any book where people have a murderhobo culture and are happy about it?

>>21482566
You expect rationality and cold logic from drunkards who aren't even capable of having a shave at least once a month. Good luck with that.

>>21481954
Leviathan Wakes, The Expanse #1 - James S.A. Corey [Daniel Abraham & Ty Franck] (2011)

I tried reading this in 2011, but I wasn't interested enough at the time after reading a few chapters. Four years later I began watching the TV series and watched all of it as it aired. I've also read many of Abraham's other books during that time. Now that it's roughly a year later after both the tv and book series have ended, I thought that I'd try again. The book has now joined the evergrowing list of critically acclaimed and/or highly popular series that it seems I didn't give enough chance. This is the first time I've finished the first book of a series after finishing its tv series. Surprisingly, I wasn't bothered at all by knowing everything that would happen. I almost always go to the source material first for tv series, but not movies. I'm interested to see how that goes as I read more.

This is a space opera series in which both authors empathetically say that it isn't hard SF. For the most part it tends towards a relatively conservative realism of what human society may be like a few centuries from now in terms of technological and social progress, as compared to most science fiction I've seen. For the first few books everything stays within the solar system. The authors have stated that they wanted this series to be about when humans first began exploring beyond the solar system. The only thing that bothers me is the populations of the planets and moons, 30 billion for Earth, 9 billion for Mars, and other absurd numbers elsewhere. The reasons for these numbers are given later in the tv series, which I assume are the same in the book, and are highly unsatisfactory.

The story alternates between two viewpoints, even when they're literally feet apart from each other. One is a self-righteous idealist with a savior complex on a merchant vessel who finds himself pushed into stellar events. The other is a cynical and nihilistic detective who becomes obsessed with a case that becomes his sole reason for living. The cast of characters are quite enjoyable and there aren't any that I disliked, as I think they're well-written and developed. In terms of plot it means the former is escaping from a series of disasters while trying to save the solar system and the latter is pursuing an obsession.

It's difficult for me to compare the first book and the first and second seasons six/seven years out, so I'll just say that they have their own strengths and weaknesses. I don't mind the changes the TV series made of what I've read so far. The characters in the book feel better, particularly in terms of their humanity and emotionality. There's also considerably more worldbuilding details and the inner monologue. I may come to like the book series more by the end. I'm highly motivated to enjoy this series. I very much want to like it despite it not quite being what I ideally want, but it's both close and rare enough though that it suffices.

Rating: 4.5/5

>>21481988
Based.

Bakker is king and truth shines

>>21482483
>Read I Shall Seal the Heavens
I actually tried it, it's not good. Dropped it twice, and won't pick it up again.

>>21481954
I've seen Project Hail Mary brought up as an example of good modern SF. What does /sffg/ think?

>>21482638
The martian but good

>muh tradpub
>muh selfpub
Why one or the other? Just read stories you like from both formats you losers. Refusal to consider one makes you either a pretentious twat or a contrarian shiteater. It's time for you to ascend.

Anyway, anyone here follow any sff magazines they would recommend? I'd like to pick up some contemporary pulpy kind of short story collections and I'm not sure where else they'd be besides magazines or royal road.

>>21482649
It's more that traditional publishing is seen as succeeding as a writer.

>>21482649
>contrarian
Cool 2010s /v/ buzzword.

>>21482638
>Film rights have been purchased by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. Drew Goddard (who adapted The Martian, Weir's traditional publishing debut, into a 2015 film) is slated to adapt the book into a film, in which actor Ryan Gosling plans to star as Grace

>>21482649
Tradpublishing is ran by a cabal of fat mid-thirties women. If your book, and who you are, doesn't cater to them then its way less likely to be published. Reminder that most traditionally published books can barely break a few thousand copies.

Its been hollowed out by HR

Never read Bakker, will never read Bakker.

>>21482638
> Starting with the story on board the spacecraft Hail Mary where Ryland Grace regains his memory in bursts. This story is frequently intercut with flashbacks
another the woke up on spaceship with no memories trope

>>21482700
This is a symptom of the fact that men do not read. If more men read, they would feel pressure to publish shit that appeals to men. Money talks, and there's no money in publishing for men.

>>21482750
>publish good books
>men read
>slowly start subverting the popular genres that men read
>men do not read
>"if only men read more (bought more books) we could publish more books that appeal to men"

>>21482700
And selfpub is controlled almost entirely by Amazon's monopoly due to their exclusivity requirement and is throttled by their algorithm that demands authors release a new story every month or be buried forever. It will never become the dominant market in those circumstances. Ideally, publishing houses would redirect their resources and start helping self pub authors get their work out there for a flat fee but they won't do that until closer to the end I think.
>>21482750
The success of authors in litrpg, progression, and haremlit genres shows that men do, in fact, read but would rather read stories about cool dudes slaying monsters and fucking bitches than whatever edgy grimdark shit the few male authors still in tradpub are putting out.

>>21482164
Montecristo started as stories published in a newspaper

>>21482750
Men jumped ship to video games because women demographics weren't perverting them to the same extent.

>>21482767
>>21482770
So why don't we see litrpg on the shelves of Barnes and Nobles? If so many men [citation needed] are reading, where are the books? Either men are willing to read but refuse to pay, which is still our fault, or men are not reading in the numbers you think they are.

>>21482770
>>21482750
eh , there's more to it than that. Can't twitter shame a self-published book out of printing (yet...) and if you don't have an in with the booktube sphere then good luck publishing your lgdbq+ book anywhere BUT self publish.

It's an industry problem , not an audience problem.

>>21482798
you want the same answer 3 times or are you just dense?

>>21482812
You didn't answer. All you said was hur dur royal road exists checkmate. Nobody pays for litrpg on royal road, the barriers to entry are essentially nonexistant for English speakers. Arbitrary view counts that are calculated when people click on a tile do not equate to male readership, nor do the fist loads of .99 cent harem lit with 200 reviews. It's not additive, you're counting the same audience over again.

Again, where are the male readers? If this market is as popular as you're claiming, why hasn't someone come along and tradpublished all these works and made fistloads off of it?

>>21482798
Amazon, royalroad, web novel sites

Barnes and noble only sell progressive books from (((trad))) publishers to women and male npcs

>>21482820
but Light Perpetual by Sapkowski is very recent traditional pub

>>21482818
Amazon exclusivity contracts , duh!
You really don't know anything about the industry , do you?

>>21482820
Barnes and Noble is a fucking business with shareholders that do not give two flying fucks about agendas. They exist solely to make money, and would gladly gobble up anything that does so. This boogeyman of the evil tradpublish gatekeeping industry does logically make sense because publishers do not have monopolies on the distributers. Those companies don't give a fuck who purchases paper/binding. Anyone with capital can come along and print books and sell them to BaN.

>>21482798
You mean the shelves at barnes and noble filled with an ever-increasing amount of isekai manga?

Tradpub won't publish stories for men because men don't buy tradpub books and men don't buy tradpub books because tradpub doesn't publish stories for men. It's a cyclical problem that won't be solved until tradpub decides it actually wants the male audience back and is willing to publish stories men want.

>>21482833
>shareholders that do not give two flying fucks about agendas
haha

>>21482828
You're talking about specific works, we're talking about an entire genre of "male centric lit." Great, the books already published there are stuck there. Doesn't matter, find a funding author and buy his next works. You don't know shit about shit and just want to be buttmad and point fingers at some industry boogeyman.

>>21482836
Manga isn't literature, it's comics. It also is not exclusive to men, a point I made earlier that was ignored. Plenty of women in that 1 (one) manga aisle.

>>21482833
This >>21482828 probably also plays a big part. I had forgotten that amazon's exclusivity also applies to paper formats and not just other publishing websites.
>>21482845
>bro just jump exclusively from one format to another and split or alienate your audience
Nah.

>>21482845
eh , that should come soon enough if things keep going like this. Not this year , for sure , but I bet by '24-'25 you'll see that too.

It's trendy for women to read. Men are interested in gym, video games, movies. Look at your zoomies right now. Do you think they are interested in reading? No, kiddo.

Oh by the way. Men are still making much more money as authors than women.

>>21482855
this isn't twitter , you can write more if you want in your post

>>21482827
Not read it but from plot summary it looks like some white knight story. Wouldn't be surprised if targeted audience is actually females.

Gandalf 1488 the White

Plot summary doesn't do the Hussite trilogy any justice.
Also
>men and women can't enjoy same books

>>21482863
What do you mean

Matt Dinniman on self publishing in /scifi/

"The first book I wrote that was actually self published was Dominion of Blades, and I made more money the first week it was out than in my entire career before that combined, including all the prizes, pro fees from short stories, and three trad published books. The world has changed. I don't think a large publisher will ever make sense in this genre until they can understand the rapid release requirements. Some of the new smaller presses (Like Aethon and Mountaindale) understand, but a big New York house is too cumbersome gain a foothold in this world.

That said, if I ever publish another standalone book, I will consider going back to trad publishing."


https://www.reddit.com/r/scifi/comments/v3fspx/i_am_matt_dinniman_the_author_of_the_dungeon/iayh32r/

>>21482872
stories for actual men likely would not be of interest to women (no drama, no whiteknighting, no garbage relationships, story focused entirely on events that have nothing to do with women or things women are interested in)

Yes, women, feminine men, npcs can and do enjoy the same books.

>>21482882
>rapid release
>less edited garbage
I'll stick to pre-2000 trad pub thank you. There's enough good books to last a lifetime

Also what the fuck is that book covers holy shit litrpg seems cringe as fuck

>>21482891
Didn't know I was talking to an actual incel here. Unlike you, I don't blame women and Jews for my personal failings.

>>21482902
holy heck where can I upvote this post?????

>>21482902
Who do you blame then?

>>21482912
No one, I focus on self improvement. Finding made up enemies won't get me anywhere.

>>21482898
That cover is appropriate to the contents. Litrpg is not a genre, those are not books. It's like some AI made script that goes on for 200 pages describing someone playing a videogame but with some names changed to avoid copyrights.

To think once I complained about kids reading Harry Potter. Ah, the good old days.

>>21482898
it's pulp , don't act like you don't know what a pulp cover is

But yeah , both the cover and the summary don't do the book justice , it's a common complaint from people that were on the fence because of it.

>>21482916
>normal, well-adjusted human being
>on /sffg/
you need to leave

>>21482925
You fucking wish it was a pulp cover

>>21482931
I fucking wish you were a pulp cover

>>21482916
I see. If you fail due a woman/man/jew/yourself, you don't blame anyone? You forget and just carry on?
That's a real cuck mentality if I've ever seen one.

>>21482949
>incel took seven whole minutes to think up this weak ass comeback

>2014 newfag argues with a 2019 newfag: colorized (2023)

>>21482949
In your depiction of the world where women and Jews are responsible for everything. What else can you do? The system won't help you. Your type of thinking makes you a slave of your thinking. You'll never escape the cage of your own making until you change your mind. You have nothing to lose but your bitterness.

>>21482952
there is no rush here, consider yourself lucky it only took me 7 minutes

>>21482959
I will blame those who are responsible, be they men, women or jews or anyone else.
Oh I will get on with life but I will also do my best to make them pay.
If you want to forget and move on, that's your choice.

>>21482925
It's not pulp you thick cunt
I'd smash your head into pulp

>>21481997
Has anyone here read Babel by the same author? Is it any good? I saw it for £9 hardback at Waterstones, I might go and gtab it tomorrow

>>21483042
ok boomer

>>21481997
I remember a preamble describing how the main character is discriminated because she was a woman, brown and poor. I instantly knew it was trash being peddled for having an mildly Asian setting and double checking if it have all the marks for the current year crowd.

>>21482126
>Silmarilion S tier

I don't know man....

>>21483098
It's fine, there are others who know.

>>21482632
>>4.5/5

lmao

>>21483170
that it's B tier at best?

>>21483176
What do you think?

>>21483233
Ignore him. He does that for any book rated above a 3

hello. New to the genre.
Is there any recommended book which feels like going through a rabbit-hole?

Is "Cryptonomicon" a good start?

>>21482566
>I want drunk dwarves and vikings
>But i don't want them to act like drunk dwarves and vikings
Are you underaged or just autistic?

I would like to let the anon who recommended me Ken Liu know that I have procured a copy of the Grace of Kings

>>21483338
TITUS GROAN

GOOD LUCK

>>21483355
THANKS ANON

>>21482700
>cabal of fat mid-thirties women
Sounds kind of hot ngl
>>21482891
Have sex

Recommend me some good fantasy books /sffg/bros. I like books with a powerful MC (powerful wizard etc.) and with some romance.

>>21483420
Practical Guide to Evil

>>21483432
Thanks, but I prefer a male MC.

>>21483420
Why are you asking here? Just look at the state of the thread. How retarded do you have to be to even use this general as a place to discuss books or even get recommendations.

>>21483420
Cycle of Fire by Janny Wurts
Riftwar
Elminster (warning: it's shit but it has some Nice battles)
>>21483451
SNEED

>>21483420
The Darkness That Comes Before
Youll thanks me later

>>21483420
You would have better luck asking google, and I’m not even joking. Don’t know why /sffg/ has gone to shit now but it’s pointless to ask here.

>>21483440
I don't know , romance it's the tricky part.

He Who Fights With Monsters could be up your alley but it's a portal fantasy and the MC is not everyone's cup of tea.

Mother of Learning (surprising little romance for a timeloop with teenage wizards) , Wheel of Time , I think some Elminister books have romance.

If you consider The Tier World fantasy then that's a good one.

rec me books where the hero is mentored by an older woman that he eventually marries. bonus points if she had been teaching him since he was a child.

>>21483467
Why are you asking here.

>>21483467
You must be desperate if you're asking here.

>>21483467
Castle Town, more or less.

>>21483467
do you want a human hag or is an Elf fine too? What about Vamprires?

Recommend me some places to discuss sff books and to ask for sff recommendations

>>21483494
race of the female can be anything. male human is preferred but not necessary.

>>21483507
Have you tried searching on your own, given that you’re the one that’s going to be discussing book?

>>21483420
I don't wanna spam this, it has been mentioned several times, but try reading pic related, it's literaly wizard mc with little romance.

Thanks for all the recommendations. Please post more recommendations!

>>21483457
Thanks I have read Riftwar and liked it. I will check out the others.

>>21483459
Thanks. I started reading Darkness That Comes Before but stopped because of irl reasons. I will look at it again.


>>21483465
Thanks, I will check out He Who Fights With Monsters. I have read the Wheel of Time.

>>21483617
I have read the series. It's good!

>>21483617
Spellmonger turned shit after book 1. Started focusing on other people and he stopped crafting his spells. Fuck the Goblin skull. Fuck his apprentices, fuck that series.

>>21483420
pic related
It's popcorn fun. Strong MC who just wants to be left alone, but everyone is trying to use him. No harem shit either.

>>21483055
>buying books from waterstones
ngmi

>>21483709
>Started focusing on other people and he stopped crafting his spells. Fuck the Goblin skull. Fuck his apprentices, fuck that series
I like the first few books, but I stopped reading after that because of the reasons you mentioned. But I think the first three or two books are good.

>>21483709
Spellmonger peaked with books 2-5, focusing on other wizards was fine, war arc was pretty good, it went to shit only when he started focusing on his exgf and his wife.

Also if you are recommending James E Wisher at least recommend Portal Wars Saga, not that trashy urban garbage

Why the fuck are german-inspired fantasy settings so non-existent? And no I don't care about anglo-saxon middle earth or settings which are generally made by Germans but are otherwise not German in the least

>>21483338

Ender's Game is a good starting point for most young readers but might not really be a hit for a more sophisticated or experienced person. Cryptonomicon is not really science fiction, it is historiographic metafiction. It's not bad but it wouldn't be my first rec.

What is your reading background?

>>21483740
I got a gift card for Christmas, I normally just read books from the library

>>21483749
>Also if you are recommending James E Wisher at least recommend Portal Wars Saga, not that trashy urban garbage
You noticed the guy asked for romance, right? Portal War Saga he was a heartless edge lord.

>>21483843
Read the Turnip Princess

>>21483843
Germans can't write. It's their job to write about their own culture but they have produced nothing good in a hundred years.

I swear, I don’t know how these get shittier and shittier by the day. Fuck sakes. This thread was created at the dead at night but somehow, shitposters and other threadshitters still ruin it.

>>21483853
Yea, I consider myself to not be that "inexperienced" however I distanced myself a lot from reading fiction.

Really enjoyed Dosto/Tolstoi (russians in general) and, regarding non fiction, I prefer topics regarding religion and theater. Last year I mostly read theater (which is usually short, in comparison with a novel) but unfortunately not a lot.

Thanks for asking, anon.

>>21484095
Where's your great contribution?

>>21484095
Another "why aren't you talking about books on 4chan reeeeeee" post.
Jesus F Christ, go back go r*ddit or shittyreads.

>>21484111

I think you might enjoy "The Algebraist" by Iain M. Banks. Anthologies will also be a good fit, my first rec is Ted Chiang's "Stories of your life and others" followed closely by "The Best of Michael Swanwick"

>>21484154
How old are you?

>>21484163
Man, the anthologies look great. Thanks for the great picka, anon.

>>21484196
28

Fellowship used to be my least favourite out of the LOTRs books when I was younger but I'm re-reading the entire series again as an adult and I'm gaining a huge appreciation for it. I can understand why a lot of people think it drags but it's comfy and wholesome.

>>21484206
That’s depressing.

>>21484206
doubt

>>21484095
There's no point in trying to have an actual discussion here.

>>21484308
based

>>21484308
Christ, people actually read that garbage? The page alone makes me want to kill myself.

>>21484425
cope

>>21484425
Ignore it, people only read lgbt femininst cuck fiction.

>>21484425
I don’t know how people can read it. I was stumbling throughout the passage. Fuck, MTL is something else entirely. They have to be an ESL to think this is worth reading.

>>21484308
>it's bad because it... le is!
cope readlets

>>21483843
You haven't read Herr Poopenkraftfahrzeug versichaftpflicht???????

>>21484511
>Herr Poopenkraftfahrzeug versichaftpflicht
eternal classic

I read Elantris after listening to Sandersen's class on youtube, and I see his process, but that wasn't a very good book.
Is Mistborn much/at all better?

>>21482002
>split a slow general on an already slower board.
It’ll last a few days and then it’s going to go back to both. Also a lot of the authors write both science fiction and fantasy.

I’m about halfway through The Blade Itself and it’s pretty enjoyable. I do love watching the characters progress, though I could do with a little more inner grief or reflection from Logen. Magic seems a little deus ex machina, but I’m waiting for the big reveal. Also the fact that the Union is a bureaucratic nightmare filled with nepotism and self serving elites leads to some humorous interactions. He will explain more I hope? He leave a lot of open ended things that you essentially deduce, and some clarification would be nice so it’s not just me hoping I guessed right.
>for over a quarter of the book I though the Eaters were vampires
>oof

>>21481954
The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, She wrote Minerva Wakes and the Arhel trilogy, those two books also have mom mc
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, about an ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987, third book in the Frost trilogy) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass, by book three almost every character is pregnant, after book three there's a 20 year time-skip so all the mcs have grown-up children
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987, book three of the Tredana Trilogy) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mc
Bakker is king etc. etc.

>>21482002
Been done many times over the past 6 years, only sffg remains.

>>21484671
Mistborn is pretty good, though I read it when I was a teenager I iirc. I was focused mostly on the magic system which is interesting and the world has some depth to it. Felt more developed overall than Elantris and the second mistborn series(which I think I only read the first book or two of) feels a lot more alive, but I have always been a sucker for fantasy Wild West stuff.

>>21484859

Threadly reminder that mothers can't be protagonists

bretty gud i think
what you think?
discuss..

>>21484879
Discuss what?

>>21484881
good or not

>>21484885
'sarrite. 3.5/5

>>21484877
Untrue, mothers are strong and cute

>>21484890
thanks for the feedback. i mostly agree, although i am a fan of the 10 point system. in my opinion 8/10

>>21484879
I think Paul not giving a fuck about his son dying was funny.

>>21484892

Those are antagonist traits, anon.

>>21484908
Villainess moms are good too, moms can be both.

I'm coming out bros. I love the Thrawn trilogy of Star Wars books. I spent all last year trying to find new fantasy to read but frankly I barely finished any of them. I'm rereading the first thrawn book now and it blows anything I read last year out of the water.

Not even shitposting I love you all

>>21484929
how far did the star wars extended universe end up going before disney axed it? I know the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading?

>>21484929
>Thrawn
>Zahn

>>21484934

Bits and pieces. Courtship stands out as the only real gem.

>>21484926
>middle aged woman with sword and board
That armor better be so enchanted she turns into a 6' tall black guy in a fight.

>>21484929
If you like Zahn read The Icarus Hunt.

>>21484946
Has there ever been a good study on chicks with medieval weaponry? How strong do you have to be to make sticking someone with a pointy stick actually an effective strategy?

>>21482790
>Men jumped ship to video games because women demographics weren't perverting them to the same extent.

And then women perverted that too. What do men even really have left anymore? Tabletop RPGs I guess?

>>21484956
>Tabletop RPGs I guess?
Wheelchair-accessible dungeons saw an end to that as well. To answer your question, men remain in increasingly niche subgroups of other hobbies. The more esoteric something is, the less likely women are to want to get into it.

>>21484955

Let's just say that when you spend 20% of your life bleeding to death by default, the other 80% isn't a big step

>>21484934
Up until New Jedi Order it was fine, after that Troy Denning got his hands on the main books and turned it into shitty early 2000s edge

>>21484946
She doesn't need to because she has feminist magic.

>>21482126
>foundation is A
>sixteen ways is D
It's like you hate fun.

>>21483420
Wheel of Time I’ve tried the series and wasn’t a big fan but my buddy who like fantasy enjoyed it a lot.

>science fiction/fantasy books written by woman author that self inserts her fetishes into her stories, but everyone just sees it as brave social commentary instead of realizing the author is getting off on it
rec them. the more detailed the better

>>21485109
Bujold

pic unrelated

>>21485114
rec me books, not names pls

>>21484955
HEMA nerds do. Sticking unarmored people wouldn't be a problem, but cardio sucks, and they'd be badly disadvantaged armor vs armor. Give the woman a mace or poleaxe and skill might come into play, but with a sword she's going to get outpowered.

>>21484934
>how far did the star wars extended universe end up going before disney axed it?

In the book timeline they went all the way up to the grandchildren of Han and Leia Solo (which is roughly 45 years after the OT). The Legacy comics jumped even further ahead and went 150+ years past the OT with Luke's great grandson and Han and Leia's great great granddaughter being the main characters.

>the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading?

The X-Wing novels are all pretty great. There are also some really great prequel era novels like Darth Plagues and the Darth Bane Trilogy. But for post ROTJ stuff the pinnacle is the NJO (New Jedi Order). It's a 19 book series that gets some flak for having weird antagonists but it's definitely worth your time. It was originally planned as the ending for the post ROTJ timeline and it shows because everything after it is just crap. Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi that followed it are barely readable imo and only worth it if you really want to see where everyone ended up before the buyout happened.

>>21484968
>The more esoteric something is, the less likely women are to want to get into it.
Very true. That fact really is our saving grace right now.

>>21485115
Try google

what are some of your guilty pleasure reads?

>>21483843
germany is already a fantasy setting since germany isn't real, retarded frogposter.

>>21484934
>I know the original Thrawn trilogy was pretty good but were any other parts of it worth reading?
Galaxy of Fear, the Star Wars Goosebumps knock-offs.

>>21484859
Which book has the sluttiest mom?

So I read Wolfe, Bakker, Herbert, Tolkien, Le Guin and some more guys in the big league. Where do you go after that? Are there any hidden gems of the genre or is this it? Will it ever be this good again?

>>21485405
Picrel. Keep meaning to get back and finish the series. Or browse Amazon and see what they let be published in the erotica section. Honestly I wonder how bad of whiplash I gave the algorithm going from erotica to military scifi.

>>21485405
>guilty pleasure
s don't exist

>>21485435
My diary.

>>21485124
give her a dagger and she can stab the guy after seducing him

>>21482002
you can't split up a general bro, you're not a super janny, go make a SF thread, I'll go to it, I hate fantasy myself

>>21485437
Read whatever you want. You're an adult.

>>21485437
Read Malazan

>>21483338
The Illuminatus! Trilogy

>>21484879
Why are you asking us?

>>21485546
Yeah, but I want to read good shit. Any recs doc?
>>21485605
Gonna try that, I think is the last one in the list. I hope it is better than Hyperion.

>>21485634
>Any recs doc?
There's a chart in the OP.

>>21485619

absolutely based

>>21485124
>Give the woman a mace or poleaxe and skill might come into play, but with a sword she's going to get outpowered.
The opposite. Swords are where skill is more important. All you need is one good poke to the chest.

There were plenty of women who served as soldiers and got in sword fights. Like Catalina de Erauso.

>>21485667
>There were plenty of women who served as soldiers and got in sword fights.
People here don't care about that. They only have a pop-cultural understanding of history.

>>21485619
haha I've been wanting to read RAW for a while. thanks anon!

>>21483338
iron dragon's daughter

>>21482002
It’s stupid as fuck. /sffg/ is shit because people don’t report the obvious shitters and shitposters. Making separate generals won’t fix shit if they are allowed to ruin the generals.

>>21485761
Seems too much work for it. Why do that when you could just go to a different website.

>>21485761
I like the fact that this thread was made at the dead at night at my time, yet the first ten posts have nothing to do with books.

>>21485830
Yeah, the shitposters make it their mission to make /sffg/ unusable. It’s why trying to use this place as a way to discuss books is downright stupid.

>>21485830
>people talking about things I don't like mean they aren't talking about books

>>21485851
First ten posts already disproves your point. So I don’t know what the fuck you’re trying to argue.

>>21485851
You do know people can just scroll up and see that this thread started off poorly, right?

>>21485872
All the threads start off early, but the recent threads have been shittier than usual.

>>21485876
Winter vacation.

>>21485435
Skinwalkers and To Sail Beyond the Sunset.
Sioned from sunrunner gets gangraped but that doesn't count
The mom from Dragon Gate isn't slutty but pretty much everyone is attracted to her, much to her shock since she's isn't used to it.
One of the moms of Fifth Millenium was a literal prostitute when she was young (forced prostitution) and the other one is a barbarian that fucks everything that moves because it's part of her culture (including women of course)

>>21485109
Rec what?

>>21484859
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>21485851
What the fuck are you on about? The first 50 to 70 posts are a schizophrenic mess that should have gotten the thread deleted if this was any other board.

>>21485904
>The first 50 to 70 posts are a schizophrenic mess that should have gotten the thread deleted if this was any other board.
If only we were that lucky.

>>21485857
The first 10 posts are all about books

>>21484859
How did you forget the Broken Earth series?

>>21485909
The first ten posts are shitposts. Jesus Christ, you don’t think I would scroll up and see it.

>>21485909
What thread are you seeing?

>>21485427
You just unlocked some memories

>>21485909
Why are you lying?

>>21485887
>Winter vacation
Then why isn’t the rest of /lit/ sufferings

>>21485949
Jannies and miss deleting shit threads

what are some books with tsunderes?

>>21485960
Ask google.

>>21485899
What the fuck is wrong with YOU?
yeah i thought so
>>21485915
I don't like black people
>>21485960
Belgariad

>>21485915
>>21485970
just kidding, i just never got around reading it.

>>21485976
Yeah. We know, you’re in /lit/. Why would you ever read.

>>21485970
>What the fuck is wrong with YOU?
Nothing. The fuck is wrong with you and your disgusting mommy fetish.

These are almost all posts about books. To continue to argue otherwise IS shitposting.

>>21485891
>the other one is a barbarian that fucks everything that moves because it's part of her culture (including women of course)
So she's also pregnant most of the time, right? Because you can't really just fuck around casually without any protection.

>>21485984
They really aren’t. I don’t know why you keep trying to defend it, let alone waste time on it.

>>21485984
I see, I'm just arguing with an idiot. I should have known better given that this is /sffg/, but still.

>>21485984
First post is just bringing bullshit from the last thread to the new thread for no reason. Second post is a bot post and the rest of the posts just made sure that this thread would die before it even got a chance.

>>21485984
Christ, if this is “discussing” books is to you, then no wonder this general is useless.

>>21485634
>Yeah, but I want to read good shit.
Then don't read genre fiction books.

>>21485667
Armor vs armor. Nobody was wearing full plate in the 17th century. That's showing up to a gun fight while also carrying a sword.

>>21486040
Go away bot.

>>21485960
Any self-publish garbage books.

>>21486046
Go away reddit

>>21486040
Why do you keep posting this Reddit series.

>>21486073
It’s a bot.

>>21486073
because this is a 4chan series. An example of reddit series would Gideon the Ninth or something like that.

>>21485977
rude

>>21486102
>because this is a 4chan series
Someone posted a passage, and it reeks of reddit, so no.

>>21486123
That’s because it is. Only esl retards like it.

>>21486123
are you new here? Progressive literature with a modern progressive agenda is a reddit thing, Reverend Insanity is the complete of opposite of that.

>>21485437
Vance

>>21486154
Keep lying to yourself.

>>21485993
You should have known better.

>>21486210
I'm still holding out.

>>21485437
Read some books from past Hugo and Nebula awards, not just winners but nominees. Obviously pre 2000

>>21485989
Just stop replying to him.

>>21484308
People here actually read this garbage?

>>21486228
No

>>21486104
It’s the truth.

>>21486219
Okay

>>21486025
This.

>>21486228
To call them people would be a stretch

>>21486178
What? Are you saying I am wrong? Is traditional white man literature is now reddit and progressive LGBTQ+ literature written by feminists and praised by New York Times is 4chan? Was I suddenly transported to another universe?

>>21486228
Making a lot of assumptions that they’re people.

>>21486265
Do you actually believe in the stupid bullshit you spew out or is this all some sort of elaborate bit?

>>21486154
>traditional white man literature
>by Gu Zhen Re

>>21486285
Yes, I do. This is why I am here, the only the place on the internet that still allows free discussion. Reddit with their identity politics is the very oppposite of 4chan.

>>21486298
He is clearly an exception. I think asians could write good literature but only if they can to break their ccp or cultural programming imposed on them, which Mr Gu Zhen Ren clearly did.

>>21486321
>Asians
>Making good literature
You really need to get out of your bubble. Your grasp on reality is tenuous.

I like reading fantasy books written by women. :)

>>21486327
The author of RI has done it, and he is asian. Honestly maybe it was just luck, I don't know.

>>21484308
How many comma splices did you guys find? Whoever "translated" this didn't know his basic grammar.

>>21485437
Then go read classics outside SFF.

>>21486405
>Whoever "translated" this didn't know his basic grammar.
Its machine translated. No person would ever translate that garbage.

>>21485984
The interesting this is though that only 2 messages were deleted from this thread by the janitors and none of them were mine, even though my experience is that whenever I start come here to talk some sense into progressions fantasy retards there arises massive outcries of "shit thread once again" and janitors come to clean me away.

>>21486433
That was probably just a redditor tourist who got lost on his way to r*ddit. Redditors tend to delete their messages few minutes after posting them.

I've been looking at these threads for a week and got only one worthwhile recommendation (Gormeghast) and learned that there are only two genres people read: pre 2000s stuff and amazon ebook smut "fantasy". A vocal minority advocates for really bad Chinese cultivation stuff. I'm not sure what I was expecting from 4chan.

>>21481954
Finished The Pastel City, first novel of the Viriconium stories. And I won't be reading any others. It's similar to Wolfe and Vance, but without the imagination, the characters, pacing or beauty of those two. I do understand now why it's almost never talked about.

>>21486491
You got plenty more. Lyonesse, Dying Earth, Book of the New Sun, Solaris, A Scanner Darkly, Fifth Head of Cerberus, Conan. For post 2000 John C. Wright is pretty decent, his recent Superluminary is top quality pulpy science fiction that somehow manages to have planet system sized human fleets fight space vampires for galactic domination, but never gets too corny and manages to be engaging over the entire course of the series while consistently bombarding you with more and more insane concepts.

>>21486491
Don’t use /sffg/ for book discussions or tk get book recommendations. It’ll be nothing more than a waste of time for you.

>>21486491
>only worthwhile recommendation (Gormenghast)
You are welcome, sir. People who have appreciated Gormenghast might also enjoy The Darkness That Comes Before.

>>21486491
Check the sci-fi and fantasy charts in the mega, and use common sense.

>>21486491
>Gormeghast

But that's not fantasy. It's an alt-history borefest.
Are you sure you don't just want historic fiction?

>>21486588
>alt-history
History of what place?
>Borefest
You couldn't even finish it

I'm sorry, sir. Your opinion counts for nothing.

>>21486602
historic
ficrtion

deal with it , grandpa

>>21486608
>its historical fiction
Source?

>>21486613
yes

>>21486491
>pre 2000s stuff and amazon ebook smut "fantasy".
I think there's just a very firm disconnect between the two, with modern writing almost fetishizing obsessing over characters and their dramas over actual narrative, story, setting, etc. It's why new readers have problems getting into older genre entries be they SF or Fantasy.

Also, new thread:
>>21486606

>>21486620
not page 10

>>21486628
>nOt PaGe TeN
fuck off with your made up rules degenerate

>>21486237
lists are found on wiki. PKD award is good too. I've read most of them apart from the female authors, of which I've read none of them

>>21486620
Wait until page ten, you retard.

>>21486641
>NO; YOU MADE A THREAD WHEN I WANTED TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE IT
>I WILL STILL MAKE A NEW THREAD
great. once again we will have competing threads

>>21486646
Instead of making up schizophrenic scenarios, how about you have a bit patient.

>>21486649
I didn't make the thread. I'm merely enjoying the seething caused by another anon.

>>21486641
you're complaining about someone not being there exactly when it hits page 10 so he can make a new thread. entire point is to have a thread visible, not one that's past the bump limit.

>>21486502
I read and enjoyed the first two, but I'd seen it compared to Vampire Hunter D rather than BotNS.
They were much more straightfoward and the far future setting was bleak rather than mysterious.

>>21486620
>Also, new thread:
It's already shit.

>>21486667
Entire point is that there is one shizo who makes a new thread everytime, and if someone else does that before him then he starts coping and seething.

>>21486672
just suck it up, or I'll continue making threads at page 8

>>21486673
that explains a lot

>>21486620
Thread is shit, but that’s to be expected. We really need stronger moderation

>>21486739
Just go to r*ddit if you moderation

>>21486491
And how many books have you read in one week?

>>21481954
You're gonna do it arent you? Page 9 already!

>>21485667
Poking someone wearing plate in the chest will do literally nothing. Armored sword fighting (which is what he was talking about) is heavily wrestling focused

>>21485405
Picrel. Way too long but weaves a pretty good story for most of it.

PAGE TEN! QUICKLY NOW!

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