/lit/ - Literature

>>21461823
Who are they? 2gm0t

>>21461823
These thinkers are a magnet for trannies

>>21461823
Truth knows neither left nor right.

>>21461823
Nietzsche

>>21461878
Delueze and Guattari of Capitalism and Schizophrenia fame.

To be fair, I wouldn't consider Deleuze a leftist philosopher. If you consider his ouvre as a whole (specially his solo works), you will see that he's in spirit a classical philosopher and that his leftism doesn't seem to be a necessary conclusion to his thought. He was definitively a leftist, but he was a philosopher who happened to be leftist. I think his political reputation comes from his collaboration with Guattari (who was a weaker philosopher and seemed to be entirely focused on 68ist protests).

>>21461823
Marxism in the context of critical studies is a method of material analysis. It's a theoretical method, not a political model or statesmanship.

>>21461823
>why did these turbo leftoids have such fundamentally anti left ideas?
They copied Autonomia Operaia: actual workers in struggle had uncovered that ideology is a bourgeois apparatus through praxis, and this is what happens when you dress that finding from the factory floor up in ENS.

>>21461823
because they were trannies

>>21461958
Again, who?

>>21462559
Two obtuse horizontalist post-structuralist Marxists who have all of the language failings of the Normal Higher University from Paris, while having all of the obtusity of action of the Northern Italian dissident workerist Marxists.

They write about mental illness a fair bit. They're kind of like a Kant barrier to post-structuralism: if you can't be bothered putting in the effort to read the most difficult person who actually tried, why would I want to read your opinion on Judith Butler or Kierkegaard for that matter?

Unfortunately Americans translated them, so they're utterly incomprehensible in English on the whole.

>>21461823
>dude fuck capitalism and colonialism and the family structure and truth and shit
They didn't?

>>21463147
accelerationism is as anti left as it gets

>>21463149
I can see that you're critiquing Mao's "Worse is better" as non-leftist. Normally workerists attack leftism as bourgeois ideology.

>>21463149
>more trannies faster
>anti-left
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i want to understand them but they have that disease where they have to be obscure and impossible to understand like hegel and kant. I wanted to know how their philosophy effected art and what where their aesthetics because i know they wrote a book on Francis bacon, one of my favorite painters, but i just couldnt find anything, or understand it.

t. artist and not philophizer

I know their philosophy inspired acceltrionism though

Why are e-rightoids so desperate to "appropriate" (leftoid strategy) these abhorrent soixante-hui(re)tards? We've got our own intellectual tradition that's much better than this trash

>>21463168
great philosophy doesnt belong to one group, i mean you have everyone fighting over whether Nietzsche was one of them

>>21463173
>Nietzsche
left

>>21463168
Truth is truth. It does not matter who found it. Marx himself ended up appropriated by French New Right and Aron, and arguably in a more relevant manner than by left-wing thinkers.

>>21463186
Authorial intent matters

>>21463361

>>21461926
For what reason?

>>21461823
>turbo

I like that word

>massive

another excellent word

otherwise I do not know answer to your question

>>21463175
>be an untermensch with all these manly and godly virtues
>this is leftist
LMAO

>>21461930
quid est veritas

>>21461823
You have never read D&G. You will never read D&G. You just discovered D&G’s wikipedia recently.

>>21463508
>TRANSvaluation
>TRANSgenderism
We got too cocky Nietzsche bros

>>21463405
Post-structuralist gobbledygook

>>21461823
>fundamentally anti left ideas
>possesses no right-wing institutional representation and almost all proponents are radical anti-white pseudo-marxists
What did the retarded OP mean by this?

>>21463186
Truth IS all that matters, and that is exactly why we can safely exclude Dolce and Gabbana from the conversation

>>21463552
The rejection of intent is AMERICAN from NEW CRITICISM.

>>21463572
You're learning

Which of their ideas are "fundamentally" anti left? what does being left wing mean for you? Wanting the state to exist and control people lol?

>>21463568
find me a quote from either of them saying truth doesnt matter or that it doesnt exist

>STILL stuck in your "exotic" French theorist phase
You faggots need to mentally age past 19 already

>>21463602
"Truth isn't real."
-- Giles Deleuze, "L'amour des enfants," p. 609

>>21463466
Their work is nearly incomprehensible (you can project a lot onto it) and what's there is clearly in praise of "shaking things up" and not following an existing pattern and becoming a schizo mess because the world is just so, like, stratified, dude.

>>21463654
>Their work is nearly incomprehensible
not if you understand where are they coming from and you can easily do that if you read Deleuze's solo work
>and what's there is clearly in praise of "shaking things up" and not following an existing pattern and becoming a schizo mess because the world is just so, like, stratified, dude.
they again and again repeat that they are in favour of a sober way of thinking and not just making associations for the sake of it. They think any way of thinking that has a relation with reallity will not fit with pre existing patterns in their view, sure, but they think thats something passive (see chapter three of Difference and Repetition). Its the complete opposite of when academic or non academic wankers take their style and apply it inside academia
And the same thing applies on the praxis they suggest, they dont want people to just blow themselves apart lol, specially Deleuze
your read of them (if you have read them at all) is the same people who make a fetish out of them do

>>21463692
>inside academia
forgot to add also outiside it

>>21463466
Their work is an acidic critique of the metaphysical substrate upon which hierarchical divisions like man-woman are made.

>>21463706
>the metaphysical substrate upon which hierarchical divisions like man-woman are made.
the relationship between identity and difference thing?

>>21463168
>soixante-hui(re)tards
reminds me of how derrida writes lol
>We've got our own intellectual tradition that's much better than this trash
qrd?
>>21463543
OP isnt wrong if by left he means what americans understand as left>>21463549

>>21463168
success breeds jealousy

You have to understand that France was riddled with communists and socialists in all layers of society (especially the higher layers) .
Even now France is ruled by socialists, more or less in disguise.
France has still not recovered from a century of socialism, and miterrand totally destroyed any skills the Bureaucrats may had... A french bureaucrat is a subhuman piece of shit .

All the old politicians nowadays were the young champagne leftist assholes who embarked into politics in the miterrand era and they turned france to shit in less than 40 years by refusing to do anything for the country, but pushing for more muslims and that's it.
All the problems France has right now stems from those scumbags.

>>21463602>>21461961

Bourgeois Atheists took power by saying there is no truth

>>21461823
>leftist =/= communist
Ffs, get over it, Anglo.

>>21463186
>>21463568
>le truth
D&G philosophy has nothing to do with 'truth', and in the end, it is not digestible for the right. At most, the right can use D&G terminology to make shallow arguments about the historical context ---a la Baudrillard. That doesn't mean anything about D&G having some sort of continuity with the right; just as it does not have a continuity with the communist left ---like Fisher and the like who uses D&G terminology to repeat post-modernist anglo-marxism (Jameson and Adorno inspired misserabilism). The right may have Nick Land, but they are utterly retarded if they cannot see how Land has to leave D&G gnosseological perspective in order to become a right winger; last decade Land is just anti-comunist Adorno, even if right wing closseted trannies want to believe he is still related to actual intensive materialism, and not just a techonomics subjected to a primal socio-cultural dialectic.