/lit/ - Literature

>>20991685
I’ve already started. I must shamefully confess that it took me something like 20 pages to finally understand that Anna Mikhailovna and princess Drubetskoy are the same character.

We should do rest days on weekends, rest days on working does not make sense cause you don't have time read lot anyeay

The schedule by books looks better, but only if the books have roughly the same length, else one week we'd be reading like 200 pages and the next week would be like 300 or something.

>>20991885
This will always be true unless you go for the percentages, there's some chapters (at least in the original) that go on for 10-15 pages, back to back as well (somewhere early in Volume 3 Part 2 iirc).
Just do the percentages and finish the chapter that falls on the last page of your daily dose, best way to have a pretty constant reading time I think.

>>20991926
slight variation does not matter. I just hope it's not massive variation like +/-100

>>20991699
I'm about 3/4 through and only just realised that Anna Pavlovna and Anna Mikhailovna are two different people. Luckily I don't think Anna Pavlovna was particularly important. Russian naming conventions can be hard to keep up with.
>Prince Nikolai Andreich
>his son, Prince Andrei Nilokayevich
fucking hell tolstoy

We're doing the original schedule. If you can't keep up don't participate.

>>20992016
It's not about keeping up, the problem is that some editions have a different chapter count (Book I has either 16, 25 or 28 chapters depending on the edition)

>>20991685
There is a thread on reddit making fun of us for reading only 30 pages a day

>>20992154
where?

>>20991685
Percentage based schedule seems best to me. I assume most versions are at around 1500 pages total, right? So if we go with 2% per day, that's roughly 30 pages a day for the majority of people participating, so it's very close to the originally planned schedule. And the ones who have versions with significantly different page counts will either have to read a bit more or a bit less per day as to not be left behind or get too far ahead.

>>20992154
go back

>>20992154
That really tells a lot about these people. Mmm someone could make some assumptions about the reason behind all their free time. Gee I really wonder what kind.

>Portuguese translations (WARNING: no autistic screeching)
>Guerra & Guerra
there's a brazilian portuguese translation from russian by Rubens Figueiredo.

One wonders if "War and Peace" would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under it's original name "War: What Is It Good For?"

bump
also I'm voting for
>Schedule by books

>>20991709
No

>>20993245
Based.

>>20991685
i really don't care if we get too autistic over discussions or not in terms of where we are at. I don't think this thread is gonna be fast enough to really make it or break it

>>20993245
hello fellow scholar

>>20992940
might be Krasznahorkai's book

>>20994487
What should I do then? Keep the original schedule?

>>20991685
I think I might just stick to chapters regardless of what's chosen just because I think it'll drive me more.
Hope they have a copy at the library lmao

>>20991685
Percentages might be too confusing, plus we all wouldn't be in the same parts at the same time, unless someone outlines percentages for each translation so we have all have an idea of where everyone else is.
I think chapters or books would be better, the shorter length of chapters might keep people more motivated. But if the issue of slow readers becomes more vocal, then we may want to consider fewer books/chapters/pages per day. Ultimately I think chapters is best; keep it simple stupid.

>>20994812
Also agree with this take

Choose an edition, say P&V, and go by chapters. Beside the chapter number, list the percentage of the total pages read so Anons with weird editions can follow along. Simple.

>>20995682
That sounds like a good idea regardless what reading schedule we end up picking. Pick the version most here are reading as the baseline edition and then OP or someone else can give a daily update where we're at percentage wise in that edition. Makes it easy for everyone else to stay roughly on the same page and to catch up on fridays if they fall behind during the week.

>>20991685
>a "canonical" edition
That'd be Maude, not (((P&V))).

>>20991685
>September 17th
in only 30minutes time

>>20996100
no, a lot of editions have the same amount of chapters as P&V, idk about Maude
>>20996635
>September 16th was 10 year ago

>permabanned on main IP
I was fucking looking forward to this too. Go on without me bros...

>>20996730
Read at McDonalds. You could even find somebody to read with you and start a club.

What aperitifs did Russian nobility imbibe? Did they enjoy borscht?

>>20994575
yes keep the original chapter schedule given in the OP for whatever version it is. but provide percentages for everyone else. so like if week 1 we read book 1 and 2 and part of 3, we should also put "7% of the book" (or whatever it is) so people can follow along.

>>20997274
what if I don't know the percentages for each chapter beforehand? I'm not going to scan every single one, there are 361 chapters
On average that'd be 0.277% each chapter, but some chapters are considerably longer/shorter than that. Still, I don't think there's a better alternative

>>20997367
You know the total number of pages, you know how many pages you read. Simple as

>>20997379
Let's say I lag behind, what then? Also different editions may or may not have introduction, preface, analysis, so number of pages wouldn't be reliable. It's worse for e-fags, as annotated editions assign 1 extra page per note at the end of the book, so you might be at 80% and finish it

>>20997404
>Also different editions may or may not have introduction, preface, analysis, so number of pages wouldn't be reliable
This is some advanced mathematics, so bare with me.
The number of the last page of the main text-the number of the first page of the main text=the total number of pages

>>20997404
This fr fr isn't a big deal. Stick to the OP chapters method if it works for the version of the book you have. but If the original plan was to finish the book in 8.5 weeks, we can just assume on average, we have to read 12% each week. It'll be weird with some people ahead / behind. but we'll all roughly be on the same page. People can do the calculation themselves on how many pages 12% of their book translates to.

>>20997458
kindle keeps track of percentages for you anyway. in fact using page numbers is a terrible idea for ebooks.

>>20997458
you are talking to /lit/izens, do you really believe they can do basic math?
>>20997534
Kindle's percentages are trash, see >>20997404

>>20997554
ah i didn't realize footnotes were counted as separate pages in the ebooks. Excluding ebook friends is a sacrifice i'm willing to make.

any cheaters who started reading early? I already have one burning but stupid question I really need answered after the first 20 or so pages. During the party at Anna's place, Andrei Bolkonsky's wife is being introduced as this beautiful, young lady who everyone finds very attractive. Now I don't read an english translation, so maybe what I'm reading is completely off, but while Tolstoi is describing her beautiful lips, he mentions that she has a shadow of a soft moustache? Am I reading that right? Was that normal for the times? I am really confused already but for a very different reason than I expected.

>>20997564
>>20997554
>>20997534
>go to first footnote
>minus 1
>have number of pages
I will thoroughly enjoy reading with a bunch of braindead anons

>>20997586
Yeah some people found that erotic back in the day. They thought women with a faint stache were good at fucking.
Many of women have a peach fuzz above the lip, getting darker as they age. Vast majority just laser/wax/shave it.

>>20997600
How’d you get to be so smart?

>>20997501
I think this is the best option
>>20997600
I'm just lazy, as stated above
>what if I don't know the percentages for each chapter beforehand? I'm not going to scan every single one, there are 361 chapters

digits and we use the chapters method

>>20997586
That's not that stupid of a question.
I was confused because there are a few people who are being called 'german' but germany didn't exist at the time.
Same for the Italian.

>>20997776
Why don't we just read.

which edition are my kindlefags getting? i was leaning towards the second link when you search "war and peace maude"

>>20997776
so close to quads

>>20991685
k but I’m dyslexic so I’ll see you guys in a year

>>20997863
>called 'german' but germany didn't exist at the time
Germans were a thing before Germany united you know. In the original Russian Tolstoy uses Prussian and German basically interchangeably (differentiates Austrians). There's also some German dialogue and letters in W&P, and as far as I know if these characters speak German (natively) it wouldn't have been wrong to call them Germans even if they are Prussian citizens or w/e.

Lets just use OP's version. Gib link OP

If anyone is interested r/gaddis and r/thomaspynchon are reading Pale Fire and Mortality and Mercy in Vienna respectively.

>>20997863
>That line about Prince Andrei's father roasting the Germans and saying they never ever won a war except against eachothers which doesn't count
really made me kek

>>20998621
It's in spanish

>>20993245
what a chad take. Maybe /lit/ still has some smart Anons

>>20991685
Alright boys.
It's the 17th for me so I'm gonna start. Wish me luck.

>>20991685
gravity's rainbow next?

>>20999679
good luck broseph

>>20996730
what do you people do to get permabanned honestly.What did you type in /pol/ ?

>just sat down to start
>read chapter 1
>now construction workers are jackhammering concrete next door
f-fuck

*BANG BANG*
CAM ON ANONS
*BANG BANG*
READ SOM FACKIN BOKS

>>20999755
Yes

I'll be starting tonight.

>>20991685
or y'all serious? Ive being seeing these threads in the catalog for weeks and you haven't even fucking started yet? I read this entire book in two weeks without some gay /lit/ group reading thread to motivate me. you all need to get off your asses.

>>21000744
wasted digits of a troon

Wish I had joined

>>21000783
It's the first day

About to order my copy now bros.
Which translation should I get?

Any other gangsters just gonna read the HTML version from Project Gutenberg?

>>21000847
I'm thinking about reading national library scans of my language's translation since the first edition was published in the Russian Empire. Historical autism is hurting me.

Ok I've read 30 pages. Initial thoughts:
1. Keeping track of the characters is hard
2. Pierre is based
3. Why do all the women have moustaches?

>>21000987
>>20997642

>>21001031
Interesting. Oh yeah I forgot Prince Andrei's rant about women being subhumans is gigabased.

Debating if I can manage doing this as well as getting in the reading I was going to do otherwise.

>>20999755
Sure actually

One time this dude was bothering me for drugs so I traded a little bit for this copy of W&P but the font is too tiny!

>>21001086
I want an edition with the french translated. Having half the dialogue in footnotes is unbelievably fucking retarded

>>21001090
Get the Briggs translation. It's in a Penguin edition. It does exactly that.

>>21001090
>he didn't learn French, Russian and German just to read War and Peace as was intended
Quelle barbarie! Ich verstehe nicht, кaк ктo-тo мoжeт быть тaким cyмacшeдшим.

>>21001096
>(in French)
lol

>barges into russian nobility
>"The revolution was a great thing"
>"Napoleon did nothing wrong"
>refuses to elaborate
>leaves

I'm loving this fat retard already

>>21001234
>"The revolution was a great thing"
Wrong

>"Napoleon did nothing wrong"
Based

Napolean was the last gasp of civilized France. Without him the fate of the nation was sealed to be forever in the hands of rootless cosmopolitans

>>20996083
IIdgaf I am not gonna read Russians in English I am staying with my version

>>21001244
The revolution was also nationalist in nature, you retarded mongoloid

>>20999755
What a coincidence. I just picked up a used copy of Gravity's Rainbow for a dollar at the library book sale yesterday. I'm off to a good start on the Maude version of War and Peace that I also found at a library book sale in the past, and if I'm not too exhausted by big books for the time being afterwards, I'll definitely be up for GR.

>>21001269
No it wasn't. It was a proto-marxist overthrow of the traditional order, with all the hallmarks of future Communist revolutions including persecution of clergy and intellectuals

>>21001320
>a bourgeois revolution led by the wealthy elites shut out of the power structures by the feudal caste system seeking to abolish said caste system
>proto-marxist
what the fuck have you been reading?

I don't actually want to read the thing... you know?

>>21001333
>Liberté, égalité, fraternité
Sounds pretty commie to me bucko

Have we already started

>>21001339
USA and the Founding Fathers are communist according to your moronic views.

>>21001333
>a bourgeois revolution led by the wealthy elites
Yeah like every other Marxist revolution in history, retard

>>21001333
The feudal caste system was based and liberalism leads to trannies. Face it, if Robespierre was alive today he'd be advocating for child hormone therapy.

>>21001381
>Russia
poor ass intellectuals
>China
poor ass intellectuals
>Korea
poor ass intellectuals
>Cuba
poor ass intellectuals

Where is this mythical marxist revolution led by the wealthy elites?

>>21001396
Mao was the son of a very wealthy landowner who had the peasants executed for stealing his shit

>>21001396
>He thinks Marxist revolutions aren't lead by bourgeois who are jealous of wealthier bourgeois and tricking the peasantry into following them for false promises of equality that are shattered once they gain power and mass killings begin
Oh no no no no

>>21001086
>>21001118
Now I already regret having bought the german translation instead of the english penguin classics version. Just from the first page, this translation seems much better. In my book it doesn't even mention that Anna wrote the invitation in french at all, which doesn't seem at all like an irrelevant detail that should be cut out.

>>21001399
He got educated for his daddy's money and after he became and adult and left home he was a poor ass intellectual, just like every other poor ass intellectual. You can't become a poor ass intellectual if your family doesn't have a money or a benefactor in that time period. All you westerners pretend like intelligentsia doesn't exist as a separate class which ranges from destitute poor to middle class in pre-liberal pre-capitalist societies because USA never had this class of people.

>>21001418
Liberals who go to college with daddy's money are not working class because they live off ramen. It's very fucking obvious which social class blue haired college graduates are in regardless of how much money they have in their bank account

>>21001422
They aren't working class. They are intelligentsia. Those who were revolutionaries by and large remain poor after college working as journalists, writers, librarians, teachers etc. or just professional revolutionaries. Rich conformists who get into state administration, prestigious law firms, banking etc. for daddy's money weren't revolutionaries and they had no revolutionary politics to begin with.

>>21001432
We can agree that communist revolutionaries should be lined up against the wall though right?

>>21001422
And there is pretty much zero revolutionaries today in America. Everyone except the homeless if filthy rich in USA. Even a black man working some shitty manual labour job is in top 10% of the world, if not the 1%. There's no hunger for change despite all the performative identity politics. so i have no idea why you are comparing modern students to the intelligentsia of 1910s Russia.

>>21001244
Fuck you for starting this shitfest.

>>21001445
>And there is pretty much zero revolutionaries today in America.
There are they've just changed. If those revolutionaries of 1910 were brought into this age they'd be trannies advocating for destroying the traditional family. Cultural Marxism is the rage now but it has fundamentally the same goal, tearing down traditional institutions to enable the recreation of another hierarchy with he wokes on top.

>>21001096
>>21001090
This but don't get the hard cover cloth bound version. The art wears off, gets dirty and is heavy

Btw how does french parts work in the other regular version? Do you have to keep clicking to the back for the translation? Or do they at least have the foot note at the bottom of the page? On the kindle it was easy to just tap the foot note and it goes to the translation then tap to go back

>>21001454
Idpol is just a CIA psyop that turns potential revolutionaries into harmless drones of the system. You have to be retarded not to notice. Identity politics don't fight the global free market capitalism, they are synergistic with it. Make the CEO of Pepsi Co. black and suddenly everyone's ok with a ravenous transnational corporation that kills south American union workers for sport.

What is Hipolite joke even about? What a retard seems those Russian aristocrats often barely even know russian

>>20991685
Kek I haven't even finished Don Quixote

>>21001557
mane I never even started it. gonna hit up wnp, fr

>>21001413
My Dutch translation also didn't mention she said it in French, instead it was in French and translated at the bottom of the page in a footnote.

>>21001474
Yeah and the Bolsheviks were funded by the Rothschilds retard.

>>21001460
>and is heavy
Wristlet, you are going to be /fitlit/ whilst reading this doorstopper

>>21001460
>>21001637
>>21001413
>>21001090
>read the book in French
>no giant footnotes
>half the paragraphs have the note “en Français dans le texte”
Works on my machine

Why don't we just set limits to each reading to end at a certain sentence?

>>21001656
Bought this.

Comes in handy too for when I copy out quotes and passages

>>21001688
Are the german parts translated?

>>20991685
>Don't get married, not until you can say you've done everything possible, and until you have stopped loving your chosen woman, until you can see her clearly - otherwise you will be making a cruel mistake that cannot be put right


>Selfish, vain, stupid, totally vacuous - thats what women are when they show themselves in their true colours


Is this true? What did he mean by this?

>>21001766
I don’t think I’ve gotten to them yet, give me a chapter number and I’ll check.

>>21001460
See previous thread.

>>21001795
Book 1 part 2 chapters 11 and 12

>>21001868
Well, they are directly translated into French and sadly it’s not even mentionned that they were originally in German (assuming I read the right parts and didn’t fuck up, I’m reading it on the kindle app and it’s not that easy to navigate)

I'm finally home, getting ready to start. What am I in for?

This story is set right at the beginning of the Napoleon wars, right? Why do the russian nobles write invites to their get togethers in french and even speak it occasionally amongst each other? I assume they speak french to sound classy and cultured, but would that still be the case when tensions are this high between the 2 countries? Like, the russian generals and noblemen aren't irritated that their women speak the language of their soon to be enemy at their parties?

>>21001987
Russian Empire kino

>>21002010
That’s not how the European nobility reasoned anon

>>21002010
It's Napoleon, the usurper, they are at war with, not the country.

>>21001784
This speech plus the fact that he is described to phase out with an annoyed expression any time his wife speaks makes it impossible for me to not imagine Andrei as Al Bundy in my mind's eye.

Everyone in the book is extremely civilized and shows incredible decorum and manners. Even the outsider, Pierre's faux pas is just sperging a little bit too much about how great Napoleon is. Where the fuck did we go wrong

>>21002010
Its the 18-19th century, anon, French back then was what English is today, the universal language that everyone (educated) understood.

Also, what that anon said
>>21002022
The european nobility saw nationalism as their antitheses

*Ding ding ding*
Ahem....I have an announcement to make.

Oh boy i sure hope Pierre doens't become a freemason

>>21002104
Take your time, anon, we'll all wait patiently with bated breath

>>21002018
Sounds very based

There is a TV ministry starring Paul Dano as Pierre which I would recommend after you've finished the book. Don't be stupid and watch it before you've finished the book

>>21002104
I'm all ears

>>21002320
By that I mean don't watch it before you've finished because it'll obviously spoil the thing

It took me 2 hours to get to chapter 8. Im not going to make it bros...

>>21002490
Yes you are.
Just spend all your free time on reading.
If you cant because of work, sleep, eating and commuting then i have nothing to say.

>5 pages read in an hour
ITS OVER

>>21002712
>>21002490
why though? So far this is much more enjoyable and fun to read than I thought. I always had this idea that this book would be very confusing and somewhat tedious and boring, but the first 8 chapters are up to a great start. No boring info dump or confusing dialog. Just straight up good and easy to read character introductions and interactions.

>>21001234
This is the commentary I come to a 4chan reading group for. Pierre is definitely autistic enough to be one of us.

>>20999755
>>21001304
I’m all for this as well. I’m about a third of the way through AGD and want to read GR next of Pynchon’s stuff.

>Pierre
literally me

>>21001444
Based, Chad-tier and Pierre-pilled.

>>21001539
I think he was just trying to shut Chad Lad Pierre up.

>>21001784
That was a pretty great monologue, I highlighted it as well. It does stick out to me that he seems to only feel that men who can actually accomplish something meaningful need to be worried about their wives holding them back, though.

>>21001987
Russian aristocrats sucking each other off and clutching their pearls as based Italian-educated Pierre drops proto-fascism on their asses.

>>21002320
>Paul Dano
I really struggled to picture Pierre in my head when I started reading so I decided to “cheat” a little bit by typing “War and Peace Pierre” on Google, and when I saw him I immediately knew he was gonna play Pierre in my head.

>>21002712
How? Are you reading it in a foreign language or are you dyslexic or something?

Is there War and Peace fan fiction?

>>21001750
link?

>>21002894
fucking hell, paul dano as Pierre is the worst casting choice ive ever seen in my iife. he doesn't the description at all. dont do that to yourself

>>21003222
The only reason he was casted was so the Britcuck viewers can immediately know which one is the proto-fascist autistic white supremacist archetype. Wouldn’t want Britbongs thinking for themselves.

>>20991685
I forgot how much war and peace sucks compared to Anna Karenina

>>21003222
My brain has taken his decision, there’s nothin we can do about it anon.

>>21003378
I keep seeing anons praise AK, what’s so good about it?

>>20991685
I've finished reading W&P awhile back, but have something to say to it in terms of the readers of this gigantic work.
I've heard that most contemporary readers of W&P will skip the philosophical parts (i.e. conversations between Pierre and Andrei, Pierre and the Freemasons, the third-person narration within the epilogue chapters explaining military strategies and the rationale of war, etc...) or that such readers will buy an abridged text to condense the work so they can quickly finish it as part of some redundant reading challenge (though this could also be applicable to many literature novels exceeding 1000+ pages).
Eventually, they read it just for the characters alone because they treat it as a soap opera series and cannot comprehend reading W&P as a piece of philosophical work nor would they approach Tolstoy's analysis of military history.

Is that true, /lit/izens?

>>21003433
He knew she was there by the rapture and the terror that seized on his heart. She was standing talking to a lady at the opposite end of the ground. There was apparently nothing striking either in her dress or her attitude. But for Levin she was as easy to find in that crowd as a rose among nettles. Everything was made bright by her. She was the smile that shed light on all round her. “Is it possible I can go over there on the ice, go up to her?” he thought. The place where she stood seemed to him a holy shrine, unapproachable, and there was one moment when he was almost retreating, so overwhelmed was he with terror. He had to make an effort to master himself, and to remind himself that people of all sorts were moving about her, and that he too might come there to skate. He walked down, for a long while avoiding looking at her as at the sun, but seeing her, as one does the sun, without looking.

>>21001116
kek, I won't read War and Peace either until I learn French at least, unableness to read in the original bothers me so fucking much

>>21003435
Are there freemason in this book?
Yeah i'd skip that, that's not very christian.

>>21002010
It's a weird time caused by forcible reforms of Peter the Great. Society changed while language did not. In the end educated classes found it's easier to speak in French because there was no words in Russian to decribe what they learned with theirs French gouvernats and teachers and it became a part of etiquette.

>>21003378
I like it a lot so far, but if Anna Karenina is even better, I'm really looking forward to eventually getting to that one next. Can we add Anna Karenina to the candidates for the next /lit/ reading or have most people here read it already?

>>21003435
Dunno how others are reading it, but at around 30 pages a day, we're taking it slow and I would assume this pace lends itself well for an active and attentive reading, at least that's how I'm treating it.

>>21003450
Do you speak Russian?

>>21003592
I'm native

So I told Dolokhov to drink an entire bottle of rum.. he actually dit it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha!

>>21003435
How could we know? We’re clearly not in that mindset at least.

>>21003525
Sure

>>21003595
not the other Anon but dont waste time , go get the 5000 most common french words anki deck and start grinding.

>>21002490
Same. I enjoyed it tho

>>21003450
>unableness
holy archaism, try
>inability

>>21002490
Why not? It’s not that slow and worst case scenario you’ll lag behind a little

>>21003525
One would imagine we could wrap back around to that, I think Gravity's Rainbow is probably the most popular request so far

>>21002574
>If you cant because of work, sleep, eating and commuting then i have nothing to say.
Except you can literally read during three of those. I spend a minimum of 1/3 of my work day reading fiction. If you want me to work more than 4 hours a day you are going to have to pay me what software developers on the coasts are getting paid, idgaf. I prorate that shit.

>>20991685
When will we start

>>21003501
Yes, but I would not skip anything in W&P. Tolstoy himself was a Christianfag and loathed the Freemason ritual shit.
>>21003542
Makes sense that some people are reading it slowly because of personal life. But it's not really a hard text to read, just very long.
>>21003612
I'm assuming that most people here haven't read it yet, but am giving some insight on how people will be reading it.

>>21003699
Today, read the first eight chapters and then come talk about Pierre Chad

>>21003718
>Yes, but I would not skip anything in W&P. Tolstoy himself was a Christianfag and loathed the Freemason ritual shit.
I will never understand Catholicucks raving about Freemasons when they have all the ritualistic nonsense and blatant idolatry that they do.

>>21003683
>Gravity's Rainbow
ISHYGDDT.
I will continue to request a Rabelais read-along (as we were about to do a read-along for Gargantua & Pantagruel after Ulysses), or The Death of Ivan Ilyich.
Fuck Pynchon.

>>21003718
I am about halfway done with the second book. So far the only thing skippable was the hunting part

>>21003758
I thought we were about to read Gargantua & Pantagruel after Don Quixote. (I have finished both now)

>>21003699
As >>21003739 pointed out, 8 chapters a day IS the official format, as the other alternatives aren't as popular/practical.
>Inb4 my edition has a different chapter count
I'm following Kuper's translation (in spanish) but I believe it has the same number of chapters as P&V, I'll check it later but feel free to use the latter as a reference. In any case, if your edition has 15 books + 2 epilogues, you can read 1 book every 2-3 days to keep up
If you prefer percentages, read ~2.216% of the book each day
>inb4 but I'm ahead/behind
Yes, it's an approximation

>>21003758
>Fuck Pynchon.
But, why?

>>21003791
Honestly, the chapter thing is strange to me. Are there actually editions that combine/split chapters differently than the original edition? What sort of retarded translator decides to define their own chapters?

>>21003807
Maybe some anons bought an abridged edition, idk

>>21003789
was there already a /lit/ reading for Don Quixote or do you mean it was planned?

>>21003791
>if your edition has 15 books + 2 epilogues
How long are the 2 epilogues combined? My version only has 1 epilogue, about 70 pages long, did the translator of my version just combine the 2 into 1 or is one missing?

>>21003435
I just finished Volume 2

I really like the Pierre and Andrei stuff but I do love the soap opera stuff the most though lol. A lot of quotes I'm recording seems to be stuff said by Pierre, Andrei and Marya (his sister)

Just quick scanning the part I'm up to which seems it's back to war stuff and it seems like it will be another sausage-fest for a while. The general battle stuff seems a bit boring to me besides peak parts that related to the main characters.

>>21004060
There was already a /lit/ reads Don Quixote, back in April I think.

>>21004118
I like the parts about Tushin

>>21004103
Some versions might have 1 epilogue divided in 2 parts, it's a mess I know

>>21004118
Honestly I really liked the war parts.

I know this sounds autistic but I would recommend reading up or watching some youtube videos about the battle of Austerlitz and Borodino.

If you actually know how he battle unfolded, reading how it's slowly described from the characters perspectives in W&P is far more enjoyable.

>>21003801
He's an ugly homo

I think this book is too tricky for me

Shit. I near forgot. Downloading now and will bang off chapters 1-8.

>>21004469
I'm banging Lise's upper lip. That was her, right?
Hard to keep all of these broads straight. Does that say something about women generally, or Tolstoy? It was easy enough to keep track of all the men.

What the fuck? Did you troll me /lit/? I don't fucking speak French.

>>21004480
Lise, Helen, Maria, Natasha, Sonya, etc all have completely different personalities. Natasha is a bit of a caricature even

It's not challenging. It's just long.

>>20991685
maybe i'm just a pleb (I also don't really know/care about a lot of russian history) but I'm not really feeling it. maybe it's an age thing but the soap opera feel is killing me. all the more power to you anons, have fun, maybe I'll see you guys in the next read along

>>20991685
>The Count of Monte Cristo, Infinite Jest are the candidates for the next readalong
Can I nominate Journey to the West?
>>21001234
>Man I promised that I wouldn't go drinking with my friend again
>Well I promised him I would come first
>we're all gonna die anyway
>Lets tie a policeman to our bear and throw them both in the river
He went from loathsome to based in only 10 pages.

>>21001766
>implying gutless g*rman can be translated into a language as beautiful as French
lol, lmao even.

can someone post a summary after every chunk of chapters we read so I'm sure im not missing anything

What's the deal with Pavlovna's aunt, and why does everyone have to greet her? It feels like she is somehow testing/fucking with her guests.

>>21005101
Not sure about every edition but I’m reading the penguin clothbound classics and there’s a really brief summery of each chapter that you can look at in the back, page 1379 for me

>>20995682
Ok is simple thank

>>21005169
Also why isn't she married as a high society woman?

>>21004264
I don't like how my translation englishizes the russian/french names. It's actually fairly confusing. they're close enough but still annoying

So it looks like this Anna Mihalovna character is plotting to steal Pierre's inheritance somehow.

>>21004818
I feel like it's challenging to keep track of who all the characters are, especially when each of them have 2-3 different names they can be referred to by. Doubly so because they're all genteel aristocrats and rarely have any personality traits that distinguish them from the other genteel aristocrats they're talking to.

>>21005512
It always take a while to get tused to it but my book (penguin/Briggs) has a page in the back I referred to every now and then for the first 200 pages or so.

But you pick up on it pretty easily

>>21005169
She's old

>>21005512
this, I have no trouble with old greek names and Japanese names give me a bit of trouble but Russian names are the worst

>>21005857
You get the hang of it after a while.

The same character is usually refered to by 4 different names but their actual names usually have a regular "first middle surname" where the kids name is based of their fathers name

The same character can be referred to as
First
First middle
Surname
Nickname

I always got confused to begin with because when you see two names together you automatically think their middle name is their surname

>>21005942
>kids
Middle*

wtf bros this is a harder read than I thought :(

>>21005857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronymic#Russian

There's zero complexity if you understand that it's not a middle name, and it's completely static for each person. Polite way of addressing is name with patronymic, friends use name only. Nicknames work exactly like Bill and William.

I like the part where that youngster ignores the old lady and goes and talks realpolitik to elitedudes

>>20991685
I forgot to get started today. How long did it take you guys to read so I can plan my day around catching up?

Will these faggot aristocrats chill out with the fucking FRENCH already I can't understand half what they're saying

>>20991685
Yeah, fuck this. The Maude translation from zLibrary was broken and full of French blabbering. The other translation was completely broken and couldn't even be transferred onto my Kindle. I'll make sure to join in on the next one, but till then I'll read Notes of a Dirty Old Man to keep myself entertained.

>Anons crying for a little bit of French in the first pages
NGMI

>>20997586
yes a woman's peach fuzz on the upper lip is erotic. It's soft and feminine and very obviously a different type of hair from a man's facial hair, plus it contrasts with the soft lips. It's for the discerning gentleman. If you have a gf you should pay attention to the fine vellus hairs of her face and notice how soft it is. Angelic

>>21006367
That’s weird, the Maude I got from zLibrary is perfectly formatted and even has linked endnotes for all the French

>>21006425
please post the link

>Anna Pavlovna welcomed him with the kind of bow she reserved for the lowest persons in the hierarchy of her drawing-room. But even as she bestowed her meanest welcome on this new arrival Anna Pavlovna's face was transformed; she looked ill at ease and full of alarm, like someone who had come across some gross object, oversized and out of place. By a small margin Pierre was indeed the largest man in the room, but her look of dismay must surely have derived from this man's special look - intelligent, rather diffident, but also piercing and spontaneous - that made him a distinctive figure in the drawing-room.
This Pierre guy sounds pretty based

>>21006429
https://3lib dot net/book/5677934/f99fae
>>21006430
Is he supposed to be a Napoleon fanboy? He does make some pretty based points

>>21006434
Holy shit thanks, It's perfect. Would you mind telling me how you found it? It's definitely not the one that first comes up when you look up the book title on ZLibrary. I'm a bit new to the Kindle and pirating ebooks in general so I'd appreciate any new insight I can get. Thanks.

And I take back my post >>21006367
I will be participating in this reading and I hope I'll be able to contribute.

>>21006452
I just used libgen, searched War and Peace, looked for the biggest epub that listed Maude in the author alongside Tolstoy, clicked the zlib cross-link in the book’s page and tested it in Calibre before moving it to my Kobo

>>21006484
I guess zlibrary just sucks, I'll start using Libgen from now on.

>>21006430
My mental image of Pierre is he looks like Penn Jilette and now yours is too.

>>21006367
just buy the penguin classics paperback edition from Amazon. It's like 10 bucks and it's a translation that has all the foreign language parts in english. Also this book is well worth having as a physical copy anyway.

Haha he said "What The Deuce" that's what Stewie from Family Guy always says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi12EFY0YLg

Good scans of illustrations reprinted in numerous books for half a century.
http://book-graphics.blogspot.com/2013/10/war-and-peace-by-leo-tolstoy.html

>>21006959
mes frères...

When it gets to the chapter where Boris and his mom go to meet Pierre's dying father, it casually mentions that Pierre's name is actually Pjotr and that's how they call him at home. But why does everyone else refer to him as Pierre? Is this like a weeb thing, only he really wants to be french? Did he some day just tell people "My name isn't Pjotr, it's PIERRE and by the way, Napoleon did nothing wrong."?

>>21001868
My version of the French text (Pleïades edition) has the German text in German and it is translated in the footnotes.

>>21007103
>Is this like a weeb thing
Why do you think they are all speaking french? lmao

Footnote of my French edition. They’re saying the parts Tolstoy wrote in French are a little bit stilted and have some mistakes. Thought this was interesting!

>>21007103
Whole Europe spoke French and used analogous French names when doing so (if there was one). Some Peter could be called Pierre, too. There was no stress on keeping the native pronunciation intact. Many individual names in books and journals were translated through an intermediate language, and changed their forms, and it wasn't seen as problem.

That late revelation that Pierre is not in fact Pierre is an obvious choice of Tolstoy to show his character's nature and position at the time. Andrei is also called André when they speak French, along with others.

>>21007141
I hope they understood that less educated characters speaking French were intended to make more or less obvious mistakes. There's probably a complete analysis of Tolstoy's French, though, so don't ask me, I don't speak it anyway.

>>21006959
These illustrations are gorgeous! Thank you for posting, the characters are exactly like I imagined.

>>21007160
Oh, most definitely. However it is implied these mistakes in French are not made on purpose, as even the aristocrats sometimes employ the language in a gauche manner. I don’t think I’ve seen any “less educated” characters who speak French worse yet, though.

How did the schedule go from 20 pages per day to 8 chapters? That's quite a disparity.

>>21007188
wasn't the initial plan 30 pages? That's often fairly close to 8 chapters. At 20 pages a day it would take forever to finish this book.

>>21007188
>>21007213
The initial was 50, but we lowerd it to 30.
But doing it by chapter was more logical since different translations have often different page count.

>>21007213
>oh, if we did 20 pages a day it would take 6 months of you reading an hour a day instead of you spending 4 hours a day reading it, reading in every second of spare time you have, so we can move on to infinite jest
My kindle says I have 3 hours left in the chapter. I assume each chapter is 1 "part"

>>21002962
It was just off Amazon

Jus type in book stand

>>21007406
I think you are confusing something here. This entire book has 4 volumes which consist of 15 books or parts depending on what your edition calls it. Each of those parts has x amounts of chapters, which are usually very short, sometimes only 2-4 pages. That's what we're counting. 8 of those small chapters a day. There is no single chapter in this book that is anywhere close to 3 hours long.

>>21007536
in the table of contents, Book 1 has 3 parts, each about the same length
The "chapter time remaining" thing i mentioned, I think is the length of the "part".
If the plan is to read book 1 over 4 days, thats like 3 hours a day

>>21007614
no, the idea is to read 1 part of the book over 4 days. For my version for instance, that would amount to 144 pages for the first 28 chapters of book 1 part 1, which is very much doable in 4 days without having to read more than 1-2 hours a day.

>>21006951

>13 years old

Today's reminder:
>day 2
Book I, chapters 9-16, or ~4.432%

>>21008075
BORIS YOU SICK FUCK

>>21008103
screw you guys, i'm reading till the end of the party

I don't have the patience to read this much of a long book bros. I'll just stay with my shorter reads. Maybe I'll read this when I can reliably hold my attention for more than 10 minutes.

No prime cunny will ever teach your fat self how to dance.

>>21007103
>Is this like a weeb thing
yes. one of the themes of the novel is the complete and hypocritical lack of nationalism among the aristocratic class.

>>21008114
jej

>>21008293
I had the exact same thought…

Why do you guys only have 25 chapters in your first part ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vQn6_ButLtvbkmQ81yF3wnhBEWqbJUE39A9eWoLDyMiKzhPRYZ4o7Q_sHK_k5vX-Khb9m4a3MO7demm/pubhtml

Found this
We follow the Dunningan chapter cut I guess ?

i just realized my war and peace copy is below my bed holding the woodwork up cause my bed is broken
i have like bunch of stacks of books below my bed holding it together
can you get anymore lit than that

>>21008463
Looks like it.
I am reading it in my own language and it has the same schedule as p&v

Is it too late to get started??

>>21008683
nope!

>>21001784
wasnt expected to be blackpilled this early on

what do I get from and after reading it, apart from entertainment?

>>21006430
it's early doors but i think Pierre is /ourguy/

>>21008683
no it's literally day 2. i only started earlier this morning

This is boring. Wake me when you read another book

Is anyone even reading? This thread is dead
Also, why do you guys post spoilers, thats not nice

Its all intrigues, drama, mindless gossip, high society circlejerk, power plays rolled into tolstoys doomer outlook to life
What good does this book has to offer?

>>21008916
and how far into the book are you?

>>21008932
I read couple of chapters before, and excerpts from this thread. I also read anna karenina in full.
Whilst that book i did enjoy, it also suffers from those issues i mentioned but in this one its much more prominent.
Why would i acknowledge and support aristocrat snobbism and vanity? Those people arent 1 bit better than the commoners, infact they are worse cause they have the power to change the world but they choose to act whimsically with selfishness and conceit

>>21008958
> read couple of chapters before, and excerpts from this thread.
>Why would i acknowledge and support aristocrat snobbism and vanity?

so you are a literal retard with no idea what the fuck you are talking about

>>21008958
a big section of war and peace is literally all about one of the characters trying to leverage their wealth and power to change things for the better, particularly for commoners, while dealing with other shithead aristocrats and other hurdles along the way

>>21008989
Ok thanks buddy i think i might give it a shot

I'm starting now and will post again when I have read 60 pages, or through chapter 16.

>>21008683
Absolutely not. I hope you've started already. It reads easily. I would only advise that you keep a brief note on who is who.

>Russia alone has to save Europe
Are they in this denial today also? How can someone be so out of touch with reality?

What is going on with Lisa and Hippolyte?

>>21008958
Aristocracy > Democracy

>>21009064
The novel is set before Communism destroyed their culture and turned them into a nation of hedonistic krokodil addicts. Imperial Russia could've saved Europe from its fate.

>>21009256
Yes, immediately after i posted ive realized she talked about napoleon. Its true russia was a different country before jews got in power. Thats why we all read russian classics i guess

>>21008916
> '...does this book has to offer'

Better grammar than yours for one thing, Anon.

>>21008916
You just enumerated five great subjects for a good read, Anon. Not only that but Tolstoy was nowhere near the Doomer he was destined to be by the time of writing of 'War and Peace'. Switch on.

>>21009232
Can't say I've flagged it as particularly important. Should I have?

>>21009232
Can’t say I noticed anything particular about them either! Could you be referring to the marriage that Prince Vassily is trying to arrange between Anatole and Marie Bolkonski?

>>21008262
That is a cripplingly bad case of attention deficit you have there. If you're by any chance spending more than 3 hours a day on the internet willingly. I implore you to check out 'The Shallows' and/or go to a Doctor.

I don’t think the length of the book should deter you from reading it if you have a short attention span. On the contrary, I find the fact that it’s divided in very short chapters wonderful since I myself tend to get distracted easily. I can take frequent breaks without having to stop in the middle of a page. The key is to come back to it frequently, which I don’t even have to force myself to do since it has become quite a fascinating read! I started Saturday and I’m on page 260, which isn’t impressive, but shows that you can read this even if you can’t stay focused for long.

>>21009256
imperial Russia would have been around still if it wasn't simply for the greed of the aristocracy. they couldn't save themselves, let alone Europe

Is it okay to dislike Pavlovna

>>21007168
There's quite literally commentary on the dude who tells the random story at the party to shut up Based Pierre speaking poor French.

>>21007188
>20 pages per day to 8 chapters
>quite a disparity
Spotted the abject retard

>>21008075
I thought she was twelve, but I never was very good at math.

bros am i unironically fucked? i'm only on ch 7

>>20996730
vpn?

>>21009649
That really depends. How old are you? What do you usually read? How often and for how long?

>>21008124
truly basado

>>21008867
do the day's reading before perusing the thread you autist

>>21009249
Yeah, but can you concede that they both devolve to the same corruptions?

>>21009256

>>21009256
>Imperial Russia could've saved Europe from its fate
Indeed, that exact point had been made in the text.

>>21009461
It's behaviour like this that disallow this thread from getting more interesting. Hard to discuss things when there's no unity of shared context.

>>21009668
>How old are you? What do you usually read? How often and for how long?
bro i'm not gay bro stop trying to get to know me

>>21009649
Nah, you've got plenty of time to get caught up. Read a chapter, play a game of CS:GO or rub one out or get on with the neighbor's goat, read another chapter, repeat. Maybe you get a hard on for one of the wenches in the book and read two chapters back-to-back.

>>21009684
ngl princess helene could get it

>>21009682

>>21009681
These words have no discernible meaning, at least not in the order you've written them.

>>21009681
I don’t see how me reading ahead discourages discussion. I’m reading the same pages as everyone else, thus sharing the same “context”, and I’m eager to participate in relevant discussions when they occur. I don’t intend to share things that happen later on in the novel until everyone has read up to it. I’m very invested, it’s hard for me to stop reading!

1/2
16 chapters in and it's great so far. A comparably more relaxed effort to my first reading of another great 19th century Russian Novel, 'Crime and Punishment', earlier this year. (I came to this reading somewhat more readily versed in Tolstoy's authorial style than I did with Dostoyevsky's though.) Particularly intriguing topics for me so far range across various textual subjects. From character – Tolstoy created 500 for this Epic if you're counting the animals with names, Bruin the bear being our first(?)) –; to the subsequently varied discourse structure, which often affords us odd but pleasant moments of tonal and thematic juxtaposition; to the narration and its tendency to explore the minute and highly intricate nature of Upper Class social interaction.

Pierre's a delight. (He, Andrei, Natasha, and Nikolai are the closest things to protagonist's we gave so far.) He's endearingly hapless and naïve despite his intellect and good heart. I quite enjoy his capacity for positive and seemingly reasonable assessments of people, which contrast to his more impulsive tenancies for decadence and risk. Perhaps this is because one gets the sense that this will backfire on him in some fashion (and why the hell wouldn't they when there are still literally thousands of pages ahead of us?... ((unless the font in your editions is so small, or, indeed, your pages so big, that your page number is impacted to the extent of decreasing from four digits to three))).

>>20991685
>>21009874

2/2
I find the fine attention to matters of social interaction to be quite exhilarating. They're being utilised as a dramatic device by Tolstoy, depicting conflict on paralinguistic levels in some instances. For example, the reader may feel much sympathy for Boris who, thanks to his contrasting lack of much experience in dealing with and manipulating individuals of substantial power in comparison to his mother, fails to earn the necessary good opinion of Prince Vasili. Reputation, respect, and regard for decorum are commodities that are certainly not taken for granted in this Aristocratic reality; and it's fascinating to be given analytic insight into the social interactions which make up that reality, as well as into the Psychology that receives and guides them.

The narrator, by virtue of its omniscience, has given us these weirdly rich moments of minor narrative(?) digression. These can be preceded by the presentation of very different social events, and representation of thought. (And they can be quite humorous as a result.) At the end of chapter fifteen you're reminded that it's not just the main characters who are the victims of mental battles which are symptomatic of a relentlessly traditional, stuffy, and deeply ingrained culture of highly valued aristocratic ideals; those of ego, sexuality, ideology, and envy. This is achieved by the free indirect thought presentation allowing us access into the particular anxieties of a German tutor; which are juxtaposed with the with children's more impulsive matters of love and attraction.

bump limit reached anons

>>20991685
>>day 2
>Book I, chapters 9-16
I read up to chapter 20. I thought it was 40 pages a day?

I haven't started yet and it's making me anxious!

>>21001784
Why is this so relevant even today?

As I get older I see this so very often in relationships where the guy is just so worn down, and feel like 80% of women are the selfish, vain, stupid vacuous type.

I still see the the good types every now and then but it just scares me how those vacuous types lock in so many good men and drag them down.

Mostly unrelated to war and peace but can anyone recommend a translation for The Brothers Karamazov? First time Dostoevsky reader.

Hope I can catch up soon. Got up to Chapter 4 earlier today, after finally getting through all my classwork. It's pretty interesting so far, although I'm already confusing character names.

>>21010422
I started tonight. I'm hoping I can get caught up but I'm also trying to get caught up on my taxes so I'm fucked.

>>20991685
I'm up to volume 3 and last night I was lazy and only read 1 chapter. I feel like in going to fall behind and be over lapped