/lit/ - Literature

>>21318887
kys

dumb fedposter

he's always been controlled opposition and for some reason 4chan has failed to see this

>>21318887
Because some zoomers are emotionally lashing out against technology due to the fact that they have no self control. Instead of learning to control their technology addiction they simply adopt a tech evil outlook that excuses them for their behavior by shifting the blame off of them and on to technology.

>>21318887
Just a mix of edge lords & memers nothing new

>>21318887
He was right a leftists, and he's more so correct that modern problems are tied to agriculture and technology. Of course leftists want to control technology, like they do now, because they're only upset they don't have the power oppress their enemies. They're just envious of the lack of power, and don't wish to do away with systems of oppression.

>>21318887
I liked his manifesto even though I didn't accept his ideas (I read it after working at the factory lol). I know that he was a murderer and probably crazy. I don't care about the personality of the author, I'm interested in the book.

the dystopic encroachment felt during the chinkflu circus probably bumped interested somewhat, as well as the ever increasingly nauseating presence of dysgenic leftist mutants playing ball with the system along the lines he finely described

>>21318887
dumb fedposter

>>21318887
Controlled opposition well within the Overton Window as he further encourages the disconnection of society that allows corporate/specialist interests to further carve out society for themselves.

What few valid points he has about technology are completely destroyed by the fact he is an anarchy-libertarian type that would destroy any ethno-cultural unity in a people for the sake of appeasing his mental illness.

>>21319196
based take.

>>21319251
Thank you, anon.

>>21319196
Completely brain dead post by a FBI larper.

>>21319287
What is that is wrong?

>h-hes controlled opposition! LOOK a picture of a NAZI! you have to believe us now
>3 people chime in with "based take anon" all at once
Not buying it, Moshe

>>21319291
Yes you are Mohel, that's why you are implying I am a dirty kike.

>>21319289
Nazism, wignat is not a viable ideology in the states because it would involve ethnic cleansing, and nobody would go along with it. The only groups that push it are wignats/Nazi-align groups because they all have a history of being penetrated by the HOOVER building. You just want to smear the right into being delusion, flat-earth, QAnon, Nazi worshiping retards so that people shift to the left. Its why cucks always like you hide your faces in public, and only say shit like this anonymously because you're trying to egg on impressionable people into doing long wolf attacks, and entrapping themselves into a dead end movement. You are a FED, and Biden cuts your check.

>>21318887
I don't know, he's just some weird schizo, probably used as a boogeyman to discredit some things he got right.
Also, I think we should buy some plot of wilderness and stick people like him there, so they can go monke in peace.

>>21319315
>not a viable ideology in the states because it would involve ethnic cleansing, and nobody would go along with it.
Of course they are. Plenty of people want to see white people removed. Why is the reverse impossible?

You have not addressed what is wrong with the take i put forward, all you did was accuse me of being a spook on the Democrat payrole in an effort to sow discontent and discredit me, not my argument.

You are radicalizing more people than me, Mohel, with your bad faith argument and ad-hominen.

>>21319378
I have. Nazis like you are life long losers who have accomplished nothing. You are blabber and a FBI larper - nothing more. Don't be a pseud with me, kid. I'm not interested. Movements are measured by results you haven't accomplished anything but waste your worthless life on the internet entrapping people into your FBI suicide cults. Get better material, agent.

>>21319427
>Nazis like you are life long losers who have accomplished nothing
Ad-hominen.

>You are blabber and a FBI larper - nothing more.
Ad-hominen.

>Don't be a pseud with me, kid. I'm not interested
Fuckin' lel, cringe.

You don't even post images, are you not allowed access to them?

>>21319708
He hasn't completed image posting training yet. The agents need to carefully study how to properly blend in here.
>>21319427

Never in my life have I ever seen anyone call Ted Controlled Opposition and now this thread acts like it’s a consensus.
Scare little fedboys and leftists.
He’s popular because what he said has only become more accurate with time. That is it. No mystery. He’s right.

>>21319196
his argument that preoccupations with race favor the technical race his perfectly reasonable within the more general scope of human inter-competition, at best you can truthfully argue that considering how men fight even between brothers(and brother nations too), it's pissing in the ocean, i.e even if globalism succeeded in creating a homogeneous mulatto gigamongrel race, there would always be reasons for men to divide themselves and compete and thus ignite a technical competition
the preoccupations of the anti-tech writers are on vaster timescales than nations and not in any direct competition with nationalist ideologies

>>21319802
>i.e even if globalism succeeded in creating a homogeneous mulatto gigamongrel race, there would always be reasons for men to divide themselves and compete and thus ignite a technical competition
No, not if they were chemically neutered and altered from birth.

>>21319427
>nazis like you are losers unlike us paid shills who try to dispell the truth all day on the internet

>>21319781
>Was part of MK ULTRA program that tried brainwashing, programming, memory alteration, implanted memories
>Entirely to program agents and activate them remotely
>Ted K was part of this and had his entire personality stripped away at one point
>Proceeded to conduct a random terrorist attack and used to justify increased draconian methodology

Even if he was not controlled opposition, his thought is. He is a relief value because people who want to be left alone are not able to alter society, they can simply cut themselves off from any mass movement and prevent systemic change.

Contrast that with National-Socialism, which is not controlled opposition as it can, and has historically, completely changed society.

>the preoccupations of the anti-tech writers are on vaster timescales than nations and not in any direct competition with nationalist ideologies
Every anti-tech writer of recent times is anti-nationalist, pro-globalist, anti-white, pro-mongrel and anti-natal. If there was an enviormentalist that a gestalt of Theodore Roosevelt and Ernst Junger, you would have a point, but there is none.

>even if globalism succeeded in creating a homogeneous mulatto gigamongrel race, there would always be reasons for men to divide themselves
I don't care about these people, I care about the small group of people who have conquered, created beauty, cured disease, explored the stars and don't bite infants penises.

Picrel has a better environmental message than anything else in the last 100 years.

>>21319816
point is, division between races while a driving force of inter-human competition and thus a natural food for the demon of technics, it's merely one of the infinite ways that men are capable to find to divide each other in hostile groups, so it's not a specific argument of contention for the anti-tech crowd: if a bunch of pigmies in the congo from the western shore of some bumfuck river want to genocide another group of pigmies east of it, it's utterly irrelevant for anti-tech writers
remove race, and they'll divide themselves by religion, and whatever else, as you said, you'd have to really neuter them into something truly bovine to destroy competition on a deeper basal level

>>21319839
Yes, and that's the plan for the human race it seems.

>>21319839
>>21319845
They want a dumb, brown race which they can easily control with controlled conflict. They do not want Europeans, in whom is the only spirit of strength and nobility found. It is being assailed relentlessly.

>>21319830
Ted was never in MKUltra nor has his personality erased. He was in some psychology study, the worst thing that happened was an aggressive interview.

>>21319866
They do not want
>families consisting of strong, multigenerational bonds
>close-knit neighborhoods/communities
>homeschooling
>children to have 2 parents
>testosterone
>boys to receive any male guidance in their entire educations (no father, no male teachers)
>people to have any conception of their historical identities
>religion of any sort
>Christianity especially
>even the idea that objective moral truths exist is repulsive to them
The list could go on and on and on because really they hate everything that's good

>>21319909
>Christianity especially
It is not native to Europe, it should be ejected. The entire creed is a messiah for the goyim. All others you mention existed and thrived before Christianity arrived upon the shores of Europe.

We can not expel the jew then keep it's bastardized creed. Nothing in it can be made beneficial to a Blood and Soil morality. The core values of Christianity are mercy and forgiveness, it commands you to turn on your blood-kin and value the brother in Christ more. It is offensive to me. That is not to say Christian men of history are the same, many of them I greatly admire, picrel is a fine example. But he would of been stronger if his native creed was the bedrock of his faith.

>>21319982
The Jew hates Christ more than anything.

>>21319909
what anti-tech writers tell you at the end of the day is that the shape of the monster that wants to destroy these things is not as relevant as the monster itself; demolishing all of those is an integral part of what techno-industrial civilization needs to expand at the expense of man, i.e the most malleable atomized and isolated human-shaped cogs possible
if you defeated the current figureheads while not undermining the root cause, you could easily find it coming back from the back door in a new form

>>21319991
They don't hate Christ, they hate you. Christ is the messiah promised to the goyim, he is a dumb tool to the kike. Reject the tribe of Abraham and embrace nativist thought. Take your morality from your kin and your land.

>>21319059
He was even more right about conservatives.

>>21319196
Why would anyone want to 'save their race'? It's a hopeless endeavor, and what's the point? I can understand wanting to save aspects of a culture but the thought of saving a race is somehow disgusting. It's a fight against evolution and adaptation, like they're trying to go extinct or something.

>>21319315
Anything is viable if you look at history. Dream big anon!

>>21319196
>as he further encourages the disconnection of society that allows corporate/specialist interests to further carve out society for themselves.
Let go or be dragged.

>>21319781
Bingo.
People are reaping far less of the fruits of their effort now.

>>21320108
Those are not the only two options. The boat is not yet sunk and the destination not yet reached. Take it all back and repay every act of violence and subversion against those that would see you removed from society. Like this >>21320075 rotten kike.

>>21319781
>He’s popular because what he said has only become more accurate with time. That is it. No mystery. He’s right.

He correctly identified a problem down the road, his solution was ultimately far worse than what it is tried to avoid.

cool webms featuring him flooding the social medias
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1668992870290910.webm

>>21320569

>>21320164
Please state what exactly was his solution?
t. Concerned anon

>>21321081
Rejection of most technology, anarcho-libertarian thought, further social isolation of individuals and atomization of society and the general splitting of bonds that create empathy, love and respect between near-ethnic groups.

>>21319322
Huxley knew you would post this.

>>21319029
>Because some zoomers are emotionally lashing out against technology due to the fact that they have no self control.

Sounds a lot like millennials who think everything is problematic or degenerate, but like to pretend it's "muh zoomers" who are the REAL annoying generation. I swear, this shit is the generational equivalent of the cuckservative who whines that the Dems are the REAL racists.

>>21320569
wtf did they make a short film about him or something

>>21320160
Aristotle didn't think children could think, but somehow grown men can. He doesn't explain how they gain that faculty.

>>21321226
It's a whole biopic. They play up his incel affects but overall it's pretty decent. Very beautifully shot and decent at the aesthetic argument against technological progress.

>>21321159
I feel so bad for neo-Nazis because the Whites they’re trying to save, don’t want to be saved, and in fact, aren’t even worth saving. Whites are the ones who in large support “White genocide,” the policies, practices, and worldview that inexorably leads to it. You’re assuming there’s something good there, something worth saving. They (and a majority of practically every race) support the fucking clot shots, they breathe through their mouths, they swallow the news’ propaganda unthinkingly, implicitly or overtly support the “social justice” cult, and every kind of double-standard about free speech, the right to protest. I get the instinct for self-preservation (which could extend to racial and cultural self-preservation) but it seems like the equivalent of going up to someone on the street you don’t know who’s smoking a cigarette, ripping it out of their mouth and telling them it’s bad for them. That’s the equivalent of trying to save most people from “White genocide”, or whatever the 1% is doing next. You’ll get punched in the face for trying to save them from themselves.

Not only that, but the hardline vanguard of /pol/ Stormfront etc. is mostly either outright FBI shills to discredit alternative political thought, edgy juvenile teenagers spewing toxic vomit, or just really unlikable idiots without any sense of culture or taste, the type who shit up threads about Kafka or Proust because “they’re Jews” (and similarly in this case that Kaczynski is “controlled opposition because he’s not wignat”).

I don’t even necessarily object to the worldview, I hate the Rothschilds and Soros-types, too, I just wish you would do it with some taste, subtlety, sophistication, higher culture and finesse instead of coming in like a clumsy barbarian waving your copy of “Mein Kampf” around. It wouldn’t be any skin off my back to see Lord Nathaniel Jacob Rothschild boiling in the same Talmudic hell of excrement Jesus is reputedly described by them as residing in for sorcery, but a part of me gives them a begrudging contempt for how brilliantly they’ve set it up, they’re like unstoppable cartoon evil supervillains plotting to dominate the world, except it’s actually real, and our grandkids will be taught there’s twenty-three genders, that the establishment of permanent Democratic-Party-rule in the U.S. was a historical revolution in civil rights and progress in human civilization on a par with the ending of slavery and giving women the right to vote, they’ll all have Elon Musk’s NeuraLink implanted into their brains so they can communicate semi-telepathically through TikToks, and, per the revolutionary Musk Free Speech Code of 2032, are allowed to (reasonably and within tolerable limits) hold and argue for more controversial political beliefs in the NeuraWeb (that there are only 15 genders at most, BIPOCLM went a little too far recently using a dirty bomb on that suburban shopping mall, etc.)

>a pack of tigers are eating villagers
>one villager says, guys, maybe we shouldn't let any more tigers lose

gee, why is that a popular opinion?

>>21321224
back too the other thread faggot enlightened centrist, you are very easy to spot

>>21318887
there are so few innocent people left in the world that what has happened to innocent people in the past comes to matter less and less.

>>21321510
>enlightened centrist

Says the LARPing faggot who has probably done fuck all to advance his cause. >>21321295 was right on the money.

>>21321295
what an accurate and depressing post, pls delet

>>21319991
>The enemy of my enemy is my friend
Great Semitic worldview you got there

>>21320132
Productivity=/=Productiveness idiot.

>>21318887
>he bombed a bunch of innocent people.
*npcs
most people are not real, there are around a few thousands people who posses a soul

>>21321615
>most people are not real, there are around a few thousands people who posses a soul

>>21318887
Better question. Why has Spengler or Evola become so popular with you people?
Kaczynski has turned out to be 100% right, not them.

>>21321644
>Why has Spengler or Evola become so popular with you people?

Because it's their version of the geeks who blather on about "REAL hip hop" on YouTube comments, basically. It's all for show. They're not like the other boys.

>>21321159
I don't think you've read any of his stuff. He wants the destruction of the technological system, being in prison he can't be too explicit now but he clearly alludes to destroying power grids as the most important target. His view is that technological society will end in absolute disaster, either the total enslavement or extinction of humanity by tech, or a total ecological collapse that wipes out almost all life on Earth. So in his view, any outcome that avoids those ends and preserves even a bit of nature is better, even if it means billions of human deaths and massive suffering.

>>21321644
>>21321650
Evola and Kaczynski aren't mutually exclusive and even intersect at several points. One passage in CotMW(page 39) questions the progress of technology and states that these new advancements may become the "chief agents in the ultimate catastrophe" among other things.

>lately

you have been living under a rock, there was like a whole thing called pine tree twitter that was like being an ecofag and liking uncle ted and that finnish guy

Anyways, as climate change destroys the planet i expect ted to get more popular

can someone explain me how technological progress can be stopped?

He's a dumb faggot, clearly uneducated in the subjects he attempts to speak about, and his major "work" reads like a teenage diary
Everything he says is shallow garbage that has been discussed a billion times by people a billion times more intelligent in an actually deep way.
No wonder he appeals to the youtube watching, wiki skimming, image board post reading retard generation. What is ironic is technological society produces the kind of brain that wouldn't instantly throw his garbage straight in the trash

>>21319029
>due to the fact that they have no self control.
I wonder what ruined their self control...

>>21321754
>that finnish guy
Who?

>>21319315
>long wolf attacks

>>21321869
lmao
holy fuck you're retarded

>>21319827
>>21319830
Hitler didn't hide who he was, but notice how these feds always do?

>>21318887
He's an intelligent man whose writings undeniably have at least some truths and are well worth reading and discussing. Election tourists, polniggers and other mentally deficient posters learn that he is a terrorist and start to deify him to be edgy. It's very similar to the worship of Evola on this board; they feign interest in his philosophical writings, but the real reason they fawn over him is because they googled him and saw he was an extreme fascist, and delight at the idea of praising him online.

>>21322066
You’re probing my point. You have an external locus of control. Matter bends to spirit, not the other way around.

>>21319830
hitler is arguably the biggest example of controlled opposition in existence, whether or not he actually is
everything he fought to prevent is now happening, just like ted

>>21321754
I don't do social media that requires you to have an account.

>>21321869
t. Didn't read either book

>>21321857
First you need to read about it. Fortunately Ted thoroughly cites the growing body of literature against technology. You should also do what you can to learn about ecological systems. Next, do what you can to delegitamize technocracy. Finally, once you feel you understand the arguments and have thought about it on your own, speak to people IN REAL LIFE about it, and encourage those you think are worth the effort to adopt a less technology viewpoint. Stopping progress isn't the goal. Killing the technological system is the goal.

>>21321857
Technological progress can never be stopped. The current technological industrial system can be stopped.
Dr. Kaczynski suggests using communications technology to spread propaganda for the purpose of destabilizing the system.
Here's an outline:
>1. All propaganda and destabilization must occur in all countries simultaneously to increase the chance of a global collapse. If a revolutionary knows multiple languages, they should attempt to design propaganda to convince individuals from other countries to turn against the Industrial System and produce more propaganda.
>2. Spread propaganda directed towards intelligent and capable people for the purpose of radicalizing them against Industrial Society. These people will form the core cells of a revolution from within.
>3. There is to be no revolutionary structure and no leadership structure. Leadership opens an organization to the possibility of politicization, division, or internal sabotage. All revolutionaries are to operate alone or in tight knit cells.
>4. Spread propaganda directed towards the general populace designed to cause any sort of societal instability. Anything from anarchism, riots, BLM, antifa, right-wing groups, etc. The purpose is destabilization in general, not the creation of a revolutionary mob.
>5. The core of intelligent capable individuals should wait until global instability is great enough that internal sabotage could be enough to break the system. An example would be a politician fomenting international nuclear tensions with other major nations when nuclear exchange is already possible.
The odds of success are exceedingly low. As a fallback, a revolutionary against the Industrial System can support radicalization of the general populace towards a political or ideological movement that they support. For instance, a /pol/tard could support white nationalist movements or a leftist could support a communist movement. This ensures that whether the Industrial System can be destroyed or not, the revolutionary is still able to attain a secondary goal that is also agreeable.

This is all theoretical, I do not support a revolution and I do not and will not ever support any criminal act under any circumstances whatsoever.

>>21323218
As an addendum, the best way to attract highly intelligent and capable individuals is by contacting them directly. It sounds autistic, but one can risk it by sending politicians, nuclear engineers, offshore workers, pilots, &c., personalized emails designed to stimulate their ego and convince them that they are the only hope for the future. Link them to a personalized list of reasons why the Industrial System is causing harm to the world or to them (or their people).
Do not ever send messages to anyone convincing them to commit a crime or any sort of illegal activity under any circumstances. I repeat, do not EVER send any message or communicate in any way that you want someone to perform any illegal act of any kind under any circumstances.

I do not support any criminal activities or illegal acts under any circumstances and I denounce all forms of radicalism and violent acts.

>>21322085
Linkola?

>>21323218
>>21323256
A final three words:

>1. If an individual wants to become a "capable person" they are to go to college and get a job at a major industrial or administrative organization.
>2. Personalized messages to capable individuals should maintain alignment with their political views. A leftist should always be shown that the Industrial System prevents leftist aims, and vice versa with a rightist. Individualized booklets directed towards many major ideologies should be written and publicized. An example might be "Industrialization as a Tool of Oppression" designed to convince bourgeoisie progressives that the Industrial System is what prevents a peaceful multiracial society.

Anyway, that is the basics of how an anti-industrial revolution would work. I don't condone it in any way, I'm just explaining it for anons that were curious.

I actually bought his book. I'm probably on a list now.

>>21323346
>>21323256
>>21323218
Are these notes from technological slavery? Because chapter 3 and 4 of anti tech revolution specifically outline and explain the structure of revolutions.

>>21323413
No, these are my notes and they're based off of the only text that matters.
A revolutionary can structure a revolution however they want. If Kaczynski's later writings outline a different method, then they may do that although I question the likelihood of its success. Alphabets are very good at infiltrating, co-opting or redirecting organizations, so I disagree with Kaczynski there.

>>21319196
Correct. The left an their globalist masters won’t let you live in peace inna woods somewhere. They will stop at nothing short of complete domination down to the man. Opting out of society a cope at best, and a short-lived one as they will find you sooner or later.

>>21323446
That's kinda the point with destroying the Industrial System. Globalists will have far less influence and will not be able to as effectively govern, monitor, and condition such a large amount of people without the technology that enables it.

>>21323429
He considers the version of ISAIF contained within technological slavery to be the definitive version. If that is the "only text that matters" that you are referring to.

>>21323456
You will not destroy the industrial system by living inna woods though. Your enemies will keep using technology, except now only your enemies will, as you have relinquished control over it to them.

>>21323654
Yes. That's why he recommends revolutionaries get good with technology for the purpose of destroying it. Living innawoods and producing propaganda is still fine, of course. But technology must be fought with technology. He wasn't delusional enough to think throwing spears at a nuclear plant would do anything.

>>21319029
A healthy relationship to technology is impossible because it is unnatural. Besides, a good critique of technology does not only focus on the individual's use. Technology is negatively impacting life in ways beyond each individual's control (unless they join together as a collective).

>>21323671
>A healthy relationship to technology is impossible because it is unnatural.
This is a naturalistic fallacy, banging rocks together to make sparks is technology, a simple wind-sail is technology. The technology that is damaging too us is that which makes the struggles of life too easy and removes the independence a family or small community once thrived on.

Remove all electronic forms of entertainment and things will resolve themselves for the better.

>>21323706
He means organization dependent technology. The ONLY problem is organization dependent technology.
God I hate repeating the same things over and over and over and over again in every thread.
I don't mean to insult you, but this is just the case.

>>21323706
>>21323725
Wait! Before you respond, I know what you're about to mention:
The technologies on their own are NOT BAD. Each individual technology, taken by itself, can be VERY GOOD for the individual. However, ALTOGETHER, in the form of the INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM, they have a negative effect. The problem is not individual technologies. It's the system as a whole.

>>21323706
>>21323725
>>21323732
Don't respond yet, I know your next thought:
NO, there isn't a rigorous definition for organization dependent technology. However, he summarizes it here:
>208. We distinguish between two kinds of technology, which we will call smallscale technology and organization dependent technology. Small-scale technology is technology that can be used by small-scale communities without outside assistance. Organization-dependent technology is technology that depends on large-scale social organization.
There's more on this but I have to be quick.

>>21323706
>>21323725
>>21323732
>>21323737
Shit fuck damn. I remembered:
Yes, even in the case that we destroy the industrial system it may come back. But:
>212. Would society EVENTUALLY develop again toward an industrial-technological form? Maybe, but there is no use in worrying about it, since we can’t predict or control events 500 or 1,000 years in the future. Those problems must be dealt with by the people who will live at that time.

>>21323725
>He means organization dependent technology. The ONLY problem is organization dependent technology.

Ive not read much Ted, though from what little I have he is far in to anarcho-libertarian thought. What is includee under organization dependant technology? I suspect we will have some small amount of overlap with regard to modern convenience ruining our health, community and future.

>>21323754
Suppose it takes more than 100 people to make a technologically derived product. You would need an organization to oversee this. Ex: cell phones. Not only are groups needed to gather the materials, more groups are needed to refine them and package them, further groups needed to design them, further to market them, further to distribute them, further groups to make them work (gps, radio technology, internet infrastructure).
He is also not an anarchist, nor is he a libertarian. He is anti-tech, period. It's not power he has trouble with, nor hierarchies, nor government or anything like that. It's technology. Simply tech.

>>21323754
Kaczynski's politics do not matter. The only real objective is destruction of the industrial system. Monarchy, fascism, communism, democracy, it really doesn't matter what form society takes after the destruction of the technological system. The single biggest problem is the industrial system, and Kaczynski warns against political movements.
>What is includee under organization dependant technology?
read >>21323737
and:
121. A further reason why industrial society cannot be reformed in favor of freedom is that modern technology is a unified system in which all parts are dependent on one another. You can’t get rid of the “bad” parts of technology and retain only the “good” parts. Take modern medicine, for example. Progress in medical science depends on progress in chemistry, physics, biology, computer science and other fields. Advanced medical treatments require expensive, high-tech equipment that can be made available only by a technologically progressive, economically rich society. Clearly you can’t have much Progress in medicine without the whole technological system and everything
that goes with it.
122. Even if medical progress could be maintained without the rest of the technological system, it would by itself bring certain evils. Suppose for example that a cure for diabetes is discovered. People with a genetic tendency to diabetes will then be able to survive and reproduce as well as anyone else. Natural selection against genes for diabetes will cease and such genes will spread throughout the population. (This may be occurring to some extent already, since diabetes, while not curable, can be controlled through use of insulin.) The same thing will happen with many other diseases susceptibility to which is affected by genetic degradation of the population. The only solution will be some sort of eugenics program or extensive genetic engineering of human beings, so that man in the future will no longer be a creation of nature, or of chance, or of God (depending on your religious or philosophical opinions), but a manufactured product.

>>21323754
Your final question might be "how can a technology be good on its own but restrict freedom when put in the context of industrial society":
>127. A technological advance that appears not to threaten freedom often turns out to threaten it very seriously later on. For example, consider motorized transport. A walking man formerly could go where he pleased, go at his own pace without observing any traffic regulations, and was independent of technological support-systems. When motor vehicles were introduced they appeared to increase man’s freedom. They took no freedom away from the walking man, no one had to have an automobile if he didn’t want one, and anyone who did choose to buy an automobile could travel much faster and farther than a walking man. But the introduction of motorized transport soon changed society in such a way as to restrict greatly man’s freedom of locomotion. When automobiles became numerous, it became necessary to regulate their use extensively. In a car, especially in densely populated areas, one cannot just go where one likes at one’s own pace; one’s movement is governed by the flow of traffic and by various traffic laws. One is tied down by various obligations: license requirements, driver test, renewing registration, insurance, maintenance required for safety, monthly payments on purchase price. Moreover, the use of motorized transport is no longer optional. Since the introduction of motorized transport the arrangement of our cities has changed in such a way that the majority of people no longer live within walking distance of their place of employment, shopping areas and recreational opportunities, so that they HAVE TO depend on the automobile for transportation. Or else they must use public transportation, in which case they have even less control over their own movement than when driving a car. Even the walker’s freedom is now greatly restricted. In the city he continually has to stop to wait for traffic lights that are designed mainly to serve auto traffic. In the country, motor traffic makes it dangerous and unpleasant to walk along the highway. (Note this important point that we have just illustrated with the case of motorized transport: When a new item of technology is introduced as an option that an individual can accept or not as he chooses, it does not necessarily REMAIN optional. In many cases the new technology changes society in such a way that people eventually find themselves FORCED to use it.)
Deleted the old post to reformat. Just going to give up if this is botched too

>>21321295
based and blackpilled

>>21318887
I don't know, but USA's torturing of criminals in supermax prisons is by itself a good enough reason to wish for the complete destruction of that backwards shithole. I hope it burns to the ground ASAP.

>>21323769
Marxian communism requires an industrial system in order to function, and leftists have no kind words for primitive communism nowadays. Fascism is built around speed, power, machines, might. It would not function without an industrial system, it would simply be another petty decentralized autocracy.

Monarchies funded and supported industrialization as it happened. Surely, they can exist without it, but it is liable that they will simply grow another out of their existence (inb4 midwit filters like coal reserves as a cheap excuse to try and 'negate' this). And democracies naturally give rise to bourgeois who will happily fund another industrial system.

If you want collapse of industry, the only way to ensure it sticks is the extinction of humanity.

>>21322146
>>21322974
>lmao
>holy fuck you're retarded
>t. Didn't read either book
Expected level of discourse when teenagers are confronted with the reality of their dumbfuck existence and dumbasses they were memed into elevating

>>21323256
>the best way to attract highly intelligent and capable individuals is by contacting them directly
Problem with this is that highly intelligent and capable individuals would start laughing hysterically at this retarded ass shallow "ideology"
Kill yourself

>>21323398
>I'm probably on a list now.
CIA doesn't keep a list of retards and internet addicted teens

>>21318887
I want harsh social Darwinism to return.

Too many deformed and ugly people were allowed to reproduce, and they're making life harder for the functional people.

90% of you would not have survived in a pre-Industrial world (and that's literally a good thing).

>>21318887
Because he is anti trans humanism. Which is the theology of the elite right now, and so ripe for rebelling against.

>>21318887
Who?

>>21321240
and this discredits his beliefs on maintaining a ethnically homogeneous countries how?

>>21325661
He's doing typical "Someone is wrong about one thing, therefore wrong about the rest" nonsense.

Gen Z has been taught by their union school teachers that the revolution is at hand.

https://youtu.be/RTZoJ01FpD8

>>21319882
I thought they used him in some LSD experiments..

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-jul-06-me-53482-story.html

Sometimes the results were disastrous. A dram of LSD fed by Gottlieb himself to an unwitting U.S. army officer, Frank Olson, plunged Olson into escalating psychotic episodes, which culminated in Olson’s fatal descent from an upper window in the Statler-Hilton in New York. Gottlieb was the object of a lawsuit not only by Olson’s children but also by the sister of another man, Stanley Milton Glickman, whose life had disintegrated into psychosis after being unwittingly given a dose of LSD by Gottlieb.

What did Murray give Kaczynski? Did the experiment’s long-term effects help tilt him into the Unabomber’s homicidal rampages? The CIA’s mind experiment program was vast. How many other human time bombs were thus primed? How many of them have exploded?

>>21318887
Just because he did some awful things doesn't make his ideas bad. Separating the art from the artist and all that.

>>21325104
>Problem with this is that highly intelligent and capable individuals would start laughing hysterically at this retarded ass shallow "ideology"
A demonstrably capable PhD mathematician already accepted "this retarded ass shallow ideology." Many individuals in academia already have extreme environmentalist views. Shallow ideologies already prevail everywhere in society and among all social and economic strata.
It doesn't make a difference; and if getting laughed at and called a retard is a concern, you're clearly a faggot. It won't be easy (read: almost impossible) for revolutionaries to convince people to, essentially, throw their lives away for the cause. The point is that it's better than allowing IS to progress any further.

>>21325687
Aristotle was wrong about a ton of things. He's still Aristotle though.

>>21326615
Hey anon, I'm not especially convinced technological society is going to be all that bad. You have anything to convince me?

Ted is our Diogenes

Because he was right to a certain extent. Humans were not biological evolved for the things we are subjecting them to with Technology.

The problem is Ted turned into a guy that sends bombs to peoples homes.

>>21323346
>>21323256
>>21323218
kek that tag line to get the glowies off the scent

>>21326677
The best thing you can possibly do is read ISaiF. The arguments he makes are far better than any that I could devise.

>some simple environmentalist arguments
If you are an environmentalist, industrial society harms the environment. Even if a time comes where the system can properly repair the environmental damage caused by the industrial system and prevent further damage, there is nothing stopping a future technology from obliterating humanity/earth before the effects of the technology are properly known. Some technologies, like DDT, BPA, and PCBs were not known to be dangerous until decades afterwards. Luckily, the effects are not that severe considering what could have been. Imagine a "ticking timebomb" chemical that seems beneficial for a while, but long term effects of its exposure to the environment cause extreme problems that could not have been known in advance. Furthermore, future super weapons or industrial accidents could end humankind or the earth as a whole.

>power of government
If you are anti-globalist, industrial society amplifies the power and reach of governments and organizations. The mass social conditioning and control we see among zoomers is a result of the powers of propaganda aided by advanced technological systems. Dragnets, monitoring, satellites, etc., all aid organizations in silencing and eliminating dissent. It also assists in eliminating those just trying to live their own lives; in the past, it was conceivable for a peasant to live deep in the woods and more or less uninfluenced by harmful governments; now, governments can extend their influence to the farthest reaches of the planet with little difficulty and almost immediately with modern transport.

If you want a less materialistic argument, Kaczynski makes many in ISaiF. These revolve around freedom, dignity, and self-determination.

>>21319029
>due to the fact that they have no self control
do they even have a choice in the matter, you expect a 9 year old to know these things when he started using technology

>>21318887
Was he right about this? A lot of Reddit types seem to fit this bill where they pride themselves on being educated and freethinkers etc. Yet the whole Reddit system itself cancels any opposing opinions. You can even qeustion anything on any covid related subreddit without getting instantly banned

Even saw a thread today on covid and they still hold onto the idea that the covid vax stops and slows transmission due to studies from back in July/aug 2021. Basically a "controlled" environment rather than real world application. Yet here we are over a year later where cases now are higher than ever and these same people even admit to having caught covid multiple times already from their vaxxed only peers and social groups. And the same people who are still scared like crazy over it even though they're still so confident that it stops and slows transmission. Truly bizarrw

>>21327086
Of course he was right. It also aligns with a thought that I had for a long time before I read his work. The future will be one of "permanent revolution."
The government will pretend itself to be "the resistance", and the citizenry will believe that the truest act of dissent and rebellion against "the system" is to fight for the very same system.
You can see this occuring with bourgeois progressives that have almost total control over most of the world's governments yet believe they are "the resistance", and the numerous liberal proles that they keep on a leash are none the wiser.
I think this was part of how communist goverments operated to diffuse dissent, although I'm not particularly well read on this.

>>21325115
Based

>>21319315
> because it would involve ethnic cleansing
Somehow racially segregated communities are the norm without anyone being “cleansed”. You can watch cities be divided block by block even with people in the same SES. These are the “success stories” in integration too by the way. Melting pot all that propaganda.

Clearly people freely choose not to blend. You claim it’s a radical upsetting idea that groups should want to self segregate and self govern. It’s just impossible, somehow. But only if you’re identifying as white. If you’re jewish you can both rule your own neighborhood and institute a pseudo police to patrol those streets. Uou can segregate from society, have your own religious laws that skirt or break regular law. No problem. You can even proudly proclaim your allegiance isn’t to the country you’re a citizen of. Supreme court judges and every elected official is sure to proclaim they love Israel if any of this should be brought up.

>>21327086
> they still hold onto the idea that the covid vax stops and slows transmission due to studies from back in July/aug 2021
Funny how medical misinformation never applied to people who were lying to the benefit of the propaganda.

too much archaic revival

>>21322091
lmao

>>21319029
But Ted believed that an individual *can* learn to control their use of technology. He just didn't think it was possible on a societal level.
Although, I do agree with you that people often externalize their own faults onto technology.

>>21318887
>innocent people

>>21321615
Why do people try to justify his obviously wrong actions just because they agree with his ideology.

The idea that the power process would be a dominant psychological need for the majority of people is laughable for those that read Hegel or read Popper talking about Hegel. Even those who read Hegel indirectly through reading Marx should see through the nonsense.
Schopenhauer anons see that his whole analysis falls together like a card of house because his axiom is ignoring reality and even low lifes like Camus fags can only shake their head in slightly amused disbelief.

But new /lit/ doesn't actually read and therefore can't compare his analysis with those of smarter people.

The core psychological needs of people are 1. searching and finding your place in the world (so an open processes is needed that also realiable gives the illusion of certainty) and 2. belonging to a (powerful) collective group. There are probably be more but these are the minimum requirements.
How can we see that that's the case? Every society that worked for more than 10 years fulfilled these. Nationalism works, Christianity does just like every other major organized religion (unorganized don't though unless they live in a closed society), authoritarian socialism does (anti-authoritarian socialism probably doesn't, the Spanish Civil War was too short to give a conclusive judgement but it doesn't look good and there are no other good real world examples to base an opinion on, the nonexistance probably isn't a coincidence though), capitalism doesn't but allows subsystems (like Christianity but also transsexuality as an idientity or making lifting weights your life and lots of other silly stuff) that do. Teds system doesn't fulfill the minimum rerquirements. Keep that in mind, even garbage like becoming trans fulfills the minimum requirements but Teds bullshit doesn't. (Popper explains all this in The Open Society and its enemies when he talks about Hegels nationalism, Marx explains this in the Capital)

I liked Ted when I was 16 and even more uneducated then now but when you are through with your "start with the greeks " phase you should be able to spot all the places where a hypermasculine incel (which he is, he is involuntary celibate and hypermasculine) tried to trick you into believing that his special needs and unrepresentative priorities would in fact be the needs of everyone. Teds system didn't even work for himself, how the fuck would it work for normies?

>>21328464
Most ironic post I've ever read

Tradlarpers just love larping so much now they’re revlarping ahahaha they won’t do shit they can’t help but just consoom and chill. Consoom ideology and culture. Do nothing. post another thread on 5chan we really got the system on the ropes KEK

>>21328464
Holy fuck, how could someone have fit so much mental retardation into one post
lmao
> even garbage like becoming trans fulfills the minimum requirements but Teds bullshit doesn't.
fucking lmao for real holy shit
> Teds system didn't even work for himself, how the fuck would it work for normies?
You have to be high as fuck right now. Did you even read the thread? Not gonna lie, if this is bait it's pretty good.

>>21328489
Just take the bread pill, it's actually edible.

>>21319196
Imagine if "society" didn't want to save itself and therefore deserved to die

Wait, that's not what Hitler said when he was in his bunker during his last days right ? I wouldn't know because like every god "natsoc" I stopped studying his story when things got uncomfortable

>>21328464
Holy shit. Actually based.

>>21328420
The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people. He won a nobel peace prize. Sometimes society declares the murder of others to be justified.

>>21328558
Didn't he win first then bomb people?

>>21328464
>The idea that the power process would be a dominant psychological need for the majority of people is laughable
Should have stopped here

>>21328673
He also said that the second need is the power process

>>21328731
Laughable

>>21328731
>He also said that the second need is the power process
Belonging to a (powerful) collective group does not mean the family or the extended family/tribe according to Popper and Hegel. The family and the tribe are not powerful.

>>21328731
>>21328749
That doesn't even have anything to do with the power process outlined by big K.

>>21328673
>>21328731
>>21328742
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>>21328753
Why even engage a post that is obvious bait?
The very first sentence is innacurate. He acts as if the success of some types of societies refutes Kaczynski, when Kaczynski addresses this in the first half of his very first published work. He states that Ted doesn't fill the "basic requirements" of a structure that Kaczynski wasn't concerned with.
But the real gem is the last sentence. If you didn't realize it was bait by then, then you're fucked.

>>21328800
Better yet his post was already refuted earlier itt.

I know a few guys IRL who are serious devotees of his type and one has become a kind of death cultist. Wants to get rid of modern medicine and become kind of Amish. But it is in this bizarre middle class way where he is trying to get people to abandon their debit cards for coins and get people to cycle everywhere. I think it is a mix of coziness and a death wish and it is impractical. I think these guys will change their mind when 1 in 2 of their children die in childbirth. How do I snap my bro out of this anons?

>>21328965
The Amish use modern genetic screening, to annoyed their inbreeding problems. Maybe you are thinking of Christian Scientists?

>>21318887
He has got vindicated over time as the left took over the institutions and is leading the West into technocratic dystopia

>>21319866
Anyone else find this infographic hilarious? Why is "Rome" there, there is no nation of Rome? Why is Greece listed as "Ancient Greece" but Rome is just "Rome"? Simply hilarious.

>>21323398
shut up larper

>>21326758
>he was right but he shouldn't have acted on his beliefs
LOL!

>>21329278
Nice Strawman. There were other methods he could of used without going straight to murder. Also killing people wouldn't have solved anything anyway. Do you think killing a couple of people is going to stop a tech revolution that was in progress?

>>21329558
Even I know that wasn't his purpose, and I've never read any of him. It was a publicity stunt. One that worked but cost him a lot.

>>21318887
tewwowism is fucking cool!!!

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