/lit/ - Literature

Just started the third book of Prince of Nothing series, and even though I enjoyed it in general, I just want it to be over at this point. How does the Aspect-Emperor compare to PoN? Also, does anyone have the wojack-political compass meme for Prince of Nothing, I remember seeing it months ago in a random thread in /tv/, and haven't been able to find it since

I'd like to read more SF/F short stories, aiming for 1 a day. I'd like to get as varied a mix of classics and new kino as I can. Any anthology recommendations?

Also, Asimov's magazine didn't have any stories that interested me despite it being "the" SF magazine. Any recs for genuinely good SF/F mags?

What are some enjoyable modern science fiction and fantasy books you've read? I've gone through most of the classics I was interested in, and need to start dipping into the more contemporary pools (which are filled with more crap than all before it). I recently finished The Lies of Locke Lamora , and thought it was good.

>>21427405

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>>21427590
Yeah, that's the one.

Ian Brandon Sandrson, the true and honest creator of Mistborn.

>>21427644
(pbuh)djhoy

What are some science fiction red flags, anons?
Personally I hate when aliens are just batshit hostile because of 'their nature' or something.

State of the Sanderson 2022 Excepts

My company grew sizably to match the demands I’m putting on them—most specifically editing, art directing, publicizing, and shipping 600,000 secret novels.

the majority of my fans prefer audiobooks these days.

The books will not be on Audible...Audible has grown to a place where it’s very bad for authors...they treat authors very poorly. Particularly indie authors. The deal Audible demands of them is unconscionable...the current industry standard for a digital product is to pay the creator 70% on a sale. It’s what Steam pays your average creator for a game sale, it’s what Amazon pays on ebooks, it’s what Apple pays for apps downloaded...Audible pays 40%. Almost half. For a frame of reference, most brick-and-mortar stores take around 50% on a retail product. Audible pays indie authors less than a bookstore does...if indie authors don’t agree to be exclusive to Audible, they get dropped from 40% to a measly 25%...This is shameful behavior...they are squeezing indie authors to death....I had one seller who really wanted to work with me, who will remain unnamed, who is consistently only able to pay authors 10% on a sale. For a digital product. It’s WILD.....I know it’s going to cost me a ton of sales—because right now, people tend to just buy on the platform they’re comfortable with. The Lost Metal preorders were 75% audio—almost all through Audible...I know many of my fans, probably hundreds of thousands of them, simply won’t buy the books because it’s super inconvenient to go somewhere else.

Stormlight Five is named Knights of Wind and Truth...doesn’t QUITE fit the format we wanted...I feel this is close enough to nod to that kind of inside easter egg

collaboration I did with Dan Wells in the Dark One universe sometime very soon. It’s called Dark One: Forgotten, and I’m thrilled with how it turned out. Rather than writing that one as a novel, it’s presented as a fake True Crime podcast that slowly uncovers a supernatural mystery; because of that, it’s an audio exclusive

Elantris/Warbreaker/Rithmatist
All will have to wait until Stormlight 5 is finished, I’m afraid. Stormlight’s my main focus now!

Night Brigade (Threnody novel). Dragonsteel (Hoid backstory series.) Silence Divine (Ashyn novel). Aether World series. Mythos series (new planet, though this is the off-world nickname right now).
We’ll see if/when any of these appear!

I can’t say much about Hollywood projects

Soulburner (a longstanding project on these lists) did eventually get made as a video game, named Moonbreaker.... wasn’t thrilled by the monetization methods they picked upon launch. (I got a little blindsided by this, I’ll admit.)

As for my (Dan Wells) Cosmere novels? We’re already working on the first one, but it’s mostly just brainstorming at this point. We’ve found a corner of the Cosmere—and of the fantasy market in general—that’s just begging for a series

>>21427760
>science fiction red flags
Female protagonist
Parading a cavalier attitude towards sex and social norms because "it's the future"
At the same time proposing that all societies will inevitably arrive at 21st century Progressivism as their state of enlightment

>>21427526
>and need to start dipping into the more contemporary pools (which are filled with more crap than all before it)
That, my good sir, is putting it lightly.

>>21427786
Forgot pic. 4.5 stars (300 reviews) on Amazon btw

>>21427526
Try looking into R.A Salvatore. Anthony Ryan's 'A Raven's Shadow' series might be worth a look as well. I've only read the first one so far.

>name a better medieval horror
Averoigne, you babby

>>21427796
The future of fantasy novels is looking large and in charge.

>>21427405
Its literally the first thing that pops on google images if you search "wojack-political compass meme for Prince of Nothing"
No wonder these books are filtering you hard

>>21427830
Only the Blood Song is good, the rest are unironically garbage, I don't think I have ever seen a series take such a huge and sudden dive in quality, going from kino to absolute trash.

>>21427778
>the majority of my fans prefer audiobooks these days
Really? I can't imagine myself listening a thousand-pages long audiobook

>>21427760
>Personally I hate when aliens are just batshit hostile because of 'their nature' or something.
why? because you're a retard? listen. if aliens are just going to be humans but smarter, why the fuck are you writing aliens into your story? what's the fucking point? are you dumb? if you could replace the aliens with some other "advanced" human civilization just fine, then why did you choose for them to be aliens? huh? you motherfuckers are so tiring.

>>21427988
Follows up by saying that 75% of his most recent book preorders were audiobooks. I don't listen at all, but apparently others do, including /sffg/.

>>21428127
>because you're a retard
>why the fuck are you writing aliens
>what's the fucking point
>are you dumb
>you motherfuckers are so tiring

You possess the grammar, punctuation, vocabulary, spelling, and attitude that is typical of an imbecilic juvenile dreg, and no one should regard you as an individual whose contentions have any function outside of ridicule. Also, you're gay and probably have a small pipi too.

>>21427526
Walter Moers' Zamonia novels are a joy, each in their own way. Very creative and unconventional world building, and all books have illustrations by the author himself. The first one came out in 1999.
Newer books by the author are more hit-and-miss, but that's not really a problem when reading the initial ones as they're all self contained, not an ongoing series.
The "main" works are The 13 1/2 Lives Of Captain Bluebear, Rumo's Miraculous Adventures, and The City Of Dreaming Books. Alchemaster's Apprentice and Ensel Und Krete (not sure if this one even has an English translation) I also recommend. imo they're Ideally read in the order they came out. Bluebear was the first, and some say a bit more aimed at a younger audience than what came later, but not in a way that's bothersome. It does perhaps the most world building out of all, it simply hasn't got much bloodspilling compared to Rumo, for example. Maybe some people would be better off read Dreaming Books and Rumo first. It's not like one spoilers the others.
If course the books, which all use language quite creatively and make new words, lose a little bit of their brilliance in translation, so those who can are well advised to read the German originals. Still, the English translation is serviceable and inconsistencies only noticeable to those familiar with the original text.
All in all, I highly recommend. You basically never see Moers in these threads and it's a damn shame.

>>21428244
A 700 page book written by a German in which the protagonist is a blue bear. This will either by the worst shit I've ever read, or complete schizo kino.

>>21427760
I think the biggest and most consistent and widespread red flag in science fiction is the a priori assumption that any and all advanced extraterrestrial species will have utterly abandoned all serious conceptions of meaningful religion, with the exception of evil genocidal races that have some vague "Crusade" mentality that is used primarily as an excuse for the author to attack religion (not that the religion of these evil aliens is ever developed enough to be recognizable as any real-world faith).
It is so phenomenally rare to find non-human religion in SF media at all, that the infantilized, bowdlerized, and dumbed down superficial religions that are bland copies of extinct or exotically foreign (to a western audience) earth faiths (the Jedi and Klingons' Sto'vo'kor come to mind) are welcome reliefs from the vaguely socialist atheism that permeates SF near-universally.

>>21427988
I think the average Sando patron is someone who grew up with Mistborn / Way of Kings and just wants some comfy background noise for work or walking the dog or whatever. He's basically a v-tuber.

>>21428299
The redflag is when aliens have/had a religion.
I am sure this mind rotting virus is exclusive to humans

>>21428299
Maybe scifi isn't the genre for you, god boy.

>>21428311
a very dumb and bad post

>>21428314
being dominated by crypto-communist Russian Jews (atheists) for 90 years probably has something more to do with the degradation of the genre than the genre itself

>>21428299
You assume a human can create a meaningfully alien experience, let alone a religion.

>>21428311
You live your live with just as much faith in immaterial things as any religious person does, you're just too stupid and arrogant to be self aware of it.

>>21428390
>faith in immaterial things
What things?

>>21428395
the scientific method
mathematics
knowledge itself

>>21427796
>Guy is ripped
>Girl is obese
How do they not see the hypocrisy?

>>21428395
Time (future & past), space, ethics, the self, logic and reason, meaning, existence, words, order, numbers, universals etc.

Interesting setting ruined by a hack writer. The potential was there, but everything else besides the necromancy itself is bad. The protagonist is childish, (most) the side characters are laughable at best and the pacing is horrible. A shame honestly.

>>21427778
>Sando calling out Audible
good on him

>>21428241
Bitchborne male

21428453
>one hour for this paltry comment
Go back to >>>/v/. We have enough shitposting children here.

>>21428404
By 2030 you'll have to be a male model just to get a date with an elephant seal. It's over.

>>21428437
Is this the one where the town tries to off him while his uber-OP parents are away once he gets his forbidden class?
If it is I can't fathom why the author didn't make the town have some real authority and just a raging hatred boner to justify the town being willing to offend people who can raze them to the ground the moment they go back. Setting filled with idiots.

>>21428390
>>21428401
>>21428417
Belief, not faith. There is a difference.

>>21428514
>Semantics

>>21428473
>Is this the one where the town tries to off him while his uber-OP parents are away once he gets his forbidden class?
Yes

>>21428437
>>21428473
The issue with this story is that (potentially) epic story is ruined by elements that make it very ordinary and very boring.
The parents should have never been given relevance, in a young mans journey into the world parents have no place, the village and his gf he left behind should have stayed behind and never mentioned again. The shitty vampire thing stinks of coomerism. His gf coming back will likely change the story from coming of age journey to some shitty couples drama.
Only the dude in the skull is somewhat entertaining, and making the story worth reading

>>21428404
I love how she's doing all the ridiculous contortions fat women do to hide their figure for photos on her own book cover. Just tell the guy from fiverr to draw you thinner.
>inb4 she already did

>>21428577
kekd and checked

>>21427590
>Kellhus and Proyas
>salvation
lol

>>21428522
Yes, there is belief but faith does not exist, it is another made up thing by religionists just like god, heaven etc

FRENS I AM IN NEED OF AUTISTIC KINO WORLDBUILDING AND DON'T FUCKING SAY TOLKIEN

>>21428698
Prince of Nothing

>>21428698

>>21428698
A song of ice and fire

>>21428698
Eye of the World

>>21428694
>faith does not exist

Faith in this context is the belief in something that cannot be empirically proven, like, for example, the belief that faith does not exist. Whoopsies.

>>21428698
Xeelee Sequence. 5 million years of worldbuilding.

>>21428723
>the belief that faith does not exist
There is no requirement to prove something that does not exist (like faith)

>>21428698
I've seen lots of autistic worldbuilding out there but none of it could be described as kino

>>21428748
Ah, but you believe that belief exists. But you've never observed the quanta of a belief, nor held it in your hand, nor determined which hormones and neurons in the brain corresponded to that belief.

>>21428748
That's a belief that you hold which cannot be empirically proven. Where is this belief? Can you put it in a beaker and measure it for me? You cannot even begin to define what it means for something to "exist" or not without appealing to categories that depend on varying degrees of faith (which is, again, things that cannot be empirically proven), but by golly I'd love to see you try it lol

>>21427405
The Aspect Emperor books have a lot more horror, abstruse philosophizing and a much more epic scale, but also some slightly dragging side plots taking place in the imperial capital. Personally I would say they were consistently better than the latter two PoN books and occassionally equal to or better than the first book.

>>>>21428706
NO I DON"T LIKE GAYS

>>21428711
I SHALL TRY THE MONG

>>21428713
NOT AUTISTIC ENOUGH

>>21428721
ALREADY READ IT

>>21428734
THIS TITLE SOUNDS RETARDED AS FUCK SO IT"S PROBABLY EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR

>>21428752
MY GOOD SIR THEN TELL ME THE KINOEST ONE IN THE SHITPILE

>>21428799
>TELL ME THE KINOEST ONE IN THE SHITPILE
do you REALLY want an answer to this question?
Star Wars books

>>21428826
>SW
>better than anything
You're right in that it is literally a film, which is what kino means.

>>21428799
Read all 55 + spinoffs horus heresy books.

>>21428844
hey, you asked, of all the books with autistic worldbuilding that's the closest that I've seen that could ever be described as "kino"
I've seen plenty of books with autistic worldbuilding, and plenty of books that are kino, but they tend to inhabit mutually exclusive spheres of literature

>>21428862
Nah I wasn't the newfag anon saying kino.

>>21428826
IM ALL EARS WHICH OF THESE MUPPET SPACE OPERAS ENTHRALLED YOU SO

>>21428846
I ALREADY KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE WARHAMMERINOS

>>21428898
unanimously considered to be the peak of Star Wars Expanded Universe storytelling is the original Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn
>Heir to the Empire (1991)
>Dark Force Rising (1992)
>His Last Command (1993)
those are probably the best starting point for getting into extraneous Star Wars content if you are interesting in doing so, however I strongly recommend you watch at least the original trilogy of movies before attempting to read any of this stuff because 90% of the EU involves characters from those movies, and the remaining 10% is split between pertaining to the prequel trilogy or going completely off the rails with utter insanity completely unrelated to anything anybody recognizes as Star Wars

>>21428918
THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION FREN. AS A REWARD FOR YOUR GENEROSITY I SHALL PROVIDE YOU WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF MY OWN. IT IS A SELF PUBLISHED WORK THAT IS NOT AT ALL WELL KNOWN NOR EDITED TO PERFECTION, AND SO AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE IT IS ROUGH AROUND THE EDGES, BUT IT DOES HAVE SOUL AND AN AMBIENCE THAT IS VERY MUCH ON THE SPECTRUM. GOOD DAY AND MERRY CHRISTMAS

>>21428698
Dune, Avatar: the last airbender, CS lewis

typically garbage made for children has good "worldbuilding"

Looking for a series that is very lewd and rapey.

>>21429064

>start reading The Reality Disfuntion
>on chapter 3, there like bioenginred sentient ships telepathicly bonded with their human captain, and they lay an egg together and the other ships do a mating ritual around this

I have no idea what the fuck I'm reading. Is this going to make sense when I read further?

>>21429125
>I have no idea what the fuck I'm reading
Me neither, but having sex with a sentient spaceship sounds like a fun time.

>>21429131
Tin Man was a good episode

>>21429131
>reading book 6 of guy protecting sentient spaceship with both a ship body and multiple flesh bodies progression fantasy
>lots of romance building up but still not even a kiss

>>21428764
I experience it everyday it is part of thinking process, have you held thinking in your hands, do you need to know which exact neurons are responsible for it?

>>21428780
Faith does not exist, when your brains want to believe in something that does not exist in material or immaterial words, does not exist anywhere at all, instead reasoning and using logic to evalute information, your brain malfunctions, neurons misfire and you end up with even more damage to your brain and false, garbled piece of information that is basically delusional nonsense. Instead of discarding that garbage from your mind you instead keep it and even infect others with.

>>21429125
I remember sentient ships but I don't remember them mating them with their captains. Its been years since I read it, if thats true then it might be more pozzed than I remember, I will have to reevaluate the series.

>>21428437
I really liked the kind of slow start from nothing. But towards the end it just goes a bit too much off the rails. Why not give the kid some more time to grow and string the reader along for the slow rise to greatness. Instead the stakes rise way too fast way too quickly, which is not at all comfy growth anymore. Worldwide cataclysm and divine interventions just feel way to out of place for a growing hero.

Although I love that part where the kid just starts practicing this dark ritual stuff and just casually sets off every demon alarm in the city, while getting away scot free.

>>21429064
Herald of Shalia
LitRPG with lots of sex scenes but no rape. The audiobook is fantastic for coom purposes

Immersive adventure fantasy? Do people even read cozy books anymore? Or is it all just grimdank?

>>21429165

>>21429165
>have you held thinking in your hands
I have never observed any empirical proof that other people have thought processes and are not bio-robots acting from hive-mind insectoid instinct. As far as I am aware, I am the only human being ever to exist that possesses a real mind and personality, everyone else is, functionally, a figment of my imagination.
>this is an actual philosophical belief called solipsism

>>21428553
The talking skull fulfills its purpose of a sort of mentor and giving a reason for narrative dialogue between the main character and someone else. However I find the summoner character too much of a parody to be able to take it seriously. The endless attempts at humor get tiring quite fast. It is fun to have for a while, but if it drags on then it is super annoying.

>>21429226
There is a limited number of souls available in circulation, most of the people you see are machines made of flesh operated by neurons.

For everyone currently binging LitRPG stuff I want to suggest "The Humble Life of a Skill Trainer". It's not exceptional but decent enough to skill some cravings. Sadly it is not particularly long and some of the romance is a bit cringey but whatever.

>>21429259
>romance
I read rr description and sounds alright, but elaborate on the romance part, is it part of the main story, if I skip it will I miss anything important, is it essentially love story/drama thats based in litrpg setting or is it action/adventure?

>>21428698
Lord of the Mysteries

>>21429165
Dude, I'm just gonna say it; you're too dumb to understand the points being made, and you keep repeating the same things over and over without realizing that you've zero proofs for the terms you're using nor the concepts you're advocating for. All the while you continue to claim faith doesn't exist while practicing it right before our eyes. The whole thing is a joke.


>faith doesn't exist, but reasoning does
>where is the physical evidence for the idea of reasoning that is separate from faith
>uuh uuuh faith doesn't exist

k


>>21429233
Yeah, that's about what I guessed.

>>21429290
The main characters romantic relationship is a central part due to nobility and political implications. Still it is not obnoxious or overly dramatic. In fact it is quite subdued and quite rational. The only thing, which annoyed me was the odd quips of kawaii and tsundere behavior.

>>21429217
Kek

>>21429226
>As far as I am aware, I am the only human being ever to exist that possesses a real mind and personality, everyone else is, functionally, a figment of my imagination.
Sounds like you may have legimitate mental issues.

Good lord, last thread and this thread too, why are the recent threads so fucking shit.

>>21429305
>why are the recent threads so fucking shit.
Because no one on this god forsaken threads reads and they all want to be king retard of this general.

>>21429305
newfags as always, gotta get the last word in every time with their epic snarky quips

>>21429305
Recommend me a fantasy book with guns in it right now you fucking bitch

>>21429298
Are you the fag that argues that fantasy doesn't have to be realistic?

>>21429316
Why? What would be the point?

>>21429316
Don't steal my thing dude.

>>21429321
I think the point would be to garner discussion of SFF

>>21429317
>that argues that fantasy doesn't have to be realistic?
>Fantasy:the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are impossible or improbable
>realistic: representing familiar things in a way that is accurate or true to life
What?

>>21427590
Isn’t Akka a fat black guy

>>21429324
Why? This general is shit and is never going to talk about SFF

>>21429327
YOU ARE
HAHAHAHAAHAHA

>>21429327
There’s a retard in this thread that insist Fantasy, has to be extremely realistic for some reason, which defeats the entire purpose of fantasy.

>>21429316
I can't think of any that I liked enough to recommend that were strictly fantasy.

>>21429341
It's realistic within it's own bounds, the fantasy comes from having a different ruleset than ours.

>>21429321
>>21429317
>>21429337

Outed you nigger. You're the same bitch shitting up the last thread by pretending to be different people. Kill yourself

>>21429323
Ion know you cuh, and even if I did I'd still steal your shit namsayin

>>21429337
nope, I was just confused why you think fantasy has to be realistic. People who read fantasy want to read about dragons, magic and other things that aren't from our world. So I'm confuse on why you want it to be realistic.

>>21429298
Reasoning is a part of thought process, does human ability to think need to be proven by science for the people to accept the fact that they can think?

>>21429353
Dunno why you would think I am the first anon.
I am the spreg that argues about realism. as per >>21429346

>>21427463
Short fiction in practice is more hit or miss than novels because usually people don't just read whatever novel they see and have more discernment. It also depends a lot more on whether the premise is liked. I've read a few thousand works of short fiction and that's how it's been for me. Most of the time for original anthologies and magazines most of them are going to be mediocre. You want to check out best of the year anthologies, or even the best of the best. That or read collections of stories by a preferred author.

>>21429368
Does the existance of God and the divine need to be proven by science for the people to accept the fact that they exist?

>>21429376
>>21429368
Jesus Christ, just fuck off already. You’ve already derailed the thread with this inane bullshit.

>>21429316
Only ones I can think of would be in the urban fantasy category which are usually pretty bad. The good gun stuff is reserved for scifi/military

>>21429379
>Derail
It would imply there was a discussion in the first place. In a general thread.

>>21427796
That's basically nothing. Do you intentionally seek out stuff that will upset you? Who cares about something entirely obscure and irrelevant? It certainly means nothing to anyone here.

>>21428469
Looksmaxxing is idiotic and self-destructive. Your delusions are passively suicidal.

>>21429305
Incel neet anons who are alone in christmas.

>>21429412
It ain't Christmas here bro

>>21429392
>Do you intentionally seek out stuff that will upset you?
>Who cares about something entirely obscure and irrelevant?
Now that is some delicious irony.

>>21429392
Just stop eating Kathy.

>>21429412
loved this book series tbdesu

>>21429376
>Does the existance of people need to be proven by science for the people to accept the fact that they exist?
No.
I am not sure why are you bringing god into this.

>>21429429
How so? You posted it here. I didn't seek anything out. This isn't what I came here for. If you mean why did I respond to an irrelevant post, then I congratulate you on your self-awareness.

>>21429436
What a peculiarly delusional response.

>>21429425
I know, i meant that during these days, anons get mentally broken, not just here, most boards turn into hellholes of mental illness, it's the most wonderful time of the year, but not for them.

>>21429412
is that a MOMMY I see?

>>21429299
The description was interesting, but essentially it is just drama/love story in litrpg setting. Won't be reading it.

>>21429474
Legend of Legaia had an interesting combat system and was alright overall. I played it when it released. I didn't play the second game though.

>>21429476
it's an auntie actually

>>21429483
Go back to >>>/v/ retard.

>>21427796
What are some other books with thick white women? Besides malazan. I know Erikson likes chubby girls

>>21429490
ugh wha tthe fuck

>>21429490
One of the characters in Alan Dean Foster's Ice-Rigger is a fat white woman. She confesses her love to the main character but she's a really minor character and I didn't read the sequels to find out what happens to her, I bet she loses weight.

>>21429316
Anita Blake is the only series I can think of with vaguely knowledgeable author / decent taste in guns. Interesting given the brood of awful vampire properties it spawned, but not recommended reading.

>>21429368
This is my last response because this is brutal, and going nowhere. Let's take reasoning and logic. You say these are merely thought processes, but yet they can exist without you. The statement, "Years before you were alive you didn't exist" is perfectly logical, yet your thought process is wholly unnecessary for it to be true. This means there is an immaterial structure to things that precede you, and it goes far beyond the bounds of just logic.

With this in mind let's go back to faith. I've shown you here that logic can exist without the thought process. You say you believe logic exists, therefore, you believe in an immaterial thing that was here before you, and is outside of the senses. You can't prove that it exists, but you believe in it regardless, and thus, you sir, are engaging in an act of faith.

>>21429483
>I played it when it released
Old head confirmed

>>21429490
Well, well, a fellow architect in the wild, cheers.

>>21429525
I started with NES games, so yeah.

>>21429476
Kind of, She's the aunt and adopted mom of Garion, the protag.
>>21429483
The second game doesn't have the tree-hugging mentality that i liked so much, it's just generic anime martial arts.

>>21429523
Everything about this cover is telling me to run for the hills.

>>21429572
I couldn't bring myself to finish the second one. I did, however, like the addition of cooking.

>>21429515
Thanks
>>21429546
Merry christmas, Architect bro.

Recommendation of books filled with assassins, extra points if it involve supernatural assassins, as long their powers are stealthy or murderous-like.

>>21429631
Unironically Assassinorum: Kingmaker, I was pleasantly surprise by how good it was

>>21429579
I think that cover is made with retroactive knowledge of how retarded the series gets like 8 books in.

>>21429631
Why are you asking us?

>>21429654
Great
Do you know feudal/renaissance setting example of that?
>>21429674
Seen someone asking about books with chubby white girls, so I took to chance to ask about cool ass assassins

>>21429720
No one here reads.

>>21429720
It's not exactly about assassins, but there are plenty of assassinations and murders in the Lies of Locke Lamora, which is set in a fantasy renaissance Venice. Pretty good.

>>21429631
Night angel trilogy
God Stalk
Assassins of Tamurin
Wounded Kingdom
>>21429674
Maybe he wants to know (You)r opinion, not goodread's, not reddit's. Because believe it or not, your opinion matters, anon.

>>21429773
>your opinion matters, anon.
Going by how terrible this thread is, I really doubt anyone with a brain would give a shit about anyone’s opinion here.

>>21429773
That guy is a gay troll who tries to bicker with literally everyone that asks for recommendations in sffg generals.If anything it's his opinion that actually doesn't matter.

>>21429779
>I really doubt anyone with a brain would give a shit about anyone’s opinion here.
People with functioning brains don't come to this place for opinion on books.

>>21429773
>Maybe he wants to know (You)r opinion, not goodread's, not reddit's
I sometimes copy and paste opinions from reddit and goodreads and no one here even notices.

>>21429522
>This is my last response because this is brutal, and going nowhere. Let's take reasoning and logic. You say these are merely thought processes, but yet they can exist without you
Logic can exist without me, but it's a thought process, it needs a functioning brain of a person for it to exist.
Belief, reason, logic are all though processes, they cannot exist in thin air.

>The statement, "Years before you were alive you didn't exist" is perfectly logical, yet your thought process is wholly unnecessary for it to be true. This means there is an immaterial structure to things that precede you
Correct

>and it goes far beyond the bounds of just logic.
Incorrect. There are no such thing as bounds of logic (and therefore there is no area that is out of bounds of logic), there are levels of logic complexity, we are capable of some complex logic but there is even more complex logic that we aren't yet capable of. Logic can be applied to everything. Things like "god" require only rudimentary logic to apply to understand, and the understanding that we get after applying logic, is in one word it is a delusion.

>>21429548
>With this in mind let's go back to faith. I've shown you here that logic can exist without the thought process
No you haven't. If there was no life on earth, then there would be no logic, the planet would orbit around the star according to physical laws regardless if we existed or not.
If there were no people to explore and test those laws then there would be no logic because logic is a though process. If there were no people there would be no thoughts, no thought processes, no logic applied and no logic results obtained, therefore no logic would exist.


>You say you believe logic exists, therefore, you believe in an immaterial thing that was here before you,
Before me but not before the first intelligent human.

>and is outside of the senses. You can't prove that it exists, but you believe in it regardless
It's a thought process, the archeological records, the historical records show that people in the past even thousands of years ago were capable of thought and logic, they applied logic and obtained the results, which was then followed by scientific discoveries. That in itself is a proof that logic existed before I existed and could sense it.

>and thus, you sir, are engaging in an act of faith.
No, faith is not a thought process. It is not real and does not exist. What exists is people with damaged brains whos brains malfunction when they try to believe in something that should not result in a belief. It instead results in something that is neither a belief nor a disbelief, garbled information and thoughts that should be discarded or classed as false and irrelevant, yet they are instead kept and even prioritised over everything by many people. It's a delusion.


Phew, what a convoluted spaghetti post you made, mixing some truths with false ideas. You should be thankful to me for explaining and correcting you.

>>21429855
Dude, I'm just gonna say it; you're too dumb to understand the points being made, and you keep repeating the same things over and over without realizing that you've zero proofs for the terms you're using nor the concepts you're advocating for. All the while you continue to claim faith doesn't exist while practicing it right before our eyes. The whole thing is a joke.

>>21429316
Monster Hunter books have lots of guns

>>21429855
we read books here, sir

>>21429866
I doubt that.

>>21429867
How many books are you into that series? It looks like dumb fun desu.

>>21429832
Fuck, I should do that.

>>21429875
Not sure. I never dropped it, but at some point stopped reading, if you know what I mean. I think I read three or four. Give one a try. They don't ask much from you, so it's no great loss if you lose interest at some point. It is dumb fun.

>>21429891
>but at some point stopped reading
So you dropped it?

>>21429862
>All the while you continue to claim faith doesn't exist while practicing it right before our eyes.
Faith does not exist. If you are seeing things that don't exist, you should visit a medical professional because your condition is deteriorating.

>>21429897
No, when I drop something I decide not to read any more of it. It's not an implied drop if I don't get back to it as soon as I thought I would, but still might someday.

>>21429887
You really should. It otherwise makes people who refuse to use reddit or goodreads like idiots.

>>21429907
That sounds like you dropped it, anon. Just come to terms with that.

>Casterly Rock is a big mountain with lots of tunnels going really deep into the mountain and the Lannisters rule from with inside it not on top of it like a lot of people think
>Reynes of Castamere had a similar castle where they were ultimately defeated by Tywin flooding the entire building with water until there was no one left

I reckon Tyrion is going to "inherit" Casterly Rock through the same method Tywin used to kill the Reynes. He's going to flood all of the rock until there is no one left and maybe release a few lions in there to kill all the male heirs .

>>21429936
Don't know much about ASOIAF but saw the series on and off. Just looked up artists' conceptions of Casterly Rock from before the show, some really beautiful classic fantasy cover art that gets the imagination running. Then compared that with what the show had, which is "gritty and realistic" (boring as fuck, mundane), and compared both with post-show stuff which mostly cleaves to the show.

Proof that adaptations ruin everything by homogenizing it to low expectations of visualfags.

>>21429936
Okay?

>>21429949
No one here even cares about the tv show, I don't know why you brought it up.

>>21429875
I wouldn't recommend it honestly. At first it seems great and filled with potential, but goes nowhere and yet jumps ahead too much.

>>21427405
There's a definite tonal shift in the second series, and I think the timeskip really solidifies it as standing separate.

>>21429966
? For the reasons I stated I brought it up.

>>21429994
Don't feel too bad, it's a fag that replies in that manner to anyone mentioning anything and everything.

>>21429949
> Proof that adaptations
>Adaptations
Why do that yourself when you can read the source material?

>>21429949
>"gritty and realistic" (boring as fuck, mundane)
Yeah, fantasy and realism do not mixed.

>>21429316
Worth the candle

>>21430088
How about a proper book?

>>21427526
I hated this book. Was way too le quircky and modern. It was written like it was meant to be a movie in a bad way; like all the tension in the action and storytelling is done by creating a visual image for the reader and then making emotionally satisfying moments through visual reveals. Books aren't good at that. It sucks.

>>21430128
>visual image for the reader
Yes, that’s what books are supposed to do, if they don’t. Then they failed at their purpose.

I looked through the Lesbian recommended charts on the sticky and I'm having a tough time figuring out what I want.

I want an enjoyable sci fi/fantasy story with a female protag who discovers she's a lesbian. I want explicit sex and for the main female protag to be constantly soaking her panties at some hot bitch who enters her life because of the plot. I am a straight man. Harem/threesome situations with a man welcome. But the woman must be actually turned on by females, though; reluctantly sharing a man with other women doesn't count.

>>21430135
No you fail what I'm trying to get at. Like the book will make a reveal in the story by cutting back to a scene from a different visual perspective. Like exactly how a movie or tv show would do it. It is not satisfying to read because the perspective the story is being told from should have communicated that information the first time I was there.

>>21430140
Check the charts in then OP

>>21430140
Ask >>>/lgbt/

>>21430143
>Like exactly how a movie or tv show would do it.
That’s called a different P.O.V and it isn’t restricted to movie or t.v shows.

>>21430140
>I am a straight man
X

>>21430144
read my post I checked the charts. Wayy to many recs to go through to find what I want.

>>21430187
>Wayy to many recs to go through to find what I want.
Then you really don’t want it.

>>21430140
Read Heaven's Official Blessing but edit the text as you go so that the lead characters are lesbians instead of faggots.

>>21430140
>>21430252

>>21430140
I think you’ll have a better chance at asking >>>/lgbt/ than here.

>>21430140
Try those self -publish smuts. They’re a dime a dozen and they’re all shit.

Looks at this fucking shit
>>21427526
>>21427592
>>21427830
I can't scroll more than 10 posts of the thread before I'm put off. There's better recs on youtube, christ!

>>21430355
They’re bots, or at worst, fags trying to shill their garbage. Also, why are you getting books recommendations here?

>>21430355
Two of those posts are alright, they’re not really recommended anything. But one of them is just a spambot that just tries to shill those horrible MTL Chinese novels

>>21430358
idk felt more organic when it clicked and I discovered something good as opposed to seeking out something intentionally
One anon was right when he said the best boards to talk about a topic are the ones not dedicated to it

>>21430383
No, I’m wondering why are you on /lit/ trying to find book recommendations. It’s pointless and a waste of time.

>>21428404
thats not hypocrisy. fat girls want ripped guys like fat boys want buxxom babes. its basic self insert maths.

>>21428898
ok, read all the warhammer fantasy books then.

>>21430389
I know that but I can't help myself wanting to believe

>>21430390
Yeah, but you have to remember that some anons here don’t know how normal people function because they’re terminally online all the time.

>>21430389
Why are you on /lit/ ?

>>21430425
Same reason why everyone else is in /lit/, to talk about anything that isn’t about books.

>>21430400
The last couple of threads should have put an end to that.

>>21430441
I am proud to announce I am part of team that is ruining your circlejerk by trying to talk about books.

>>21430444
Yeah, with the state of the threads, I doubt you did anything at all.

>get more discussion about a book series in one thread on another board than I do in 6+ years of trying on /lit/
sffg is really a huge fucking shit

Just stop making these generals at this point.

>>21430479
I just use goodreads and reddit, with some other website. Don’t know why you’re on /lit/ trying to talk about books.

>>21428258
I'd be very happy if you got into these books. They're great
Indeed all protagonists of these books are non-human (as mentioned at one point in Bluebear, following a historic incident humans are in fact banished from the entire continent of Zamonia): Rumo is of a species of tall humanoid dogs with deer horns characterized by excelling at physical combat, while Hildegard Mythmaker, the protagonist and fictional author of the City of Dreaming Books comes from a species of long-lived dinosaurs that dwell in a castle-mountain and write literature of all kinds (pic related, that's him)
Captain Bluebear is actually somewhat of a household name in Germany, as Moers first devised him as a character in children's television, who tells wild stories of his seafaring days to his grandchildren. With the 13 1/2 Lives Moers sort of reclaimed the character for himself and gave him an entirely different angle and a rich backstory. About the only connection is in the books foreword, which calls to mind the opening image of the cartoons with his ship sitting on top of a tall cliff when he writes:
People often ask me what it was like in the old days. My answer: In the old days there was a lot more of everything. Yes, there used to be mysterious islands, kingdoms and whole continents that no longer exist. They lie beneath the waves of the eternal ocean, for the waters are slowly but inexorably rising higher and higher, and one day our planet will be entirely submerged. That is why I now live in a seaworthy ship perched on a cliff high above sea level.

>>21430485
Nothing of value would be lost at this point.

>>21430492
Sounds really dumb.

>>21430527
Maybe if you weren't a bitch you would have some capacity to imagine it being good.

>>21430532
But it’s not good.

>>21430535
Did you read it?

>>21430491
>I just use goodreads and reddit
A toast to anon 21430491
Cheers!

>>21430541
Why would I read it if it sounds bad and it’s likely to be shit.

>>21430546
Then you shouldn't call it bad, retard.

>>21430485
>>21430517
What about fags shittyreads self advertising group in op?

>>21430544
My guy, at a certain point, you just have to admit that /sffg/ is a lost cause. I’ve gotten better discussions on those two sites than here.

>>21430552
They keep to themselves and don’t post on here, instead just post on goodreads.

>>21430547
Why not if it shows all the sings of being bad.

>>21430554
I will never go to sjw sites.

>>21430560
Then why advertise it here?

>>21430578
>Then why advertise it here?
For people who want to talk about books but don’t want to deal how absolutely retarded /sffg/ is.

>Warning: This novel contains graphic violence, inventive sex, unconventional opinions and a protagonist who has no interest in being normal. Read at your own risk.
Fimbulwinter any good?

>>21430594
Try reading it.

>>21430596
Maybe I will. But since some of you have a precog to know if book is shit before reading it, I can only hope to recieve the thoughts of those who read it.

>>21430594
>>21430602
No. One of the worst gamelit novels ever released

>>21430594
The book tries to sell itself as mature and non-conventional but in my eye it is little more than badly written, non-sensical wish fulfilment than has more in common with (bad) porn films than anything else.

>>21427384
>YWN see Ligotti’s script of X Files become a show
Why live?

>>21430610
>>21430618
Thanks.

>>21430594
no. foul rotten american jerk off power fantasy

>>21430629
No problem, I just copy and pasted a review.

>>21430636
Yeah I was wonder if i was having a stroke and already read it, but thank you for assing yourself to do that at least.

>>21430648
Yeah, it’s from goodreads.

>>21430390
It's not hypocrisy, but it's a level of abnegation you only see in adults among fat women and profoundly disturbed men.

>>21430624
This is /lit/.

>>21430594
A little rushed on the start which undermined what is a decent fantasy novel.

>>21430578
> I will never go to sjw sites
Just go back to /pol/.

>>21430140
kill yourself coomer

>>21430752
You don’t have to be so rude.

>>21430742
no, u go back to /leftypol/

>>21430479
What board was it?

>>21430769
>websites that talk exclusively about books are somehow sjw
The brain rot is real and it’s depressing to see in real time.

>>21430390
Fat guys usually imagine their self-insert is skinny/ripped though, they can at least acknowledge that it IS a flaw

>>21430774
And fat girl being honest about themselves is wrong, how?

>>21430492
Hildegard Mythmaker is the most interesting sounding one to me. I think I'll try that one first.

>>21430773
Yes, some websites that talk exclusively about [insert a topic here] are sjw.
Are you new to the internet? You ever visited tumblr?

>>21430786
Again, I’m depressed to see the brain rot happening in real life.

>>21430624
Why watch the tv when you could read his books?

>>21430786
You’re not making any sense

>>21430594
Yes, it's very enjoyable but don't expect high literature. I used the series to relax in-between more "heavy" books.

>>21430823
Just leave 4chan. 4chan is not a liberal cesspit, you do not belong here

>>21430825
Why are you trying to deceive into reading dogshit?

>>21430830
Instead of dogshit read doglit

>>21430829
How far gone are you to think some anon going to websites that talk about books is wrong.

>>21430834
God, I fucking hate furries and their mental illnesses.

>>21430836
No point in trying to talk to him, it’ll be pointless and a waste of time.

>>21430688
No one reads on /lit/.
>>21430811
Don’t you want to see a literary master try his hand at a new form? Beckett did it.

>>21430866
No one cares about Beckett.

>>21430866
>No one reads on /lit/.
Even if that’s true, go to >>>/tv/

>>21430870
>I’m a pleb who reads slop ONLY and, in my minuscule opinion, I don’t think high modernism matters
FTFY.

>>21430884
You can’t tell me what to do, seed oil drinker.

>>21430889
You’re just projecting at this point.

>>21430899
Nice pop psychology. Are you going to open a bottle of champers for Xmas, boomer roastie?

>>21430905
Are you this unaware?

>>21430910
Go read another shitty web novel from the CCP or some autistic Brandersoi anime schlock, instead of pretending to know what the psyche is.
I’ve read all of Lovecraft’s work and I am in contact with very important scholars in weird fiction. Who the fuck are you? The connoisseur respects the silence that serves as the foundation of literary permutation.

>>21430916
You really need to take a step back with these weird ass accusations.

>>21427526
Red Rising series

I might have a case of the Zoom Zoom and untreated/undiagnosed ADHD but everything I've read since it has been bland and unexciting. It's not a piece of literary art or perfect storytelling but my it is quite entertaining.

>>21430836
You are a progressive leftist, go to websites that have predominantly leftist community and discus books there with like minded individuals, yet you come here, a website full of conservatives, alt right, far right, nazi individuals and then start objecting every time someone points out some degeneracy in some book? Why do you do this? You do realize that we are not going change our views and mindset just because of your liberal objections? The only reason you are here is not to "discuss books" but to annoy and irritate people with liberal nonsense. You are just a troll.

>>21430929
You really need to get off /pol/. your post is derange and not even grounded to reality.

>>21430916
>I am in contact with very important scholars in weird fiction
Are these "very important scholars" in the room with us right now?

>>21430916
Please be joking, I don’t think I can handle this post if you’re being sincere.

>>21430916
>and I am in contact with very important scholars in weird fiction.
Take your meds.

>>21430624
Meh, nothing of value will be lost. X-files was trite garbage.

>>21430670
thats not abnegation. fat girls want ripped guys like fat boys want buxxom babes. its basic self insert maths.

>>21430944
I haven't been to /pol/ in months but just because you I will start going there again (in addition to /lit/sffg )

>>21430928
Is it any good? I’ve read the first book and it’s just hunger games in space.

>>21427463
The Very Best of Fantasy & Science Fiction
It's like the 50th anniversary book for Fantasy & Science Fiction magazine it's a fucking ace colletion.
They did a sequel like More of the Very Best or something too and it was also good.

>>21431037
Would you recommend it?

>>21431048
Yes that's why I'm recommending it.
The New Atlantis is an excellent collection of three novellas.
Cities of Wonder edited by Damon Knight is a classic. Probably any collections edited by him are.

>>21431051
I’ll check it out when I have the time.

>>21429936
He was master of drains

>>21431062
And a pretty good one if other people are to believe

>>21431062
I thought his father did that just to fuck with him.

>>21427760
For me, it's when every planet has the same government, or even when there's a single planetary nation.
Think about it. We have the UN, but it means jack shit since many of its member nations are dictatorahips or even monarchies, while the reast are so-called "democracies" despite being run by rich people with corporate ties.
>>21428698
Farnham's freehold after the plot twist.

>>21431093
He did do that. Tywin is a ducking ass to his son.

>>21431124
*Was

>>21431130
Not really important enough to correct.

Any new releases with romance?
preferably scifi

>>21431145
No

>>21431028
No

>>21430624
Not really a loss, I’ve read his works before and they were pretty mid.

>>21431028
Gets much better and goes full space opera in the second book

>>21431172
>second book is where it gets good
lmao fuck that shit

>>21430479
Please tell me what board was it. I want to visit it.

>>21431145
Why are you asking us?

>>21430928
>Red Rising series
A friend in highschool recommended me that years ago, I gave it a try and it was literally hunger games, but for boys. Never saw the appeal and I stopped reading it.

>>21430594
I’m pretty sure that book was discussed in-depth once, try checking warosu

>>21429936
This is why I don’t watch adaptations. They always ruin the luster of the original creation if done improperly.

>>21431239
>This is why I don’t watch adaptations.
I don't think I've ever seen an adaptation be good.

>>21429832
This might be worth doing.

>>21431062
And he was really proud that he exceeded his father's expectations. Fuck, early Tyrion was a good character.

>>21430317
They’re overpriced garbage. Why even buy those when you can just go to literotica and read that shit for free.

>>21430485
God, I hope it actually happens.

>>21430479
I’ve told you multiple times. It’s just insane trying to discuss books in this board.

First 3 seasons of GoT were good even though the writers weren't faithful to the books. It's obvious the show was intended for a mainstream audience and had a restricting budget so changes had to be made

>>21429936
>Reynes of Castamere had a similar castle
I thought the Reynes of Castamere's castle was a sinkhole considering that Tywin drowned them.

>>21431260
I don’t think people asked or cared.

>>21431263
Please refrain from replying to my posts ever again

>>21431260
>We destroyed Robb's character so we could have more sexy times lol

>>21428244
Funny to see Walter Moers recommended here. I absolutely adored captain Bluebear as a kid, when I got older I read the rest of his works and was absolutely blown away. His world building is definitely the best part of every book, wacky creatures, strange lands. It feels like you're getting a peak into an ongoing world that continues after you close the book.
Must read: Rumo, City of Dreaming Books, Bluebear.
Pretty good: Alchemasters Apprentice
Meh: Labyrinth of Dreaming Books

I received Between Two Fires as a Christmas present. What am I in for?

>>21431543
>What am I in for?
Try reading the blurb on the back of the book, and after that, try reading it and forming your own opinion on it. But if you are incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers, then try reading the reviews on Goodreads, Amazon, or any websites that does book reviews. And if for some reason, you don't want to do that. then go on youtube and check the reviews there.

>>21431551
What the fuck is wrong with you? Every time somebody tries to stimulate discussion on a book you feel the need to chime in with this type of bullshit. You're not contributing to the thread in the slightest - this is an image board about discussion books, this thread is about fantasy and sci-fi. Why do you try so hard to fit in that you stifle any form of conversation that could be had? I said I own the book, I've obviously read the blurb - god forbid I want to generate some fucking discussion about the book I just started. Please go away and stop posting here, you absolutely miserable fucking subhuman cunt.

>>21431564
>What the fuck is wrong with you?
Nothing, I'm telling him what he's in for if he follows my instructions. Which is why he ask.

>>21431564
>I've obviously read the blurb
Wait, if you read the blurb, then why are you asking what are you in for? Aren’t blurbs supposed to know what you’re in for? Which is their entire singular purpose?

>>21431569
>>21431575
these are bots

>>21431585
No, not a bot, just telling you what you need to do, so you can know "what you're in for".

>>21430994
Fat boys don't want to be fat when they get those ladies, though. Part of the fantasy is being the cool guy who gets all the chicks, not the disgusting fatbody who gets all the chicks.

>if you want to discuss books go to goodreads or reddit
I bet you faggots never went there. Karens won't stop shilling their awful books with female protags and faggots all over the place and won't stop complaining about how books are shit because women aren't important enough or some shit like that. It's unironically easier to discuss self-published coomerbooks than normal editorial books even

New thread
>>21431659