/lit/ - Literature

>>20672427
The big issue is that good threads get derailed too easily or die quickly. The number of shitposters outweigh readers

>>20672439
I think we can separate actual readers from shitposters by making reading clubs of authors a regular part of /lit/.

The read together of James Joyce are the cleanest threads there are from shitposts because you'd have to actually read to participate in this specific discussion on this specific book.

>>20672427
Imagine shooting your hot and potent seeds inside her fertile womb, must be heaven.

>>20672459
The issue is that not everyone wants to read the same book. If we were able to have multiple read along threads going at the same time that would be great. Unfortunately I don’t think /lit/ has the population of readers needed to do that

>>20672427
There's no saving the board. It's a demographic problem supported by data from the school system. Smartphones have shifted human cognitive ability to a new benchmark far below where it was before their widespread adoption. The whole fucking bell curve stood up and walked a significant distance to the left. They tried to hide this phenomenon by restructuring standardized tests. You can't compare against old data if the examination is a new process. The long term ramifications are just now coming out: the zoomers are retarded. It's not anything to do with their generation specifically, smartphones would have done a number on whatever generation had the misfortune to grow up with one in hand.

The board took a nosedive after the Russian invasion and the culture war became serious business. I think lit is beyond saving

low-effort thread. sage.

Your posting is part of the problem. Everything from the anti-Peterson threads, the lust provoking bait threads, the subversive Tolkien threads. It is all very tiring.

>>20672548
I'd like to see the evidence. Not that I disagree with you, but I want to show it to other people who aren't as alarmed.

>>20672439
how is that even possible? i understand shitposts on /v/ or /tv/, because you're surrounded by that media, but being a shitposter on /lit/ is beyond me

>>20672659
People see literature as smart, so the “intellectual” posters from a few other boards made this board their home

>>20672659
People from those boards have bled into /lit/. This is one of the few moderately populated boards on 4chan where good posters still try to take things seriously. It's very easy to spot tourists who are less interested in literature and more of the topic just by what they post and how they interact with the subject. They want to see /lit/ like they see other boards: a fast entertainment stream where witticism and memes dominate. This is why threads with nearly no pictures in them are almost devoid of shitposters, because tourists aren't here to engage in discussion. They don't want to read hundreds of words from anons having a discussion. They want fast, topical entertainment, and when they can't find it, they make it by shitposting like they would on other boards. Bad threads always have short OPs, catchy images meant to draw attention (like this one), or an extremely shallow topic, and it's amazing how common they are now. For a board this slow, you would think people here would be wise enough to nuke shit threads. However, more people are here who want that fast entertainment you can get from /tv/ or /pol/ or /v/ but in the literature flavor, so they reply and bump the threads. Hence you get a constant flow of shitposting and the people who enable it.

>>20672707
I spoke to a few admins a while ago getting a ban overturned, I mentioned how i would be better to create new boards for the main subjects that distract away from the topics here - but no they didn't want to.

Not sure whether they don't have the ability to open the webpage manager and create a new page, or whether they actually don't care but bear in mind this entire site has picked up the overflow of all of the west during the period of massive internet censorship of every other platform and they probably don't know how to adapt to the opportunity.

>>20672704
>>20672659
>>20672427

It's not really that different from the other places; start a good thread on some subject and 9/10 the only reply is some neckbeard with a one-line response motivated for some political reason they've discerned from the subject.

>how i would be better
*how 'it' would be better

...

no, scratch that, I would be better.

>>20672707
We were here before you and we will be here long after you are gone.

>>20672459
I concur. Those threads have all been great.
>>20672524
> I don’t think /lit/ has the population of readers needed to do that.
A rate of five thousand posts per day should be able to sustain atleast a handful of read alongs, even if we assume a majority of those are shitposts. I usually hate generals, but it seems to be our best shot.
Beyond that, all of you should start reporting every single-sentence OP. The only way to curb this shit is to employ stricter moderation. Sage and report.
>>20672596
retard

>cumbrain bait image
>GUYS HOW DO WE SAVE /lit/
By purging the likes of you, faggot. Meta threads go on >>>/qa/.

>>20672704
>so the “intellectual” posters from a few other boards made this board their home
What are the chances that some of those guys also happen to be part of the janitorial staff?

>>20672773
I am an advocate of generals in times like these. We need low effort but on topic threads before high quality posts return. The issue is once again the demographics of this board. Many anons will judge an author by his relationship to some meta group or culture

>>20672773

>>20672427
>yet another assblasted tranny bitching and moaning thread
just go back, it's that simple. if you can't handle 4chan culture then go somewhere else. it's not going to change for a bunch of retards that larp as women. it's never going to be what you want it to be. get over it.

>>20672826
4chan was always pro-anarchy

>>20672459
>>20672524
>>20672773

Op here, i had an idea:

To gather the most amount of readers for the regular specific book clubs, we'll make a poll for everyone to submit their favorite book and the one that gets the most vote is to be read along.

You know, if you're bored/annoyed/finished with reading /lit/, there are these things called "books".

>>20672855
until it actually happens. unfortunately for the complaining cunts itt it will never be pro tranny. go back to discord, go back to plebbit, to twitter, to tumblr, or whatever delusion reinforcing shithole you came from and do so quickly, quietly and in peace.

>>20672874
>>20672826
token tranny obsessed seether. you have the gall to gatekeep when you're one of the countless /pol/schizos infecting every board on this site? guess i shouldn't be surprised.

>>20672871
You shouldn’t be reading 24/7

>>20672427
This whole site has gone to shit but this board is particularly bad for the simple reason that they refuse to delete off topic /pol/ threads on other boards. /pol/ crossposting has been so prevalent on this site for the last 5-6 years and it's ruined any chance of discussing anything other than identity politics and culture war bullshit. they will create thinly veiled threads seething about some minority group. or they will come into a thread and derail it with the /pol/ shit. it's the same thing in every thread. janitors need to do a better job of deleting these threads, deleting these posts within on topic threads, banning users, sending them back to /pol/ where they belong, but they will never do it. just go into any thread discussing a female author, an author who is a gay man or a jewish author, for example, and look at 90% of the replies. it's not possible to have any legitimate discussion here.

>>20672427
This board is great. Easily one of the better boards on 4chan. What exactly do you want to change?

>>20672912
Maybe if they started getting paid they would do a better job.

>>20672912
This. Also delete Books For This Feel threads. 90% of them just want to discuss the topic brought up

>>20672898
>REEEEEE /pol/
right on time. you will never be a woman.

>>20672874
You don’t know my politics. My point is they shouldn’t be discussed here. There is a board for them. I don’t care what side you are. They have killed this board.

>>20672912
Obsessed much?

>>20672912
>pol/ crossposting has been so prevalent on this site for the last 5-6 years
>5-6 years
it's over, you lost and just like your neovagina you will never recover. dilate.

Ignore the teenagers

>>20672943
sure I do. nobody in their right mind would sit there on their fat ass and screech because the last bastion of free speech on the internet isn't a safe space with moderators forcibly conforming it to their expectations. you don't belong here, you never have and you never will.

>>20672979
best practice there is to go somewhere else. you may not like it, but nobody cares tranny.

>>20672939
i'm fine with never being a woman though. how do you feel about never having sex and dying alone?

>>20672950
>>20672957
>>20672981
You have a containment board for your racist support group called /pol/. Just go there and be racist and let us discuss literature over here. It's not about being a snowflake and needing a safe space, just wanting to keep discussion on topic. I saw a thread the other day with a topic to the effect of "what books discuss the rise of cultural marxism and forced lgbtq". this is not a thread about literature and no one arguing in good faith would try to say that it is. there are no books about "cultural marxism" because this is an anti-semitic dog whistle and not a real term used by people who write (or read) books.

another example- there was a thread the other day about bret easton ellis and i don't exaggerate when i say 90% of the replies were just throwaway comments about him being gay. completely unlrelated to literature and just derailing the thread. i'm not offended by homophobic comments. i've been coming to 4chan for 15 years. i just wish the janitors would make even the slightest effort to keep boards on topic. we quite literally have a dedicated containment board for racist homophobic future school shooters and you still insist on your free speech rights to infect every other board on the site with off topic bullshit.

>>20672909
You're not my mom

>>20673048
No one is falling for this bait, honey

>>20673048
>90% of the replies were just throwaway comments about him being gay. completely unlrelated to literature
That is entirely BEE related. If BEE would stop directing every conversation towards his twink bf, then it might not be. But BEE isn't going to shut up about his twink bf. Go to an Arthur C Clarke thread if you want nobody to mention the severe age gap homo relationship lurking in the background.

>>20672858
What's common is to do that. Or make a list to start and see if anons reject or approve the idea. And do something new and interesting rather than just the modernists and post modernists. How about a Western reading group, for example? Or some pulpy noir crime novels?
>NYGGY

>>20673015
i have had sex. you can tell because I don't spend all day whining about the quality of posts on 4chan.

>>20673048
and you have literally every other website on the internet as a safe space. you don't need to ruin this one too.

>>20673128
Just because someone doesn’t want to hear about politics of either kind, doesn’t mean they are a leftist. Can’t you understand that?

>>20673137
that's a roundabout admittance. if you don't like it just go somewhere else. can you understand that?

>>20673117
fucking your hand doesn't count, but of course you know this. and obviously you do spend all day whining about the quality of posts on 4chan, in addition to projecting your own tranny-obsessed schizo narratives onto its cum-stained boards.

>>20672858
I'll make 'The Once and Future King' by T.H. White my submission to the poll. Let's be careful about letting it devolve into a blog posting cirkle jerk.

>>20673142
>>20673128
the mentality of an unkempt shit-smelling child who walks into a room screeching and proclaims "this is my room now :~), you don't like it get out". meds, now.

>>20673143
>tranny absolutely seething about their million dollar hole that nobody will ever fuck

>>20673153
>obsessed with trannies, hard-wired to perceive any disagreement as tranny related
i can practically smell you through the screen

>>20672462
>fertile

Way to kill my election, anon

>>20673128
i don't use reddit or twitter or any of those other sites, i use this one. and i've likely been using it a lot longer than you have. like i said, the last 5-6 have seen a sharp decline in the quality of this site. /pol/tards are the ones who "ruined" it and i've seen plenty of other longtime users voice this sentiment.

>>20673152
this

>>20673152
no u, literally. it's always been my room and only now do you have a problem with it because it's the only room that you don't control. get over it.

>>20673158
very ironic post troon. i'm surprised you can smell anything over the rotting flesh where your dick used to be. nobody else can.

>>20672588

This. I come back every day just to feel that regrettable, empty feeling of a board lost.

Even the 25 fucking hegel threads per day was a preferable state. I even learned a thing or two. These retards just wanna read esotericism shit because they can't handle reality

>>20673163
>i don't use reddit or twitter or any of those other sites
now is a great time to start. bon voyage mis ami

>>20673184
>I come back every day to torture myself
wow tranny self harms who would have thought

Go back to twitter you fags

>>20673200
Wow must have triggered a larping christ wizard.

Original comment tranny comment, there btw. You read that in a book?

The new janny could be the hero we need. No politics, no off topic discussion. May he rule with an iron fist

>>20672427
>I've seen a bunch of low iq niggers here unironically getting filtered by Don Quixote.
Any old book in translation can potentially trip people up because their first inclination will be to try and read a Victorian era translation from project gutenberg that will read like shit.

>>20673148
I love that book and would 100% read it with /lit/ even though I just finished it again last year.

>>20672588
>The board took a nosedive after the Russian invasion and the culture war became serious business.
Think your timeline is off unless you are talking about the invasion of Crimea in 2014.
Lit never had chance though. It was simple created to late to have a chance of developing its own culture.

>>20672459
The problem is the quantity of shit threads will make good quality but slow threads die quickly.

>>20673338
This. The issue is the over abundance of anons who don’t want to discuss books. They drown the readers out

>>20673143
hey, my hand is a great lover.

>>20673159
Election turist.

>>20672707
>witticism and memes

This was common enough on /lit/ before, it's just that back then they were actually /lit/ memes. Now it's mostly memes copypasted from /pol/ or /r9k/ or wherever else people discuss culture war topics. I would much prefer discussion about lolcows like Waldun and Gardner over the 10000th culture war thread even if that's ostensibly a more "serious" topic.

>>20672427
If you want people to make good posts then make threads worth posting in. Trying to get a decent discussion out of the thousandth 'what did i think of it?' or book recommendation thread is like trying to draw blood from a stone. The biggest problem with /lit/ isn't that there is shitposting, or /pol/ posting—it's that almost every thread is boring and has no room for elaboration.

>>20674761
This ignores that good threads that require thought and effort posts need time. Threads can die in hours now. Also not every thread needs to be a dissertation. As long as a thread is on topic it is fine IMO. Nothing wrong with someone writing a few sentences to give their opinion on a book. There just aren’t as many readers on this board as there used to be. Threads about non meme books will receive few replies because most in new lit probably haven’t read it. It’s a numbers game. It’s pretty clear that the issue is the demographics on lit. Anons who actually read have jumped ship. It is important to get readers back. Lit has lost the ability to police itself. It needs a mod or janny to step in and delete or ban off topic posts

>>20674761
Thought provoking ideas find little traction amongst these odd fellows. They fish for shad and believe it's trout, call wenches ladies, and believe theyir rusted armor gleams like the white company. Strange fellows here by queer the pitch.

>>20674930
I do not think that you've ever made an interesting thread.

>>20672427
>is himself a jezebelposter
Start by leaving this board. For your own good, for everyone’s good

>>20672898
>tranny obsessed
keep trying to make this a thing, it's like saying exterminators are "cockroach obsessed"

>if you hate trannies you must be /pol/
i haven't been on /pol/ except maybe two or three times, but i guess that makes me /pol/. go to hell tranny.

/pol/ be bringing up trannies more than neoliberals

>>20672427
Someone posts an opinion:
>"shut the fuck up pseud, kys"
>"highschool level interpretation, retard"
>"Wow /lit/ is so trash, just look at all these garbage opinions"
>"No one on /lit/ reads, look at OPs shit opinion"
>"Why do I keep coming here? Everyone here is retarded (but not me, I swear!)"

The board and the posters suck. No amount of generals, read alongs, reporting or jannies is going to change a rotten foundation, which is cultivated by posters who all think they are gifted 500 iq intellectuals. You all have no class and lack the humbleness required for productive discussion. You are all to blame for this board being a gigantic turd.

>>20674793
I didn't say threads need to be dissertations, i said they need to have a specific point or topic. Restrictions create structure, which helps guide discussion. Things that are too open-ended do as much to kill discussion as simple 'yes' or 'no' binaries. Are they 'fine' in the sense they are ontopic? sure, but don't then bemoan the decline in post quality and 'where have all the effort posters gone?' if you only spit out sterile boilerplate non-topics.
And in terms of post rate, we've already returned to pre-covid levels, so the 'in hours' point no longer even applies. Threads and can and do stick around for days with minor babysitting. In the end, you only need two people to have a good discussion. If this place can't muster up even that, then it is truly irredeemable. Jannies won't fix anything, they never have fixed anything, and they never will fix anything. If it really is a demographics issue then we should call it quits here and wash our hands of the place, because nothing will fix it. But i think there still is life in the board, it is just remains latent because there is nothing for it to work with.

>>20673112
Shit, I would totally read a noir book with you faggots

>>20675047
This board would be dead if every thread needed a specific point to go on. I’m not able to make high quality effort posts for some book I read once seven years ago. I’ll give my thoughts on what I remember though. Sometimes basic comments need to bounce around between a few anons before discussion opens up. I’ve seen many threads that were more or less a general about a book become successful. I think this board needs to get back to the basics and just have anons give their opinion on what they are reading. Lit needs to learn how to crawl before it can walk again. I mostly just lurk at this point and jump in when I see a thread on a book or writer that I’ve read to bump it. Outside of 10-20 meme books, I see very few threads. There is little incentive to make a thread on a more niche book because the numbers aren’t in your favor. I really think the situation is dire. The board has been going downhill for a while, but even a year ago you could have success discussing minor works if you posted at the right time. The quality of lit absolutely plummeted in 2022. I think it is past the point of no return because it really needs help from mods who never help as you’ve said. I’m gearing up to make the leap from here but it just sucks with nowhere else to go.

>>20672427
SEX SEX SEX