/lit/ - Literature

Bakker is King.

Hey assholes, I just finished The Lost Metal, I read a whole book today. The fuck have you been doing? Shitting in each other's open mouths arguing about who has worse taste? Sounds like an interesting novel.

>>21259605
Is it a good read? I've been reading The Poppy War. Only on chapter 8 but I'm enjoying it a lot so far.

I read the new mistborn book so /sffg/ doesn't have to, here there be spoilers
>Trell = Bavadin = Autonomy, Wax's sister tries to become an avatar of Autonomy, fails
>Autonomy tries invading Scadrial through an artificial perpendicularity created from concentrated investiture, which Marasi and the kidnapped allomancers from book 1 consume
>Wayne is accidentally the 4th richest person in the world, becomes a full mistborn with a tiny amount of lerasium, then dies at the end detonating harmonium/trellium nukes inside a duralumin speed bubble
>Kelsier (Thaidakar) can't use metals currently, wants to mass produce allomancers/feruchemists to protect Scadrial and rants at Sazed for being a useless retard who did nothing while almost losing his planet
>Marasi gets an invite to join the Ghostbloods and turns it down because she wants to go into politics
>Shai is a member of the Ghostbloods on Scadrial
>Chouta somehow made it to Scadrial
>MeLaan worldhops to Roshar via the Horneater perpendicularity
>Wax survives, Steris survives and becomes a disaster management officer
>Ghostbloods have a few Skybreaker members on Scadrial, and also have access to concentrated Dor and a dude who uses powers from Yolen that aren't part of Adonalsium's power set

>>21259539
Just finished The Stars my Destination by Bester. It's real fucking good. Nearly 70 years old and does a good job of not ageing itself.

Things go a little to well for the protagonist at times, who is a fucking monster, but it was still tense, and the payoff at the end actually a bit unexpected (by me anyway, the book telegraphs is with fucking neon lights, thinking about it).

And the other characters don't just wait around for the protag either. They grow, adapt on their own. I forgot how many books fail at this until I read this.

Read classic sf, you.

>>21259567
>Bakker is King.

>>21259695
I met him and he was a cool guy, he has passion for fantasy and knows the good from the schlock.

>>21259809
he looks like a fucking nerd
>knows the good from the schlock.
then why is he at a bakker convention then

>>21259693
You might want to check out The Demolished Man as well. It's not nearly as strong, but still a fun and interesting read

>>21259821
He looks like a real man, they all look based and like 4chan users unlike sanderson convention which looks like R*DDIT and twitter users.

>>21259939
Sanderson is an abrahamic golem so naturally his fans are as well.

Is fantasy monsters raping humans to procreate something of western origin or is it a japanese-original spin? The only thing that comes to mind is of course Alien but that was more of a parasitic injection than actual interspecies rape-impregnation.

>>21259962
I'd guess it has its roots in various disparate pagan belief systems. If you mean more recently it's much more likely to come out of the east given that the old folklore wasn't bulldozed by an abrahamic religion like in europe

Most Supreme Booktuber

>>21260143
They have them in medieval catholic myths too though
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

>>21259692
Does Wax also becomes full mistborn? What happened to Marasi after she consume the pool of investiture?

Any new romance lit?

>>21260211
Eww, we don't like romance here

Goodreads' Best of 2022 list is out, and, like previous years, the science fiction/fantasy nominations are shit:

https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-science-fiction-books-2022

https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-fantasy-books-2022

>>21260317
Bakker rules supreme
Goodreads best of 2022 rage and scream

>>21260324
>Goodreads best of 2022 rage and scream
Best of 2022 from niggers/faggots/women because, apparently, those are the only kinds of authors out there, according to Goodreads.

>>21259939
They all look like skinny nerdy fags

>>21260317
Fantasy will be a tough contest between Stephen King and Sarah J Maas. Sanderson with his army of redditors and Jemisin with her cartload of Hugos can't compare.

>>21260334
they are TWUNKS, which means they are hunk twinks.

>>21260340
>Jemisin with her cartload of Hugos
You mean her diversity participation trophies. Her books are shit.

>>21259539
me gusta
makes my peepee muy macho

>>21259884
I ordered it half way through Stars! Got to swing around to fantasy, horror, and another sci fi author before I can go back to Bester. Next month maybe

>>21260317
Not only sci-fi/fantasy, all categories are shit. I end up scrolling all of them, and it's all shit for 30 something women, the kind of cheap shit with purple/pink covers with titles in metallic green you find in stacks at any book store.

>tfw still no physical version of LotM
Chinks do your job already :(

>>21260317
>

>>21260317

Picked these up today, what am I in for? Pardon the red light

>>21259692
is this a falseflag?

>>21260373
Is that the one where Big E goes full Super Saiyan and wrecks shit?

>>21260317
horrendous. fucking horrendous.

read cradle

>>21260317
>Hunger of the Gods isn't on fantasy the list
I am dissapoint.

I voted for Sea of Tranquility in science fiction because it's the only one on the list I've read.

>>21260796
Reynolds is a good writer. Don't know about the other.

/sffg/'s thoughts on his work?

>>21260317
I haven't read anything that came out this year.

>>21260918
I've read nearly everything he's written. Like him a lot. He's clearly done a lot of research about faeries, folklore, and mythology. It shows in the way these things recur in his books.

As for his writing style, his pace is very slow, even languid. Tension gradually builds up over the course of his novels before rapidly resolving a lot of plot threads all at once near the end. And the larger plot threads do this over the course of his series, which are always trilogies that were too long and got turned into tetrologies (MS&T, Shadowmarch, Otherland all 4 book series). He's gradually sped up his pacing over his career but he's still very slow compared to his contemporaries who like to quickly dart from major event to major event. I don't particularly dislike this faster paced form of writing, but I like that Tad Williams exist as a counterpoint to it. Man takes his time setting up characters and world and lets you immerse yourself in it.

Favorite series from him is Shadowmarch. The mythology of that series gripped me. It was a puzzle I had so much fun solving. I actually drew a diagram at one point to try and map out which gods were which in each version of the scripture, once I figured out the stories didn't line up and some of the names didn't correspond the way I thought they did.

Favorite Guy Gavriel Kay book? I want to start reading his work but I'm not sure where to start.

>>21260976
I always get the feeling Good Reads' shit isn't really aimed at actual genre enthusiasts so much as at people who read new books because they're new. Just look at the state of book tube. People read and discuss contemporary with most not even having read anything older.

What edition of "the darkness that comes before" is the most complete one?

I read the ebook a few months ago and recently started a second read-through of a physical copy from my local library, and it seems that the ebook contains a few extras, such as: an expanded appendice with language tree and the diagram drawn by Achaimian, plus a few new lines in the book proper, one example being the nursery rhyme starting the second part of the prologue.

>>21261112
What the fuck is this prose? You people read shit like this?

>>21261121
bro I read webnovels this is nothing

>>21260994
I started with Under Heaven, it's great.

>>21261131
bro i read lightnovels this is nothing

Translated reading taught me that prose is a meme. A good book doesn't need to try to impress you with silly word games, it impresses you with a good story instead.

>>21261324
A great book impresses you with both.

>>21261324
To this day I still don't know what makes good prose or bad prose I just like the writing or I don't.

story is good?
book is good
simple as

>>21261398
if it has MMC romance with an older women and no american cuckoldry, it is a good book in my book.

>>21260796
I really enjoyed Aurora. In fact it's the only KSR I've truly liked.

Unexpected.

>>21261704
what's that book on the right

>>21261704
Both of these look like unreadable shit

>>21261709
Judging by the name it's a LitRPG. More specifically an MMO one. That's literally all I can glean from that but nothing's called "PLAY: Hexworld Book 2" and isn't that.

>>21261709
Kevin J Anderson (the man who really wrote the shitty Dune sequels) tried his hand at litrpg. It was truly horrible. I am a very forgiving reader and I dropped it. I don't remember a single thing about it other than that it was aggressively boring.

>>21261717
>>21261722
shame
I thought it was some godzilla-esque lit by that cover

Question about Asimov reading order. If all I've read from him are I, Robot and the first Foundation trilogy would it be okay for me to read Robots and Empire and not be confused or should I read a little more into his robot novels before delving into it. The premise has me interested a lot but something tells me I'm going to be really confused reading it

>>21261755
At least read his early robot detective books first (Caves of Steel and Naked Sun). Then optionally the Galactic Empire trilogy.

Then pick up his 1980s stuff in publication order. That would be Foundation's Edge, Robots of Dawn, Robots and Empire, Foundation and Earth, I think .

>>21261722
Kevin J. Anderson is infamous among the Star Wars EU fandom for writing some of the worst books in the franchise that weren't by Karen Traviss

I hate the prologue and am just tuning it out. Hopefully the rest is better

reading mistborn and goddamn it's trash (but its's fun)

Anybody got good stereotypical hardboiled noir detective novels but in scifi or fantasy settings? I watched Alien Nation recently and thought "why aren't there more books like this?"
Note that I'm not necessarily looking for techno-thrillers like Patterson or Preston and Childs or Crichton, I'm talking something like Mickey Spillane or Raymond Chandler but with aliens or orcs or whatever.

reading a wizard of earthsea and enjoying it so far. but i feel kind of bad because this is a book for children and i am not a child.

>>21261704
>fantasy starbucks is the most popular goodreads fantasy
Even Reincarnated As A Vending Machine seems more interesting. At least it has an absurdist element.

>>21260195
>Does Wax also becomes full mistborn? What happened to Marasi after she consume the pool of investiture?
Yes, although probably far weaker than Vin's era of mistborns. Nothing special happens to Marasi.

Oh it's pozzed too. Sasuga western fantasy.

>>21262125
Lesbians and bisexual women who end up with men are such easy LGTBBQ points

>>21262188
>Bisexual women who end up with men
I've seen this once. It's really rare.

Goodreads Choice Awards
Fantasy: 4/20 male
Science Fiction: 9/20 male

>goodreads first page
Sandersonbros, I don't feel so good...

>>21262021
Garrett, P. I. might be what you're looking for.

>>21261841
>like Star Wars, Gears of War and Halo
>watch helplessly as she fucks up each series after the fact with her shitty novels

>>21262244
If I have to I will literally right my own fantasy/sci-fi books before I ever read one made by a woman.

>>21262308
mite b cool, does Garrett have sex with any monstergirls?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa_WCuoIt7k&ab_channel=BrandonSanderson
KINO KINO KINO KINO

>>21262465
Finished it all today. My boy Sandy has done it again.

>>21262427
lol

Which group on /lit/ is larger?
>Sanderson fans
>Sanderson false flaggers

>we get two new Red Rising books this coming year
Gory damn Goodman, this is absolutely prime. Who else hyped?

>>21262465
>I don't give a fuck about keeping things self-contained anymore, starting with The Lost Metal, I am going full MCU now.
it sounds bad but his speech is kinda based

>>21262539
My boy Sandy going fucking IN on James Patterson. GOD DAMN!

Why do jannies get triggered by Sando and Bakker?

>>21262539
Weird

>>21259692
Thank you, I am not wading through that series just for the few Stormlight pieces

>>21262733
There are some other hints that SA5 does NOT turn out okay.

>>21262749
Fine I will just read it

>>21262758
A wise decision my friend.

Which author was it again that randomly accused other fantasy authors of being pedophilic in an interview?

>>21262769
idk but based and probably true

>go to 17th Shard on a whim to check new books, mainly anything about that investiture conversion book
>accidentally spoiled on new planet names and some Shard locations
And that's how I found out that The Lost Metal released today. Those fucking autists don't wait.

>>21262769
sounds like something terry goodkind (pbuh) would've done

>>21261112
This paperback has all of those things. The maps get a bit scrunched in the binding though.

has anybody read pic-rel, if so how was it? I remember buying it for some treason from a thrift store but never got around to reading it

>>21262125
Sounds fun, I’ve read dumber plots

>>21259692
This is all accurate. I've read and wrote up about the book as well. I'll post it after I wake up and look over it again.

>>21259539
this is definitely the most onions genre of literature but its always been my favorite regardless

I have finished my yearly dose of mormon anime, it was enjoyable. I wish sando would cut Stormlight books in half, these shorter novels suit him better.

Anyone read The city of Folding faces? Is it any good?

>>21263211
it wasn't always like this...
sci-fi used to be written by coomer nerds for coomer nerds...

>>21263235
looks spooky

>>21263234
I've always thought the anime comparison was silly since there's so much more it's so much closer to. I completely agree about the Stormlight books though.

Any books that feature the protagonist, preferably male, rising up in ranks, be it leaderboards, rankings, in a school setting, a corporation, guild or anything like that

>>21261324
I have to disagree anon. For how much Sword and Sorcery I’ve read, Robert E. Howard still stands out as the master largely because his prose lent his character and stories a liveliness that sets them apart.
Gene Wolfe uses archaic vocabulary and a simple, almost modernist style in Book of the New Sun and it does a wonderful job at making his world feel half familiar, half alien.
J. R. R. Tolkien wrote The Silmarillion in the style of an old mythology to great effect. There’s a beauty to that book which I think no other fantasy novel has been able to capture, the first line still sticks with me;
“There was Eru, the One”
I think prose is very important.

>>21263283
Bastion sequel when
Iron Prince sequel when

Shallan requires rape correction

>>21261324
proselets get out

>>21263283

Codex Alera pretty much has the main character slowly rise in power and stature, each title is essentially the position in society that he's earned in that book.

>>21263390
already read that one, sadly

Brandy Sandy

It's based

>>21263463
Which mistborn book is this?

>>21263497
A spinoff but it's better

>>21263463
Why do so many booktubers hate it

>>21263532
Because they only care about Harry Potter, LotR, Game of Thrones and The Witcher. All equally shit.

Is Homestuck Literature?

>>21260317
>war of two queens
>ireegular witches
>when women were dragons
>daughter of the moon
>elektra
Female gender was a mistake

>>21263588
>>21260317
Fuck it, a FSN fanfic is my most marketable novel idea

>>21263463
Seething chinkoid still mad about nanking(which never happened!)

>>21259539
Haven't read anything from Peter Watts, but I was looking for sci fi/horror books (in that order of relevance but ideally, it is both) and his name came up. Have anyone read any of his works?

>>21263547
Wow sounds kind of like this general.

>>21264017
>Have anyone read any of his works?
Yes.

>>21264030
Is it good? Any particular recommendation? With horror elements if possible

>>21263560
It is a comedy, tragedy and farce. In that order

>>21264073
Blindsight gets recommended a lot. Mostly because it's free, but it's entertaining enough for sci-fi horror.

anyone else skip fight scenes? they're so fucking boring

>>21264313
That's just the scene being boring, Anon. Good fight scene is as good as any other scene.

Although you might have Aphantasia, people with Aphatnasia generally hate fight scenes.

>>21264330
>Aphatnasia

>>21264330
What DOES make a good fight scene in books, anyway? I've sort of leaned towards ones that focus on key moments, because a blow-by-blow is just really boring.

>>21264404
Depends on the author's style. But I haven't read a blow-by-blow one that wasn't pure shit.

>>21264404
Good is doing the opposite of that thing where the author makes up stupid names for attacks that say nothing.
>and then he did heron sniffing his sister's panties and it totally beat the enemy it was so awesome.

>>21264442
>another filtered by BotNS

>>21264416
Fair enough. Happen to have a favourite fight scene, actually? I'm trying to think of anything recently and Will Wight did some pretty good ones, though only a few in Cradle. Traveler's Gate actually has a pretty great one in its third book. It's over-the-top and blatantly anime as hell, but it has a moment where the protagonist gets launched up so high into the sky he touches the clouds, goes "Huh, that's what they feel like", and then plummets back down to slash at the guy who launched him. It's dumb, but it's fun and evocatively written.

>>21264469
Fight scenes cling to my mind only really when they are particularly bad. But on top of my head, the magic fight in The People of the Black Circle between the sorcerer dude and the nigga ring was pretty cool.

>>21264404
The fight itself needs to be a contextually interesting, and the events of the fight need to play off said context in an interesting way. Usually fights that are dogshit are so because the author thinks that danger or spectacle automatically makes fights interesting, or use them arbitrarily as a cliched plot device. If a fight isn't memorably unique both due to circumstance and the events that play out within it, it shouldn't be there to begin with.

At least, that's my interpretation based on what I like about RI fights compared to other action fantasy. "You stumble across a small squad of goblins in the forest, prepare for battle!" will basically never be an interesting fight unless you do something really off the wall like kill several main characters to compensate for how generic the situation is.

>>21262014
>(but its's fun)
I wish. Also, learn to spell, loser.

>>21264616
>learn to spell, loser.
i do not respect enlighs enough to

>just finish the sprint at the end of The Warrior Prophet
>think I'm finally done with all the cuck shit now that Serwë is dead
>move to The Thousandfold Thought
>berated by Esmenet describing how Akka can hear the moans of pleasure fat Dûnyain cock elicits from her next door
At least the sorcery is pretty cool in this world.

>>21262308
>contently portrayed as a noir private detective
>doesn't actually dress like that in the books
marketing, I guess

>>21263532
Really? My impression was that many love it purely because it's Chinese fantasy.

How the fuck is Malazan so divisive? It's high fantasy. You'd think that would be pretty clear cut in terms of who it appeals to.

>>21259539
The Lost Metal, Wax & Wayne #4 / Mistborn #7 - Brandon Sanderson (2022)

The Lost Metal takes place and has been published roughly six years after The Bands of Mourning. This one is an investigation and counteroperation. It reminds me somewhat of a spy thriller. What it's really about though is references, references, and more references. If you've only read the Mistborn series, or somehow only this Era, it's possible that you may feel overwhelmed and not understand the significance of what's happening. Characters from nearly every system have a role and almost everything Cosmere-related that's been written is referenced in some way. New named systems, which may be related to the secret projects are mentioned. There are hints about what is to come in the various series.

I don't have any interest in the fandom, but the wider Cosmere is a primary draw for me. I know there are those who become unreasonablely irate at anything outside of a particular series being mentioned. That's silly because this has been the plan from the very beginning. It's been almost eighteen years since both the publication of Elantris and my reading of it. Longer still has it been since Sanderson decided upon this plan. For me, it's quite nice to see that plan in its first stages of being realized now that sufficient material has been published. Sanderson has confirmed that these crossovers will be both the norm and his legacy. His The Lost Metal Release Day video goes into detail about the specifics.

Character and plot developments have taken their course, so this book is mostly resolution. An exception is Marasi, who takes a leading role and confronts who she is and what she wants out of life. There are several characters introduced that have their own development, some continuing from previous works and others making their debut. These characters give quite a different feel for the chapters featuring them. The world has a different feel to me as well. It's only been six years but it seems so much more modern than it did in previous books. Considering their rate of advancement, I'd be surprised if Era 3 takes place more than a 100 years after Era 2, though Era 2 took place 300 years after Era 1. The glimpse at how Era 4 technology may work, which may have already been shown in Sixth of Dusk, was neat.

After the final chapter there are seven epilogues, which is very Sanderson. Era 2 has concluded in better fashion than Era 1 as far as I'm concerned. I'll read Era 3 when they eventually come out and the other Cosmere books as well. They serve as easy and fun reading and I do appreciate their interconnectedness, though I'd like the Stormlight Archive ones to be much shorter. In my teenage years I was mostly reading shared world settings, but they had surprisingly little to do with each other, which was disappointng. As with the Marvel movies I enjoy Sanderson less now, but it's more likely than not that I'll read to the Cosmere's conclusion.

Rating: 3.5/5

>>21261324
They're not mutually exclusive. Bad prose is just as distracting as a badly written story in my opinion.

>>21264404
First of all, stakes. Like any other conflict, a fight won't involve you if you don't care about what is at stake.

>>21264404
Read Robert E. Howard, I think he does fight scenes really well. They're short and brutal and typically have enough context where you feel invested. He is also prudent enough to skip over the fights that don't really matter.

>>21264595
Yeah, that's a fair point. Fights should serve to build character (it's not uncommon for somebody going through a character arc to solidify something about themselves DURING a fight), have good stakes, or just in some way move the plot forward.

>>21264797
Somehow never really read any of him. Any particular stand-outs, or would just "hey read Conan" be enough?

>>21264693
You don't understand the power of Bakker

>>21264783
Was the book long? I remember so little from Era 2 that I'd need to read all the three books again to understand this one, and I'm not really into doing that.

I guess I may read Brando Sando again when another Era is over, if the books are good, but I think by that time new popular Fantasy writers will be out there, chruning out more enjoyable fantasy fiction.

Funny, 'The Bands of Mourning' were released in January 2016. The Wandering Inn began in October 2016. Within almost 7 years between the third and fourth Mistborn books one author wrote 10.5 milion words - 8 Volumes - while the other wrote only two books, which are also considered the worst in the series. Numerous other webnovel writers wrote a lot as well, though not as much. They are as loved by the readers as Sanderson.

I don't mention it for laughs, though. Webnovel writers are infinitely more prolific compared to published stuff, and way easier to access. By the time Era 3 comes the webnovels-turned-amazon-books may overtake the internet sales of Fantasy fiction.

This may be the paradigm shift for Fantasy, with the industry prefering to print already established and tested books, instead of testing new writers (although we all know part of it is just nepotism).

>>21264693
You‘re either the cuck of the BVLL, there‘s no in-between.

>>21263463
It has its flaw but it's interesting. Standard western fantasy but through a chink prism, talking about events the west largely doesn't care about.
The best ya-ish I've read in a long time

>>21265061
Page counts vary, but it's around 600 pages. It's one of his longest novels aside from the Stormlight Archive ones. If you don't remember anything then you may not understand anything deeper than stuff is happening for whatever reason at a superficial action level.

I don't think quantity of words is an a particular useful measure, so the comparison doesn't mean much to me.

I think you may be overstating how much of a shift this could be as well. It seems unlikely to overtake sales unless they manage to have far greater female readership in the future.

>>21264780
It‘s not bad, but not amazing either. It‘s just Ok, if that makes sense.

>>21265142
>I think you may be overstating how much of a shift this could be as well. It seems unlikely to overtake sales unless they manage to have far greater female readership in the future.
I knew I should have mentioned 'aside of romance.' I don't count typical fantasy romance for women as part of the fantasy genre per se, it's only adjacent. Fantasy itself is changing, though, and it appears it's core readers - that is overwhelmingly men - are not thrilled with the mainstream fantasy books.

That's why webnovels are getting more and more popular, even becoming the biggest bestsellers on Amazon. They fill the void that current mainstream agenda created by catering to only few reader groups, acting with derision towards others.

it was the year 2036 and everything was piss earth in neo texas, and normies outside was nonwhite and super shitty. Mizder Neetbux, VIP Abyuse farmer, was too busy raising his latest batch of shithead yukkuri out of a refrigerator box. He couldn't help but take a long puff on his cybervapekingsupremekanye2032 collectable smoke pen. Fuck, He hated the yus so bad even while forced to eat them after neetbux got cut.

"MIZZZZZZDDEERRRRRRRRR WATTTCH CHUTE WEIMU SHIDD AND GIBS SWEECH SWEECH RITE NOW IS FINE!!" as usual, the deibus could not shut up about shitting. Neetbux only half noticed them, he was too busy shittalking the jannie on honeypotchan net while immersed in a cybersim of walking around in earth 2022.

"I should probably buy like a myon or a alice or something for variety at this point, at least those are marginally less stupid than these motherfuckers". Neetbux half verbed, half typed the response.

YU YUUUU!!! all of a sudden Psychosis kicked in and neetbux began hallucinating a giant deibu where his computer screen was. Was this virtual? Was this slaveowner guilt for farming paste buns?

SHIDDY SLABE IS UNEAZY MISTER????? hallucinatory deibu accused neetbux. SHIDDY SLABE NO MIZZ BRIDE NO ZE?? PITIFUL PITIFUL FUFUFU. Fuck, a hallucinatory marsa had shown up. No doubt because neetbux had been eating moldy yu shit for the past week while the living ones fattened up.

Neetbuxx couldn't take it. He had to go to botnetsocialforum net to ask about how to fight off yu psychosis. Surely the government agents would know which yukkuri had antipsychotic properties for farming. He tried to eat another fat marisa for supper, he tried to sleep. He tried to go out after dark in the park. Didn't matter, the yu were everywhere

"SHHIDDY SLABVE GIVE SWEECH SWEECH RITE NOW AND DIE EASY"
"SHIDDY SLABVE WHERE IS WEIMU'S EAZY PLACE FOR LIDDLE ONES????? NOT GOOD ENOUGH EASY"
"DICCCCCCKKK"

There was only one thing neetbux could do in cyber neo texas. Kill the yu once and for all. He knew what to do

>>21259692
I don't thinks Moonlight is Shai despite the similar skillsets. Also pretty sure the Skybreakers you're referring to are just coinshots. The timeline isn't advanced enough to place Rosharan surgebinders on Scadrial.

>>21259939
>they all look based and like 4chan users
So they all sucked each other off in one of their mom's basements in full fursuits afterwards, right?

>>21265343
She calls herself Shay-I, touched by the Shay-ode. She's Shai with the canonical Elantris pronunciation. The Skybreakers instantly start asking about legality of sinking ships, not something Kelsier's people ever give a shit about. There's Iriali refugees and Herdazian street vendors selling burritos.

>the synopsis spoils the beginning

Plan on publishing something on royal road. Modern sci-fi and fantasy meant to be a meta-commentary on modern life.

>>21265413
There better not be cuckoldry in it.

>>21265428
...Why would you ever think that?

>>21259939
Last one on right looks like edubs.

>>21265428
Imagine projecting your insecurities this hard over a fictional book.

>>21265435
>>21265447
Modern and cuckoldry are almost synonymous with today's literature. It was a worthy concern.

>>21265468
Cuckoldry is present in the Holy Bible.

>>21265370
Still not convinced about Shai, Moonlight's personality seems too different and it strikes me as weird that the only Essence Mark she's carrying is so radically different (and apparently untested) from what Shai had in TES. I will concede on the Skybreakers point, the question about the legality of scuttling the bay went right over my head. Good catch, I suppose getting Surgebinders off Roshar is closer than I think.

>>21265473
It comes naturally to its believers as well.

>>21265488
Is that why it‘s living rent free in your head?

How is the The Age of Madness by Abercrombie? I remember reading First Law Trilogy as a teen and I really enjoyed it. Is it a downgrade?

>>21265413
>>21265435
How is Royal Road, actually?

>>21265523
>How is the The Age of Madness by Abercrombie?
Try reading it and find out.

>>21265513
No, but it's probably why it lives rent free in every other author's writing.

>>21265535
Thank you for proving my point.

>>21265568
Damn someone's butthurt. I guess you really were writing cuckshit.

>>21265641
I accept your surrender.

R8 my cyberpunk starter pack, what am I missing?

>>21264816
Yeah. I recommend The Coming of Conan from Del Rey to start. It has a lot of the classic stories.

>>21265690
such a dead genre. Your books are all canon though, DADOES being nothing like the movie at all however

read GITS 2. Better than GITS 1 by a mile

>>21265698
I think ready player one tried to include all the trappings of a cyberpunk world but failed miserably by turning everything into references. That and it’s YA trash.

>>21265682
I accept your cuckcession.

>>21265690
You got it. There is almost no good cyberpunk literature.

>>21265707
when I heard normies shilling for ready player one and found out it was a movie with REFERENCES! I knew it was very uneasy

>>21265711
Not my probvllem.

>>21265725
The book is almost cringier than the movie, in the movie they have to play a virtual version of The Shining but in the book they have to act out the entire screenplay of Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

>>21265747
pop cultural references in books in like the first sign of the end times or something. Meta millenial consoomer crap ruined everything

>>21265690
>what am I missing?
Good books.

>>21259939
AHAHAHAAHHA OH NO NO NO NONONONO BAKKERFAGS....

>>21265435
What garbage.

>>21265781
Kek this perfectly describes current western authors

>>21265790
they're not some obscure minority woman writing thinly veiled activist fiction though

>>21259962
It's a human universal, dude.

>>21263283
Gormenghast's story centres around an ambitious social climber who is kind of a psycho.

>>21265690
Burning Chrome
Count Zero
Mona Lisa Overdrive

>>21265863
don't read count zero or mona lisa overdrive. It's like the worst aspects of neuromancer fed through a postmodern ai text generator

I'm in the mood for some sci-fi, I've heard Hyperion and The Three-Body Problem are good, what does /lit/ think about those? What about Arthur C. Clarke and Isaac Asimov?

>>21265880
If you're coming from outer/lit/, I'd say just start with Hyperion and see where you want to go from there.

>>21265880
I just finished hyperion. Most of the stories are meh and it's clear the author is inventing the world as he goes along

>Protagonist is in [pulls in hat] Island world and [pulls in hat] uses a flying carpet to uhhh [brainstorms] fugg an island cute and become a world famous hero over 20yrs because he had a barfight or something, this is believable!

>>21265804
It actually applies to women too. Just add brightly colored hair and vaginas and it will perfecrly describe women "authors".

>>21265887
Island world is good. Polynesian navigators are one of the key historical references that sci fi readers and authors should appreciate (along with Jesuits, epipaleolithic civilizations, stuff like that).

>>21265804
At least woke women authors are cute and thick, just the way Steven Erikson likes them

>>21265527
In what sense? It's a fairly popular webnovel site, though it's clearly got its dominant trends (though very few of its top-ranking stories actually fall into said trends, admittedly).

>>21264313
Fight scenes are the only reason i read fantasy t b h. I did realize most authors from 2010 onwards really struggle with writing good fights, no idea why tho.

>>21265402
>the author tells you in the Forward the stories you're about to read aren't very good

>>21265897
doesn't change the fact that the entire world seems to be made up as the story goes along. Hated the self-insert author character as well, and the STORY DOESN"T EVEN END BUT GOES FOR A CLIFFHANGER.

>>21265901
i've seen some cringe, is all

>>21265949
I mean, yeah? It's the internet.

>>21265527
Most of the "good" webnovels aren't even on it. 90% of the site is litRPG wish fulfillment dogshit. You can spend hours looking for something good to read instead of actually reading.

>>21265878
Each is objectively better than the last.

>>21265523
It's meh. Then again I didn't really enjoy First Law all that much either, despite seeing it gushed with praise all over Leddit

>>21265992
I thought so. The western equivalent of the cultivator site.

>>21265992
>Most of the "good" webnovels aren't even on it.
Where can I find "good" webnovels?

>>21266060
Some are hosted on their own sites, like A Practical Guide To Evil, The Wandering Inn or Worm or whatnot.

I'm halfway through Ender's Game and still not feeling it. I'm almost 30yo, am I too old for this? Recently read the Red rising trilogy and was hooked.

>>21266072
>Worm

>>21266080
I wasn't really commenting on quality, I actually haven't read any of those I listed, but they're talked about often enough.

>>21266072
>twi
Sorry I asked.

>>21265997
NTA, it's funny how the sequels are indeed better in all aspects but they lost all soul from the first and that's goes for all Gibson's career. Neuromacer is his worst and his best, everything else was superbly done but totally boring.

>>21265924
>I did realize most authors from 2010 onwards really struggle with writing good fights, no idea why tho.
I bet is something in the water, also the lack of general life experience, specially being in fights. Those guys can't understand people and real life anymore.

>>21259539
Any post humanist novels like the culture series by Iain M. Banks?

Other books with a similar feel to this?

>book of the dead starts with the protagonist being cucked
Holy shit western fantasy is such a meme.

>>21265924
>women faggots and troons lack experience with physical confrontation
Be the change you want to see Anon.

>>21266280
A lot of fantasy authors were probably traumatized in highschool and college.

Mostly a paint-by-numbers litrpg, centered around the how I found meaning in this fantasy land trope. I did enjoy the fact that the author seemed to be using his bitch ex-gf as a template for the villain, and had found his fantasy waifu in the new world to show how he'd moved on. Cringe, but human. The rest was not poorly executed, but didn't stand above anything you've seen before if you dabble in the shitty end of the pool.

Its strongest point is that it ends with a conclusion after the third book, a rarity for this genre.

>>21266280
tried reading Dungeon Crawler Carl bc everyone was talking about here

not even 50 pages in and MC was cucked and someone was called a incel

>>21266420
>MC was cucked
MC immediately bailed the instant he learned his girlfriend was cheating.

>>21266420
>MC is cheated on
>Immediately and calmly ends the relationship and takes the cat with him
>When he finally meets her again and she wants to get back with him he has NOTHING to say to her
Not really an issue, there. It's just used as an impetus for him having the cat anyway.

>>21266406
I can think of like one other LitRPG I've read that ends, that being the "This Quest Is Bullshit" series, though that's mostly just a bunch of jokes thinly strung together into something resembling a narrative, though even the books admit that there's no real plot 'til, like, the last third of the third book (of four books).

>>21266429
>>21266438
Why are you replying to a toral retard that keeps misusing the word cuck? He's just going to keep insisting on it.

>>21266429
And? He was still cucked. It's one of the most recurring themes for at least two straight volumes that his girlfriend cucked him. The book is clearly in part about the protagonist's/author's emotional journey of getting over being cucked.

>>21266453
You don't know what cucking is.

>>21266444
In Western litrpg Life Reset has a real end, and then segues into a follow-on series that also has a real end. Russian litrpg does a better job with endings as a rule.

>>21266457
You don't know what it is. You're confusing a cuck fetish with cucking itself. A guy who gets cheated on is cucked. I guy who is aroused by that has a cuck fetish.

>>21266459
Never heard of it, but fair enough. It's mostly the webnovel ones that don't really finish. Maxime Durand ones are the notable exception on that front, he actually just finishes things, surprisingly.

>>21266420
Every enemy is some anti-white stereotype too, ranging from hillbilly monsters to self proclaimed ICE shooters. The book is actually a pretty decent window into the psyche of the stereotypical soiboy if the pacing weren't so damn shitty.

>>21265880
>Hyperion
2 ok books, starts slow
>3bp
One ok book
Asimov is alright but often feels dated. Fuck Clarke with a rake.

Vance, Wolfe, and le Guin are sffg mainstays, but more general speculative fiction than sci-fi. Heinlein and Dick are interesting; often in the trainwreck sense. If you just want some kitschy hard sci-fi garbage to check out with, I'd recommend A Fire Upon the Deep.

>>21266453
2016+ newfag

>>21266463
He knows, he's just trying to rationalize pulling the brand of cuckshit away from his favorite cuckshit series.

Like holy shit just don't have cuckoldry in your fantasy novel. I want to read about fighting goblins not the author's thinly veiled bad experience with stacy. It's gone from stereotype to a cliche at this point.

>>21266479
Well you seem kind of sensitive about it so I'll just let you be. I personally thought it worked in the story - he wasn't thriving in the old world. It's not a point of pride, he was humiliated as a man under the old order. And even as he rails against the new system, it has brought out his potential.

>>21266467
Yes, I like that he finished The Perfect Run with a perfect run, instead of eternally wanking himself off like his premise invited him to do.

>>21266499
>lies about the cuckshit just being something at the beginning that's forgotten
>lies about what cuck means
>lies again that it's just something from the old world when it's even a plot point within the dungeon that he's a cuck and a point of conflict between him and his one party member
What motivates a person to act like this? All it's doing is validating me calling it out even harder. Some anon might actually get gaslit by you if I don't.

>>21266531
I'm not that guy, I'm this guy >>21266463

>>21266539
I don't really care which anon you claim to be because you already made your bad faith known with >>21266499. It just means there are two dishonest cuck downplayers in the thread instead of one.

>>21266561
How is it bad faith to point out how anon was misusing the term? I'm sorry she hurt you, anon.

>How is it bad faith to point out how anon was misusing the term? I'm sorry she hurt you, anon.
The damage control is real.

Dungeon Crawler Carl is really trash, MC being a cuck just support that even more.

>>21266499
>And even as he rails against the new system, it has brought out his potential.
That's part of the problem with the book. He seethes nonstop at the thing that makes the story or him remotely interesting to the reader. It causes a conflict of interest between the reader and the story.

>>21266595
But that's every story's antagonist. The protagonist battles the thing that makes it a story. That's pretty much what a story is at this point.

>>21266598
It's the antagonist being more interesting than the protagonist problem. The protagonist is just an angry nice guy who came from very pathetic circumstances, meanwhile the dungeon supplies literally everything else, particularly the superpowers that let the protagonist sometimes be interesting and somewhat less pathetic. His character just isn't compelling enough to make me like his side of the "man vs universe" theme. If anything him not being pathetic on earth would have helped because at least then he'd have a reason to be so pissed.

black panther as a concept sucks

a movie should have been made about rage of dragons for true african inspired fantasy kino

>DCC maybe possibly getting a TV series
lol

>>21266658
That would be horrible. Imagine having to look at the visual of a talking cat.

>>21266658
Seems like a perfect fit for netflix original.

>>21266644
He's not really considered 'pathetic' on Earth in-story. He had a good job, was healthy, had a decent relationship until she cheated, and then he pretty quickly ended it. It's pretty clear he's not meant to be seen as somebody whose life sucked.

>>21266666
He was a broke cat thief and a cuck. Whatever job he had wasn't enough to pay for a cat that he was about to steal out of sheer loneliness.
>had a decent relationship until she cheated
His girlfriend was fucking like 5 guys. What are you smoking?

>>21266676
>didn't read long enough to know what Carl's profession and job history was
luhmao

>>21266666
Nice try, Satan++. His cat laughs at him for all the other men his gf brought home. This isn't a world where he is thriving. And why argue against it? This is a staple of the post-apocalyptic genre, soundly employed.

>>21266676
He wasn't broke, he was a tech for the coast guard or some such (and also a former marine, I believe), he didn't steal the cat, the cat was just staying with him while his now-ex-girlfriend was on vacation, and again, the moment he finds out about the cheating he breaks things off. Nothing besides the girlfriend cheating is presented as his life going bad.

>>21266684
>>21266680
You guys just going to keep on replying to the retard that doesn’t really care what you have to say?

>>21266684
He wasn't a marine, he was a maritime engineer. A mechanic basically.

5,000 words is the ideal chapter size maximum
prove me wrong

Is there any sci/fi fantasy in a setting like 40k and star wars but actually good? No Dune, Hyperion, or culture series

>>21266687
K, don't know why you think people would waste time arguing with you with your subjective opinion when they could do literally anything else with their time.

>>21266680
All I remember is him being a reservist or something. His job barely comes up, unlike him being a cucked, him hating his dad, him keeping the cat around as a coping mechanism, him being angry as fuck that the alien supercivilization had the audacity to take over earth, and so forth. He lived in seattle and not as a homeless so no, he wasn't that broke, but still the story drives home plenty how pathetic he is.

>>21266686
Right. He was WITH them, though, and took part in training. Something to that effect.

>>21266693
He was in the Coast Guard and then once he got out of the Coast Guard he did, as the other anon suggested, mechanic work on boats like yachts and shit.

>>21266685
Probably is a bad idea, I just wanna discuss a book series I enjoyed.

>>21266691
My opinion is objective. You agreed with me
So you agree that my opinion is objective.

>>21266687
What do you mean I can't just shit out 12k words of which half say absolutely fucking nothing per chapter?

To the author's credit, Carl being a cuck might not have been projection or a cliche. He might have just been going for a realistic portrayal of military relationships.

>>21264780
most modern fandom circles around the memorable characters and with the bleeding of fandom bullshit into internet criticism/consensus and with Malazan not having those characters to latch onto it becomes divisive among such circles

>>21266685
Just love it when they keep repeating the same shit
>He's a cuck
>He's not a cuck
You would think after the fourth or fifth post they would stop.

>>21266272
I wish I knew a good answer I just love Piranesi.

>>21261324
This is how anybody who actually enjoys reading thinks. Prose worship is for pseuds.

>>21265523
liked it, think he falls too much into his own character tropes/archetypes but the series is partially about the passing of the torch/how things stay the same (much the first trilogy) so if you liked what came before you'll probably like what came after. Has some of his best action scenes too

>>21266684
>he didn't steal the cat
He was too weak to steal a cat.

>>21266776
Good prose is just saying what you need to say without saying much else.

>>21266794
Oh boy, can’t wait for this dumb argument to restart.

This book has some of the best prose I've ever read. However a story is completely absent and thus it's shit.

>>21266803
That wasn't technically a disagreement though. He didn't steal a cat. He was too pathetic to steal a cat and would be alone without even a cat if the apocalypse didn't happen.

>>21259539
Is this a modified Batman: Arkham Knight screenshot? The police hovercar in the foreground is kind of shaped like the batmobile.

>>21266809
Okay, don't know why you brought this up, since Housekeeping by Marilynne Robinson isn't fantasy or science fiction.

>>21266816
I Shall Seal The Heavens has absolutely terrible (almost MTL) prose and constantly repeats the same idioms over and over so many times that you could construct a chapter adlib style, however the story gets so over the top bananas it becomes kino.

>>21266809
>>21266822
Thanks for this, I was about to post a lengthy response on how you can find Housekeeping terrible but then you made about liking chink shit, so I know I can just ignore you. Thanks.

>>21266829
Not enough cuckoldry for your taste?

Fantasy novels that have heavy character/romantic drama elements are just women's novels for men.

>>21266074
Try a Practical Guide to Evil, it's tied with Red Rising as one of my favorite series. The protag is pretty similar to Darrow with the ruthless, analytical first-person POV. Haven't really found anything else that'll scratch my Red Rising itch

>>21266872
> Practical Guide to Evil
>webnovel
No

>>21260317
Goodreads is infested with woke libtard white women. Ignore most of everything you see on there and take things with a grain of salt. Usually things that have a bad rating (under 4 stars) is better than those things with a high rating. Basically its like a woke meter for lots of things.

>>21266822
ISSTH kino af, I didn't like the end desu and sometimes I still find myself thinking about it, but the journey was fun, the short story at the end talking about how the meat jelly and the parrot met for the first time first time 10/10

>>21266690
Suneater series is similar to WH 40K and Star Wars and is science fantasy.

>>21266829
He was most likely filtered.

Best place to start with Brando Sando? I know I'm gonna fucking hate him, but I'm genuinely curious as a writer what makes him so fucking popular.

>>21266931
Warbreaker's probably a solid enough start. It's available for free on his site and it's relatively standalone (stuff from Warbreaker matters in other books but nothing from other books matters in Warbreaker except Hoid, who's just a consistent cameo character in the Cosmere, basically). Mistborn is also pretty fine, though the first book is the best of the first era, the next two are... Not very good. Or even good.

>>21266931
Warbreaker's the only good thing he ever wrote, so start and end with that.

>>21266941
Emperor's Soul is arguably his best thing, but that's a novella so it's harder to recommend. I dunno why people who generally dislike Sanderson like Warbreaker, though. It has a lot of the same hallmarks as his other writing, Emperor's Soul is unique in that it's a very small-scale thing.

I just finished reading Brackett's Skaith trilogy and fell in love with it. Phantasy Star was one of my favorite games as a kid and these were the closest things to that weird mix of magic and high tech it had going on that I've found so far. I've heard Vance's Plant of Adventure books are kind of similar so those are next on my list.

>>21266948
Tschai is fun but there's nothing that's explicitly magical. It's probably closer to something like Kenshi where there are a lot of high tech things, but much of society is borderline feudal/tribal

>>21266829
As you should do.

>>21266931
read Mistborn not Stormlight imo

>>21266829
> but then you made about liking chink shit,
Truly astounds me that they think their opinions matter the second they admit liking that garbage

>>21266829
I prefer Gilead and Home than housekeeping.

>>21267005
I just love her insight on Calvinism, and the Puritans. Her essays are worth reading as well for more of that.

>>21267012
I knew she emphasize religion in her books, but didn’t know she actively studied religion

>>21267018
>but didn’t know she actively studied religion
Eh, she's more religious than anything, but knows what she's talking about and an active member in her church community,

>>21267005
>Gilead
Couldn't get into it, not a fan of the epistolary storytelling

>>21266829
Wise of you, otherwise you would have just wasted your time.

>>21266931
Start with his first book.

>>21266685
They never learn, despite it being obvious.

>>21267002
They don't and that's all that matters.

>the chick from The Emperor's Soul is now in Kelsier crew
holy kino

>>21267064
I liked it :)

>poppy war getting an adaptation
https://deadline.com/2020/12/starlight-media-tv-adaptation-of-rebecca-f-kuangs-fantasy-books-the-poppy-war-1234651757/
bros... will it be kino?

>>21267075
is the book even good?

Why must Western authors be this obsessed with cuckoldry?
is it just in their blood? to be cucks?
or is it because of western women, there must be some sort of commonality that makes them all write cuckold fantasy.

>>21267084
A bit slow in the beginning but I'm almost done with chapter 9 and I'm enjoying it so far.

>>21267096
Male MC?

>>21267097
Female

>>21267107
that's a shame..

>>21267109
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What should I read next bros: Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell or Gloriana?

>>21267142
Whatever you like, you're a grown adult, you can decide for yourself.

>>21267142
the jonathan strange tv show was pretty decent, so that

>>21267064
She was my favorite part of the whole Marasi subplot. My only regret is not getting to see her go full battle Elantrian and wiping the floor with Set goons.

>>21267142
Nta, but do I need to read the Faerie Queene before Gloriana to fully appreciate it?

>>21266931
The Way of Kings then Words of Radiance. Stop after that

>Vin handed Sazed 2 shards on a silver platter. >Held it for 300 years, still, a noob, jobbed.
>Taravangian plotted and took down a shard by himself
>out-witted Hoid on the first week
They are built different.

>>21267214
Sazed never was much of a schemer, but maybe that's what Discord is counting on.

So what are you guys currently reading?

Test

>>21267346
Books

>>21267346
Reading?

>>21267361
>>21267362
Nice!

>>21266931
maybe try this route:

warbreaker (earlier work, character attributes are recycled throughout his entire works)

elantris (best to get this one out of the way early, very muddled in the middle, poorly edited)

the emperor's soul- his best work, novella, same world as elantris, you get the dreg and the cream one after the other, might help you gauge your expectations from him

mistborn era 1 - the work that made his name, book 1 okish, rest are middling to poor - but now you are invested in the cosmere

silence for shadows in the forest of hell - novella, very underrated, should act as a nice foil to the dying insanity of mistborn 1

stormlight archives - 1-4 - 1 and 2 are the best in this series so far, 3 is tepid towards the middle and the end, 4 is just fantasy science hokum for half of the book, very annoying

mistborn era 2 - recently concluded, mixed bad, good setting initially, ham-fisted later on in the series, characters fresh initially become stale towards the end, requires lot of knowledge of his previous works for complete enjoyment

sixth of the dusk - novella again, very good, but requires some previous knowledge of mistborn and sa

aether of the night - among his stronger works imo, but never published, can be found online

>>21267346
Not reading, waiting for Blacktongue Thief #2 and Light Bringer to come out

>>21266931
Warbreaker is ok, don't start with Way of Kings

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>>21267487