/lit/ - Literature

>>20742993
That you see through any lens us the issue, eradicate all concepts, frameworks, persistant biases, open yourself completely up to everything and read with your heart not your head. Guenonian metaphysics as a discursive rational construction is self-refuting, transcend all views have them all dissolve into the Eternal, if your "guenonian thoughts" persist just leave them be recognising them as the waves on an ocean, or like a rainbow which appears in a sky, be skylike - open like the space of the sky, still like the ocean and have every view and persistent thought return to the primordial waters, all it takes is acknowledging the thoughts and views dependent origination or otherwise illusory label, letting it be, having the suns rays reverse their direction, stop coping and be free...

>>20742993
just embrace being a guenonian anon

>>20742993
I genuinely believe that 95% of people in Western Civilization who use the internet do not and can not believe in a deity, more so for what I've taken to calling "Imageboard Christians". You have copes like >>20743021 but it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to do the whole "think with your heart" shit.

>>20742993
>Is there any refutation of guenonian metaphysics coming from a spiritual/religious perspective?
Yes an Orthodox Christian refuted him, while still being sympathetic to perennialism. The late Philip Sherrard, a Perennialist and member of the Greek Orthodox Church, devotes a long chapter in his last book, Christianity: Lineaments of a Sacred Tradition, to the “Logic of Metaphysics in René Guénon” – although the points he makes are just as applicable to Schuon, as we shall see. Guénon did more than anyone else to reawaken metaphysical perception in our century, Sherrard says. But he made two important assumptions that predisposed him against Christianity and towards Vedanta (and which help to explain his own conversion from Catholicism to Islam). The first of these assumptions was that a strict correlation must be preserved between the metaphysical and the logical order – thus ruling out in advance the more paradoxical Christian relationship between Unity and Trinity in the Godhead. The second assumption was that every “determination” of the Absolute must be some form of limitation, and is therefore incompatible with the divine nature. These two assumptions led Guénon into an apophaticism so radical that he could affirm nothing at all of the Absolute, except by way of negation – including, obviously, a negation of the Christian Trinity.

>>20742993
you have to be cringe like guenon to take him seriously

>>20742993
Read more. Get beyond Guenon. Become a big boy.

>>20742993
It can't be refuted and naturally encompasses everything. The goal is to realize that it has nothing to do specifically with that man, he has simply opened you up to the Infinite, almost (but not quite) like a virtual initiation.

>>20743196
>>20743196
>>20743196
this

>>20743423
pbuh

>>20743195
>Yes an Orthodox Christian refuted him

>>20742993
Read Seraphim Rose. Ex-Guenonian (and still clearly influenced to an extent by his writings) who became a devout Orthodox priest. Guenon, Schuon, Coom-man, et al are basically to be used as rungs on the ladder to push yourself up to being initiated into an actual tradition

>>20743021
>Just be a blank slate for the foreign religion, goy! You can trust me! Never mind that it inherently has a literal slave and master complex and subverts your peoples from family values and strength unto submissiveness and rejection of life that you once so preciously valued!

And otherwise it's literally
>just like release your founded beliefs, convictions, and inhibitions and just like soak in (x) propaganda dude

>>20743100
This

>>20743828
>Just be a blank slate for the foreign religion, goy!
what are you talking about, this has nothing to do with what I wrote,
>Never mind that it inherently has a literal slave and master complex and subverts your peoples from family values and strength unto submissiveness and rejection of life that you once so preciously valued!
What I am talking about is the absolute antithesis of any form of enslavement.
>just like release your founded beliefs, convictions, and inhibitions and just like soak in (x) propaganda dude
I never mentioned a single thing about "soaking in" any sort of propaganda,

if that is all you took from what I've written then I feel sorry for you, you grossly mischaracterise what I have attempted to express.

>>20743849
I can see through what you write and the facade you put on.
Blow it out your ass, retard

>>20743866
>I can see through what you write and the facade you put on.
do you care to elaborate? all i did was say essentially: renounce all views and be well established in the Self. There is no trace of dogmatism, no beginning, middle or end, in the original purity.
with regards to what you said about "blank slate" no, go even further be neither blank nor filled. There is no absence of anything something "blank" implies a loss of something, but that is not the case. Memory is not the Self, it has a beginning and end.

>>20742993
Guenon is a soulless and depressing read. He is anti-human, not supra-human. His philosophy is about iron-clad laws that lead you to annihilation.

Are you surprised that a Freemason, who advocated that Europeans should move to Egypt or India to marry a native and fulfill their Advaitin destiny of embracing annihilation and oblivion, should be a depressing and destructive read for any sane westerner?

Face it, Guenon was possessed by malefic forces while he was going around trying to find "initiation" and dabbling in all sorts of weird occult shit. The counter-initiation will come under the guise of Tradition and Guenon is part of this.

You've been psyopped by soulless Guenonianism, the real counter-initiation, and counter-tradition.

>>20744019
>t. Christcuck

>>20744019
>to marry a native
chad colonizer

>>20742993
Yeah, Islam is complete bullshit

>>20744019
this whole post is cap

>>20743195
Orthodoxy does refute Guenon, as well as all Buddhists, Hindus, crypto-Buddhists, crypto-Hindus, and anyone else with a false monistic, dualistic, “non-dualistic” or heterodox conception of reality, but Perennialism and Perennialist sympathetic “Orthodox” are not Orthodox.

>>20744019
All true.

what are his best or most important books?

>>20743042
>just embrace being a guenonian anon
God, no.

>>20745073
his articles on symbolism (the great triad, fundamental symbols of sacred science)
his book on calculus

>>20744704
Guenon was an embodiment of scrupulous Orthodoxy

>>20743828
What kind of nonsense is this. Definitely not what I got out of the bible.

>>20742993
Give me Guenonian readings of 2 myths.

>>20745630
Guenon's "orthodoxy" was not orthodox anywhere, at any time, in any religion.

>>20745730
Because it was the primordial Orthodoxy underlying the so-called orthodoxy of the particular religious forms, he explains this in his books.

>>20745630
No he wasn't. He was a syncretist until 1930 when he sort of got stuck in Egypt and went full Muslim LARP. Why are Guenonians so dishonest?

>>20742993
What happens is you read Guenon's sources, and the sources of guenonposter, and realize they didn't know what they were talking about and retroactively refute themselves all the time.

>>20744019
>>20744711
He doesn't advocate for annihilation, that is a technical aspect of initiatic practices. He also doesn't advocate for Europeans to do anything, he makes it clear that he does not give advice to anyone nor should one follow the way he lived, which he saw as irrelevant to and independent from his works. Read Evola if you want to know hat you should do. There is this juvenile, sort of feminine (in a bad way) tendency for young men here to look at every little detail of some author's life, as if that has any bearing on the writings. It's definitely a low IQ / lazy cop out, since you can't read his books and would obviously rather read little biographies and gossip about him as if he were some e-celeb.

Also to the first post, you have no authority to make such claims, especially when you can't even back them up.
>all sorts of weird occult shit
And you're trying to speak like an authority on initiation, KEK, you have no idea what you're talking about. Stick to worshipping Jesus or whatever, esotericism is not for you.

>>20743195
are you calling guenon a communist?

>>20743100
Why can’t they believe in a deity,

>>20743100
Is someone who doesn't hold firm belief but strives for it and is convinced of Christian ethics a Christian?

I think so. I think that's sincere.

>>20745950
Yeah if by "explains" you means "asserts with no justification, evidence, proof, or validation whatsoever".

>>20744019
>who advocated that Europeans should move to Egypt or India to marry a native and fulfill their Advaitin destiny of embracing annihilation and oblivion, should be a depressing and destructive read for any sane westerner?
He didn't recommend that, he just did that himself. He said for most people the major religion they are born into is fine

>>20747639
>t. dark-skinned shudra dog

>>20742993
>Guenon
Who?

What exactly are his beliefs?

>>20742993
Now start with Euler and start playing piano, faggot.

>>20742993
>ruined
Wtf were you smoking before?
You ruined my day with your retardness

>>20749649
Guenon believed that alongside the historical, exoteric religions and traditions, exists internally and among the elite, an eternal religion which teaches that you are God but God is just nothing so when you die nothing happens to you and its oblivion but for Guenon this is called the Absolute and he sees personal annihilation as a good thing. You need to get initiation to become connected to this big chain that helps you become depersonalized and attain knowledge that you're God and will have no afterlife anyway (but in rare circumstances you don't need this initiation). Initiation can't be found in Catholicism anymore. Europeans should become Freemason or move to the middle east or asia and become Muslim or Hindu and marry a native and get initiation there.

That's the summary of Guenon.

>>20747896
Traditionalists are like the neopagans. They cannot form a basic argument without resorting to strawmen or ad hominem.

>>20743100
>IMPOSSIBLE to do the whole "think with your heart" shit.
This is your brain on autism. If you're mentally limited to literal interpretation and conceptually limited to logical deductions from said interpretations, you are actually handicapped.
You are in the 5% who can't percieve divinity fully. At best you're able to see one face of the infinite faces of God, which is fair enough, but gives you less authority on God than just about anyone with regular perceptive skills.

>>20743042
wtf even is a guenonian

is this some weird larp shit

>>20743100
I agree with you, its all larp.

>>20747639
t. hasn't actually read anything by Guenon

>>20751415
Sorry you're brown lmao

>>20754117
Why is that bad? Guenon and Schuon thought brown people were better than white. Have trads not read a single page of their favorite authors? Are they that clueless?