/lit/ - Literature

>>20879729
That's not proof. God cannot be unproven.

>>20879742
Nietzsche breaks down the thought of the men that created God and what lead to his creation. He dismantles their being and shows the motive of the crime, Once you get the motive the lie unfolds itself.

But God just flew over my house.
Though it may have been a pigeon.

>>20879769
If you create an elaborate lie, does that make it real?

>>20879729
Define "exists."

>>20879758
>t. has never talked to a priest or a bishop in his entire life
You're so brave!

>>20879884
“As is well known, the priests are the most evil enemies—but why? Because they are the most impotent. It is because of their impotence that in them hatred grows to monstrous and uncanny proportions, to the most spiritual and poisonous kind of hatred. The truly great haters in world history have always been priests; likewise the most ingenious haters: other kinds of spirit hardly come into consideration when compared with the spirit of priestly vengefulness.”

>>20879881
>If you create an elaborate lie, does that make it real?
He exists as a delusion, certainly. But are delusions real? No.

>>20879729
God does exist, it is YOU the one who doesn't exist.

>>20880080
What you can see, hear, feel, smell, and taste, does not exist. Only the delusional, invented by gay philosophers and Jewish liars -- that is what exists!

Do you see your stupidity?

>>20880131

>>20880139
You're betraying yourself and kneeling to the lies of others. How can you not see that?

>>20879729
You can't prove anything related to God, you can only believe or not.

>>20880149
I don't see how. Also the Christian God is not the only conception of God that exists.

>>20880164
You can prove that those who created God were degenerated individuals who had nefarious intentions. Treat it like a court case:

>You find the motive
>You find circumstantial evidence
>In this case you see the consequences through the hundreds of years

The lie is unearthed and you feel sick. Cheated. You know you've been had.

>>20879729
>God doesn't exist because these books I read told me so!
What a brave free-thinker you are. Really above those mindless believers.

>>20880167
Precisely. In Twilight of the Idols Nietzsche addresses Plato and Socrates.

They're all tyrants. The concept of god is a tyrannic concept. Nefarious, enslaving. A culling, a demasculinization.

>>20880180
Religion =/= God

>>20880181
>>God doesn't exist because these books I read told me so!
The evidence.

>>20880190
God is an invention. Plato and the Jews invented it.

>>20879729


"A fertile soil for the origin and persistence of beliefs and ideas about a self, soul, god or any other form of an absolute entity, is misinterpreted meditative experience occurring in devotional rapture or mystical trance. Such experience is generally interpreted by the mystic or theologian as revelation of, or union with, a godhead; or it is taken for a manifestation of man's true and eternal Self. Such interpretations are conceived and accepted all the more readily since such meditative experience so greatly transcends the average level of consciousness that the temptation is very great, indeed, to connect it in some way or other with a deity or some other eternal principle. The overwhelming impact of such meditative experience on the mind will produce a strong feeling of certainty of its reality and superiority; and this strong feeling of assurance will be extended to the theological or speculative interpretation, too. In that way these interpretations will obtain a strong hold on the mind, for they are imagined to correspond with actual, irrefutable experience, while, in fact, they are only superimposed on the latter.

The analytical method of the Abhidhamma gives immunity against such deceptive interpretations. In the Dhammasangani the consciousness of meditative absorption (jhana) is subjected to the same sober analysis as the ordinary states of mind. It is shown that meditative consciousness, too, is a transitory combination of impermanent, conditioned and impersonal mental factors, which differ from their counterparts accompanying ordinary consciousness, only in their greater intensity and purity. They do not, therefore, warrant at all any assumption of a divine manifestation or an eternal Self. It has already been mentioned how the Venerable Sariputta undertook such an analysis of his meditative experience."

>>20880201
>God is an invention. Plato and the Jews invented it.
They wrote about a particular God but that doesn't mean a deity can't exist inside or outside this universe.

>>20880267
>a deity can't exist inside or outside this universe.
Nature? Matter? What do you mean by deity?

>>20879758
>Neetchud posted a hot take on twitter therefore God doesn't real
Atheist-sama........ I kneel.........

>>20880281
A god-like entity that doesn't necessarily correspond exactly with the Christian God (or any other earth's religion's God). We don't even know the entirety of the creatures living in Earth's oceans but we're arrogant enough to claim we understand the universe.

divinity is, and can't be anything better than, an axiom

>>20880317
Sure, that's fine.

>>20880316
Plato's God and the Jewish God are both extremely tyrannical and dangerous. If you believe in them the delusion becomes real and they rule your life.

Don't underestimate the power of placebo.

>>20880344
>Plato's God and the Jewish God are both extremely tyrannical and dangerous.
so? why should God be a milquetoast soiboi?

>>20880358
So you believe in tyrannizing yourself? You're a masochist? That's some slave morality.

>>20880362
I don't think believing in the existence of a supreme creator is equal to masochism.

>>20880164
>You can't prove anything related to God

Another good reason to discard the idea

>>20880407
>I cannot prove it therefore, it doesn't exist

>>20880383
You take pleasure in kneeling to something you can't feel, see, smell, taste, or hear? If you feel love within yourself, that's your own love, your own power -- not God's.

Stop deluding yourself, it is indeed masochism. You can enjoy spiritual experiences as something unexplained, you don't have to assign them to an invented a God.

>>20879729
If God were invented then the invention of God would necessitate its existence.

>>20880426
Lies don't exist?

>>20880418
>You take pleasure in kneeling to something you can't feel, see, smell, taste, or hear?
So you're slave to your senses, then? You are limited by these?
>Stop deluding yourself, it is indeed masochism.
I don't see how. Masochism is feeling pleasure from pain. This is not that at all.
>You can enjoy spiritual experiences as something unexplained, you don't have to assign them to an invented a God.
Why not? Why can't a spiritual experience be related to God? Seems like you want people to deny God as much as possible.

>>20880428
Lies definitely exist; so does the internet in case you forgot.

>>20880435
>So you're slave to your senses, then?
I am my senses.

>>20880463
>I am my senses.
wew lad

>>20880464
And my will.

>>20880464
And my intelligence but that's connected to the senses. Attempting to intellectualize without sensing is the origin of delusion.

>>20880435
>Why not? Why can't a spiritual experience be related to God? Seems like you want people to deny God as much as possible.
I see it now, you're a broken man and use God as a last resort.

>>20880435
>I don't see how. Masochism is feeling pleasure from pain. This is not that at all.
What caused you to break?

>>20880515
I don't see why that would be the case. But people are slaves to the government and other powers so jerking off about le master vs slave morality is nonsense in the modern word. It's essentially a power fantasy.

>>20880518
What do you mean? How is believing in God anything close to pain?

>>20879758
You are correct, but theists will never understand why, because they don't read Nietzsche in sincerity, if they read him at all.

>>20880522
We have a free society, at least physically, the slavery's in your mind.

>>20880530
It is pain, Christianity promises and gives you nothing. It's degeneration, it clips your nuts.

>>20880546
>We have a free society
HAHAHAHA oh boy, this has to be bait.

>>20880553
I don't know if once your nuts are clipped off you can get them back. Maybe you're too far gone.

>>20880546
>It is pain, Christianity promises and gives you nothing. It's degeneration, it clips your nuts.
It is the opposite of degeneration. It prevents and punishes degeneration. As the West becomes more atheist it also becomes more degenerate. This is only natural and will only get worse.

>>20880546
Christianity gives me plenty of people meaning and purpose to their lives. What are they losing, exactly? The ability to get fucked in the ass? The ability to cut their dick off and get fucked in the ass afterwards? I'm not a Christian but I can't see how you can offer anything at all.

>>20880563
>Christianity gives me
Ignore the 'me' there. Was thinking of identifying with it rhetorically but changed my mind and forgot to change this. Like I said I am not Christian.

>>20880558
We don't live in a free society. Every portion of this world is controlled by someone or someones. You have to play their game one way or the other.

>>20880530
I ask again, can you remember what caused you to break? When did your faith get stronger? After what incident?

Whether you believe in God, Nietzsche blaspheming God and then getting stricken down into madness and schizophrenically begging for the Pope's approval as his last act before becoming a full-on vegetable is honestly a mythologically foreboding image of God's power. It's like something out of the Old Testament.

>>20880576
ikr

>>20880576
His father died of the same brain disease. They had a genetic problem in the family.

The nice thing about Nietzsche, OP, is that he doesn't bog himself down in pointless dialectics about the existence of god. He recognizes debates like these are ultimately useless.

Nietzsche says somewhere that his ideal is for 'looking away' to be his only negation. The best way to own Christians is to forget they exist, and let them continue to go extinct.

>>20880576
Christians think the world is a Dostoevsky novel, it's so fucking cringe

>>20879729
>The proof is there that "God" was invented.
Not really. On the other hand, there is tangible evidence that mankind is, in its entirety, the product of generation. In other words, "nature" invented God, or God implanted himself in our minds as we were generated from the earth.

>>20880560
The West is extremely Christian you idiot. Everything is Christian meekness and acceptance.

>>20880581
Not just his father, his brother too. They both died of the same brain issue, and Nietzsche from age 7 suffered from chronic headaches.

He literally lived his entire life with the sword of Damocles over his head, knowing any day he could be killed by the same disease that took half his family.

Your average Christian never knows a tenth of the suffering Nietzsche went through.

>>20880589
Atheist society is degenerate. Atheists think being a disgusting freak is okay.

>>20880600
That has nothing to do with the entire Christian worldview being a fantasy novel. In fact it's just another facet of it.

>>20880595
>Your average Christian never knows a tenth of the suffering Nietzsche went through.
Why do you think suffering has any value if there is no God? Those in Hell will suffer for eternity and it will not redeem them.

>>20880600
That's all Christian. Jesus would stand there with them.

>>20880607
>Why do you think suffering has any value if there is no God?

>>20880596
>The West is extremely Christian you idiot.
The West is not Christian anymore and hasn't been for many decades.
> Everything is Christian meekness and acceptance.
Yes, the Templars were very meek. The Christians who participated in WW1 and WW2 are very acceptant also. Imagine thinking that.

>>20880607
You talk like an anime character lmao

>>20880615
Those are liberal values. It is devoid of any traditional values. Being a conservative has more correlation with being a Christian. Being a liberal freak has more correlation with being an atheist. Just how things are, no need to cope anymore.

>>20880618
>Human elevations
There really isn't any such thing. Producing art, for example, is just something that the human species does. Like a badger builds a dam or an ant a colony. A piece of art only means something to a human, and humans are just another species of animal, no more special than a rat or cockroach.

>>20880620
You ain't seen nothing yet, you should read Nietzsche if you want true melodramatic, bombastic edginess.

>>20880631
Human elevations happen rarely, and they don't change the species. Nietzsche wrote about this, specifically when he criticized Carlyle.

>>20880633
And it doesn't mean anything and never will. Some primate meatbag on a rock somewhere did something and then it turned to dust.

>>20880631
>A piece of art only means something to a human, and humans are just another species of animal, no more special than a rat or cockroach.
So if I rape and slaughter all the women in your family you will feel the same as if I had stepped on a cockroach?

>>20880637
>t. mediocre midwit

>>20880619
>>20880630
Christianity is liberal, Jesus was an anarchist and revolutionary. 70% of the US is Christian

>>20880637
I think it's time to commit suicide.

>>20880639
I may not like it, but I don't know why you should care about my feelings. Is that what this is based off of, your feelings? Lol.
>>20880643
>>20880646
Let me guess, just find meaning in it yourself! You can do that, but you're just making shit up. Might as well be a Christian at that point if you're willing to believe made-up shit that isn't true. You aren't any better, just a different species of the same thing. You can't confront reality so you hide in a fairy tale, just one you think is more sophisticated.

>>20880644
Christianity forgives but it is essentially monarchic. The US is Christian in name only. The support of sexual freaks is not compatible with Christianity.

>>20880630
Atheists form a very small minority. You need to have an IQ of at least 120 to be an atheist.

>>20880651
>You can do that, but you're just making shit up.
Meaninglessness is also "shit made up." That's Nietzsche's point: all meaning, which includes meaninglessness, is a projection. It all depends on your perspective, and whether or not your will is strong (in favor of the earth) or not (in favor of not-earth).

>>20880654
Jesus would support them. Jesus is the freak of all freaks.

>>20880660
*Was

>>20880658
Then there's no difference between you and Christianity, as I said. If anything their will is stronger than yours because they can believe in a much stronger meaning.

>>20880651
>I may not like it, but I don't know why you should care about my feelings. I
Because you said that humanity and cockroaches were worth the same. I simply wanted to know if you put your money were your mouth is. Seems like you're an edgy faggot and that's it.
>Is that what this is based off of, your feelings? Lol.
Only niggers use "base off of" but I will let that slip. Aren't you the retard who said the retarded thing "I am my senses"? kek

>>20880669
Christians and atheists (real atheists, not neo-Christian liberal "atheists") are genetically, physiologically, and psychologically at odds with one another.

>>20880670
>I simply wanted to know if you put your money were your mouth is.
My personal feelings do not change anything, so I'm not sure what kind of point you could possibly make this way.
>Only niggers use "base off of" but I will let that slip.
I have to go to work so I will also let this slip.
>>20880675
Doesn't seem that way to me. You don't seem any different at all.

>>20880660
>Jesus would support them.
He would forgive their sins and then try to put them in the right path. The US lacks this process.
>Jesus is the freak of all freaks.
Jesus is close to being übermensch according to Nietzsche.

>>20880678
>You don't seem any different at all.
That's because you're braindead.

>>20880675
>neo-Christian liberal "atheists"
That's the bulk. Every bleeding heart liberal is a hyper-Christian or Jew.

>>20880678
>My personal feelings do not change anything, so I'm not sure what kind of point you could possibly make this way.
Because your worldview is all over the place. It's I inconsistent.

>>20880683
>Jesus is close to being übermensch according to Nietzsche.
Liar!

>>20880688
Genuine atheists are and will always be a minority because it requires an extreme amount of discipline and strength of will to live as though sky daddy or mommy doesn't real.

>>20880683
You're in denial. Every degeneration is Christian in origin. In medieval times the church controlled the population with obscurantism, not with Jesus' teachings. Today's Christians are all followers of Jesus. It's a different Christianity.

The degeneracy you see today is true Christianity, hyper-Christianity.

>>20880701
>lack of Christianity is Christianity
kek all the liberal ideas come from the Enlightenment, the most anti-christian moment in recent history where all the atheist thinkers of Europe jerked off about how smart they were. It all snowballed into the sexual freaks of today.

>>20880707
>the Enlightenment
It was hyper-Christian! Kant and Hegel are theologians! They were all religions nuts - Protestants - people who followed Jesus's teachings word for word.

>>20880632
God you're so boring, you never have anything to say but 'lol no actually Nietzsche'

get over him dude, he's not hurting you.

>>20880683
>Jesus is close to being übermensch according to Nietzsche.
Nietzsche thought Jesus was an extremely abnormal person, but thought he was extremely sensitive and weak. He lambasts him harshly in many places.

Where did this myth come from that Nietzsche had some kind of positive outlook on Jesus? It's just not true. It's true he isn't wholly negative but that's about it.

>>20880724
Gee you're so boring, you never have anything to say but 'lol no actually God'

get over Him dude, He's not hurting you.

>>20880729
Repeating back what someone said sarcastically means you have no response; your head is empty. It's a sign of intellectual defeat.

>>20880723
The enlightenment saw the replacement of religion with scientific data of the time. The annihilation of Christian values. Go forward some centuries and you get tranny freaks and faggots all over the place.

>>20880733
>you're le boring!
Wow very intellectual argument that should be taken seriously because it's said by a total giant. Read the shit you write and consider if it deserves a proper reply. Nietzsche, content aside, has a ridiculous, melodramatic style.

>>20880737
Fantasy history

>>20880737
You moron, the cry for equality and acceptance of all is hyper-Christian! Wake up. Christianity promotes obscurantism but once the bible was available for everyone to read the religion got stronger. Today is the most Christian era in all of history.

>>20880742
Write shorter posts, this is way too long for the amount of content.

>>20880744
It's exactly what happened. The worship of science and liberal values. Essentially proto-redditry, that's why modern redditors are pro-faggotry, pro-cutting your dick.

>>20880756
your conception of history is just as much of a modern construction by internet faggots as the one you're trying to criticize.

literally go read history books. /lit/ desperately needs more people who read and less people who post

So everyone can finally agree that anti-Nietzsche posters have no point and no substance. Their era is over.

>>20880756
They are pro equality. The most Christian value there is.

>>20880759
He has never read any enlightenment author. He's a /pol/ retard.

>>20880759
>The Age of Enlightenment, or simply the Enlightenment,[note 2] was an intellectual and philosophical movement that dominated Europe in the 17th and 18th centuries with global influences and effects.[2][3] The Enlightenment included a range of ideas centered on the value of human happiness, the pursuit of knowledge obtained by means of reason and the evidence of the senses, and ideals such as liberty, progress, toleration, fraternity, constitutional government, and separation of church and state.[4][5]
Didn't the homosexual fella above say "I am my senses" with a chest full of pride? That's the kind of Enlightenment "I love science" redditry that brought us the LGBT fiasco of today.

>>20880772
lmao you cite the wikipedia

go read books you fucking ape retard. you'll be much better off if you stop trying to read /pol/ faggotry into everything and see the true complexities of the world

>>20880759
>literally go read history books.
Literally go read De Maistre right now retard, take your own advice

>>20880772
You control your passions with your will you fucking faggot. You don't clip your nuts off!

>>20880782
Not an argument.

>>20880790
No substance

>>20880772
>"I love science"
Where is the science in denying biology? Trannies are anti-science. The degeneracy is Christian!

>>20880793
His posts have had more substance than yours, which is not saying much.

>>20880772
LGBT can just as much emerge out of that view as it can out of this one.

>>20880789
The evidence of the senses is what you were jerking off about above, my guy. It is a liberal tenet from the empiricists.

>>20880808
Yes, you have your senses and you control them with your will, not by tyrannizing them and denying their existence.

The fact /pol/ faggots focus so much on trannies is hilarious. Look, western society is decadent and trannies are barely a drop in the bucket.

If you want to see the true decadence, look at how even straight people don't get married or have any babies. Look at yourself. You're a pathetic loser faggot crying online all day. You're not out raising kids, you're not out fighting to change the world. You're just a whiny little bitch online, and your internet-fueled castration is literally no different from the chemical one trannies go through.

Trannies breed themselves out of existence within a single generation; once somebody sterilizes themselves they instantly have removed themselves from the gene pool. It's literally not even something to worry about. They're already dead and gone.

If you aren't advancing yourself positively in their stead, then you're a fucking degenerate too. Focus on that for once and you may actually build a positive value system that can actually be the basis for a society, instead of your resentment-fueled hate against a people who literally do not matter at all.

The fact so many people on 4chan can't see how little any of their autistic sperg rage matters is why you all are crippled fucking losers who never accomplish anything.

>>20880796
But you see, sweaty, ACKshyually gender is an oppressive conservative construct, so trannies are actually women because liberals and atheists say so. Christianity is tyrannical and dangerous, transfolx are free to do was they please.

>>20880817
/pol/ is secretly gay.

>>20880796
Oh and also, hon, John Money scientifically proved, that is, he used the scientific method which is the absolute truth of the universe, to prove that gender is just a contruct because in his famous experiments he transform a boy into a tranny. Get with the times. Read science!

>>20880828
>secretly

>>20879729
god is geometry you fucking gorilla

please never talk again. do not talk again

>>20880796
They don't deny biology. They just argue that biology is not all-encompassing (which is sort of correct, in the sense that scientific discoveries cannot tell you whether or not you should cut your dick off).

>>20880858
>>20880838
>>20880819
Christian.

>>20880871
Tranny

>>20880874
Yes, all trannies are Christian.

>>20880882
All trannies are atheist (that is, liberal). If you are only your senses you believe in science which says trannies are okay. Enjoy!

>John William Money (8 July 1921 – 7 July 2006) was a New Zealand psychologist, sexologist and author known for his research into sexual identity and biology of gender. He was one of the first researchers to publish theories on the influence of societal constructs of gender on individual formation of gender identity. Money introduced the terms gender identity, gender role and sexual orientation and popularised the term paraphilia.[1][2]
Atheist sisters...

>>20880189
>demasculinization
A true übermensch shares a woman with another man and patiently awaits his turn.

>>20879966
I didn't ask about God. I asked you to define if something exists.

>>20879958
>quotes philosopher to feel smart and powerful
So that's a no

>>20880885
>(that is, liberal)
Christianity is liberal you idiot. Jesus is everything you hate, you're such an irony.

>>20879729
your normie brain isn't ready to tackle this topic yet

>>20880917
>Jesus is everything you hate, you're such an irony.
Any Christian who actually understands Jesus knows it's a religion about laying flat and letting others trample on you.

Western culture dominated in spite of christianity, not because of it. Hell, when colonization started, the pope was a man who was fucking a half dozen mistresses and had a bunch of children. the west got rich and strong at a time of deep immorality

>>20880885
You're confusing the ancient church, which was traditional, with Christianity itself. The teachings of Jesus are degenerate, they lead inevitably to what we have today -- acceptance of all and equality off all. That was his thought and that of Paul.

>>20880917
Liberalism allows you freedom of religion (among other things). Christianity doesn't. Christianity can't be liberal. If you are the typical "I love science!" atheist, you are pro-faggotry, pro-trannitry by default.

>>20880924
>Christianity
>Christ was degenerate
now i've heard it all lmao

>>20880885
Liberals are neo-Christians.

>>20880921
>Any Christian who actually understands Jesus knows it's a religion about laying flat and letting others trample on you.
Exactly! About being meek, about accepting everything, about giving up on life! What do trannies do if not give up on life?

>>20880871
How is it Christian to assert that you can't derive an ought from an is?

>>20880929
Have you even read the bible?

>Love your neighbour as yourself
>If a man wants to rob you give him everything
>Give up all your possessions and follow me

You're retarded.

>>20880926
I hope you realize that Christianity initially spread through Rome via women, slaves, and degenerates. It's a religion geared for the weak.

It only grew popularity with the upper classes in Rome once a few conniving, backstabbing patricians realized they could manipulate the Christian masses, and eventually destroy the entire empire through petty civil wars.

>>20880947
That has nothing to do with what I said. Before typing random anti-Christianity stuff, check what you're replying to.

Liberal = atheist = sciencefag = pro-trannies. That's your default path.

>>20879966
incorrect

>>20880978
>Liberal = atheist = sciencefag = pro-trannies

Christianity = Liberalism = distorting science = trannies.

>>20879729
This "steelmanned" argument for the existence of God has never been refuted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxYbA1pt8LA

>>20879758
kek are Nietzsche fans actually this retarded or is this a false flag thread?

>>20880978
You basically want to return Christianity to being obscurantist and authoritarian instead of following the values of Jesus. The Christianity of today is Jesus centred Christianity.

>>20880988
>Christianity = Liberalism
This is a contradiction because liberalism is about individual liberties like freedom of religion, which is completely the opposite of Christianity.
>distorting science = trannies.
Trannies are justified by science in the scientific work of John Money.

Nice try.

>>20880180
>You can prove that those who created God were degenerated individuals who had nefarious intentions
you have to prove god was "created" first, retard. dont you think you are getting a little bit ahead of yourself?

>>20881003
Biologically there are two genders, not assigned, but determined at birth. That is the only good science.

>Christianity = Liberalism
Christianity is the art of bending over. So is Liberalism.

>>20880656
>You need to have an IQ of at least 120 to be an atheist.
lol'd

>>20881013
>That is the only good science.
The nature of science is that it changes all the time if new data informs new "truths." Trannies are justified under science in the work of the scientist John Money. You cannot ignore this.
>Christianity is the art of bending over. So is Liberalism.
Christianity is believing in the values of the Bible, neither of which support trannies and degeneracy unlike science.

>>20880644
>70% of the US is Christian
Protestants are barely Christian.

>>20880693
>Genuine atheists are and will always be a minority because it requires an extreme amount of discipline and strength of will to live as though sky daddy or mommy doesn't real.
You're so big and strong

>>20880817
You write like someone who will hit their kids and blame the kids for it.

>>20881026
>>20881027
You fucking faggots. Christianity must be destroyed. Protestants are the most dangerous Christians, they actually read the bible!

>>20880693
THE BIBLE IS ABOUT GEOMETRY, HAVE THE NEAREST PERSON KILL YOU SO YOU STOP POLLUTING THIS WORLD WITH YOUR IGNORANCE

>>20881042
Now that's a creative insult, I like it. But no, that's not what I will do lmao

Pointing out to /pol/ faggots that they're retarded morons is what any healthy adult should do

>>20881026
There are almost 3 billion Christians in the world, the effects of Christianity are monumental. And you want more Christianity!

>You're so big and strong

>>20881074
Geometry is a human invention.

>>20881029
>>20881077
(you) retard

>>20881070
>>20881076
lmao nice non-arguments.
I hope you trannies feel content now knowing science has your back.

>>20881075
>morons
Risking Hell fire for nothing.
>>20881070
>You fucking faggots. Christianity must be destroyed. Protestants are the most dangerous Christians, they actually read the bible!
Do you have any clue how boring this post is? Destroyed for what? To go back to your pagan innocence of demon worship? Christians never conquered but converted.

>>20881095
You're an actual Christian homosexual.

>>20880937
>What do trannies do if not give up on life
well they "rise above" petty christian morality and archaic traditions and social norms to affirm life in a truly Nietzschean/egoist fashion and seize complete control of their own destinies, bending reality itself to their wills and desires, and even dominate and subjugate other people to force them into playing their games for the trannies amusement. trannies are literally the living embodiment of degenerate atheistic nihilism and egoism and worship of sin

>>20881098
We need something new. 70% of the US is Christian and look at the state of it.

>>20881102
HAHAHA the tranny is mad.

>>20881113
everything wrong with the US is a direct result of doing literally the opposite of what tradition and christian morality says to do

>>20881112
kek true. atheists, trannies and nietzcheans are made for each other.

>>20881119
Everything great with the US is also the result of that.
>inb4 the retard claims there's nothing great about the US

>>20881112
They're accepted only because of Christianity.

>>20881124
Atheist liberal science is the most pro-tranny institution.

>>20881121
>>20881119
>christian morality
Christian morality says to accept and love everyone and bend over.

>>20881130
>liberal science
It's Christian! Liberalism = Christianity.

>>20881124
but that is objectively incorrect

>>20881131

>>20881134
70 % of the country is Christian, what don't you get about that?

>>20881133
>Liberalism = Christianity.
Refuted already. Try something new.

>>20881144
Wrong. They identify as Christian and said so in a poll. Doesn't mean they actually are.

>>20881148
Liberal values are Christian values.

>>20881131
christian universal love is akin to Christ reaching out to the prostitutes and tax collectors and whatnot in an attempt to show them a better path out of care and concern for their well being and the future of man as a whole, it doesn't mean "bending over" and tolerating or endorsing their evil ways. they will still be judged and condemned for their actions

>>20881156
See >>20881148

>>20879729
You can see the fruits of believers compared to the fruits of the atheists. This is enough for any reasonable man. But here is some logic since you seem to be lacking in it.

>>20881144
throwing that dubious statistic around has literally no bearing on the topic at hand, which is your even less credible claim that only Christians are responsible for acceptance of trannies (which the bible explicitly condemns)

>>20880259
>In the Dhammasangani the consciousness of meditative absorption (jhana) is subjected to the same sober analysis as the ordinary states of mind. It is shown that meditative consciousness, too, is a transitory combination of impermanent, conditioned and impersonal mental factors, which differ from their counterparts accompanying ordinary consciousness, only in their greater intensity and purity. They do not, therefore, warrant at all any assumption of a divine manifestation or an eternal Self.
the Eternal Self isn't a meditative state you brainlet; it's the the immutable foundational awareness that's present in all states whether meditative or non-meditative

>>20881159
>>20881155
You guys don't see how blinded you are? Everything you say is a cope.

"The meek will inherit the earth"

"Abandon all your possessions"

He was a grifter.

>>20881181
That has nothing to do with supporting trannies like in science.

>>20881171
Where do the gospels talk about trannies?

>>20881181
wow anon such a powerful argument, at last i truly see!

>>20881188
Trannies are the meekest.

>>20881189
both cross dressing and homosexual acts are condemned as abominations

>A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

> If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.


>Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men
> Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

>Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

>>20881243
That;s the old testament, the gospels overrule it all. The figure of Jesus, that's what changes the bible from conservative to liberal.

"The meek will inherit the earth."

The anti-life of Jesus, the will to reduce everyone to the meek. That's the spirit of Christianity.

>>20881254
>liberal
This shit again? See (as many times as you need it): >>20881148

>>20881257
Abandon all your possessions!

>>20881257
Be meek! Bend over!

That's the spirit of Jesus you buffoon.

>>20880410
>Its *unprovable therefore it doesn't exist

Y E S

>>20881277
>bacteria didn't exist in the 1100s because it couldn't be proven

>>20881254
the new covenant does not in anyway endorse and overrule gods previous condemnation of sexual abominations and other such sins

>>20881277
atheist intellectualism at its finest. out of site out of mind!

>>20881290
Nobody was shilling you to believe in bacteria. That's when you know. If God is real why do you need to convert people?

>>20881310
no one needs to convert people

>>20881302
Don't you see how much of a faggot Jesus was? Don't you see how much of a faggot YOU are by letting a dead man penetrate you?

You are letting Jesus and Paul have their way with your ass. You've been had.

>>20881270
That's not what meek means in this context. Also, you have to disprove science, which btw explicitly favors trannies and other degeneracies. Keep ignoring this.

>>20881314
Missionaries didn't exist?

>>20881318
Crypto-homosexual vibes from your reply. Just say you support your tranny sisters in your LGBT community.

>>20881318
wow anon that is a really good point! just so you know, if you are a christian false flagging to make atheists look bad, you are not doing yourself or anyone any favours

>>20881320
>you have to disprove science

Penis = man

Vagina = woman

>That's not what meek means in this context.

Bend over and let Jesus in.

>>20881323
thats not what I said at all, why would you post this?

>>20881329
>>20881336
>>20881340
The real question is why do you need an imaginary God to love you?

>>20881337
>Penis = man
>Vagina = woman
Um, that's not what science says, sweaty. Get with the times and read John Money. Gender is a conservative construct along with religion and both need to be destroyed in favor of liberty (liberalism).

>>20880935

The sole good take on this stupid thread
>inb4 duh duh midwit harari-bible fag take

read this retards, both atheists and theists :
""Religions"" and ""Political Movements"" are the exact same thing? Why? Because they share one mere thing in common : the promise of detaching people who follow them from pain by fullfilling their desires while making people on the top of the societal pyramid fullfill their desires even faster. It's just giant coping mechanisms that acts as an extension of our biology and our nature. The man, by its nature constantly aspires to fullfill his basic biological monkey desires and in addition its new desires created by its organization into a society. Every single of our actions is just about fullfilling desire and ereasing pain.
Sounds stupid and too much of an abstraction right ? keep reading

A/ The Exact Same Model
Let's first take the example of what you anons call a religion : in Christianity, you must follow certain habits to detach yourself from the eternal suffering that is hell, which is in addition said to be true because of the Bible. Act this way, do X and you won't suffer, go to heaven and get enough slop to feed your children. Pay the dîme so the that the christian order can get more of the abstraction that is money to fullfill their desires faster than you and fullfill the desires you don't have.

Now let's take capitalist liberalism (i could've taken communism but whatever it's the exact same shit) you're now an individual and a mere pillar of the organization of our society wow ! Now, instead of respecting the bible, you can CONSOOM, become a wagie and get your slice of the money cake, the same as the one present back in les bad medieval religious times you know? You get 3k a month for 50hrs of work, your superior gets more for approximatively the same thing etc, but the people on the top of the pyramid get the biggest slice just because you work for them, crazy right? And in the end, you fullfill your desires while fullfulling the new desires constantly being created by this model that make you work even more and make the top of the pyramid's life even easier, just like in "religion". The only difference being that new desires are created under capitalism, it's an exponential growth.

(1/..)

B/ Why Religion, why a shift into Atheism
Let's elaborate even more and come back to why both of the systems appeared and why we observed a transition in the west. Firstly religion, the apparition of religion can be explained simply : people just wanted to explain what was going on around them and give a sense to their life, that is a desire. Need a coping mechanism to know what's after death ? Reincarnation / Heaven and Hell ! Need to know why seasons exist ? Demeter is sad because Persephone is with Hades ! etc, etc.. Self-persuasion is in our nature and humans are naturally intuitive, it is extremely easy to make people believe some phenomenon when they don't have any other explaination for it. Do you really think that nobody 5k years ago asked itself the question "Why should i keep on living if all of my actions are driven by pain and the ereasment of pain?Well let's not kill ourselves, instead there must be something like heaven or hell or reincarnation! The Pain can be ereased and life has a meaning now! Let's pray to go to heaven or medidate to escape samsara.. Logical right? Philosophy ruled and keeps ruling the world, religion and politics are philosophy. That aside it is also completely stupid to think that religion was invented to ""control people"" it's just a coping mechanism that is an extension of our nature to fullfill its needs, only liberal / commie atheists believe that it was "created". We will come back to that later.

Now, what about the shift from auto-structuring by religion to auto-structuring by economics and liberalism? Well, capitalism developed itself slowly in a progressive way for centuries, to an extent where it was able to fullfill the needs of the bourgeoisie while inflicting the bourgeoisie less pain than religion would do. So what? The Enlightment and some theories denying the existence of god were enough to make the bourgeoisie revolt itself and change the way the pyramid is structured. Nothing more. It naturally evolved to an extent were anything that didn't support the model would be automatically declared useless by our nature, and thus religion fell behind liberal capitalism. And again it would be stupid to say that "Liberalism was created to control people", it's another coping mechanism to fullfill our needs, nothing more.

Conclusion : The Man needs to erease its pain and fullfill its needs. Before a god was enough, now it isn't. Capitalist liberalism, communism and fascism are the new "despotic divine right" or whatever you call it. Everything. is. driven. by. desire kek, at least religions had decent morals, but now you anons are all chasing goyfeed and dopamin.

>>20881350
False equivalence. Unsure if bait or just a retard.

>>20881353
>people just wanted to explain what was going on around them and give a sense to their life, that is a desire. Need a coping mechanism to know what's after death ?
Christianity was created by Jesus and Paul, there was no need for it, they created the need with their Jewish lies.

God was invented by Plato and the Jews. They assigned to him their own values.

>>20881354
Argue or retard kek, i'm not a fucking writer or an historian but 90% of the reasonment can be summarized in these two posts

>>20881350
>Now, instead of respecting the bible and God/Christs teachings you can mindlessly engage in sins which they condemn!

wow these completely opposite things are truly literally the same thing solely because they both involve the topic of human desires!! christian status=BTFO!

>>20881366
God is a preformative sign.

>>20881364
Religion is a coping mechanism. If you think that the ""jews"" were smart enough to make shit up and make people follow them, do you really think that it would give a sense to people's lives by implying heaven and hell? The same thing can be found in all "religions" it's a coping mechanism.

>>20881378
My favorite "coping" mechanism is fucking your mother

>>20881378
>"religions" it's a coping mechanism.
No doubt about it, but religion has now morphed through Protestantism into the secular. It's everywhere and it's covert.

>>20881371
I'm simply a deist but i'm pro religion, i'm just saying that both systems are coping mechanisms and will constantly put the shame on eachother because they're non-compatible in their final stages. As i said religion had morals, because it was simply a coping mechanism at the beginning. It evolved into degeneracy just like liberalism because of our nature

>>20881383
Fucking is a desire. No amounts of unargued contrarian masturbation will counter these two posts kek

>>20881378
mindlessly declaring "Religion is a coping mechanism" and other such grandiose atheistic declarations and platitudes are the greatest coping mechanism of all

>>20881083
how the fuck are SHAPES a human invention, you fucking british robber

>>20881392
I'm not an atheist, as i said i'm a deist who detached itself from desire and religion. I even encourage "religions" because it's healthier than atheism on every aspect.

>>20881403
>i'm a deist
holy cope

"In physiological terms: in a struggle with a beast, making it sick can be the only means of making it weak. The Church understood that: it corrupted human beings, it weakened them—but it claimed to have “improved” them."

Let Christ clip your nuts! And you will like it slave!

>>20881405
Prove me that the kalam cosmological argument which justifies deism but not atheism is wrong, no matter if the universe is cyclical or follows our definition of a timeline it still applies

"—Christianity, which springs from a Jewish root and is understandable only as a growth on this soil, represents the countermovement to every morality of breeding, of race, of privilege—it is the anti-Aryan religion par excellence: Christianity as the revaluation of all Aryan values, the triumph of chandala values, the gospel preached to the poor, the lowly, the general rebellion of all the oppressed, the miserable, the failures, the unfortunates, against “race”—the immortal chandala vengeance as a religion of love . . ."


AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

Christianity = Leftism

>>20881428
>Aryan
meme
next you're going to mention Hyperborea and some other nonsense.

>>20881436
Chandala are basically trannies and reddotors. They are the lowest Indian caste, the "Aryans" are the highest caste.

>>20881428
enjoy your dopamin shot i'm going back to hyperborea now.

>>20881448
Aryans are in this context brown Indians.

>>20881428
the aryans ARE the jews you mental retard

how do you even dress yourself

>>20881447
So what's your alternative? Paganism? Because it's clear that atheism leads to science which leads to liberalism and trannies.

the gospel preached to the poor, the lowly, the general rebellion of all the oppressed, the miserable, the failures, the unfortunates,

CHRISTIANITY

>>20881406
jej i cant believe there are grown ass men who read quotes like this and think OH MAN THATS HECKIN BASED TO MASCULINE AND STRONG. it seriously cannot be understated how shallow this assessment of the human condition is, utterly incorrect. its nothing a weak mans shallow perception of what strength is. the irony is that delusional retards who subscribe to these views are either weakest incels who amount to nothing, not even an average life, and are just having a LARPing power-fantasy of it, or if they DO gain power, or even become great men and become hypnotized by such notions, they are inevitably destroyed EVERY TIME by the very shallow ideas of strength which they praise. this utter nonsense is nothing but a bluff waiting to be called, fatal weakness cloaked in an illusion of strength and chest thumping with no actual substance.

>>20881458
Hi babe, do you spit or swallow girl?

>>20881459
why do you atheists seem to have huge fetishes for degrading yourselves like this? it is truly pathetic and weird

>>20881465
they have no souls dude, who cares what they think

>>20881465
Because I can feel you need a good pounding.

>>20881353
if we go in that direction why not simply believe in community effort to succeed? perhaps a polis?
i'm happy because other people i know are happy, and in turn they make me happy.
i'll never really understand religion or larger communities than the ones i personally know, but i don't wish ill will on any of them.

>>20881455
Atheism, new age, individual spiritualism. Anything is better than Christianity.

>>20881494
>Anything is better than Christianity.
Clearly not. The culture pushing for trannies is secular and liberal. Atheists are not better than Christianity.

>>20881494
christianity is just hellenic philosophy in a heavy-handed metaphor you fucking clown, you would have killed Socrates

>>20881497
Christianity has infiltrated the secular. That's in how much trouble we're in.

>>20881477
i wonder if you will ever come to terms with the fact that you hate christ and god and Christianity because it demands real strength of will and effort on your part and you literally piss your pants and cry like a baby internally at the very thought of exercising will and not being a degenerate manchild, or oh sorry, i mean "not being life affirming", i believe thats your preferred terminology lmao

>>20881506
amazing how "secular humanists" always agree with the pope

>>20881506
>Christianity has infiltrated the secular.
lmao are we getting /x/ now?

>>20881465
Because they have no objective morality. Exhibit a:

>>20881506
Actually, the secular intruded into the religious and reigned for 500 years now its getting its just deserts. All politics is inherently theological

>>20881505
"Socrates wanted to die: not Athens, but he gave himself the poison cup, he forced Athens to give him the poison cup . . . “Socrates is
no doctor,” he said to himself softly, “death is the only doctor here . . . Socrates himself has just been sick for a long time ."

>>20881512
Indeed.

>>20880630
>>20880615
>>20880600
Jesus was the product of a cuck relationship. How is Christianity NOT degenerate? Please don't tell me you believe that God made Mary pregnant. This is so fucking stupid.

>>20881507
I love the will. My passions are under full control by my will alone -- the sickness is gone.

It's the Christians that are manchild. Pity you won't get that pounding anytime soon, Men are too weak to give it to you.

>>20881568
>How is Christianity NOT degenerate?
personally i believe "degenerate" refers to what i would refer to as both outwardly and inwardly destructive immoral actions, and Christianity has a laser focus on combating these things, to the point where it revolves virtually entirely around the condemnation of these things. the teachings of God and Christ are, in my opinion, intimately intertwined with the human experience, and even when dealing with very similar cultures and ideals, they still stand out due to the fine details

>>20881574
sounds more like your will is under full control of your passions considering you cant even help but degrade and humiliate yourself with feel-good degeneracy. no matter what claims you make, your actions betray your true nature.

>>20881599
>Christianity has a laser focus on combating these things
By castrating you. You exercise restraint through will, not castration.

>>20879729
t. ]Zarathustra's Ape

We've elevated the faculty of reason to the crown because of its utility in mastering our world -- that time is ending, and its place in the table of values will be different. It is better to retain God than allow 'humanity' to be put on a pedestal. There may be even something better, for both.

>>20881610
>You exercise restraint through will, not castration.
...and that is literally what Christianity teaches, overcoming degeneracy through force of will

>>20881609
I'm humiliating you. You love it though, you crave something real. You're words show a dissatisfaction, which is what Christianity does by making you sick.

>>20881620
"Pluck your eye out"

That's Christianity.

>>20881626
yes you are literally proving my point by quoting that passage

>>20881632
>>20881626
>>20881620
>>20881610
>>20881599
What is the limit of such willful control?

>>20881624
>>20881626
Science and by extension liberals and atheists are pro-trannies by default.

Seethe cope dilate.

>>20881632
That's not will girl, that's self tyranny.

I exist, therefore, God exists.

That is the limit of my intellect and reason. It is what it is. Consciousness and the complexity and order of nature and the precise laws of physics/mathematics lead me to this midwitted conclusion. I just can't think any other way.

>>20881624
>actually I'm TOTALLY humiliating you by degrading myself and acting like a degenerate freak! its 4d chess bro

hahaha, come on man...you deserve better than this from yourself

>>20881637
>self tyranny

>>20881646
>>20881647
"The Church fights passion by cutting it out, in every sense; its practice, its “therapy” is castration. It never asks, “How does one spiritualize, beautify, deify a desire?”—its discipline has always emphasized eradication (eradication of sensuality, pride, the ambition to
rule, covetousness, vengefulness).—But ripping out the passions by the root means ripping out life by the root; the practice of the Church is an enemy to life."

"The same means, castration, eradication, is instinctively chosen in the struggle against a desire by those who are too weak-willed, too degenerate to moderate their own desire..."

Poor Christcucks.

>>20881637
>domination of the conscious will over ones passions is totally super cool and masculine...........until it gets actually hard, then its self tyranny!

>>20881664
That's not it at all. As an atheist I'm a better man than all of you Christians. Why? because I'm in control not by oppressing my desires but by ruling them as they need to be ruled.

I'm powerful.

>>20881664
my man is literally an incel LARPer and his entire world view is nothing but a power fantasy. as i said earlier in the thread, this is all nothing but a weak mans perception of strength
>uuuh you dont ACTUALLY expect me to buckle down when the going gets tough do you? im just in it for the epic conqueror aesthetics bro!

>>20881675
not powerful enough to produce anything but vague platitudes apparently

>>20881687
When you teach you learn. I'm teaching you all what I've read in the previous days, and it works wonders, better than writing an essay.

>>20881690
Maybe you're too far gone for it to help you, but it's helped me makes sense of a lot of things.

>>20881700
oh im sure anyone can pull any meaning they want out of statements like that, im just not interested in placating and pampering myself in that way

>>20881675
>Why? because I'm in control not by oppressing my desires but by ruling them as they need to be ruled.
that's just oppression with extra words.

>>20881721
Christianity castrates, that is oppression. You know those men that walk alongside their wives looking ashamed? The castrated man.

This is the opposite, you find your masculinity, you find power, and then the desires stop bothering you. They're in awe of you.

>>20881742
You're castrated by the law and by the system. You're not truly free and never will be. Stop saying delusional nonsense.

>>20881742
>let me explain my meaningless platitude with more meaningless platitudes

you're on a roll!

>>20881181
>Jesus lives a life of poverty
>Even though he could have easily enriched himself
>Whips kikes out of his temple for making it a place of money
>"He was a grifter dude"
What a dog shit take. Most atheists have to admit that Jesus was a good dude, because even they realize how nutty it is to argue against his virtues.

>>20881747
>the law and by the system
The Christian system. -- " ...the gospel preached to the poor, the lowly, the general rebellion of all the oppressed, the miserable, the failures, the unfortunates, "

The celebration of mediocrity!

>>20880189
Monotheism leads to a one world government

>>20881767
He was a cunt. Love me! love me! I am God! And love no one else!

>>20881778
>"And love no one else!"
>Explicitly states love your enemies.
Actual smooth brain, but I bet now I said that, you will retort with "christcuck". Instead of being a vile person that feels the need to maliciously lie, why don't you repent and seek Jesus' love and forgiveness, it really isn't that hard to strive to be a good upstanding person.

>>20881776
So does atheism, apparently. Globohomo is atheist.

>>20881813
>>20881814
Things are different for the rest of us. If you give up Christian faith, you pull the right to Christian morality out from under your feet. This morality is simply not self-evident: one has to bring this point home again and again, despite the English dimwits. Christianity is a system, a view of things that is conceived as a connected whole. If you break off a major concept from it, faith in God, you break up the whole as well: there are no necessities left to hold onto anymore. Christianity presupposes that human beings do not know, cannot know, what is good and evil for them:
they believe in God, who is the only one who knows it. Christian morality is a commandment; its origin is transcendent; it is beyond all criticism, all
right to criticism; it is true only if God is truth—it stands and falls with faith in God.


All atheists need to read this. Humanism is Christian. Leftism is Christian. You need to detach yourselves completely from it.

>>20881813
i dont think ive ever heard an atheist accurately critique Christianity. its always them sperging out about these weird axioms about Christianity that they come across at some point in their life and cling to like dogma and turn in to these broad statements or attacks against aspects of their target that dont actually exist in real life and they are consistently smug about it like they have just torn town your entire world view and are shocked that you arent praising their intellect

>>20881813
>>20881814
"They’ve gotten rid of the Christian God, and now they think they have to hold onto Christian morality all the more..."

>>20881827
>All atheists need to read this. Humanism is Christian. Leftism is Christian.
Atheism is all that and worse. Modern degeneracy exists under an atheist (secular) culture.

>>20881836
If you don't follow the essential tenets of Christian morality you literally end up in jail.

>>20881837
Humanism, leftism, yes. They are Christian morality without God. Extremely dangerous. Now they think they have bring some magical heaven on earth. Actually Marxism is Christianity too.

>>20881840
"Give all your possession" "Let yourself be robbed" "Pluck out your eye"

>>20881827
leftists are hard materialists who genocided Christians and radically opposed most christian morality and tradition lol. you are literally so stupid you are equating leftism with Christianity because leftism involves taking care of a pseudo-tribal in-group and you look at that and immediately think WOWIE IS THAT SOMEONE HELPING SOMEONE ELSE? THIS IS LITERALLY CHRISTIANITY :000000

fucking lmao, you probably thought this was so smart too

>>20881834
I have literally seen zero atheists actually argue on the basis of what the bible actually says, they always argue about corrupt churches as if that is an effective argument on the existence of god.
I would honestly like atheists to actually acknowledge what is said in the bible but then simply not believe it rather then conjuring up these weird strawmans, lies and non sequiturs that are so easily disprovable. The arguments always sound as stupid as something like "The Dark Knight is a bad movie because Spiderman randomly comes in to kill the joker."

>>20881856
Humanism, on which leftism is based, is the most Christian thing there is.

>>20881860
Read this thread you idiot, there are plenty of stupidities said by Jesus mentioned.

>>20880435
>I need my Jew sky daddy to prevent me from being a compulsive faggot

>>20881864
>humanism...is the most christian thing there is

i cant believe how stupid this is

>>20881853
Sola scrpitura is heresy

>>20880576
>Rich powerful people literally raping and eating children
>I sleep
>Some incel schizo not worshipping me and even talking bad about me
>I rot his brain

You gotta love the Christian God character

>>20879958
Based. Check out the beginning of reformism and the peasants’ war around 1520 against the Nobility and Rome (Catholic church) in Germany— priests and Archbishops collected money from the poor to repay their loans and stuff like that.
Read about Luther and Hutten.

>>20881896
ironic considering neechs attitude is exactly what the people literally raping and eating kids and committing other horrific acts use to justify their actions

>>20880600
You do realize Christianity inadvertently creates degeneracy, right? Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all those Abrahamic religions that worship the same God all work together up in the hierarchy of your monopolized religion.

>>20881917
>you do realize these things that are fundamentally anti-degenerate and were the singular cornerstone in the active fight against degeneracy for centuries are actualy pro degeneracy, right

no i have never realized that and i find it genuinely insane that you actually think you can gas light people into believing it

>>20881931
Christianity promotes complacency while also being served as a vehicle for immigration. It also spawns retarded /pol/ spouting Boomers which makes faggots look cool in comparison which then in turn attracts the youth in. I'm sorry you're too broken to see this

>>20881971
im not "broken" i just cant really accept your claim at face value because it is objectively incorrect as historically Christianity was the single greatest force in the world against complacency and apathy towards degeneracy

try again

>>20881971
Christians are more than willing to call out these heretics and do not condone this sort of degeneracy in the church. Why is it though if I point out the fact that atheists are shown statistically to support globohomo and leftism, you guys devolve into petulant insults?

>>20881971
Why are you so against homosexuality? it was perfectly acceptable in most pre-christian European cultures, and backwards Christians fought homosexuality till the bitter end and still to this day represent the main opposition to it in the western world

>>20881931
They didnt fight against degeneracy, but kept natural philosophy (science) as secret to promote mysticism and control the masses to keep their political power and increase their wealth.

>>20881996
>>20881971
Look at what the pope says. It's not that that the left has infiltrated Christianity it's that the left IS Christianity.

>>20879758
>>20880544
I´ve read twilight of the idols. Not the antichrist. I do not recall him disproving God in any way.

>>20882074
In Twilight of the Idols he dismantles Plato and Socrates and how their creation of God came from their decadence. In the Antichrist he dismantles Jesus, Paul, the Jews, Buddhism.

>>20879729
Why do you dicksuck one philosopher?

>>20882101
He dismantles the toxic Abrahamic religions and Buddhism and probably all other religions if he had lived longer. He exposes how degenerate they are, how they're on a burden on life.

It's all true, religion is horror, and sadly it's in all our laws, in all our politics, customs, institutions.

>>20882088
>In Twilight of the Idols he dismantles Plato and Socrates and how their creation of God came from their decadence.
That doesn´t in any way disprove the idea of the one God though. Plato and his relation to the one God is only relevant in Christianity. But Chistianity itself is only Judaism + Plato. So The argument carries no weight against The God of Judaism. Also Nietzsche is wrong on this account. The greek proto-monotheism doesn´t spring from their own culture or decadence but is an import from egypt.

>>20882172
>disprove the idea of the one God
Plato created him out of necessity, for a purpose that he saw HE needed to survive. A homosexual.

The Jewish God is talked about in depth in The Antichrist, read it.

>>20882172
Christianity is sort of homosexual Judaism, combining the Greek narcissism with the Jewish one. No wonder it's so decadent.

>>20882242
>>20882254
Still not a rebuttal of the fact that is is derived from their egyptian education and not stemming from their personal or cultural circumstances.
>The Jewish God is talked about in depth in The Antichrist, read it.
I will one day. But you should be able to make the argument.

>>20882334
>I will one day. But you should be able to make the argument.
The Jews were slaves for a long time and eventually, after many losses, they chose to delude themselves -- to BE at any cost -- until their God become preformative, and instead of serving them enslaved them in a very cruel way. They became masters of deception but at the cost of their sanity.

>Still not a rebuttal of the fact that is is derived from their egyptian education and not stemming from their personal or cultural circumstances.

Precisely, Plato and Socrates broke from Greek culture out of their own necessity.

>>20882356
>preformative
Performative!

>>20882356
>Precisely, Plato and Socrates broke from Greek culture out of their own necessity.
You dont get what im saying. This break is itself the influence from egypt where the athenian elite were educated.

>>20882362
reason = virtue = happiness

That was their necessity. They needed to delude themselves in that way because they were homosexuals with access to a lot of young boys, but realized that pursuing this passion made them unhappy.

It's a strange cope, but basically they created God out of a need for order. They became too decadent to control themselves with will. I don't fully understand the homosexual urge, but I suppose it's impossible to beat without delusion.

>>20882395
>delusion
They made a tyrant out of reason and Christianity then adopted it.

When Christian speak of God as Logos this is what they mean. The tyrannic reason of Plato and Socrates. They made reason into God even if reason is at odds with everything that makes us human. It's the ultimate tyranny.

>>20882395
>Believing in God is degeneracy
>Makes the point that gay people stopped being gay and became straight
>Somehow thinks this isn't proof of religion being anti-degeneracy
Holy kek