/lit/ - Literature

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First for Xianxia is based

Scott R. Bakker is the King of /sffg/.

Simple as.

>>21254481
Truth shines.

Bakker is King.

>>21254592
Sandi whines.

Imagine living like this... just oscillating between dilation and deleting posts on a slow 4channel board. For 0$ compensation...Sweet Seju, its so tragic even Kellhus would shed a tear. In many ways, janny, you're like the Dunyain, taking The Shortest Path to ACK-

I don’t usually read fantasy, but I just finished the Second Apocalypse series after a friend recommended it to me. What other authors in the genre are able to capture the same imagination and talent that was surprisingly fresh from R. Scott Bakker? Only thing I’ve read that’s probably worth mentioning was the Lord of the Rings and Dune. Don’t know much else about the genre. Please no YA or cape-shit. Thanks in advance.

>>21254633

Your first mistake was assuming that there was only one of us.

>inb4
>le proxy
lol
LMAO even

>>21254663
Oh yeah? What mental defective's dick did you have to suck to find someone else to feed your weird obsession?

I think I' finally ready to start with Ursula K Le Guin.

>>21254718
I've read one of her books (Left Hand of Darkness) which was about trannies.

>>21254730
But it's still good, right?

Are wings of fire a decent pick for a 12 going 13 year old's birthday gift? He already did harry potter. Hypothetically of course.

>>21254736
are actually this non-supreme? or is this some kind of a sublime joke?

>>21254416
another page of skywings continues to prove that
being violent rage beasts is their sole vocation.

>>21254763
Wrong thread. goodbye and sorry.

>>21254768
This may be a Bakker's general but you are free to participate if you want as long its not total garbage and trash

Reverend Insanity bros stand together with Bakker against Sandersoi.

>>21254736
I don't remember it's been at least a decade. It's about a diplomat who goes to a planet of nonbinary aliens and learns the meaning of life by falling in love with one of they/them

What a truly pathetic thread.

>>21254820
We stand together against women authors!

>>21254592
>>21254601
>>21254622
>>21254633
>>21254651
>>21254663
>>21254768
>>21254791
>>21254820

>>21254969
>Aspect-Emperor Anasurimbor Kellhus briefs his fellow Ordealsmen on his plan to retake Dagliash, Year-of-the-Tusk 4132, colorised

>>21254416
Check this.
Alreted carbon is basically reality now, lord of the rings too.

>>21255056
Based.
>>21254969
I’ve met that Guy personally. He was really cool.

Don’t believe me, watch this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro-dN20MxxU&list=PLddf9lNkVXmeLnl_1ZYdnqyNaEgvqaR2H&index=3

>>21255191
Great video, all these people are cool and people hating on them are jealous because they will never have passion and they will never have a leader that rules supreme in fantasy.

>>21255245
>>21255191
https://youtu.be/g21kTp0h4B8?list=PLddf9lNkVXmeLnl_1ZYdnqyNaEgvqaR2H

Full playlist for anyone who cares.

>>21254416
Spoil me The Lost Metal

>>21255330
He seems like a cool guy, you can tell he is interested in the No-God.

>>21254416
When is The Doors of Stone coming out? Who’s got the inside scoop?

>>21254749
yes if you want a future npc otherwise consider giving hin pic related if you want him to grow up as strong capable chad.

Halfway through Claw of the Councilator and I’ve been finding it pretty boring since they left the festival

>>21254749
Would recommend The 13½ Lives of Captain Bluebear or anything in Walter Moers' Zamonia series really

read books

I recently reread a series of detective novels I adored as a kid, but sort of regret now. All three are written by Eric Garcia, and concern a secret society of dinosaurs who survived the extinction event who disguise themselves as humans to avoid being genocided by them. It's been described as "The X-Files meets Dashiell Hammett", and I can't imagine a more apt description.
Casual Rex
>A P.I. partnership duo investigate curious dinosaur deaths surrounding an Anarcho-Primitivist cult that turns out to be plotting the militant overthrow and extinction of human society.
9/10, almost a perfect novel

Anonymous Rex
>One member of the former partnership was killed investigating the murder of a high-profile dino who wanted to make a human/dinosaur hybrid. The remaining P.I. is lured into investigating the cover-up and find what was so important that it justified the murder of his best friend.
8/10, very good but something of the upbeat spirit of Casual Rex is lost as it turns to a darker tone.

Hot and Sweaty Rex
>Inveigled into a mob war, the dino PI struggles to stay alive with his girlfriend and his jilted childhood sweetheart while caught in the crossfire between two rival species who can't figure out whether he's a double agent for or against their organization.
6/10, the plot, while well-written and engaging enough, doesn't really concern the dinosaur secret society premise (i.e., you could write it with humans and it wouldn't really change a thing), and is generally more depressing than neo-noir films, as the entire remnant of the protagonist's friends, family, connections, et al are killed off, and the only real closure is that he obtains a murderous revenge on the ones responsible.

I'm bothered when the author doesn't clearly define the structure of the society
For example, there are these fictional worlds where everything is like in Medieval Europe... except that the main hero is a farmboy who is somehow completely free? In reality, unless he belonged to a privileged group in the hierarchy, he'd be a serf, bound to his lord's land and not allowed to simply get up and leave to travel the world and fight monsters.

Am I autismo?

>>21256107
>Am I autismo?
Yes.

>>21256107
>Am I autismo?
No, you're simply ignorant and wrong.
>In reality, unless he belonged to a privileged group in the hierarchy, he'd be a serf, bound to his lord's land and not allowed to simply get up and leave to travel the world and fight monsters.
For one thing, you're denying the existence of freeholdings; not everybody underneath the status of baron or burgher was a serf or even a thrall.

More cogently, serfdom was not uniform across Medieval Europe (insofar as we can describe the thousand years between the fall of Rome and the discovery of the New World as a single contiguous epoch), and its standards were different in various places and times. For example, serfs were almost unknown in Italy after the failure of the Latifundia system during the fall of Rome, in the 5th century and its subsequent sacking by multiple generations of barbarians, and most of England was reserved for yeomen farmers; there were no serfs, but there were slaves, but that's a whole different matter.
The "ideal" feudal system was never a rule, only a general guideline, rarely achieved and only approximated very late in the day. The idea of a farmboy becoming a knight in his own lifetime may be highly improbable, but there's nothing implausibleabout a farmboy being squired to a knight, gaining a position in that knight's service, having his son brought up as a man-at-arms in that knight's service, and then that knight bestowing part of his benefice to that squire's son, now a genuine knight. Indeed, that's how a great many of the aristocratic families of the 17th and 18th centuries had come to be.

>>21256176
>burgher

>>21256185
wait til you hear about the Fuggers of Augsburg

>>21256176
That's why I said "unless he belonged to a privileged group in the hierarchy". I don't know much about the yeoman but from a quick glance at the wiki page, it seems that they were quite privileged compared to villeins (serfs) who did exist in England.
>There were more yeomen than either gentry or aristocrats, but nowhere near as many of them as of the people below them–the serfs and free but poor laborers. Above all, yeomen were free. In an age where most people who worked the land were serfs, that was hugely important.
Being a son of a very wealthy landholder who has his own serfs is hardly comparable to being a son a poor free farmer who owns a small separate piece of land

>>21256337
if you're going to base your research off wikipedia, at least read the rest of the article
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_serfdom
>However, medieval serfdom really began with the breakup of the Carolingian Empire[citation needed] around the 10th century. The demise of this empire, which had ruled much of western Europe for more than 200 years, ushered in a long period during which no strong central government existed in most of Europe. During this period, powerful feudal lords encouraged the establishment of serfdom as a source of agricultural labor. Serfdom, indeed, was an institution that reflected a fairly common practice whereby great landlords ensured that others worked to feed them and were held down, legally and economically, while doing so.
>Serfdom as a system provided most of the agricultural labour throughout the Middle Ages. Slavery persisted right through the Middle Ages,[2] but it was rare, diminishing and largely confined to the use of household slaves. Parts of Europe, including much of Scandinavia, never adopted serfdom.
>In the later Middle Ages serfdom began to disappear west of the Rhine even as it spread through much of the rest of Europe. This was one important cause for the deep differences[which?] between the societies and economies of eastern and western Europe.[where?] In Western Europe, the rise of powerful monarchs, towns, and an improving economy weakened the manorial system through the 13th and 14th centuries; serfdom had become rare by 1400.[3]
>Serfdom reached Eastern Europe centuries later than Western Europe—it became dominant around the 15th century. Before that time, Eastern Europe had been much more sparsely populated than Western Europe, and the lords of Eastern Europe created a peasantry-friendly environment to encourage migration east.[3] Serfdom developed in Eastern Europe after the Black Death epidemics of the mid-14th century, which stopped the eastward migration. The resulting high land-to-labour ratio - combined with Eastern Europe's vast, sparsely populated areas - gave the lords an incentive to bind the remaining peasantry to their land.

>>21255622
RI isn't suitable for children, it's suitable for liberating adults who will have the contextual knowledge for practical social navigation. It'll just get kids into trouble.

>>21254749
It's decent YA, pretty popular. Get a gift receipt in case they've already read it

This litrpg webnovel is pretty good. The protagonists receives a necromancer class that is prohibited by the government, so he runs away and is constantly trying to level up his necromancer skills while surviving in the wild with monsters and people hunting him.
The most unique thing in this novel is that the protagonist gets his hand dirty. He robs coffins, learns butcher skills to clean the bones from human meat and uses dead bodies he finds in the wild to make his skeletal minions. There's no shortcut, he needs hours of gruesome work cleaning and sewing the bones together with magic to get his army of skeletal minions up and running.
There are some bad things though. The story is a slog for several chapters, the protagonist is really weak and overly emotional and most side characters are really bland. It's also an ongoing series with only one chapter per week most of the time.
4/5

Are there fantasy books where MC actively practices dark arts, blood rituals, human sacrifice, and other forms of evil occultism?

>>21256784
The author's other story, Chrysalis, is cringe as fuck in its juvenile humor and attitude, but the author is supremely based for sticking it out and continuing his vision. From what I've seen, he's grown a lot as an author these last few years. Will check this necromancer story soon.

>>21256788
Unironically Reverend Insanity. At one point the protagonist feeds an innocent teenagee girl to a bear to advance his power. And he does worse than this.

objectively, the best xianxia ever written is Jonathan Livingston Seagull

Lost Metal is now available to download.

>>21256800
FY's quest for power is quite ruthless but he does surprisingly little "dark arts" type stuff. He's even more or less barred from using the blood path for the entire story. Was thinking something that really likes to delve into the technical details of the concept, kind of like >>21256784 which I suppose I'll be checking out next though necromancy is a little bit different in terms of category.

>>21256800
It's pretty tame desu. He doesn't commit genocide like one of the characters in the book

>>21256800
Not sure why some people find it such a big deal. Almost every western fantasy had some gruesome murder happen at one point or another. Bear scene wasn't even that bad, the first thing bear done was rip her thoat and kill her, it didn't rven torture her. What happens to the corpse later is irrelevant.

>>21256904
I think what made it so shocking to people is that he'd just saved her life in combat when he did it.

>>21256788
a practical guide to evil
that one novel with the AI chip, I forgot the name

>>21256784
It could have been excelent power fantasy but author ruined it with typical coomer and litprg tropes and other unnecessary nonsense.
Why summon that vampire roastie? why did she join the party? The most beautiful woman but not interested in sex? How long will that last? Why couldn't it just been some non humanoid monster? Why include mc former gf and parents in the story? What kind of adventure can a young man have when even after leaving his home is restricted by his family and his gf?
The story really had potential, mc is kind of dumb but after author introduced the dead guy in the skull it was really good bit now its shit.

>isekai
>system
>transmigration
>harem
>young masters
Why is it so fucking hard to find webnovels or lightnovels without these. Are these "writers" seriously so bankrupt of imagination that they can't manage power levels without literal levels?

>>21256788
i remember laughing for 5min bc karen made a amazon review saying I Shall Seal The Heaven MC was like Hitler

>>21257027
If they didn't have those they would just be standard fantasy novels. Those are the tropes of the webnovel genres.

>>21257027
What does your green text have to do with literal power levels?
power levels and stats are absolutely fine, it is the story, characters and plot that matters and most new lit absolutely suck at these.

>>21257027
This but western novels with
>used goods
>cuckoldry
>gays
>moralfag MCs
>politics

>>21257074
I'm pretty sure it's just lazy writing since I've read ones without those
>>21257090
I just hate them
>isekai
adds nothing to the story
>transmigration
I can stomach being reborn in the same universe later on but going back to the past is retarded that adds nothing to the story
>harem
garbage
>young masters
a young master here and there doesn't really matter if it's well written. In a lot of stories it's used as a lazy plot point to drag in some more powerful entity
>system
I can't remember how many stories I've read well up to hundreds of chapters where it's never explained what the system is, how it came to be, what is its purpose and ultimately the whole story could be told exactly the same without it.

>>21257154
The point of isekai is to place an earthly protagonist into a situation where earthly values and knowledge don't necessarily apply anymore. Naturally westerners hate this setting because the idea that the universe doesn't revolve around the USA is both highly offensive and illegal.

>>21257164
I'm not sure why we even adopted the term "isekai" given its meaning.

>>21257183
Then the term "native isekai" must be even more puzzling.

>>21257154
Isekais serve as easy exposition entry points, and provide good fish-out-of-water stuff, same for transmigration. Harem stuff isn't honestly THAT prevalent outside of smut I find. Young master shit is just pretty much exclusively xianxia. System/LitRPG stuff varies. I don't really need an explanation for it but I do like it when there is one (my favourite LitRPG is still Dungeon Crawler Carl because it's just a gameshow that he's stuck in basically, and it gets actively balanced and patched as the series goes on while the AI running the show gets more and more insane), though if it's just a LitRPG where "everybody just kinda has this going on" and there's almost no explanation it feels a little empty. The most common vague explanation is just "Gods did it to get people strong faster because people like numbers".

>>21257183
It's interchangeable with portal fantasy, just 'isekai' got more popular due to a recent-ish surge of anime/manga/light novels using it, and those were called isekai due to originating largely in Japan, where that was the term. Not that hard to puzzle out.

>>21257154
So you're saying the japanese are retarded and can't comprehend how a fantasy world differs from our own without a protagonist from modern world?
A lot of the time they get over it in a chapter or two and only thing reminding you that the MC is in fact not born in the universe is constant allusions and comparisons to Earth's history

Japanese definition of Isekai: "other world". Even playing videogames counts as Isekai.

Isekai isn't really lit, it's manga/anime thing. Jarpanese lightnovels are so few that they don't really count.

>>21257247
You have it backwards. Japan has such a massive amateur writing culture that that LN/WN adaptations are taking over other mediums.

>>21257247
There are literally over a 1000 light novel series published in English.

>>21257183
I use the term "isekai" online because it's shorter than saying or typing "western portal fantasy" every time I want to talk about something like Gene Wolfe's "The Wizard Knight" or Guy Gavriel Kay's "The Fionavar Tapestry" or whatever. The average nerd on an anime website like 4chan instinctively knows what an isekai is so I don't (or shouldn't) have to waste time explaining myself

>>21257269
What? Where do they get published?

>>21257247
>Jarpanese lightnovels are so few that they don't really count.
lol
japan is literally flooded with LN/WN rn

>>21257292
They've been published in the US for over 20 years by book and manga publishers.

what the fuck is this shitty cover aaahhhh

None of this pertains to /lit/, fuck off to /a/,

>>21257305
Read the thread, you won't have any discussion on books, just anime & Manga because /a/tards can't stay in their fucking board.

>>21256822
Where

>>21257299
Meanwhile this is one of the most important businessmen in the west. Japanese writing might not be to everyone's taste but nobody can deny that they read.

>>21257310
chill granpa, we dont want you having another heart attack

>>21257321
Inb4 he turns on the spambot again.

The same shit argument in previous threads. Truly, I cannot comprehend doing this shit. And worse, it’s over the most trivial bullshit imaginable. What do you fags gain by doing this stupid shit?

>>21257313
Mobilism, probably other places as well.

>>21257327
You better behave granpa.

>>21257329
>The same shit argument in previous threads
I kind of want to delve into warosu and check on previous threads and see how many of the post here about Isekai have been posted before, because I did notice a few. So, that piqued my interest on how much of this argument is just rehash bullshit.

>>21257330
Thankee sai, it's only a handful of hours early, but it's appreciated all the same.

>>21257337
That's every thread on 4chan.

>>21257305
How is it shitty?

>>21257337
>So, that piqued my interest on how much of this argument is just rehash bullshit.
The entire “argument” they’re having is nothing but rehash bullshit that’s been discussed to death in previous threads. The same goes for magic system, litrpg and gamelits. At this point, I can only chalk it up as them having no life, and instead of doing something productive, they just repeat the same shit to feel they’ve done something.

>>21257380
The part where it says "New York Times Best Seller", probably.

>>21257329
>argument
Who's arguing?

>entire first volume in a series it the protagonist's childhood+origin story

>>21257408
Worse is when it's one volume wasted in self-pity and depression

>>21257408
>the first five volumes are the protagonist's childhood and origin story
yeah, I'm thinking based

>>21257414
I don't think that many authors actually like to start/spend much time on a depressive note. Gets in the way of a plot device suddenly appearing to send MC resolutely onto some quest to do something-or-another.

>>21257303
I mean on the internet?

>>21257387
>The entire “argument” they’re having is nothing but rehash bullshit that’s been discussed to death in previous threads. The same goes for magic system, litrpg and gamelits.
Yeah, I'm regretting my decision already. Especially when I typed it the litrpgs stories they talk about. Just same talking points, either verbatim or paraphrasing. I think the worst offender is the "what is a litrpg" so far. And I notice that's been repeated three times already.

>>21257319
No lol. Sure he was good at fraud and scamming money but he wasn't a businessman

>>21257458
>he was good at fraud and scamming money but he wasn't a businessman
There's a difference?

Authors love writing about enduring impossible physical pain and hardship with impossible willpower because they as the author need to do neither.

>>21257449
https://nyaa.si/view/1597038

>>21257454
Forgot to mention, but I think the second worst offender might be the DOTF anon who can't stop talking how bland the main character is, or the DCC anon that talks about the comedy. I mean, even the other webnovel fag, the wandering Inn anon talks about the story he reads with others. But those two don't.

I gonna start reading The Wandering Inn tomorrow!!!!

>>21257509
> the wandering Inn anon
He also starts repeating the same shit whenever the same anon who asks questions the author’s gender, so I think he counts too.

>>21257512
>the same anon who asks questions the author’s gender

who cares about that thoo

>>21257512
>He also starts repeating the same shit whenever the same anon who asks questions the author’s gender, so I think he counts too.
I completely missed that; you would think he would notice that.

>>21257337
>because I did notice a few.
If you actually pay attention whenever this thread goes hyper fast with continuous posts, they essentially are talking about the same few things. Which is funny since they’re sanctimonious cunts who talk down to people who tell them shut up by telling them that often discuss the same ten books.

>>21257539
nooo people are talking about books in lit??? my comfy and slow thread :(((((((

>>21257544
Wrong post for that, but read more carefully, or improve your reading comprehension.

>>21257519
> who cares about that thoI
Nobody, not even the people arguing about it since the response are basically the same whenever they argue.

>>21257551
You dont even read books anymore, just leave the thread and never come back.

There's plenty of high powered works like xianxia but are there any stories where they actually use their powers to demolish whole civilizations?

>>21257557
Is that all you have to say?

>>21257568
I shall seal the heavens.

Genocide all the time, whole civilizations dying

>>21257387
It's inherent to how the site works. You should probably spend less time in the general if it seriously bothers you. Repetitive discussions are unavoidable on 4chan, partly because of new people asking stereotypical questions each day and partly because existing people hope to evolve previous discussions that dropped off the board and thus weren't preserved in any way. Where do you think memes come from? They're basically compressed conclusions to discussions that have been already occurred ad nauseam on the site to the point someone made a handy image to reference each time it occurs.

>>21257577
Case in point >>21255951 as some dude became conscious enough of ritualposters that he made an image specifically in reference to the recurrence of ritualposters and became a ritualposter himself using it.

>>21257577
>Repetitive discussions are unavoidable on 4chan
This is cope and you know it, I go to different generals and they manage to keep repetitive discussion to a minimum. Here, it’s just plain ol’ copy and paste.

>>21257583
>conscious enough of ritualposters
He became conscious of bots posting those images.

>>21257586
Nah, the one coping is in fact you since you're the one upset at the default state of the thread and trying to rationalize how it should be something else, which it never predictably will as nobody can control what anyone else does on 4chan except jannies. You're never going to be able to have a boomer reading club on this site, it's not made for it. Open a discord channel.

>>21257590
Trying to gotcha some bots only makes it even more silly.

>>21257027
>Are these "writers" seriously so bankrupt of imagination that they can't do things the way everyone used to?

>>21257387
>>21257539
After spending an hour and a half on warosu, I'm going to stop, since the posts essentially start meshing together for me. Don't know how they do it, just talking about the same thing over and over again, but they do, probably going to start noticing more now, which I'll hate, but it is what it is.

>>21257577
>>21257604
Dont waste your time, they will say u the spambot8000 that will ruin the thread.

>>21257628
Why are you seething?

>>21257604
>You're never going to be able to have a boomer reading club on this site, it's not made for it. Open a discord channel.

This.
But we all know they wont, bc they dont read books :)

>>21257628
I swear that uppity ass boomer comes up with a new schizo meta complaint to derail the thread every day. Old man yells at cloud personified.

Stop spam bumping the thread just so it can be on the first page you fucking zoomers.

>>21257626
>probably going to start noticing more now
Oh, you will, you’ll also start noticing that they do this in every thread, back to back. I mean, you talking about them doing this already got them mad. My only response to them is get new material, but they’ll rather just have repetitive “discussion.”

>he thinks someone is using bots to make 1 post per thread saying to read 1 book that was released 10 years ago

couldnt be me, not mentally ill

>>21257648
Not really the narrative that’s being formed or even being discussed,l actually, but you do you, Anon. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

>>21257498
>2gb in size
so this is just manga, this is my mistake I thought lightnovels were literature.

>>21257656
? 1 full book of 1000 pages is less than 5mb, wtf u talking about?

>>21257653
He's salty that people talk about books he doesn't like, just like every thread.

Speaking of which I take back my opinion that Cradle is shit. Cradle is in fact good and we should all talk about it.

Tradpub? More like trashpub. Kek.

>>21257660
What books were being discuss? It was the same old argument of Isekai and portal fantasy with one anon noticing it was discussed before.

>>21257660
I thought open palm was a good ability and was disappointed when it was only used like twice in the entire first book.

>>21254749
Ask the kid's parents what he likes to read instead of random people online, maggot munching mouthbreather.

>>21257666
There was no argument, you retard. It was just a discussion.

>>21257673
Be honest, do you actually think he's going to buy a book for the kid and not for himself?

>>21257673
chill boomer, we dont want you having a stroke

>>21257676
>It was just a discussion.
Yeah, and an anon notice that it was a repeat of a previous discussion, if you get mad that someone picked that up, either get new talking points or discuss something new, like what you tell people.

>>21257685
>an anon
That was obviously you samefagging, boomer.

>>21257685
yeah and you doing the same discussion about people doing the same discussion

you either get new talking points or discuss something new

we get it boomer bro, u are mad that people are doing the same discussion over and over again, u already said that for the last 300 threads, can you stop now?

>get new talking points
What year is it kek

>>21257628
>>21257686
If that’s what you want to rationalize it, go ahead, it ain’t true, and I know you know it’s not true.

>>21257695
You doing the same discussion again boomer, can you please go sleep or even better, read a book?

>>21257695
pills

>>21257695
>it ain’t true, and I know you know it’s not true.
You're not even good at lying about it.

>be boomer
>so bored you live in one(1) general on a medium speed 4chan board and get mad about recurring discussions
This guy's retirement is going to be hell.

>>21257192
>>21257154
I find system "explanations" are usually boring and unnecessary. It was aliens, or the gaming company, or the ai, or whatever who fucking cares. We got here somehow. Those obligatory exposition chapters seem like those old movies where you had to show a plane landing to show we've switched cities. It just happened, we get it.

Sometimes the system is part of the plot in which case fine, weave it in there, but if it doesn't matter it's okay that it doesn't matter.

>>21257712
>>21257679
>>21257662
>>21257648
What do you even gain by doing this stupid act?

>>21257718
They get to derail the thread.

>>21257273
The only trouble being that you just did, and that people like this guy >>21257247 think it came from there.

>>21257722
>>21257718
Schadenfreude, of course.

>>21257726
Seems like waste of time and a very sad life to live.

>>21257733
i agree, boomer bro indeed have very sad life to live.

>hes samefagging again

read a book and leave this general for 1 day

Please, where is that fag who always complains about people having discussion and thread being on page 1, before you whinge AGAIN consider that your post might cause further repeat discussion and repetive replies. In other words just stfu and don't post anymore.

>>21257733
>anon is trying to seem judgmental
>on 4chan
See? It's hilarious.

What the fuck is even going in this general?

>>21257746
What're you reading, anon? Any thoughts?

>>21257746
Some anon notice a few fags were just having a repetitive discussion and it triggered them or something?

>>21257746
I am literarily bored. I suspect the thread is too. Need a good fotm litRPG to come out to keep the general on topic again.

>>21257746
Some anons having a friendly discussion and it triggered boomer bro or something?

>>21257755
> I am literarily bored.
Have you tried to do something more productive than this.

>>21257762
I plan to read next, but my hopes aren't very high on it, and the thread is funny right now. Priorities.

>>21257766
I can see why /sffg/ is shit then.

>>21257770
Naturally, the boomer is why.

>>21257767
I hope the west can someday match it before I die of old age.

>>21257781
It already did, RI is absolute dogshit that childrens' books are better than it.

>>21257785
>is absolute dogshit that childrens' books are better than it.
This but in regards to western books when compared to RI.

>>21257781
Western creativity has been limited.

>>21257793
Never read RI, but based.

>>21257785
> RI is absolute dogshit
It’s on par with an edgy shadow the hedgehog fanfic I’m reading.

>>21257796
Balls too.

>>21257814
>reading shadow the hedgehog fanfics

>>21257814
In that case the shadow hedgehog fanfic is the least edgy piece of lit released the last 50 years.

>>21257823
Yes, and after thinking for a moment, the shadow the hedgehog fanfic is better than RI.

>>21257319
>most important businessman

>>21257834
Just go back reading women fiction and lgbt, why are you even here if you hate fantasy and adventure.

>>21257834
Sounds about right for the opinion of a shadow the hedgehog fanfic connoisseur.

>>21257841
>>21257843
RIfags salty af
(Editor's Note: RI stands for Resident Idiots)

>>21257878
Boomers can't meme

I met Bakker in person once. We got to talking about the WN trend and foreign fantasy literature. I mentioned loving RI in particular and he said he did too and found it hugely inspiring.

>>21257960
You’re trying too hard.

>>21258004
You seem upset.

>>21258011
Again, trying way too hard

>>21258085
You seem troubled.

>>21257751
Nobody here reads.

>>21258109
You can't read and post on /lit/ at the same time.

>>21258124
You really need to step up your spam, Anon. This is just disappointing.

Tfw you will never be a sword cultivator, never fearing death, taking your enemies heads from 1000 miles away, battle intent soaring to the heavens.....

>>21258153
>cultivator
Sounds really gay, why would I ever want to be that.

>>21254592
...Of Nothing.

>>21258168
You couldn’t just ignore it?

>>21258153
Why is it always sword cultivator MCs instead of spear cultivator MCs? I thought China was supposed to be spearfag central yet I cannot for the life of me find any spearfag novels.

>>21258153
What schlock have you been reading? Sounds like shit and I want to avoid it at all cost.

>>21258153
>only killing them from 1000 miles away
>not reaching directly into the past with your imperial aura and erasing their nine generations before they were even born
Your tastes are refined but they can be so much more, anon.

I feel jealous of these perfect hero protagonists that have down to earth girlfriends who helps him and is a genuinely nice person

>>21258193
You frogposters really are stupid. How the fuck do you even get jealous at fictional characters? Are you 7 or something?

>>21258193
>down to earth girlfriends who helps him and is a genuinely nice person
Sounds like some toxic masculinity garbage. May I recommend you some Sanderson to help adjust your expectations?

>>21258182
Korea is spearfag central, China is swordfag because apparently swords are cooler than spears according to Chinese literature and culture.

>>21258193
>have waifu
>never get jealous of even harem protagonists because my waifu is better than any of his girls

I've been in a vampire phase lately. anyone have any good recs?

what I've read already:
>salem's lot
>twilight
>the last vampire
>interview with the vampire
>let me in

>>21258225
gotta read life and death: twilight reimagined my guy

>>21258225
Bakemonogatari

>>21258235

even if I didn't like OG twilight?

>>21258240

I couldn't stomach the anime. would the LN be better?

>>21258249
No

>>21258249
The anime cuts down a ton of detail and a all the odd directing quirks of the anime won't be present in the books so they're quite different overall. I personally like the books better and it's the general opinion of people that do read them.

>>21258249
>>21258259
But it ultimately depends on what you didn't like after all. The core story about a supernatural teenager dealing with spooks and girls is still going to be there.

Newshit when it comes to books, only recently finished Stormlight Archives books. Thinking of moving on to the Kingkiller Chronicle, worth?

>>21258225

Night Watch series
Carmilla
Varney the Vampire

>>21258240

I'd suggest Kizu would be a better entry point you could also read that then not bother reading the rest I guess if you don't want to commit fully too it

>>21258186
Your are the sophisticated white youth who was too cool for Amazing Stories. Your son dies in France.

>>21258267

I was bored to pieces over the long, drawn out conversations about things that don't make any tangible sense at all. I'll be honest, I don't think I made it past episode 2.

>>21258274
> worth?
Read it and find out, my guy.

>>21258278

thank you, I'll look into those.

>>21258199
If it were the rule that reality didn't envy fantasy then first worlders would still reproduce.

>>21258278
Kizu and Bake are so different in subject matter I don't think the order matters much, they don't really converge until Nise anyway.

>>21258285
I'd say that's much more of an anime problem. Anime focuses heavily on dialogue compared to the books.

>>21257669
You mean Empty Palm? It's kind of a plot point later on that he'd been neglecting that in favour of focusing on other areas, and he spends most of Ghostwater developing his pure madra techniques further to address it.

>>21258292
That sentence must have sounded cool in your head.

>>21258318
>Anime focuses heavily on dialogue compared to the books.
The anime cut out quite a lot of dialogue. There's even more in the LNs, anon. It's especially apparent in Kizu, where the protagonist's internal monologue was removed entirely in the movies.

>>21258225
>anyone have any good recs?
Check the charts in the OP

>>21258285
>I don't think I made it past episode 2
That explains why you thought the dialogue made no sense. Honestly, if you didn't like what you saw of the anime, the LNs will be even worse for you. Just more of the same, but without Shaft (though Shaft did really fuck up at times, Kabuki, Otori, and Oni being prime examples).

>>21258373
Dialogue and monologue are two different things. Anime cuts tons of monologue so Araragi's mental state and characterization becomes extremely vague, and that's a pretty big downside considering monogatari is a very introspective series. It also affects the significance of the remaining dialogues. A lot of the time lines I liked from the novels ended up being simply absent from the anime.

>>21258419
>>21258418
>>>/a/

>>21258423
>>>/b/

>>21258419
>>21258418
>>21258318
Good lord, you have an entire board dedicated to talking about anime & manga and you come here? Why?

>>21258458
Monogatari is fantasy literature. Go be underage on /b/.

>>21258465
>Monogatari is fantasy literature.
It belongs to /a/ and if you were to make a thread about it on /lit/, you would get ban, so fuck off saying it belongs here.

Posted in a different thread but it may be more accurate here. I want to write a book. I had an idea to write an epic sci-fi satire of erotic novels that spans from the Sengoku period to a bizarre, transhumanist future. I haven't ever done any creative writing, so I just drafted up a sample of prose that I'd like someone to critique.

Something drips from the metallic superhighway into the darkness below the grates, where all things flow to the sea, where the fiends seeking refuge whisper to each other in disbelief and awe. The sun sets on pools of blood, dotted with small islands of flesh and offal, and a red haze chokes out the neon advertisements blinking furiously on chaotic megastructures. The streets of London are a bloodbath. A putrid odor lingers inside the bloody mist, binding the particles by intangible strings. There are faces, and parts of faces, looking up from the ground, mostly obscured by a tar which is more of drug metabolites than blood. Their eyes are dead, already glassy and reminiscent of fish at a ghetto market, something which ought to have been sold yesterday, but there is still a light flickering in them, a reflection of the blinking, probing, intrusive disorder of the city. The acrid stench of hemoglobin oxidizing, household cleaning chemicals, and faint undertones of red Kool-Aid fill AK's nostrils.

"What the fuck is this?" He nudged what he believes is a spleen, though he isn't sure. It looks like a spleen, although covered in an even less determinate liquid. The thing is spongy and small like a spleen, but it could be a kidney. The Chrome Dome can't identify it without him taking a sample. He thought to himself, but decided satisfying his morbid curiosity isn't worth putting that shit in his mouth.

"Hey man, let's get the fuck out of here. We got work to do"

"Sure."

AK, Jackson, and MC trudged through the shit and debris. Mr. Creme's headquarters is perched atop the Steel Cadbury Egg, jutting out like a minaret, menacingly looming in the distance. Hideous architecture, housing the most vile and occult secrets. Mr. Creme, that ancient alchemist, savant of the darkest darkness, now CEO of the largest chocolate and pharmaceutical corporation in the Nu-World, is watching and waiting.

"I can't wait to finally kill that fuck."

>>21258507
Go to the Writing general >>21250373

>>21258490
Novels don't go on /a/. Discussing novels in an international context so that they may be compared with those in the same genre from various countries is definitely not /a/. I don't need to make a thread about it on /lit/ because there's already fantasy general to talk about it in. Here's your (You), be as much of a crybaby as you want but the on topic discussion won't stop.

>>21258507

needs dialogue tags. first paragraph is too poetic for my taste, but again, that's taste. others might dig it. but dialogue tags for sure.

>adverb is used as a following sentence for extra adverbial emphasis

>>21258519
Christ, you're becoming equally bad as the /pol/tards and /r9k/fags. Just stay in your board.

>>21257751
what happens if you unplug him?

>>21258553
Nothing, it’s a cat. Are dumb or something?

>>21258553
He reads a book.

>>21258551
You should take your own advice and go back to r/fantasy.

>>21258241
Making Twilight about a 100 year old vampire girl lusting after a high school boy recontextualizes it and makes it kino

>>21258593
Was his age actually specified? You'd think there would be a shitstorm if a 100 year old seduced a highschool girl in a popular book.

>>21258593
No, it just shows you’re no different than the girls who read twilight.

>>21258611
Born 1901 desu

>>21258612
Reading twilight > malding on 4chan about what other people like
It's still reading after all.

>>21258611

it's okay because he's attractive

>>21258615
Suddenly the massive mainstream contrarian movement to hate on Twilight makes complete sense.

>>21258618
A lot of older guys are attractive, karens lose their shit regardless.

>>21258611
He doesn't really seduce her. He attracts her but she controls everything.

>>21258616
My guy, you hide behind based all you want, at the end of the day, the teenage girls and you have the same taste and desires, trying to elevate yourself higher than them is kind of cringe.

>>21258664
>the teenage girls and you have the same taste and desires
That's only an advantage when it comes to dating them. I don't see you bagging any 18 year olds with your Bakker shelf.

>>21258543
Stupid frogposter

>>21258675
Man, you must be paranoid if you think I’m a bakkerfag.

>>21258715
Nah, I just figured it'd bug you.

>>21258735
Why would an online anonymous person who I don’t care about bug me?

>>21258743
Pretentious types tend to be easily offended.

>>21258751
I don’t know why you would think I’m pretentious, I get the feeling you’re projecting onto me for some weird reason.

>me watching anons fight like passive aggressive women

>>21258769
The recent threads have been nigh-unusable. It’s to be expect.

>>21258761
>I don’t know why you would think I’m pretentious
He spent too much time on here, and thinks he knows who he's talking to.

>>21258769
I don't know how you can find this fun, just a bunch of retards shitflinging at one another.

>>21258593
It took you to realize that? I thought it was plain obvious from the get go.

>>21258543
Yes, anon, we know what an adverb is, we can look it up.

>>21258199
>How the fuck do you even get jealous at fictional characters?
Let's just say, you have to fuck up your life to get there.

>>21258761
> get the feeling you’re projecting onto me for some weird reason.
He’s grasping at straws, anon. No need to delve deeper than it really is. It’s how shitposter usually act.

>>21258507
Too much swearing, makes the passage infantile. Cursing is a seasoning--don't use too much of it.

>>21257751
I’ve read nothing this year, which is about the norm on /lit/. So it doesn’t surprise me.

>>21257746
It got even shittier.

>>21258823
Damn, and it was ding so good for a time.

>>21258839
I know, but it is what it is

>>21258797
Some people lack the depth to read deeper.

>>21258267
Check the archives on warosu for reviews.

>>21258848
I’ll probably start posting on the horror general then.

>>21258880
You should, not enough posters, threads usually die before the bump limit.

>>21258773
But why though? Why now?

>>21258743
People use 4chan as an alternative for social interaction, its why you have idiots thinking anons are their friends, people thinking they can discern people with how they type, etc.

>>21258822
If some posters are to believe, they can’t break into books, whatever the fuck that means.

Just finished Battle Royale, 10/10 kino

>>21258920
Okay

>>21258920
Good for you

>>21258922
>>21258924
If you dont have anything to say, dont post
stop ruining the thread zoomers

>>21258932
Telling someone good for them is bad now?

>>21258932
Man, you’re just desperate now.

I just finished reading this. Pretty awful overall but at least it ranks above Heaven's Laws which is frankly unreadable.

>>21258915
Do they mean, like cut books, like in the old days?

>>21258954
I think? Or just opening a book, who fucking knows.

>>21258920
Is that all you have to say about the book after finishing it?

>>21258993
yeah

>>21259015
And how does this pertain to /lit/, let alone /sffg/

>>21259003
Might as well not post anything at all.

>>21258954
>>21258971
>>21258993
>>21259003
>>21259015
>>21259021
>>21259025
Stop posting and ruining the thread zoomers

>>21259030
Get better material.

>>21259030
You’ve been doing this for hours, you ever going on a break or something? Or is this what you do all day, every day?

>>21259032
Inb4 he turns on the spambot again...

>>21257327
>>21259035
It's really sad to know you're here for eight hours.

>>21258897
Thanks for telling me, though I really doubt most of it. I think most people here can draw a line on internet usage.

>zoomer having another meltie after being called about useless and irrelevant posts

You don't even read books

>>21259059
This going to be a daily thing now? You spending an entire day waiting for an anon or two? Don’t you have better things to do?

>>21255245
>>21255191
you can stop pretending to be an anonymous poster, we all know it's you scott.

you're not a cool person and you're actually a pretty shitty dude once you get on your soapbox and start dropping terrible jargon/meaningless phrases like "cRaShSpAcE oF mEaNiNg!!1!"

Everyone here who's reading your books has downloaded them for free, so you don't even get a slick bump in sales out of your pathetic lurking.

go pleasure yourself to thoughts of killhouse doing unspeakably naughty things to your unwashed anus

>>21259067
Those are 17 hours post, anon. Don't know why you're replying to them.

>>21259021
>>21259030
I delete my webm because it bothers you, baby <3

>>21256784
Cool to have a story with a necromancer protagonist, though, I might’ve preferred one focusing on an older, more evil one.

>>21259094
>I might’ve preferred one focusing on an older, more evil one.
Why?

>>21259067
You really can’t let it go.

>>21259094
Should I write a necro protagonist story desu? I've seen quite a number of people who want one and have to read shit like Menocht Loop instead.

>>21257511
Never read it but enjoy friend.
>>21257751
Timeline by Crichton. It’s not my favorite but it’s fun enough.
>>21257662
Heh
>>21258278
>Carmilla
Not him but heard that talked about a lot. Regret not reading it for Halloween.

>>21259112
>Should I write a necro protagonist story desu?
Ask the writing general, not us.

>>21259112
Probably not since it’s going to turn out shit.

>>21259118
damn, owned

>>21259112
>Should I write a necro protagonist story desu?
no

>>21256788
Warlock of the Magus world.

>>21259233
>>21259233

New thread
>>21259234

>>21259235
>>21259236
Threads should be made during page ten, you fucks. It’s been done for months now.

>>21259235
>>21259236
>new thread when the thread is at page 4?
For what?

>>21259236
>>21259235
You guys do know we still have literal hours before this thread is bumped off, right? Why even make a new thread?

>>21259240
>>21259242
>>21259248
My bad, you're right
To keep the discussing going, what'd you've been reading.

>>21259252
Currently going to read the new Sanderson book. It came out today and I’m going to buy it.

>>21259259
>Sanderson book. It came out today
So, it did. I;m going to read Andy Weir's The Martian. I watch the movie so now I'm going to read the book.

I read The Lurking Fear tonight. It was very good. Probably my favorite Lovecraft story that I've read so far since purchasing this anthology of his.

>>21259252
Just finished The Power that Preserves 20 minutes ago. For how bleak the trilogy was I was surprised with the uplifting ending. I'm not sure if I'll read the other books. Mostly because I'm happy with the ending as is.

>>21259269
You've read The Rats in the Wall?

>>21259259
>amazon uk
>need a credit card
>amazon de
>no kindle edition
>amazon nl
>fuck you wrong region
It's like they want me to pirate my mormon anime.

>>21259272
Would you recommend it to others?

>>21257975
I also met Bakker after he talked on stage, I mentioned Gene Wolfe and he said he wasn't a big fan.

make the new thread guys

>>21259312
Why? We're at page 4. We still have hours to go.

>>21259313
ok let me bump the other threads then friend to kill it

>>21259312
You can still discuss things here. Just do it.

>>21259315
So you won't discuss books here?

>>21259300
Yes but with the understanding that it's polarizing. There's a lot to not like about the books, but I thought they were beautiful.

>>21259282
Nay not yet

>>21259321
I’ll check it out when I have the time to read.

>>21259333
I'm glad. The first book is Lord Foul's Bane.

>>21259339
>The first book is Lord Foul's Bane.
Thanks, I was actually going to buy The Power that Preserves first. thanks for the warning

>>21259332
You really should read all his book’s when he first began, watching him improve is a sight to behold.

>>21259272
Definitely best to stop there. The second arc takes such a steaming shit on the story that it actively invalidates everything good about the first one.

>>21259349
Yeah I’m glad I said something then. You would have been pretty confused starting there. Order is
>Lord Foul’s Bane
>The Illearth War
>The Power that Preserves

>>21259387
I'll just buy the trilogy for twenty bucks. thanks.

>>21259379
It just felt right ending it there and I have other books to read. I haven’t heard much about the books that follow the original 3. I just assumed it would be extra fluff but I didn’t think it would actually be outright bad. That’s sad I guess. I’ll consider it a bullet dodged for now. Might read someday to see for myself.

>>21259414
>I’ll consider it a bullet dodged for now
You really did. The short version is that it pulls a great big "just kidding, none of what you think was resolved was actually resolved. And all that character growth it seemed that TC went through in conquering his demons? Jk lol he's exactly the same self pitying, self sabotaging retard he was at the start of this whole dreary experience"

new thread WHEN?

>>21259485
Page 10.

>>21259485
If you’re interested in talking, you still post here.

drop the new thread lads

>>21259498
Holy shit, wait until page ten, if you want to discuss something, just use this thread still instead of whining.

New thread
>>21259539