/lit/ - Literature

>>20899856
I am a right winger and I enjoy the decline. It reminds of old times. More weak faggots for prey on and rape. Reminds me of old times.

>>20899856
Thankfully I teach at a private catholic high school in the south where faggotry like this is not permitted

>>20899856
I can't even begin to imagine how these people will perform in a grueling war like the one in Ukraine. America hasn't fought a real war in 80 years

It is not polite to make fun of mental illness. OP and anons ought to self reflect.

>>20899888
I am not making fun of them I am simply asking. It's just footage from a public school. Also being a feminine boy is not a mental illness.

>>20899856
Kids go through weird phases, 20 years ago it was scene/emo. Now it's LGBT/Femboys or le redpilled lifters. Normally they turn normie at about 25.

>>20899880
Some femboy piloting a drone from California is far deadlier a soldier than some Russian gigachad

>>20899870
Yeah, catholics are well known for not fucking with kids.

>>20899904
The kids don’t look like sissy faggots like in public school

>>20899910
They do in bed.

>>20899901
The problem is that this is sanctioned by the state. It's more than just a 'phase'. It's astroturfing by the ruling class.

>>20899856
How is this /lit/-related?

>>20899902
That's what I mean, the US hasn't fought a real war in decades for this reason. A confrontation with a country like China which exceeds the US in military technology will be a true test of American strength and spirit.

>>20899932
It's not. It's politics and I made an off topic thread. I apologize. But I think this is a very big social issue that shoukd be addressed.

>>20899935
A war with China will end in 3 hours, and the world will have 2 new nuclear wastelands. I'm not too worried about it, I will not be around to see the aftermath of such a war.

>>20899902
>Some femboy piloting a drone from California is far deadlier a soldier than some Russian gigachad
You don't win wars with air strikes buddy.

>>20899856
>got a chubby
It's over

>>20899856
there are already multiple threads about books that discuss the decadence of modernity and decline of the west fuck off with this shit

>>20899991
Which ones?
And this isn't really decadence. My webm has always occured. Feminization of boys is just an expression of the will to power of the modern ruling class.

I want to mentor that little catboy femboy.

>>20899870

>>20899901
There’s no ‘coming back’ from the lgbt phase though. Once you’ve lost your honour it’s gone. That’s why many of these fags just dig deeper and become full blown child molester sodomites and eventually join the 41%, because deep down they know the option of being a normal man isn’t there anymore.

>>20900111
>child molester sodomites
That's being a normal man.

>>20899917
speaking from experience?

>>20899931

I don't think there has ever been an unbiased book on homosexuality ever written. Everyone who has ever written about this is a dogmatic of some sort; either they are radically pro-gay only seeking to rationalize that there is absolutely zero wrong with it and that it's retarded to think differently from them, or they are radically anti-gay only seeking some rationalization on why it's absolutely 100% bad and anyone who thinks otherwise is also a retard. As the man with the mustache would say: "they are all advocates who do not want to be regarded as such".

It's sad actually that no one can give an actual answer to OP's question because it's genuinely a subject that should be looked upon from a rational unbiased perception not based on any preconcepted beliefs.

>>20899870
This only true of schools run by religious orders that aren't Franciscans, Redemptorists or Jesuits.

>>20900182
Some people are sexually dominant and others are sexually submissive. There is no such thing as 'homosexuality' in the objective sense. There are 'givers' and 'takers', 'masculine' and 'feminine' in sexual conquest.

The romans knew this 2000 years ago.

>>20899856
toronto protocols

>>20900199
This seems certainly very not true given that most heterosexual men—even those who don't necessarily have any sort of hatred or repulsion towards homosexual people themselves—feel severely off-put by the very idea of ever engaging in sexual behavior with someone of the same sex.

The most acceptable hypothesis for me is that it is a, let's call it, "different" sexual taste wired somehow in the brain the same way people develop (or are born into?—) an attraction for feet, for example. And as is of nature for attractions of this nature, people who don't have it will not understand it.

>>20900199
goes way deeper then that, it's too dangerous a thing for writers to try and tackle right now. 21st century is far different in every single way then anything we've seen before.

>>20899949
Take it to /pol/.

>>20900245
Not OP but /pol/ is biased tho. The problem is that places like reddit and the like will also be heavily biased too. This is one of those kind of subjects where it's very difficult to have an actual discussion. At least /lit/ is a place where people at the very least pretend to value intellectuality so it's the best we have.

>>20899856
The War Against Boys.
If you outlaw masculinity don't be surprised when your sons turn into wusses. Poor bastards, they never stood a chance, they were never allowed to be boys

>>20900274
Eyup

>>20900282
Do you know where this's from?

>>20900296
C. S. Lewis

>>20899856
Civil rights law -> formation of HR departments to stay in the law's good graces -> "DEI" industry develops in academia to meet demand -> behavior like this becomes incentivized

>>20899856
man those boyish looking girls need some good fucking.

>>20900296
The abolition of man, in the "men without chests" section

>>20900296
Izquotes dot con

>>20900010
this image is an insult to Sporus. Reminder he hated that life, was tortured daily by Nero, and he killed himself because Nero was organizing a snuff torture to death ritual

>>20899958
Don’t you?

>>20900374
>snuff torture to death ritual
Hot
How old was he?

>>20899868
>Reminds me of old times
You weren't alive 2000 years ago you moronic fucking faggot. When the collapse of Western society rolls around I'll make sure to rape you first.

>>20899870
>Thankfully my tiny corner of the world is not yet pozzed

>>20899856
This boy with plushie ears actually looks cute ngl.

>>20900422
It's more statistically likely I rape your kids than for western society to 'collapse'
>you weren't alive 2000 years ago
I am god and yes i was

>>20900424
Yes, and it feels great, bugman

>>20900124
Unironically ywnbaw

>>20900668
I know I am a child molestor sodomite. I am not a woman. I rape women. And children too, for that matter. Weakness is my turn on.

>>20900229
Yes, a century devoid of eroticism, a century of delusion, social extremism, and repressed freedoms (but not sexual of course).

>>20900221
>feel severely off-put by the very idea of ever engaging in sexual behavior with someone of the same sex.
Not if the man looks like pic related.

>>20900674
No you are a little dysgenic keyboard warrior troon, let’s not pretend. If you stuttered those words in my direction in public I’d curbstomp you. Anyway, I’d rather not paint this thread with ack-posts.

>>20900714
Believe it or not, most normie males wouldn’t have sex with that.

>>20899901
I'm 40 and have been right wing since I was 12. Im actually more extreme than I was then

>>20900721
I'm not a troon you stupid fucking nigger. Try fucking curbstomping me. I'll have a bullet in you before you can raise a single fucking finger. You're the keyboard warrior going off on how you will 'fight me'. There's a computer screen and seven proxies between us. Pedos are in power. They run hollywood, they run all states, and they fill goy cattle like yourself with delusions so they can fuck children in peace.

>>20900714
"I would a trap if it looks like a girl" is something that comes almost exclusively from recluse internet addicts. Show this picture to a random (heterosexual) man on the street and ask; and then only after the answer do tell him that this is a male. He'll back off on his answer immediately in 99% of the cases.

>>20900728
I was a leftist bouncing between Marxist and anarchist views when I was younger, until I realized you're allowed to just call a spade a spade. You don't have to constantly enable shitty behavior from weirdos, freaks, and neurotics forever. You're allowed to have standards for society and to prefer being around others who have standards too. Only later did I find out this is apparently called being right wing.

>>20900726
How can we prove it though? It's just your word against mine here. Men fuck just about anything, and there are women far more ugly and manish looking than my pic related that are able to get laid by normalfag men. My pic would probably entice them even more. But that's just my opinion I guess.
>>20900734
>He'll back off on his answer immediately in 99% of the cases.
And? This doesn't mean anything. Show a pic of a girl and ask her if he'd fuck her. Then tell the man she's underage. Again he'll immediately back off. Just because someone says something doesn't mean they mean it.

Men fuck ugly girls. I don't doubt they would fuck pretty boys if they can get away with the social repercussions.

There are no social repercussions on 4chan, so people can be more honest here.

>>20900734
>recluse internet addicts
Most 4chan posters are average people with livlihoods and jobs. People come on here for the frankness and honesty. Not because they are social outcasts. Everyone who knows what the internet is lnows what 4chan is. It's a no bullshit place. That's all.

There are weirdos on here fo' sho'. But there are weirdos on fucking Twitter too. A lot actually. The difference is what you're allowed to say and not say.

>>20900730
Ah so you’re the powerful hollywood elite pedo cabal I’ve been hearing all about, didn’t think you spent your time debating goy cattle such as myself on 4channel /literature/. Anyway my dad (who works at nintendo) said I’m not allowed to speak to bad guys like you, good night.

>>20900734
It doesn't really make sense. What's special about women comes from a lot more than just their external "look." There's a magic of femininity that manifests both at the surface and at the core of what they are as women and mothers, and it flows throughout them and has a million aspects. Finding out that a superficially externally attractive woman is a man isn't some technicality, it's like finding out the pizza you were about to bite into was just made of unhealthy plastic tasting candy that can be molded into different shapes. Only a very strange person would say food = calories = pizza = shitty plastic sugar = eat it anyway. Everybody else would be disappointed, because eating pizza is a whole experience, it's more than just food, it's not even just cheese + bread + meat + sauce + heat. It's a total thing that is more than the sum of its parts.

The only people who find trannies attractive are into some other aspect of it like degrading a feminine man, and justifying it to themselves after the fact by saying isn't it crazy that he looks at first blush so much like a certain kind of mentally ill woman at an anime convention or something?

It's also something that can only be done whose primary mode of looking at women is static images that have been edited and filtered. Any healthy man doesn't see a static image when he sees an image of a beautiful woman, his mind fills in the details with all those intangible aspects of what a woman really is and he can imagine her moving and the way she feels. Knowing something is a man instantly makes my mind aware that it's bony, rigid, sticklike, unsexual, it has nothing to do with a woman.

This is ultimately why it's so cruel to perpetuate the tranny meme. There are people so eluded that they don't know this and they think straight men are going to eventually fetishize them. It goes beyond anything that can be socially engineered. You would have better luck and more of a chance at turning an entire society's men bisexual and openly into fucking other masculine men than making straight men see trannies as women with an asterisk.

>>20900763
You're a fucking newfag tourist who has no understanding of the culture of this website. Go on twitter if you want to throw a hissy fit. Faggot.

>>20900766
>There's a magic of femininity that manifests both at the surface and at the core of what they are as women
Holy shit lmao go talk to women

>>20900761
Most normalfags don't come on the internet for frankness. Only certain types do, usually ones with high openness.

>>20900766
No one said straight men would see trannies as women. I said straight men would stick their cocks into well passing trannies because they stick their cocks into far uglier beings.

>>20900784
Where did he say anything wrong? That line you quoted is absolutely correct, anyone who has talked to a woman they felt attracted to (especially during youth) before can relate to this. Non-judgemental question: are you gay?

>>20900777
holy based newfags cant triforce epic gets thread saved you done a winrar

>>20900749
>>20900790
It's the dick, dude. It's not a matter of being ugly or beautiful. It's the dick. It's the idea of having sex with another male that is the big nope. Having sex with something that possesses a cock is an instant, extreme turnoff for practically all heterosexual men. The level of femininity is irrelevant, beauty or ugliness is irrelevant, but the penis between the legs is definitely not irrelevant. This is common knowledge to any person who's had social interactions with males outside of the internet before (no offense).

>>20900791
Women are not magical idyllic beings who spread love and joy everywhere they go. They are biological machines who piss and shit and fart like the rest of us. They are predators and killers, who entice you for their egoism and feign weaknesses to gain advantage over you.

To say otherwise shows a lack of understanding of history, biology, and women as social beings. I live in reality. Not in la la land.

>>20899856
Read Ellul.

>>20900822
Your post shows a great deal of intellectual immaturity. The post is talking exclusively about feelings and the brain chemistry that occurs from interacting with an attractive woman. What one might rationally believe about said women is an entirely different story.

>>20900818
Men. Fuck. Anything. Just because your bros say 'ewwww penis' doesn't mean anything to me. Sex is primarily psychological. There are some disgusting snatches out there. Yet men do not care.

>>20900833
>Your post shows a great deal of intellectual immaturity.
I do not share your idealism or your feelings. I live in reality. It's your mistake to assume everyone feels the same as you.

>>20900838
>There are some disgusting snatches out there. Yet men do not care
Yes, but they are not men.
I don't see why you fail so hard to understand such a simple concept. Heterosexual men don't want to fuck men.

>>20900838
They swiped because they think it's a female retard. Most men (not even talking about myself here) would rather fuck a 2/10 female than a 5/10 femboy.

>>20900766
>The only people who find trannies attractive are into some other aspect of it like degrading a feminine man, and justifying it to themselves after the fact by saying isn't it crazy that he looks at first blush so much like a certain kind of mentally ill woman at an anime convention or something?

I think a LOT of people who like trannies are really afraid to just admit homosexual urges and they try to rationalize it with semantics. It's fine to have homosexual urges, and all, but just be honest about it.

>>20900845
NTA but you're peak midwit kys

>>20900845
Where do you think all of those lyrics from romantic songs and poems written by thousands upon thousands of men throughout history come from? That sort of feeling is universal among all men who are attracted to the opposite sex, it isn't exclusive to me or that other anon. If you can't relate to this, then you are either trying to deny it too hard in order to put out some "tough" persona (typical sign of immaturity) or you are simply not attracted to women.

>>20900846
>Heterosexual men don't want to fuck men.
This is your circular reasoning. I reject both heterosexuality and bisexuality. Men's biological purpose is fighting for the right to impregnate females. The pscyhological fulfillment of this function will still be achieved by fucking 'feminine men'.
>>20900852
There is an ugliness to some women that you would not even able to get your dick hard. You are completely and utterly full of shit and deleuded. Go have sex with burn victims if that's your thing.
>>20900858
>Omg women are sooo magicalll ahhhhh
Fuck off retard.
>>20900876
I don't share your sentimentality. In fact I abhor it's intoxication. Go ahead and call me a faggot, I don't care. Go write your poetry about your lady.
>'tough' persona
Just because i don't share your enchantment doesn't mean I'm 'acting tough'.

There’s a LOT of casual transphobia in our culture, even among politically correct normies.
We must ALL strive to make society transfriendly so hecking cute and valid enbies and femboys feel safe and loved :)

>>20900897
>bitchy insecure fag tries to convince others to be fags so it's normal for him to be one
see >>20900855

>>20900742
I have leftist friends but I don't humor much of its ontology. A lot of its based in physicalism, which I reject. I never spent any (if at all) time on the left. One of the major reasons is because I've been anti feminist my whole life and that's a major "no no"

>>20900897
>There is an ugliness to some women that you would not even able to get your dick hard
Completely misses the point of my post and doesn’t refute it at all, for a facts and logic guy you’re not very good at reasoning.

>>20900897
Ooh, so you were the same dude who's been trying to defend that straight men would fuck men dressed as women all along; of course you wouldn't understand the feeling of heterosexual attraction to a woman. Nevermind my question, it is already answered.

>>20900914
I've never understood why more Marxists don't understand that they're putting off 80% of the population by starting from the a priori assumption that human life is inherently meaningless, there is no transcendent or divine reality, there are no objective moral values or virtues, BUT scientifically materialistically speaking, human beings are inherently social, and therefore we should devote our whole lives to dissolving antisocial production relations between them.

Classical Marxism doesn't even let you have an ethical impulse behind your socialism. It's "scientific" so it's purely based on Marx's materialist scientism and reductive anthropology. He says himself he thinks the French materialists of the days of la Mettrie and d'Holbach had it basically right. That is such an ugly nihilistic way to see the world.

>>20900906
I am not normal and I never claimed to be normal. If you think I am a faggot then so be it, I don't care. That is beside the point. The point is that women are not magical beings. There is no 'mystery' surrounding them. That is the ugly truth.
>>20900921
I never called myself a facts and logic guy. I called myself someone who lives in reality and has no sentimentality in regards to relationships. Can I prove that most 'heterosexuals' would or would not fuck extremely effeminate men? Empirically, no. Or at the very least it would be difficult to prove or disprove. However my intuition says YES. Your 'point' is that the penis alone is a turn off. It's your word against mine.
>>20900927
>Ooh, so you were the same dude who's been trying to defend that straight men would fuck men dressed as women
I said that they have historically and they do presently fuck effeminate women. They only wouldn't for you because a man is a homosexual by definition if he would fuck a man, including an effeminate man whereas I disagree with putting people into the homosexual heterosexual binary from the beginning.

>>20900374
>and he killed himself because Nero was organizing a snuff torture to death ritual

That's not true, Nero was already dead by this time. Vitellius organized the event.

>>20900947
>I said that they have historically and they do presently fuck effeminate women
Effeminate men.

>>20900947
>kinsey
Ahahahahaha

>>20900954
Not an argument.

>>20900947
You may not label it by names like "homosexual, heterosexual", but, by the very most basic possible of all logic, if a man would fuck a man then he is by definition a man who enjoys fucking men. It's not rocket science.

>>20900936
Same anon you're replying to but I've even written essays on my substack about that

>>20900970
The latin 'Pathicus' makes far more sense than homosexual. I've seen rather 'straight' couples between a man and a women that are really anything but 'straight'.

If you eat pussy as far as the romans were concerned you are a faggot.

>>20900947
Your refusal to accept basic archetypes like the effect of women on men, an experience which can be empirically demonstrated to be a universally recurring one, and one that’s central to what it means to be a man, displays a clear dogma that your pic related confirms. It’s glaringly obvious someone like you doesn’t read which makes me wonder what you get out of browsing this board. Since you claim to be above all subjectivity (which is really just denial to accept your own deviant subjectivity), that already rules out the vast majority of poets and writers, at least the good ones.

why do we constantly have to have /pol/ threads all the time? What happened to /lit/?

>>20901014
How is this thread political? We're having a discussion about a societal phenomenon in the field of human sexuality.

>>20899856
>>20899949
the thread became a debate about if it's gay or not to want to fuck that child. and what type of pedo is the right type of pedo.
You fucked up OP. /lit/ is not a place for discussion of topics relating to women, children or fags, and this post managed to unite all 3 of them. you will not get an objective answer here

>>20900987
Where the fuck did I claim to be above subjectivity you stupid fuck! You say I don't read but you are so illiterate that you can't even read the content of my posts!

My post said that heterosexual 'men' as a form would and do fuck men who fulfil the feminine role. I said I have no way to prove my hunch empirically (like I said it would be greatly difficult) and that I only say so because my intuition points to it.
>a clear dogma that your pic related confirms
Only retards seeth at kinsey.

The second point that I made was that women are not 'magical idyllic' beings and to view them as such is an intoxication and a falseness. Your poetry and your love is that of a drunkard caught in a stupor. I do not doubt these feelings exist, just as 'intoxication' does exist, but there are more important things in life than putting other people on a pedestal.

Poetry and literature about 'love' is by far the most banal and pedestrian.

>>20900987
>the good writers and poets weren't deviants
Kek you fucking pleb

>>20901053
>My post said that heterosexual 'men' as a form would and do fuck men who fulfil the feminine role
Which is wrong.
>I said I have no way to prove my hunch empirically (like I said it would be greatly difficult) and that I only say so because my intuition points to it
Well your intuition is wrong. It is based off of nothing more than you projecting your own (and perhaps also the people in your online social circles') desires about wanting to fuck "femboys" onto the rest of all men, your assumption is based on an inherent lack of empirical knowledge about the reality of what humans are like in the real world.

>The second point that I made was that women are not 'magical idyllic' beings and to view them as such is an intoxication and a falseness
Not every man "views them as such [magical idyllic beings]", but the feeling (which one may or may not fight against) is there present in all men (who are attracted to women). But you are not heterosexual yourself, of course you will not understand, so don't try.

>>20900987
>one that’s central to what it means to be a man,
are gay men not men?

>>20901076
>your assumption is based on an inherent lack of empirical knowledge about the reality of what humans are like in the real world.
I can say the same for you.
>But you are not heterosexual yourself, of course you will not understand, so don't try.
I understand you're a drunkard putting pussy on a pedestal.

>>20901084
>are gay men not men?
No they are not and they have also never written poetry and literature ever.

>>20901089
>I can say the same for you
No you cannot, because i am heterosexual, and i have plenty of heterosexual friends, so i would know this very well. You on the other hand are clearly not heterosexual, given the fact that you have been posting trannies the entire thread and saying things like "HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING STRAIGHT MEN WOULD NOT FUCK THIS DUDE". So you clearly cannot have a ton of authority on the matter.

>I understand you're a drunkard putting pussy on a pedestal
Your refusal to understand that it's an irrational feeling that may or may not be willingly controlled by the rationality of the man under the influence of said feelings strongly leads me to the assumption that you are either just pretending to be especially stupid, or a gay 16 year old.

>>20901111
I have nothing to say to you. Nice quads. I hope you end up with a tranny and go into an existential crisis over your sexuality.