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read Red Rising

Question to folks who are familiar with Lord of the Rings and general Tolkien's lore, what were his portrayals of women? I've only read Hobbit and the main trillogy, but that was long ago, so I cannot recall how women were exactly written.

I know there was this review by a guy calling Tolkien's heroes maidenless men who 'have never known the touch of a woman.' How was this in silmarilion? Yes, the question is inspired by watching the first episode of new LotR show, it seemed decent as a fantasy, but barely anything was explained and I had to read the wiki to learn what those two radiant trees were (are those actually trees? The wiki says 'lamps'). I'm not even sure if that scene of burning city at the start was supposed to be the fall of Numenor or not. They really fucked up that side of the show, haven't they? Just making a decent fantasy, but the lore aspects were either bluntly told in exposition-like dialogues or skimmed.

>>20948524
The core of Tolkien's lore is his self-insert simping for his waifu and plethora of stand-ins for mariolatry. Frodo and Bilbo are definitely confirmed bachelors, though.

>>20948524
His world building is top notch, but his characters are mediocre.

>>20948426
I'm struggling through it....... It's really cringe dude

>>20948385
>be me
>be german
>want to read bakker
>decide to order The Darkness That Comes Before online through a local bookstore
>go to pick it up
>store is only open for picking up orders because of corona
>wearing mask
>the day i ordered it i came up with what i thought was a sick piece of small talk
>decide to use it on the person processing my order, no matter who it's gonna be
>rehearsing the bit in my head
>hoping for a cute girl
>go up to the register and it's a middle aged woman
>tell her i ordered a book
>she says "name?"
>i thought she asked for the author's name and say " Richard Bakker"
>she's typing it in and says no one by that name ordered anything
>i explain and give her my name
>already cringing
>she gets the book
>as she hands it to me i prepare for my badass small talk bit
>start by saying "you know-" right as she gives me the total
>off we go again
>mumbling under my mask "you know if I adhered to the philosophy that this book is talking about i would steal this book hehe"
>"I'm sorry come again?"
>keep mumbling "well this book talks about Dunyain... it's about, you know, being your own creative nothing "
>she doesn't seem to understand
>"it's not that important"
>asks me to pay again
>struggle to get the money out of my wallet with the book in my hand
>leave
>as i exit i shake my head and realize i did not act like Kellhus

Anyone lost interest in Stormlight as it's gone on?
I really enjoyed book 1, found book 2 to be pretty good, but books 3 and 4 were way too long with painfully bloated plots and the massive focus on mental health detracted from my enjoyment of fantasy capeshit

Into the trash it goes.

>>20948567
>Stars my destination
lmao I've read this in an old translation, it was interesting but then became boring

Fuchsia told me "you've changed"
I said yeah bitch I Groan up

2 books in so far
>all men are stupid and incompetent
>women invent everything from wheels to writing
>"women can't crack because we are water"
haha

>>20948797
It's a masterpiece of chaotic evilness

>>20948701
Book one was amazing. Book two was great. Book three was alright but the ending was good. Book four is the biggest pile of shit I have ever seen. One of the worst books I have ever read (I haven’t even finished it yet). I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with Sanderson. I really hope the next book will be good again but I doubt it. The best thing that can happen is for Shallan, Kaladin, Adolin and Navani to be brutally slaughtered and using other characters to continue the story.

>>20948701
Book one was pretty good, its major flaw was that Shallan's plotline was almost completely removed from the rest of it, while Kaladan's and Dalinar's are deftly intertwined. So you have 1/3 of the book being a completely different story with very little overlap.
Book two was a bit weaker. It fixes the major issue with the first book, but introduces that awful love triangle. Also has a major focus on Shallan as a character but then he does nothing in the finale and Kaladin steals the show again. The reason the first book works is that the story's climax is also the climax of Kaladin's character arc, and in the second book Shallan's isn't.
Book Three definitely drags on at some points, but the climax is so fucking amazing that its my favorite of the series.
Book Four is so much worse than the rest that its baffling. In addition to most of the book being our main characters just moping around being sad, it also decided to make Navani of all people the focus of the book. And not only is she annoying, but turns out she is a massive retard as well. It's like Sanderson completely forgot how to write for the fourth book.
Overall, I feel that Sanderson made the protagonists way too strong, and so now he has to come up with ridiculous contrivances and give the main characters mental blocks so that there can be tension.

Any place to get audiobooks?

>>20949124
Legally? Or YAR HAR?t

I finished Wheel of Time and felt an immense sense of disappointment with how the situation with the Dark One was resolved. The Last Battle was pretty cool though.
What long-running series do I get into next?
>finish Realm of the Elderlings
>Wars of Light and Shadow
>Thomas Covenant
>Cosmere (I didn't dislike Sanderson's parts of WoT so surely it can't be that bad right?)

>>20947793
thanks anon

>>20948972
I didn't see any evil in it
I actually found humorous. The levitating part in the end was funny for example

>>20948385
And new ai art generators? What's your favorite?

>>20949262
With Sanderson, you have to keep in mind that this general mostly shits on him because he is popular, especially on Reddit.

>>20949282
Please take your milquetoast newfag opinions back to whichever board you came from.

scifi writers be like
>here's my protagonist, Takeda Willhelmstein, brilliant indian-russian (but texan grown) female astromoleculostringtheorist with 5 PhD's at the age of 21

>>20949302
fantasy writers be like
>here's my protagonist, Bubba of Hicksville, a farmboy who has never been further than three miles from his home but who is secretly the heir to the throne and has mastered swordsmanship, archery and moving through the woods by playing with his friends as a child

>>20949178
Well for free, I'd like to listen some parts when I'm going to work so I don't waste my time.

>>20949073
>>20949032
You guys really like the book three's finale? To me it was just a incredibly blunt mormon evangelazing, felt dirt when I read that. I like schizo writings, but mormonic ones are just uninspired and dull.

>>20949302
>>20949313
Sci-fi books read as if the authors spent their entire lifes not leaving house and learning of what humans do through other books (or the internet, these days).

Fantasy writers write as if drama and human emotions were the most important things to exist, but any hard science is almost anathema to those authors.

>>20949365
It's one of Sanderson's strengths is writing finales, and you can sort of tell he had Oathbringer's planned in some form for a while. Dalinar is very clearly a character he's spent some time creating compared to, say, Shallan who feels a lot more surface-level.

>>20949302
Sounds like waifu material.

rec me a really nihilistic sci-fi or fantasy book

>>20949379
>Dalinar is very clearly a character he's spent some time creating
Sanderson's very first character he created, yea

>>20949396
nihilistic as in mopping self-defeating MC or evilmaxxing MC?

>>20949448
Isn't Hoid his first character he's made? I know Dalinar is one he's mentioned he's had in mind for a while.

>>20949124
Youtube, Audiobookbay

>>20949396
The Prince of Nothing. Make sure to finish the 2nd series for that delicious nihilism.

>>20949983
The 2nd series is his best, its actually sublime, best series since the dawn of time

>>20949396
If you're a science enthusiast then Childhood's End can ruin the hope you have for the future.

>>20948524
Here's his genealogy. When a male and female have sex they have offspring.

>>20949993
Iron gaze forged from iron will
Lock eyes and you feel a chill
Eye of a predator following prey
He knows Bakker is the only way

>>20949396
Perdido Street Station.

>>20949302
Soulless
>>20949313
Soulful

>>20949302
>>20949376
SF writers of yore tended to be professors and engineers so that makes sense.

>>20950138
Really? Name 100 of them.

What order do I read this schizo in?

>>20950337

>>20950337
Page one

read cradle

>>20950539
i downloaded the first book, when i get bored of Witcher i'll start it

>>20949313
Alm

>>20948260
>This is such a fundamentally retarded point of view that it is impossible to stoop down to its level without actual brain damage.
Sooo... you don't have an argument then. You're the one who said that worldbuilding isn't fake rules. All I did was give you the opportunity to prove your statement. I'm listening.

>>20950049
>>20948524
Okay Anons, what the fuck. I just lurked r/lotr and apparently my complains about Rings of Power are kinda unfortunate because...THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE SILMARILION LORE!?

What the actual fuck. They are doing TV show about Middle-Earth but cannot even show the good stuff because even mentioning it would be a COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT on Silmarilion and other Tolkien stuff? Even trying to connect the show to Jackson's trullogy is a big no-no. How the fuck could this shit happen.

I know Tolkien's estate is weird about the movies, but isn't Silmarilion the juicest stuff Tolkien had put out?

Everyone loses, the show is poorer for all the missing lore, the fans don't get real Tolkien writings because the writers are forced to come up with their own with only hinting at the real stuff, and the Tolkien's Estate gets Tolkien's reputation taking a hit because the tv show is not good enough.

This bullshit is beyond my comprehension. I mean, I know Amazon could try to boy copyright to silmarilion as well, but they already paid 250 milions for the Appendices. Everyone fucking loses.

>>20950714
>I mean, I know Amazon could try to boy copyright to silmarilion as well, but they already paid 250 milions for the Appendices. Everyone fucking loses.
given how fucking bad the show is that's a good thing, think of how much of a disaster it would be if they started making the real stuff more woke. instead they're just making their own gay, retarded woke fanfiction that's based on what amounts to wikipedia articles of miscellaneous lore.

>>20948385
Are the Greg Bear Halo novels any good?

Thoughts on this year's Hugo award winners?

>>20950790
Sigh. I haven't read a single one of them. I really need to break out of my rut of endlessly re-reading the same 50 or 60 favorite books.

>>20950714
We don't know what deal Amazon made with the Tolkien Estate because it's private. I haven't been following it, but I think everything we know comes from the Tom Shippey interview (supposedly broke NDA) where he said Amazon can only use SA, not FA or TA except in certain circumstances, and the Estate can veto whatever they want.
https://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/30918/exklusive-interview-with-tom-shippey-concerning-lotronprime/

>>20950796
Amazon rules supreme over middle earth

>>20950790
I've only read 1 partially. A Desolation Called Peace. That's the second book in the series. And in my opinion not worth finishing. I dropped it out of boredom. The first book was interesting. I don't know where the second book went wrong. I probably had a reason back then and forgot what that reason was. But in any case, I don't think it's deserving of an award. Surely, something better came out in the last year. Just by sheer probability, anything should have been able to beat A Desolation Called Peace.

Thoughts?

>>20950931
i downloaded it, i'll tell you what i think when i get around to reading it in 3 months

>>20950957
Ah nice, thanks man. I saw it at the store but the blurb on the back made it sound romance-y so I picked up an Arthur Machen anthology instead and I just can't stop feeling like maybe I missed out on cool samurai shit.

>>20950931
Havent read it, but already the book cover looks like some nu age artsy type garbage which is a good indication that the book itself may be progressive garbage

What are your favorites Evil Queens or female villains from sff? it's probably one of my favorite fantasy tropes

>>20948766
To be fair I enjoyed the captain thawing out and then wrecking shit

>>20949262
Yeah Cosmere is a long slong but I highly recommend.

>>20949293
Are you seriously trying to have standards here? In the rock bottom? Besides, more then half of those points are total bullshit.

>>20951076
the guy has an avatar of one of netflix's gay pozzed woke shows, he's probably just mad that there aren't more trans characters and that characters don't introduce themselves with their pronouns

>>20951026
Lady and Soulcatcher from the black company

>>20951026
I like Akura Malice (the Akura clan's entire thing is they name people after virtues, they consider malice to be a virtue) from Cradle just because she genuinely seems to switch up from "menacing evil bitch" to "flirt who's too powerful to care about the consequences of her flirtations" to "weirdly doting mother". She has enough of the latter two that you almost forget she's terrifying.

>>20949293
>>20951076
Actually no fuck you that has pissed me off.

>Brandon's writing is merely serviceable

This sentence is meaningless and I refuse to engage with it in any way.

>Brandon focus on the mechancis
This is drippling retard tier. He has rules and intricate systems SO he can lay groundrules for events and then have big dramatic moments involving them without the ever present 'a wizard did it'. GRRM did the opposite and see how that's worked, with the narrative falling apart under 50 different possible magical misdirects.

>Brandon doing side projects is bad

Man posts weekly fucking updates in percentage terms of what he's doing, what fucking planet do you live on where you worry about him finishing the Cosmere.

>Refresher projects bad because money

Might be the most retarded take here, yes writers write in part for material reward. Brandon is obviously concious of this but if the man wanted money we'd be on stormlight 54 and each would be exactly 345 pages, clearly that's not what he's doing here.

>Brando should have written Elantris and Warbreaker sequels

Eh, I want those as well but they are the sideshow to the stormlight archives and always will be.

>Brandon doesn't know what standalone means

I mean he does,

>YA stuff

Just because the prose doesn't suck you off every chapter doesn't make it YA, absolutely basic bitch tier criticsm

Overall 0/10 see my after class

>>20951108
To be fair he does gate hate for that being a Mormon. Luckily those kinds of people tend to not be able to read large books so there's some kind of filter

>>20949262
I liked a decent few Cosmere books. Almost every standalone book (Warbreaker, Elantris, the novellas that aren't Stormlight ones) are generally fairly solid, with Emperor's Soul being genuinely pretty great. The series are a bit trickier, I like Mistborn Era 1's first book... And then the other two are meh. Era 2's so far been fairly solid, but we'll see if it sticks the landing or not. Stormlight starts off really good, and then declines in various ways, to the point that book 4 is... I dunno, it has good moments but it highlights the issues with Sanderson's writing wherein he doesn't seem to know how to give a character a second character arc after their first one so they just repeat the first one.

>>20950931
I read them way back when they came out. I liked them then. I remember thinking the fantastic powers were cleverly presented. I probably would not read it today, knowing it's written by a shapeshifting jewess.

>>20948852
Told you.

>defending Sanderson this hard
Genuinely go back to 17thShard or his subreddit, please.

>>20949262
Only read RotE and Cosmere of the things you listed

One big difference is that RotE is finished, cosmere is far from it.
I like them both.

>>20949293
>Taking advice from a board that recommended me YA garbage like the powder mage trilogy and red rising

>>20951026
I'm not sure I've read a book with an evil queen. Well aside from Cersei Lannister.
What are some books with evil queens?(Good books, not just ANY book with evil queens.)

>defending Bakker is good
>defending Sanderson is bad

>>20951026
Mist in The Dread Empire
she gets pacified by chad wizard dick and turned into a housewife

>>20951189
>akura malice
Garbage muh strong woman. What is even the point of her, their entire clan is run by women and is shit, it makes no sense how they survived for so long when decisionsthose women continously make are totally irrational, the issue is that male strong characters are even more retarded and cucked. Its supposed to be power fantasy novel yet its more about countless women and their feelings. Garbage

>>20951422
Chronicles of Prydain and The Belgariad

>>20951519
>Entire clan is run by women
>Literally just one woman runs it, the next highest ranked people are a mixed group, primarily Fury (male) and Charity (female)

>>20951529
Fury is a literal joke, he runs the clan but otherwise is retarded and he hardly even does anything of note, most male characters are like that, basically useless. Will wight is a fucking misandrist scum

>>20951593
>>20951519
You're trying to hard.

>>20951612
What?

>>20951660
>grr strong women, grr cucked men, grr countless women, grr will wight is a misandrist
You're a cartoon character.

>>20951673
your a coomer and a cuck

I just discovered Moorcock is a jew. His hatred of Tolkien and his own 'GOTTA SUBVERT DEM GOYIM EXPECTATIONS' fantasy makes so much more sense now.

>>20951704
FUCK
I just bought the entire Elric series.
GOD DAMN IT

>>20951704
It couldn't be that they're both overrated mediocre writers but one is vastly more popular than the other.

>>20951743
Nice try, George.

>>20951189
>Akura malice

she and the other monarchs are all a fucking joke

"UHH I CANT ASCEND BECAUSE I WONT BE THE STRONGEST AND I CANT CONTROL SHIT"

shut the fuck up

>>20951704
I listened to an interview with him recently, where he talks about how he recently discovered he was not jewish at all, only english with some irish decent, it was pretty funny listening to him lamenting that fact.
I also rmember another interview with him saying how much he hates children protagonists, and that that's one of the main reasons he hates LOTR, because the hobbits remind him of children.
Also he seemed pretty butthurt about Dungeons & Dragons, saying it ruined fantasy.

>>20951787
That's the entire fucking point is that they're all pathetic for clinging on to that (except Emriss who's staying to keep the rest in check).

>>20951704
That explains his need to correct everyone while producing an inferior legacy of work.

>>20951733
>bought
good goy

>>20951791
>thought he was a jew so he acted like one
>Also he seemed pretty butthurt about Dungeons & Dragons, saying it ruined fantasy.
He's correct about this at least.

>>20951787
Yeah that’s the point, they’re all petty and pathetic and can’t give up their grip on the world.

>>20951791
>when you convince the publisher you're jewish by kiking out uncontrollably

>>20951937
its actually based he jewed the jews while not actually being a jew himself

>add girl from work to my goodreads friends list
>all she reads is chinese yaoi novels and romance novels with fat black women on the cover

>>20949396
Death's Head by David Gunn

>>20952013
>Add woman from work who is 10 years older than me to my Goodreads Friends List
>All she reads are older women/younger men romance novels

>>20952112

Any other Pilgrims here?

>>20952137
This looks either terrible or 'pretty cool'.

>>20951488
Yes.

>>20952137
Harmon cooper is genuinely one of the worst authors I have ever read

>>20952137
>Xianxia shit
S T O P

>>20952161
I wouldn't say he's the worst just really hit or miss with mostly misses, but I think Pilgrim is one of his few hits.
>>20952173
It's not Xianxia.

>>20950758
I read them back when they came out and iirc they were alright scifi, just keep in mind that the trilogy is working with the most obscure lore in the IP. Basically, nothing recognizably 'Halo' shows up in the plot until near the end, so don't go in expecting John Halo to show up.

so this dump is still here
and still talking about Bakker and Sanderson
bros I have a confession
after I left here a few years back I started reading litrpg and harem fantasy and now I have awful taste

>>20952242
Start reading Conan the Cimmerian, he gets a harem once he becomes King, also there's plenty of waifus.

>>20952423
cringe

>>20950337
Start with Los Tres Estigmas de Don Francisco

>>20952423
I'd rather read Bakker where whores are raped and then cut down en masse.

>>20951819
yes i have a large growing collection of hardcovers. it's nice. i like rereading series i enjoy from time to time.

Fun adventure kino?

>>20952423
I've read a little and intend to more

so is this "unsouled" by will wight the "cradle' that you guys always reference? I think I'll bite the bullet and see what all the hype is about

>>20952540
Can't go wrong with Conan

>>20952529
The Ember Blade series by Chris Wooding. First book came out in 2018, second coming in 2023. Classic adventure fantasy with small town boys going on an epic journey. But it remains fresh and takes some of the morally grey complex characters of grim dark fantasy and infuses them with the classic adventure / epic fantasy. It’s also set in a kingdom living under occupation for 30 years and touches on a strong desire for freedom and rebellion against an occupying force which I enjoy, a fairly nationalistic vibe in a sea of globalist trash. Really tight plotting and pacing, keeps you turning pages non stop.

>>20952699
Thanks for the rec anon. But 2018, how pozzed is it?

>>20952529
Rogues of Merth

Fantasy
>complex themes pertaining to human condition, morality, psychology, politics, nature of duty and heroism

Scifi
>OW MY SCIENCE I LOVE PROGRESS WOWZA IM GOING TO DISCOOOOOVER NEW KNOWLEDGE OHAWWAAAWHHHH

>>20952928
this got me thinking, is there more Star Wars type stuff out there in novel form? sci-fi settings but utilizing a lot of fantasy framing and tropes?

I want to read wish-fulfillment romance stories set in fantasy worlds, aimed at a male audience. I am prepared to read absolute garbage in pursuit of this ideal. Where should I start looking? I can find isolated books but I find it hard to search for stuff like this at scale because almost all romance novels fantasy or otherwise seem to be aimed at chicks.

>>20952935
pre 1960s sci fi which came before the wave of hack "hard sci fi" writers destroyed science fiction

>>20952184
>>20952173
How do you pronounce Xianxia? I'm afraid if I say it out loud, I'll embarrass myself.

>>20952599
Yeah, Unsouled is the first book in the series. I'm not going to promise you that it's high art or anything. It's just light, easy to read, and avoids the majority of cringe that other similar novels have.

Hopepunk

>>20952975
Exactly how it looks.

>>20953301
Name one notable example not hamfisted into the genre by tumbrlists through a definition so ambiguous it might as well not exist.

>>20952529
Dwarves by Markus Heitz

>>20952504
>*Tips fedora*

Red Rising after the first book is everything I wanted scifis to be.

>>20951197

I am not sure about reading Theft of Swords now after reading Legends of the First Empire.
That shit was so stupid.

>>20953730
I hated the first book

>The macrosphere’s four-dimensional standard fibre yielded a much smaller set of fundamental particles than the ordinary universe’s six-dimensional one. In place of six flavours of quarks and six flavours of leptons there was just one of each, plus their antiparticles. There were gluons, gravitons and photons, but no W or Z bosons, since they mediated the process of quarks changing flavour. Three quarks or three antiquarks together formed a charged ‘nucleon’ or ‘anti-nucleon’, similar to an ordinary proton or antiproton, and the sole lepton and its antiparticle were much like an electron and positron, but there was no combination of quarks analogous to a neutron.
Can someone please explain what the fuck this means

>>20953818
Reminder that "hard" science fiction is just the same as regular science fiction but with the fun sucked out and replaced by pages of bullshit like this.

>>20948385
Finished The Hobbit yesterday and Gandalf was more crankier than I remember. I loled when he admonished Bilbo when he confused Beorn for skin-trader like JESUS CHRIST NO JUST NO MISTER BAGGINS SHUT YOUR MOUTH kek

/tv/: kino
/v/: ludo
/lit/:

>>20948536
Read the books instead of watching the tiktoks zoomer, only retards think Bombadil is a self insert. Sam gets married and has many kids, couldn't really be a confirmed bachelor. Check Letter 144 for a reference that explains Tolkien's reasoning behind Bombadil

>>20951500
Sounds like it's worth reading, happy ending or gruesome death?

>>20953871
sublime

>>20953890
He was probably referencing Beren and Luthien, who are 100% self-inserts of Tolkien and his wife.

>>20953946
For mist or the series?
Mist gets a happy ending
The series also has a happy ending

Honestly I love the series. Very similar tone/atmosphere to the black company, but written in a more modern fantasy style with multiple PoVs

>>20948385
FUCK he is good

>>20954018
Which books
Only thing iv read from him is the simp foreword he wrote for gormengoober

>>20954025
Embassytown is his best, but that's probably a minority opinion. City and the City is a weird noir, Perdido Street Station is his big one but it highlights a lot of his bad habits so your mileage may vary.

>>20954017
I fucking loved the black company so I'll give this a spin

>>20948852
Admire your resilience. Myself wouldn't have made past quarter of first book.

They cut out the bits about how he thought he should have married leto right?
So much stuff cut
Feels like it was made for the fans of the books, non reader audiences are left with so little

>>20952928
read philip k dick

>>20952764
Not pozzed at all somehow. He sneaks by without any black, gay or badly written women. The women in it are well rounded with flaws and none of them are warriors.

Having a bit of a rough time at the moment. Do you guys have any recommendations for standalone fun adventure books? I’m not ready to get into a new series yet.

>>20954082
The first book was pretty bad, not much happened at all.
But I forced myself through it just because I want some background story before reading Theft of Swords (I heard a lot of good things about it).
I dropped around 2/5 of book 3, it got too much.

Brando Sando, as much as people dislike him, actually knows how to write good female characters that don't rely on men being incompetent.

>>20953772
I feel like Red Rising was a Hunger Games clone just because it was the only way it would get published. Golden Sun is a kino space opera and nothing like Red Rising.

>>20953871
/lit/: kudo

>>20954141
>Brando Sando
>Actually knows how to write good female characters
No.

>>20954107
>actually knows how to write good female characters that don't rely on men being incompetent.
There's literally a scene in Rhythm of War where a man in power behaves like a toddler so the plot can maneuver him into a position where Jasnah can strip him of his titles with no repercussions

>>20954154
>>20954150
well, I haven't got there yet.
maybe he got worse now
but Mistborn and Warbreaker have decent female characters.

>>20952928
>complex themes pertaining to human condition, morality, psychology, politics etc.

I've genuinely only ever found any of these in works of science fiction. Fantasy nine times out of ten is just regurgitated Tolkien clone quest for the mcguffin shit.

You must be insane.

I'm the anon who asked about Sanderson last week. I see you guys are arguing about him kek.

I finished the first Mistborn book a few days ago and I thought it was ok but the more I think about, the more I realize how shit the book was. It really feels like it's written by someone who has zero life experience and only know life trough movies and videogames.
I picked up this book because of the "evil has been reigning for 1000 years" and I thought this was a good idea but the world building fucking sucks. Nondescript big city with slums with nondescript plains around it. At no point a character stops to describe his environment and wonder at the beauty/ugliness of the world. Every new place is introduced with 5 sentences of the most boring description I've ever read and that's it.
The characters are ok I think but I'm too old for them. I can't believe adults are unironically fans of this. I find it weird that their "narrative arcs" are completely removed from the world surrounding them. X character will focus on something specific for 200 pages, it doesn't matter if he kills a bunch of people or witness a massacre, he'll keep focusing on his thing. I think killing a bunch of people changes more a person than having trust issues but that's just me.
The pacing is shit too. You're supposed to have a big heist with one year of build-up but things keep derailing it. Stuff happens out of nowhere..."we need to prepare to take down the bad guy" but then they just decide to attack him out of nowhere. It's just a character saying "let's attack the bad guy tonight" and the other saying "ok why not".
The action is shit too, the "magic system" is just superhero superpower, the fights have no weight, they just beat up people in "funny" ways.

The reading experience wasn't too bad but it's quite mind-nubbing. The quotes at the start of every chapter are the best part of the book.

>>20954025
>>20954031
this. Id also recommend Kraken but it falls apart a bit late in the book. overall Mieville is really creative and fun at worldbuilding but not always the best at actual plots. and his prose can be annoying although it really is damn good for fantasy when its not too snarky

>>20954175
I feel like the shitty environment was constantly hammered into us. Grimy, ash everywhere, everything's coated in it, blasted landscapes with poor food, red and windy weather.

Mistborn 1 was my least favorite because of how kelsier and Vin were in it though. I didn't care for a teenage girls hero journey. I liked 2 and 3 way more once she was already competent.
In your pic, who are the men's down the bottom supposed to be. Skaa?

>>20954175
>The quotes at the start of every chapter are the best part of the book.
I think the worst part of Final Empire was the reveal that the villain wasn't the dude whose journal entries we had been reading but some other random fuck we have zero reason to care about.
>>20954242
With those eye tattoos they are obviously Obligators. Its a pretty terrible cover imo.

>>20954265
I liked that twist
the villain turned out not to be a corrupted hero, but his companion that betrayed him instead

>>20954305
It could have worked if it had been handled differently. The problem I have with it is that it leaves Lord Ruler almost completely bereft of characterization besides being a generic evil lord, which to me is a significant problem since the entire book is about defeating him.

>>20954311
he's anything but generic though, the further in mistborn you read the more you understand that he literally did nothing wrong, he was saving the planet. It would have been impossible for him to do what sazed did because he didn't have access to both gods.

>>20954337
Sure, but I was talking purely in the context of the first book. A book should be able to stand on its own merits.
Also I don't think "I was doing all this evil shit to prevent even further evil shit" is particularly original. There's also the fact that a lot of his cruelty and methods seem unnecessary or downright counter-productive.

>>20954346
he was originally greedy and power hungry but when he took the well he saw what he had to do to save the world, but the evil god corrupted him through the ironeye guys over the thousands of years and he got worse and worse

>>20954161
>>>20954161
>I've genuinely only ever found any of these in works of science fiction

Reccs?

>>20952599
>>20952987
Also, Unsouled is probably one of the weakest books because it's half set-up. The first two books are almost better treated as a single book split into two.

>>20951733
>>20951743
>>20951791
>>20951813
What did the tranny janny delete?

What's your favorite Elric story, /sffg/?

>>20954580
Elric and the Final Solution

>Sanderson announced that the next Stormlight is going to be even longer
Does he think epic fantasy = longer book or some shit

>>20954747
Because book 5 is going to end the first arc retard, he has a lot of plotlines to tie up.

>>20954756
Ah yes, plotlines such as, uhhh, nevermind. There's literally only one plotline, the war

>>20954747
Once an author becomes popular enough, they either tell their editor to fuck off or the editor backs off by themselves since they are scared of messing with the golden goose, leading to popular fantasy authors to write bloated, pointlessly long-winded books with ridiculous amounts filler.
Take any given fantasy author who became more popular as their series progressed and you can see that the page count and amount of filler also ballooned with their popularity.

>>20954763
>So yeah uhh they won the war the end
How nice

I got a first edition hardcover of Fall of Hyperion in a charity shop for less than £1 because of a 3 for 1 deal yesterday. I was planning on starting the series recently so it was a really nice find.

>>20954774
Sounds better than
>Kaladin has depression for the 5th book in a row, despite resolving his issues in the climax of the last one
>Shallan's mind is splintered for the 5th book in a row, despite resolving her issues in the climax of the last book
etc.

>>20954777
But now you have to get the entire series on a first edition hardcover, it's a curse.

>>20954779
Shallan never really resolved her issues she's still scared and needs to tell everyone she killed her herald mom and caused the war

>>20953890
Pause in an attempt to comprehend what you read before sperging. Allah knows you need all the help not to appear a quarter-wit.

>>20951114
>>20951500
Seems like Glenn Cook has a thing for evil women, kinda based

>>20954779
Like on the one hand I get that Kaladin having depression doesn't really "go away", that's not how depression works, but at the same time he can have other arcs besides "Kaladin has to overcome his depressive state to do the right thing".

>>20954804
Was the Lady evil though? She made the best out of a garbage situation IIRC

>>20954580
The sailor of the seas of fate.

>>20954833
She was still an oppressive dictator, even if she wasn’t a sadist about it

>>20954833
Croaker please you're letting your dick do the thinking again

>>20954580
the dreaming city

>>20954580
First one

I caught up with Cradle after being a few books behind, I can't believe my random prediction from book 3 that Jai long will fuck Lindon's sister came through.

>>20954018
>bald
I thinks not

READ CRADLE

>>20955729

Anyone remembers when the review anon posted for the last time? He was supposed to read the first Wandering Inn Volume, but we haven't heard from him since. I'm still waiting desu

>>20949293
Second point is objectively true but sandertards ITT will cope endlessly about it.

>>20952112
>tfw you wanna come deep in some mature pussy

*buzz*

BALLIOL FRAGMENTATION GRENADE!

I've read this
As it sinks deeper and deeper into contemplation, I think I am starting to understand what is wrong with modern literature and movies of modern literature.
As the thoughts mend thought, i think I understand. The language being strange and esoteric means it doesn't bite until you've processed it, similar to what happens when you read Moby Dick.

And I think I understand what Tolkien Estates viewpoint is: >>20950714
If you don't understand what leaving home is, you can never make art that involves growth or exploration, or even adventure.
Something so basic, it hurts to realize people don't understand it as they get paid to make shlock.

>>20955876
It doesn't really strike me as criticism though, more of a arbitrary definition of a term. I don't see how 'fantastical physics' are any better or or worse than 'magic'.

>>20955955
all that for "you don't understand lol"

Is it, "aluminium"?

>>20955962
No. Its simpler than that.
If you don't post the diagram, you could say The Heroes Journey is just about leaving home. As commute and global travel & communication becomes easier and easier, I'd image fewer and fewer leave home mentally despite moving to a different country.
AHWATF is 400 pages explaining what leaving home is, using mythology and esoteric language. Its very simple.

>>20952112
Why do you care what some random person from work reads?

>>20955938
God, i wish.
any fantasy books for that feel?

Did any true gems ever come out of genres like urban fantasy before they were overtaken by angsty teen girls?

>>20956502
Dresden files is no1 in urban fantasy. Definitely not a gem, but earlier books weren't terrible.

>>20954833
She was evil. She was known to rip the souls out of people that didn't please her.

>>20956502
I don't know about gems, but I remember liking Night Watch quite a bit. I had a glance at the Goodreads page to refresh my memory and the first review is some chick unpersoning the author for taking a shit on Ukraine, so that's promising.

>>20956578
what, is the author bydlo? Not sure how can that be considered promising

>>20952137
never saw/read this one, the cover and description looks/sounds good and i like every inspiration he cited so i will give it a try

free shit anyway

>>20956684
>There's not such a country as Ukraine. There's only an obmylok [used-up remnant of a bar of soap] with inflated ego and a bare ass. It's time for this soap remnant to realize its place in the world

>>20955782
Their progress last I saw on GR was 92% complete. Should be finished soon probably. When there will be a post is a different matter. You can check the archive for the last post.

>>20956578
>>20956684
>>20956758
The author literally wrote a series in which there were Dark and Light sides, and the Light side were just normal people who always did the right thing, even if it was for naught. He even wrote like those 'bad' and 'good' people can coexist. To see someone like that writing something so cruel is extremely blackpilling on the world.

The older I get, the more I realize how books lie in their message, or rather carry a message that its author wouldn't actually follow. Like, you can read a book in which the protagonist saves other from abuse and goes deep into its impacts on people, and then you learn the author rapes children in his basement.

It really makes one go full nihilism, you know?

>>20956744
Harmon Cooper is a bad author.

>>20956758
Well that is false and incorrect. Not sure how an author, a supposedly intellectual could come up with something like that. I mean sure he may not like Ukraine but to simply make up a lie when history tells otherwise is just plain ignorant, I hope hes done it for putins pr points and not because he actually believes his own lies.

>>20956783
>>20956858
Should I start likening every US or NATO country author who supported their government at any point a child rapist too what with all the wars and genocide your block has caused or supported? Fucking coddled halfwits, off to /pol/ with your dribbling, politics are too hard for most genre fiction readers to attempt to talk about.

>>20956920
>Should I start likening every US or NATO country author who supported their government at any point a child rapist
At this point, probably.

>>20956920
No, you shouldn't, why even ask such dumb question?

Reading dungeon crawler carl and I'm enjoying it. Floor 4 has been my favorite so far.

What are some other books that feature trains?

>>20957087
Iron Tangle was much more fun than I thought it would be.

>>20957087
Metro 2033 takes place in a subway system. Great book, but maybe not so much due to trains.

I agree about floor 4. Apparently it was even more autistic and elaborate in the RR original that he pared it down and simplified it for general release. Kind of wish Soundbooth would release an author's cut of the the more fucked out version.

>>20954804
Just wait until you get to crazy incest waifu in Garrett.

>>20948597
Bakkerfags seethe and sneed
Sanderchads rule supreme

He turns himself into a sandworm

Is Cradle any good?
I will stop reading the book if there are any descriptions of sex or women's bodies

>>20957087
based

Can I start sci-fi with Philip K. Dick?

>>20957295
He's more of an ideasguy than a good author but go for it

>>20957299
Are there any good ideasguys who are also good authors?

>>20957295
Yeah but it will dilute your experience with other books because PKD is simply the man.

>>20957253
Unfortunately no on the first, but it has lots of descriptions of women's bodies considering spiritual not physial strength is what matters so there's a lot of female fighters and every martial arts path has their own unique body modification.

As a less cynical answer though the closest to anything related to sexuality the books get is extremely slow burn romance between the two main characters, but I think the farthest they got so far was holding hands

>>20957313
I downloaded The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, where do I start?

>>20957345
Just dive in on the short stories. His novels suffer from reading like they were written in a week on speed because they were written in a week on speed.

>>20957345
The collection of all his short stories across five volumes? I'm a biased person to ask because I'm currently (and slowly) rereading that entire thing, in the second volume now. I could even rec at least five novels for a first timer.

>>20957253
Its garbage, there will be plenty of descriptions of female body because author is a coomer.

>>20957317
No they have kissed on the lips . Lindon also sees her topless on accident in Underlord

>>20957402
Oh shit, what a ya trash, glad I dropped it even before bloodlines

>>20957407
It's Bloodline. It's only one bloodline.

>>20957415
whatever

>>20957388
Still off your meds schizo? All Will Wights books are pg-13 in the sexualization department to a fault. I'm shocked he even included romance for the first time.

Why does Bakker like rape so much bros?

bros gaming is taking all the time i should spend reading fuckkkkkkkkkkkk wow classc

>>20957423
>I'm shocked he even included romance for the first time
Why did he do it?

>>20957433
Probably got horny writing Yerin.

>>20957426
hes in touch with his primitive carnality, like a true alpha
he knows women secretly enjoy it if the rapist is chad

Do people talk about vernor vinge books on here very often?

>>20957105
I like how the book even starts with "look this is a confusing thing on purpose, don't be worried if you don't understand it, almost nobody in the book does either".

>>20957433
Elder Empire has some romance as well, though it was very "established romances that aren't a big deal". Honestly kinda seems to be his comfort zone because the Lindon/Yerin pairing just kind of goes from "oh this is happening" to "this is the steadiest couple in the world".

>>20957486
>Lindon/Yerin pairing just kind of goes from "oh this is happening" to "this is the steadiest couple in the world"
Very appropriate for a power fantasy.

>>20957486
I think he just wasn't that comfortable writing it, think he is getting better though since Lindon and Yerin actually feel like a couple while assassin girl whose name I forget and her boyfriend might as well have just been friends/coworkers who never really expressed any feelings, and Calder and his wife get separated early into book 1 iirc and while them being married was relevant to the later plot they never really had husband/wife interactions, even in flashbacks.

Idk what you mean by "oh this is happening" to "this is the steadiest couple in the world" though, it's been happening since book 2 or something at a slow pace, just because there's no love triangle drama or direct references to what base they're on doesn't make it sudden, he's just leaving anything close to explicit out, which he might keep that way in the future or not, I'm fine with either.

>>20957496
Stop commenting on things you obviously haven't read.

>>20957516
>Stop commenting on things you obviously haven't read.
Stop replying to him, it seeks attention.

>>20957516
I have read the first 7 books. Yerrin should have been killed off after meeting Ethan

>>20950790
the fact that Becky Chambers in on here twice signals to me that the Hugo awards shouldn’t be taken seriously anymore. I actually read the first half of journey to a small angry planet. Some of the worst shit I’ve endured in recent memory. The whole book is about a diverse cast learning to get along. But despite their physical diversities they’re all ideologically identical, so there’s no real conflict AT ALL. And before you accuse of me knowing nothing because I didn’t finish the book, I was reading it as part of a discussion group and heard from people who finished that it goes no where and is basically about nothing, and not in a good way. It takes a special kind of women to write real sci fi. Most of the time it just turns into YA romance schlock in spAaAaAce.

>>20956369
Heretics of Dune and Dune: Chapterhouse both have scenes with an adult woman seducing an underage boy that were SUPER necessary for the plot (read: not at all).

>>20957241
Best entry and most interesting character in the series by far. I was surprisingly underwhelmed by most of the other books except for this one.

Does anyone have any recomendations for sci-fi or fantasy with an emphasis on legal redtape? I really like stories where a lot of the struggle is against a system that is just worked around rather than overthrown. The more aggravating and convoluted the paperwork that needs to be done the better. Assuming this is mostly in sci-fi, but if there's some fantasy that fits the bill I'm also interested.

>>20954175
Yeah, it's crap. Did you really expect anything else? Are you completely ignorant of the current state of fantasy lit?

>>20957603
Have you already watched Brazil?

>>20957603
The bots do ask for such stupid request.

>>20957516
I meant it went from "they're friends" to "oh they have feelings for each other" to "and now they're just a steady couple and it's basically a background element of their characters". I know it was always there, but the build-up kind of went from "Lindon keeps accidentally proposing to Yerin" to "now they're just a thing".

>>20949262
>Wheel of Time
Does the series improve beyond the first book at all? I just finished the third and the repetitive nature of it is starting to annoy me. The last two books both read as follows
>The wind was not the beginning but it was a beginning
>All the main characters interact with more names than you could possibly hope to remember
>Perrin has golden eyes and I will remind you of that every chance I get
>All the main characters miraculous end up in the same city
>Rand kills the Dark One again

>>20957737
Check the archive, I’m sure plenty of people went in-depth about it.

>>20957710
I think the emotional buildup was definitely there, in terms of them caring about what happens to the other and keeping up with each other and how they saw each other through their POV over time, the only other kind of build-up between "oh they have feelings for each other" and "and now they're just a steady couple and it's basically a background element of their characters" would be describing the physical but idk if he'll ever write more in that direction.

>>20957710
>I meant it went from "they're friends" to "oh they have feelings for each other" to "and now they're just a steady couple
Yeah, that's how people become couples, anon. Are you telling us you never dated someone you knew.

>>20957750
I'm not gonna bother reading an in-depth review in the archive for a simple yes/no question

>>20957778
Then I don’t know why you even bother asking the question if you’re not interested.

>simple yes/no question
>too difficult to look up
hmm

>>20954747
I've never been more grateful I dropped a series. I enjoyed the first two books, but I'm done with Sandershits.

>>20957788
Kinda sad to see people literally too lazy to bother doing a minute search for their questions, they really want to be spoonfed.

Nothing "difficult"about it
Does the series get better or not? Why would I look through the archives for a review when I can just ask a guy that conveniently finished the series itt?
Do you even understand how many time WoT gets mentioned on this board?

>>20957796
Check the archive, anon, it’s not that difficult.

>>20953865
I recently started a reread of The Hobbit and it's so much better than I remembered. Haven't read it in decades.

>>20957795
Typical newfag behavior. They want to trickle in and act as if they're the first person to ever ask their generic mundane questions when this shit is brought up every fucking thread.

>>20957603
Artifact Space is by the guy who wrote the red knight.
It's not quite YA but not nearly as grim as the red knight. Basically its set in the future where various trade organizations are dominant. The MC is a girl from a family that was one of the leader traders, but they died when she was younger so she became an orphan so she had to cheat her way back onto one of the giant merchant ships. Usually kids from schools need top marks to get a placement. She trained as a pilot so that's what she comes aboard to do. The place she grew up in was pretty dark, rapes and murders etc.
There is one confirmed alien race, it's the main source of profits for the trading companies and only their biggest ships can make the 3 year round trip to do trade with them.
The mystery aspect early on is that one of the giant trade ships, which were thought to outclass everything else that has been encountered in space so far was destroyed, but the how is unknown because of the delay it took the news to reach back to civilization. These ships basically do their long round trip hitting different human settlements and buying up/selling shit along the way.
Anyway, basically it's a space opera aboard a merchant ship with space combat, mysteries, ship dramas and some espionage stuff.

So lots of legal red tape stuff.

I"m about to finish The Curse of Chalion how are the sequels?

>>20957817
Check the archive

>>20957817
Paladin of Souls is even better, easily one of my all time favorite books. The third is also good, but less memorable overall.

>>20951026
Tuon Athaem Kore Paendrag is the second and favorite daughter of the Empress of the Seanchan Empire. I wouldn't call her evil, but she's certainly okay with having slaves. I'm not really a fan of WoT, but I really enjoy Tuon. One of my fave characters in fantasy.

>>20957829
Is that her casting? I haven't kept up with wheel of time

>>20956512
The first two books are, in fact, pretty terrible. He hits his stride in 3, and I'd say it stays strong until somewhere around 10. I think by Skin Game, though, he'd solidly lost track of what he wanted to do with it all.

>>20957475
A Fire Upon the Deep comes up semi-frequently. World building is the lowest form of story telling, but it's really good world building.

are there any magazines that will send me physical issues each month for a subscription
sci fi or fantasy, but I prefer fantasy

>>20949124
Your local library's website

I started listening to Redwall on audio whilst working and its even better now as an adult than when I read it as a kid

>>20956502
In a Glass Darkly and Dracula

>>20957979
A. Lindgren also gets better with age.
Shame most children's books are sclock.

>>20957938
no

>>20957253
It's competently written dumb fun. It takes its lack of originality and makes up for it by being fast paced and well executed. It treats characterization like the movie Predator does, it paints characters in broad strokes and lets you fill in the blanks. It takes itself seriously enough that it doesn't devolve into irony, while remaining self aware enough to not come off as anal.
It's not art, it's not particularly intelligent, but it's definitely fun.

>>20957938
Analog and Asimov's for sci-fi. Weird Tales is still around, but I'm not sure if they have subscriptions.

>>20958054
So just regular fantasy.

>>20958077
Not that guy but I wouldn't call most of the shit I read "competently written".

>>20958054
Out of curiosity what other fantasy series do you consider competently written, I do like that about the writer a lot, specifically his pacing.

Started a reread of Malazan, since I read up to 5 last time and don't recall enough to just jump into Bonehunters. I forgot how good it was. I think I'll keep rereading these instead of diving into Bakker or the Sharakhai series

>>20958107
>Not that guy but I wouldn't call most of the shit I read "competently written".
Then you don't read fantasy.

>>20958107
>Out of curiosity what other fantasy series do you consider competently written
Well that's a pretty broad question. I like a lot of stuff written by Michael Chrichton and Bujold in particular, Chalion is one of my favorite series, but I wouldn't put Will Wight on their level. When I say competently written in his case, I specifically mean that the entire plot flows onwards from a single event (the disappearance of Ozriel) in a logical fashion. The only real coincidence is that this event happens to coincide with the festival happening at Lindon's home.
Even very minor things, like Eithan being present in the area that book 2 takes place in, has obvious and logical reasoning behind it, even if it isn't spelled out explicitly in the text itself.

>>20948766
awww, it's a fun read with pretty colorful characters and a lot of imagination. what more are you really asking for from your SF?

>Knife of Dreams
>Rolan
This is fucked up. The entire scene was so wrong at many levels. At this point I believe WoT has more rape and sad deaths than ASoIaF. You just don't notice how grim everything is because of "innocent" writing.

>>20957579
I stopped reading after God-Emperor since I felt that was a good jump-off point, but I might go ahead and read the last two now.

>>20957818
Imagine seething because you were too lazy

>>20958152
Oh I read some of Vorkosigan, it was really good, I can't remember why I haven't read Chalion yet, I remember it being mentioned relatively often, should really get to reading it. Haven't checked out Chrichton, did he write anything close to traditional sf/f?

>>20958196
Chrichton focused most on near-future SF and Thrillers. What I like about his writing is that he was always willing to get technical, but he never buried the concepts in impenetrable walls of text. A cliche of his was that he'd open a book with someone giving a lecture on whatever topic the book is themed around, so that just by reading the first few pages, you've been told everything you need to know to understand the plot, even if it's something you've never dealt with before.

Read Chalion, it's fantastic (better than Vorkosigan imo).

>>20957929
i felt betrayed upon finishing that book. all that buildup and in the end we stay with the dogpack and never find out what's going on with those AI or why the galaxy is why it is or really anything more.

I really dislike when an author pours so much effort into creating such an interesting setting and then proceeds to hyper-focus on a very banal part of that setting. see GRRM and the Others for additional examples.

it's not that Vinge is a bad author, but i'd much rather read a stand-alone book about the dogpacks without having it shoehorned into whatever the AI spacerace/apocalypse thing is

>>20958195
Typical newfag behavior

>>20957848
I don't believe the cast her yet. As the show is still early in the story, and Tuon shows up somewhere in the latter half of the book series.

The show will probably by canceled after season 3. 2 was already being filmed before Season 1 even aired. And they're going to begin filming season 3 because 2 airs. But I think that after season 2 sees its inevitable drop in ratings, they won't renew it for a 4th season. They'll just push out season 3 to recoup their costs.

Anyway, I do wonder who they would get to play Tuon. As even Robert Jordan's dream casting for her was Halle Berry. So the show will probably make her black for certain. The question is, will they actually find someone as pretty as Halle Berry, or find some troll to fill the position.

>>20958240
>The question is, will they actually find someone as pretty as Halle Berry, or find some troll to fill the position.
They'll make her blonde and white.

>>20958244
If they do stray from making her black. Then they will make her asian, since she knows kung fu. And they won't see anything odd about that.

Any good audiobooks?
Finished:
>asoiaf
>the black company
>the first law

Anything similar? Grimdark, so to say.

>>20958227
>As the show is still early in the story
The plot and lore are already changed a lot. I honestly have no idea why are they like this. If anything, changing lore and plot makes everything harder to adapt and write. Adding additional action scenes out of nowhere to attract some audience? While in the same time removing giant battle in the end of first book to attract "mature GoT audience"? The fuck?

>>20958253
No

>>20958253
You could just continue reading the first law material. The standalone books are better than the first trilogy. But I get if you need a break from that. Try Dune. The first book is done with a full cast of characters and music production. The music is very eerie. Some people have reverb on their voices so it sounds all ethereal. It makes the book sound very dark and sinister.
I wouldn't called Dune "Grimdark", but it has some fucked up ideas. And the production really sells the dark mood.
The subsequent books try to keep up the whole voice cast thing, but they slowly lose voices with each book. 2, has less than 1, 3 has less than 2 and so on. I don't know why that is. They must have realized how expensive it was to pay all the actors. I bet they had higher hopes for audiobook sales, and then reality forced them to make cuts.

Hyperion is another one with a multi voice cast. And another one that isn't really grimdark, but has fucked up ideas and an eerie mysterious mood.

The Broken Earth only has one voice. But the book is what I would call grimdark. The world is bleak, living is brutal, everyone's damaged, and the main character is depressed as shit. The narrator has a cold matter of fact tone that adds to the bleakness.

I could name others that have above average narration. But they stray further away from the grim.

>>20958300
That's a shame.

>>20958319
Thanks for the reply.

>Dune
I've already read the novel, but now I wish I'd just listened to the thing.

>Hyperion
I've been meaning to start this for ages. However, I'm in the mood for some fantasy now.

>The Broken Earth
I'll with this one. Sounds exactly what I'm looking for.
Thanks!

I don't get the criticism to Wolfe's female characters. He wrote Jolenta, arguably the best waifu of all times. She's pure sex.

>>20958330
Cool. Great.
I feel like I oversold the voice for the Broken Earth a little bit. She's fitting for the book, but I would probably not like her in most other things.
If you think of voice talent as a spectrum. On one side, you have the clear monotone speech you might hear from a healthcare commercial, or a pre-recorded phone operator. And then on the other side, you have the dynamic and flamboyant speech you would hear from a theater actor.
Her voice is closer to the commercial sound than the theatrical sound. But in a weird way, it's fitting to the book, because the lack of emotional range adds to feeling of grayness the whole story has.

>>20958330
Be warned, it has some shoehorned woke stuff in it. It's not too bad, but if that sort of stuff annoys you, you might want to give it a pass. I also agree with the other anon that the voice acting for the audiobook is pretty good. The series also does weaken in quality as it goes on, so if you feel that the first book was only okay, you probably shouldn't bother with the other two.

>>20957829
Only retards hate Tuon. I fully agree with the Seanchan keeping Aes Sedai as slaves. You don't let sentient nukes do whatever the fuck they want.
Hell, Aviendha literally sees a timeline where the Seanchan become a utopia after subjugating the Aes Sedai.

>>20958253
Malazan

Going to be flying for 5+ hours on friday night. Probably going to finish this series after putting it off.

How do you read faster with good comprehension? I average 30 pages/hour and my god does it take me a while to plod thru these fantasy tomes

>>20958756
>How do you read faster with good comprehension?
By reading.

>>20958756
>zoomer want to CONSUME fast as possible
Drink bleach

>>20952529
planet of adventure
cugels saga

>>20957809
>The MC is a girl
Stopped reading there

>>20958823
What if the MC is cute?

>>20958227
Many or maybe all interesting concepts (like the AI, other alien tech) were not explored, most likely because Vinge was just too low iq to come up with interesting ideas in his own. We ended up with shitty alien jungle world, dogs and 19th century radio tech.

>>20958826
He's gay, so he doesn't care.

>>20958855
That would apply for a porn "novel", in a normal novel I do not want to read about characters sexuality or how good/bad looking they, women even in non porn tend to base their lives around their looks and sex.

>>20958855
That would explain it.

>>20958823
>>20958826
She's actually autistic and falls for an autistic handsome nerd
She doesn't know how to have friends properly but she tries
About 2/3 of the way through the book a character responds to something the mc said in her head in italics, then we realize that she has been speaking those things out loud a lot of the time. She didn't realize.

>>20958911
What would I want to read about people with special needs? Surely there are sf and fantasy out there that have well adjusted characters.

>>20958931
>What would I want to read about people with special needs?
because you're on 4chan and they're literally you.

>>20958941
No, I have no autism and have no interest in reading about it

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>>20958961
Nobody cares about what you post outside of /sffg/. I also think no one even cares what you post here to begin with.

>>20958973
stop being mean already
you can help or you may be interested in an album

>>20958980
He’s right by the way.

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>>20958996

>>20958973
>>20958990
Based bullies

New thread
>>20959095

>>20957848
No, they'll hire some ugly fat woman and when the fans complain they'll call them racists.

>>20958227
>or why the galaxy is why it is
either something in the past decided that new life needs a chance to grow
or something in the center is protecting itself