/lit/ - Literature

>>20621058
Any fantasy set in Hyperborea? Conan?

>>20621061
Wouldn't Russian fantasy be full of Hyperborea stuff? It's kinda about that setting iirc
Anyway, yet another thread that was archived before anyone could post the link. That just sucks.

This is sadly the most relevant drama we have had in some time. When fools and fakery become reality.
I enjoy how that one particular newfag throws a fit every time he's brought up, probably because CHING CHANG DING DONG TAO WONG has been discussed on /sffg/ longer than the guy has been on 4chan.

What the FUCK is the Ousters' problem?

gobbos.
love em.
simple as.

>>20621081
>"We'ez gonna getcha!"
>"We'ez gonna getcha!"
>"We'ez gonna getcha!"

FUCK YOU MODS
STOP DELETING OUR THREAD

Nearly done with the Unholy Consult. Thanks for memeing me into reading the series bakkerbros, wouldn't have given it a look without you :)

read cradle

>>20621128
No problem Bakkerbro, I'm glad you understand the power of Bakker, those who don't will forever rage and say its just memes, but theirs screams won't stop the Bakkerbros from reading it and appreciating the sublime prose of Bakker.

>>20621081
Any good goblin fiction? I write my own goblin poetry and liked Christina Rossetti’s The Goblin Market.

>>20621169
Truth shines.

>>20621166
the more you post the less likely I will read it

>>20621166
I will!

>>20621172
>Any good goblin fiction? I write my own goblin poetry and liked Christina Rossetti’s The Goblin Market.
The Wandering Inn seems to be go-to goblin fiction. Aside of that, probably 'The Iron Teeth: A Goblin's Tale.'

>>20621179
Truth shines, sandi whines

Simple as.

>>20621180
That's why he keeps posting it, retard.

>>20621201
yeah. twi is actually the reason why i posted this >>20621081
just read some nice gobbo chapters (5.20G)

>>20621172
The black company

>>20621058
what are some books that are good but not that good?
I want to read the really good ones but I am also looking for something to listen to as an audiobook while working out, so I will listen to those that are 'good but not that good'.

The Wheel of Time is my 1# candidate for now.

>TWI 5.23G
not exactly a big fan of laken attacking rags. i understand how it came to be but man this sucks. especially since bethel was about to negotiate with rags.

>>20621405
Good but not that good should be the shortest way to sum Paul Anderson. Unless the two novels of him I've read(The Sorrow of Odin the Goth and Three Hearts and Three Lions) were some kind of exception.

>>20621058
Has anyone read these? Are they any good? Someone said they were similar to Tolkien and the guy originally wanted to try and get them published as the sequels or some shit.

>>20621423
Sorry Poul Anderson

>>20621166
>>20621184
2 days left bros. We're going home.

>>20621411
>>TWI 5.23G
I believe this was the beginning of a major Laken hate movement in the readerbase. I mean, it sucks because we as readers know it was wrong, but from Laken's point of view it was an excellent choice. It was the right choice if he was attacking monsters, the only problem was he wasn't aware the goblins' weren't his enemies. If this was Lord of the Rings and Goblins were Orcs, no one would bat an eye. But you should finish the entire arc until talking about it, and that might take you still around ten more chapters.

>>20621423
Read Broken Sword. I swear it’s amazing.

>>20621481
yeah, that's just the problem with having a character, no matter how popular, attacking an even more popular character. or at least i imagine rags to be more popular, i certainly like her more.
but i will withhold my judgement for later i guess.

that being said, laken was only a 6-7/10 character for me even before this, because both he and the clown are kind of typical cheat skill isekai characters. their stories aren't NEARLY as compelling as say, toren, rags or geneva's stories.

I honestly can't decide whether or not this was good. Please give me an opinion.

>>20621516
turned me off the series

>>20621516
What this guy (>>20621522) said.

It was absolute dog shit. It went from animo kino to trash. 4th books is even worse somehow. He’s strategy is to literally milk reader’s curiosity by writing unreadable filler trash until the last book where all the cool Shinnovar shit is.

>>20621128
Savour it. Truly.

It’s already been confirmed that the Aspect Emperors might indeed be the end of the series. Even if it isn’t, He will only write the rest near his deathbed.

>>20621128
>PLEASE SPOIL THE ENDING TO ME
I don't know why you're like this

Fine
Kellhus dies

>>20621522
>>20621544
Yeah that sounds about right, gonna go re-read the hero of ages.

>>20621579
That’s utterly irrelevant in the greater scheme of things, and hardly a spoiler at all, though.

>>20621405
Mistborn, shorter than WoT
I don't listen to audiobooks much, but 14 books would be a lot to pay attention to audibly

This is so fucking bad

>>20621058
Can someone recommend me an author similar to Michael Crichton. I like thriller/historical epic type scifi

>>20621678
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/144790.Ice_Station

What does /sffg/ think of Urban fantasy? Used to like the Demon Accord series, but going back to it now I can't fathom why.

>>20621678
Vladimir Sorokin.

>>20621705
I have no issue with the concept but it's been taken over by YA authors who turned their brains to swiss cheese by overexposing themselves to twitter.

>>20621609
He's the central character of the entire saga how is this irrelevant?

Personally I just felt bad for Kellhus, I think he's a very tragic character, you can tell he was desperately looking for copes in Proyas and Esmenet but couldn't, he spent 20 years living under a sort of stress that instantly broke his sons Inrilatas and Koringhus

>>20621729
>What is the Outside
Are you sure we read the same series?

So nobody's saying it, but Bakker ACKed himself right? Dude just seemed so miserable I can only assume he decided to stretch his neck.

>>20621747
No, he’s still alive and well. But unfortunately his mother passed away last years, and he has been focusing on his family and raising his daughter. He will never return until he accomplishes that.

>>20621516
>>20621522
>>20621544
I quit reading the series after Oathbringer and every time I see my copy I contemplate ripping it up and pretending there are only two books in Stormlight Archive. I'm done with Sanderson. It's like he picked a number and decided that the series was going to be ten books long and had no fucking clue what he was going to use as filler to get there. The fans are awful too. They'll keep on praising it no matter how bad it gets. There are seriously people out there that are convinced that each new book is the best book in the series. The worst part is this is the first series I decided to collect trade paperbacks for. I was really excited to get my copy of Oathbringer. I couldn't wait. Then I read it. So disappointed.

>>20621729
How could you feel bad for him?
He was manipulating everyone then he got played himself at the end

>>20621747
Less chance of bakker finishing prince of nothing than grrm finishing asoiaf
Telling yourself otherwise is delusion

>>20621788
So it's a case of an artist surrounding himself with too many yes men? Many such cases.

Other than Book Depository is there another online book store where they don't charge shipping?

>>20621797
brainlet take

>The swimsuit portion of this human mating ritual is designed to entice the Chad-class males. The evening gown is to demonstrate their ability to mix with society, and the question and answer portion is to prove mental fitness. The goal of each pageant contestant is to attract the highest-quality male and have him inject them with his superior sperm in order to create the most viable offspring. After they receive the gift from a genetically superior male, they oftentimes find a lower-quality male, a “Beta,” to help raise the child.
>Judges for these pageants are usually a mix of ultra-alpha males and former contestants who are well past their prime.
>These women are oftentimes referred to as “roasties.” A roastie is common human parlance due to their genitals being irrevocably damaged by multiple sexual partners. These roasties are honored and desired only by the male beta members of society, as evidenced by my recent trip to an Arby’s-themed saferoom.

>>20621797
holy reddit

>>20621747
how can he be dead when he's just shitposting here 24/7?

>>20621829
Blackwells. Very good store.

>>20621747
he's alive, his brother posted an update recently

>>20620889
You can read the "look inside" blurbs on Amazon for most, if not all, of the self-published titles, and decide for yourself.

>>20621100
It wasn't deleted, it was archived based on number of posts.

>>20621797
>He thinks that Kellhus didn’t plan his own death.

LOL
LMAO even

>>20621833
>>20621845
Cuck brain

>>20621908
He didn't, that's the whole point of his deal with the devil. He didn't expect his son to appear and let the cabal overpower him.

>>20621673
why?

>>20621924
This is what being cucked by Kellhus looks like.

>>20621937
Holy Cope
He got outplayed

>>20621908
Is this what bakkerfags actually think?

>>20621959
>I didn’t read the books
We know, anon.

>>20621950
I accept your defeat.

>>20622024
>>20622019
facts;
>kellus died
>didnt expect his son to show up and ruin his plan
>thought he was going to defeat the no god until the last second

>>20622070
>He thinks he knows what was on the “smartest being to have ever existed” head.
NGMI

>>20622070
Seems to me that you got Dunyain’d.

Not only that, but you’re an actual retard if you don’t see how the conquering of the Outside is the only path to Salvation when he even stated that in the books himself.

Kellhus needs the No-God to weaken the Ciphrang.

You’re wrong. Just cope and move on.

>>20622070
>Kellhus died
Yes.
>didnt expect his son to show up and ruin his plan
You can’t prove this.
>thought he was going to defeat the no god until the last second
Not only can you not prove this, but your ass pull speculation has no basis whatsoever.

>>20622097
>>20622109
>>20622089
Based and Bakkerpilled.

>>20622109
>>20622097
>>20622089
Your headcanon is no worse than that anons, unless your claim is that kellus all along wanted to become a vessal for he nogod, cos that's what he did

>>20621828
That's my best guess. His editors and publisher are letting this shit hit the printing press. They should hire the team that made Star Wars: The Last Jedi to do the movie adaptation.

>>20621850
Thank you.

>>20622124
>Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong.
Accept defeat.

>>20622124
Stop speculating, it’s pathetic.

>>20622146
How is it speculation, its literally what happens.
Elaborate how I'm wrong or you should just concede defeat and stop replying.

This is going to be a shit thread with little discussion whatsoever.

>>20622159
No, not really.
I just did, your theory is pure speculation.

>>20622097
This is probably the most plausible outcome for the upcoming* series.

>>20622179
Yes, I see you did concede.

jolenta booba

>>20622204
Not my problem.

>>20622189
There is no upcoming series, it ended how it ended.

Why is fantasy viewed so poorly by most literary critiques?

The acceptor of defeats, its not his problem and he didn't ask.

>>20622189
It would be Kino to see the Outside desu. Although I don’t think that Kellhus is really dead. I think that he decapitated himself and trapped his own soul into one of his decapitants. We know he is capable of doing this because of what he did to Malowebi.

>>20622216
>He doesn’t know
Jokes on you.

>>20622225
Try asking this when /sffg/ has a new thread. This thread’s gone to shit and won’t have any discussion.

>>20622243
Try quoting properly. Maybe the thread won’t be so shit then.

>>20622223
Try asking this when /sffg/ has a new thread. This thread’s gone to shit and won’t have any discussion.

>>20622216
He’s already writing outlines, chud. Lurk moar.

Just saw Star Wars ep1, 2 and big parts of the animated series. I'm sold but give me the big boy books that are actually coherent and intelligent and less soi if possible.
No sentient droids with silicon microchips in their head, multiverse or crap like that.

>>20622322
Dune

>>20622223
Have you read any of it?

>>20622223
Because writers can use "magic" for the purposes of plot convenience. It's a crutch.

>>20621482
The Broken Sword is great.

>>20622223
It’s not, but good fantasy is actually called “fiction”.

>>20622350
>Because writers can use "magic" for the purposes of plot convenience. It's a crutch.
But that's nonsensical critique, all writers can use bullshit to further or resolve the plot. At most you could say that Fnatasy is more prone to doing that, which I am not convinced of.

>>20622459
> all writers can use bullshit to further or resolve the plot
They can. But whether they’re good writers or not is dependent on whether they can sell it properly. If I don’t find plot twists to be credible/believable, then the writer is most likely bad. This happens all the time in fantasy.

what do you think of larry niven?

>>20621411
I had the exact same feeling
I get that it makes sense and everyone thinks they're in the right etc etc
But it just sucks? There's already enough external enemies and conflicts around, to add to that two groups that we were in some way cheering for try to genocide each other is a bit eeeeh
Also, damn you read fast man

>>20622223
Because most of it isn't impressive from a technical standpoint, but also because academic literary critique is a fucking joke. The idea that someone who doesn't understand the appeal of an article can write a meaningful critique based on technical standards dreamed up by some other ivory tower cunt who doesn't get it either is so gobstonking retarded that you need at least 14 years of brainwashing to believe it.

>>20622223
they're pseuds

>>20622542
>This happens all the time in fantasy.
what?

>>20622663
This is true but I guess more fantasy critics are coming to the fore (however terrible some may be).
>>20622650
I do think that’s true but lots of sub fields have to be somewhat snobby because of the field. I used to study Modernist poetics and it was almost drilled into me that barriers of cultural production (kitsch at the bottom, literature defended at the top by an elite) went on or persisted somewhat. I’m all for people like Gene Wolfe now who claims Homer is fantasy, because it’s way better than the literary avant-garde in the current year who haven’t even read him (and Gene was a very nice man too).

I know this might be subjective anons, but is there a single book in sci-fi or fantasy that you feel is of such high quality that everybody should read it once if not multiple times? I absolutely could not tell you what my top five individual books would even be. I feel like saying, LotR is just a knee-jerk response on my part. Ender's Game seems to be the only book I keep coming back to and rereading multiple times over the years, but I believe that's mostly because of how much of an impact it had on me when I was younger.

>>20622720

>>20622720
The Second Apocalypse series, this >>20622724 and Dune come to mind.

>>20622720
I’m only going on about it because an Anon insisted I read it (since he knew what I’d like from info given) and I’m forever grateful ever since.

>>20622720
i don't believe in promoting good books to normies

>>20622732
The funny thing is that I have a copy of The Broken Sword I picked up from a used book store. It's just been sitting around for years and I haven't read it yet. I really need to read this asap. Thanks anon.

>>20622720
for me it's tigana but i'm unable to tell you why

Is malazan a good series. Want to get into an epic and decided on malazan.

>>20622726
Okay Bakker chads. I give in. I'll read some of his books. Dune fell a little flat for me when I first read it a decade ago.
>>20622746
This is the only place where I feel normal. Thank you for the ego boost.
>>20622757
I'll add Tigana to my list. I read a few of his books when I was a kid. I might appreciate them more now.
>>20622761
Malazan is easily my fave fantasy series at this point. I'm a couple hundred pages into Toll the Hounds. Gardens of the Moon gets shit on a lot, but I enjoyed it and can't wait to reread it.

>>20622720
I read LotR one time when I was 11 and have never felt the need nor desire to reread it since.

>>20622580
i've been binging a bit hard lately haha...

>>20622872
>i've been binging a bit hard lately haha...
How long ahve you been reading? I went from zero to early V7 in around three weeks.

>>20622911
i think 2-3 weeks? i'm in V5 now.

Anyone read Master Artificier by Justin Call?
|spoiler]Myjun is such a shitty character holy shit. Immediately asspull OP, immediately a genocidal maniac. Even taking into account grief and the magical cunt mask, this is ridiculous that she'd kill entire villages just because. I'm hesitating between dropping the book now of just entirely skipping her chapters. Nothing about her is decently written [/spoiler]

>>20623033
well fuck my spoiler i guess

>>20623040
>>20623033
>|spoiler]

>I fell for the meme

>>20623159
>The inn
Stopped reading there.

>>20623159
I hope when you drop it you join the ranks of those trying to get rid of the Wandering shit shiller.

>>20623159
I hung on for a few pages but nah
might read it when i lose half my brain to a car accident or something

>>20623033
just use ctrl+s next time bro

>>20623187
Thanks. Didn't know that so I guess this makes me a literal boomer retard.

>>20623159
Have the starting chapters been rewritten yet? I remember dropping it a few times because the writing style was so different and bad compared to the later chapters.

>>20621599
>Oathbringer bad
>Hero of Ages good
How do you exist? Hero of Ages is just a whole nothing book.

>>20623159
why is this bad?

In the spirit of July being Self-Published book month. I wanted to just shill my own self-published Science-Fiction book here and see if people are willing to take a gander and tell me their thoughts.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57327170-did-you-read-the-news
It's on KDP select, and also has physical and e-book options. If someone throws an email I'd be happy to gift an E-book. I want peoples honest opinions. If I'm gonna shill, I don't wanna shill for praise I don't deserve.

>>20623242
Come back when you’ve read more books.

>>20623261
:(

>>20623271
That was a recommendation, btw. I also developed a better taste after reading different authors, I used to think that Sanderson was a good writer, imagine that!

>>20623283
Sanderson is good for what he does. Easily digestible popcorn fantasy.

>muh prose

>>20623298
Yes.

>>20623245
>cyborg hand
post epub

>>20623159
Hope you enjoy it as much as I did! Post your impressions of it later.

>>20623245
>July [is] Self-Published book month
Is that a thing? Google seems to know nothing about it.

Are there any books like Robocop? i.e 80's futuristic, splatterpunk gangs, crime etc?

>>20623374
>[]
I've never understood this in literature because the bracketed words never seem like part of a sentence, unlike if you used parentheses or some shit. I don't get it.

>>20623421
Snow Crash almost veers into that territory. Unfortunately it's ruined by Stephensons gay autistic screeds about shit no one cares about.

>>20623422
The brackets means a word has been substituted, deviating from the literal quote, but preserving the meaning.

>>20623421
The granddaddy of all cyberpunk novels is "Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep" by Philip K. Dick.

I just finished The man in the high castle and the last part of the novel when Juliana consults the IChing in Abendsen house left me puzzled. If the allies won as the I-ching implies. Does that mean the whole novel was a fiction? What's the meaning of the Iching response?

>>20623312
It’s shit, I don’t know why you even recommend it.

>>20623421
>splatterpunk
Invented to add to the columbine psyop. Splatterpunk does not exist.

>>20623487
>It’s shit, I don’t know why you even recommend it.
It's one of the best fantasy stories I've read, and I've hundreds. I recommnd it to people because I believe they would enjoy it as well, had they opportunity to stumble upon it. Why would not share with others something that made me happy?

>>20623543
>It's one of the best fantasy stories I've read, and I've hundreds. I recommnd it to people because I believe they would enjoy it as well,
Well it just shows you have utter shit tastes. I read over 2k books, and Wandering Inn remains one of the most shit books I read in recent years. It's bloated beyond belief and the author rewards characters for making shit decisions. If the Inn actually wandered, or was magical, or the gobbo lovin slut was actually raped and killed, the series would have had a chance.
You can praise how digging your enemy's graves with your hands makes the gobbo slut have such depth, it just makes her look more like an austist assburgers having bitch.
You and her can shove an entire chess set up your asses.
Jesus fuck you don't know how much I want to visit violence on your person for shilling this shit to me (if it was you last year).

>>20623543
stop replying to retards

>Infinite plot armor until author decides It's Time
>Telegraph every arc and plot point well in advance, characters "just know" when they'll die, always with a purpose
>Contrived, anti-realistic situations always, worse than a typical DnD game even
>Infinitely ramping Power Levels and Ages. "Just add another level for excitement!"
>Letter salad names, always with apostrophes [namefag]
>Convoluted magic systems are the only innovation you'll find
>Always a The One or Captain of Light or somesuch author powerfantasy insert that obviously wins in the end
>Every other character a One in a Million Supermage/god such that it makes power feel meaningless
>DragonballZ in the Middle Ages basically
>Always dragons and an Elven Elder Race or two and a dozen+ polytheistic gods
>"Dude check out my amazing worldbuilding!" plus some cliche narratives tacked on
Why is fantasy prone to this? I won't get into the GotM-specific issues, as this is constant in the genre, with few exceptions.

Is it that genre authors with fresh ideas gravitate to scifi, so fantasy just becomes a swamp of middling talent DMs that don't understand how grounding a story and forcing characters to actually work through issues is enjoyable in a way that deus ex'ing their problems away with "surprise magic item" or "well actually he's a double secret supermage" or "infinity plot armor contrivance" isn't, and that really really really want you to learn all about their amazing new worldbuilding while copying every other worldbuilding and narrative example out there for the nth time with some twists?

I just want a comfy story with good writing that's not modern or futuristic.
LotR = great
GoT-ASOS = amazing
WoT = issues but worth it, despite most of above tropes

What next?

>>20623582
>stop replying to retards
Everyone deserves kindness desu

>>20623582
NTA but TWI posters are incredibly obnoxious. I don't mind you discussing among each other ITT, but don't have the gall to pretend this shit is even slightly good.

You enjoy it, that's fine. But pretending this is "good fantasy" is insulting to every semi decent author out there even fucking sanderson. If you NEED to shill it, shill it as what it is, some guilty pleasure with dogshit writing you happen to enjoy.

what was that one series where the entire world was a colossal sloping wall?

>>20623640
>If you NEED to shill it, shill it as what it is,
From what I understand, shilling is the issue, since the TWI posters keep shilling it at every opportunity, whenever someone wants a recommendation.

>>20623589
Erikson just took his college D&D campaign notes and forced them through a playdoh machine until it came out in the shape of a book.

>>20623671
I don't think anyone would have a problem if you shilled it as some bloated fantasy story with low level fanfic writing style. It was recommended to me as being great and I wasted too many minutes of my life reading the first few page.

Wouldn't have wasted the time if it had been properly advertised.

>>20623573
Tell me more about TWI and how shitty it is.

A coworker of mine was talking about it, and I want more reasons to hate him.

>>20622761
>Is malazan a good series
I have not enjoyed GotM (see >>20623589)
I'll add to that post with:
>Totally lacking important descriptions, or tosses them in 2/3rds of the way through the book - hard to visualize. For instance, introduces a new "great raven" gives absolutely zero hints as to its physical size; introduces a race of non-human barbarians, never really explains how they differ from humans save size and teeth filing; introduces an elder race tyrant that's the End Boss and the literal only physical description of him or his race is he has tusks. Clothing is utterly ignored, as are facial descriptions that aren't "scars" or fatness at most. I could go on. Martin might have spent a little too much time discussing food and dress, but I'll take that excess over literally nothing any day.
>Anthropologist author with paper thin cultures that don't go beyond "bugmen on dragonflies" or some fantasy mashup.
>Anthropologist author that commits painfully bad Medieval 101 type anthropological mistakes, like "medieval cities exist in an absolute vacuum and the surroundings are just wasteland because reasons". Clearly has thought through consequences of a society full of supermages zero percent as well.
>Magic healers at every turn make injuries "he has to rest for a few days" or "he's a bit tired, but not so much he can't fulfill his essential contrived deus ex bs anyway". Zero sense of danger or grounding.
>"the [high ranking official] questions their humanity"
>"the [random guy] ends up being the [Champion of Light] that has adamantium plot armor always"
>"the [character] is about to die from an obviously inescapable situation but [secret pocket demon] aha! He was never in danger"
>a dozen trope characters you'll find in every fantasy series, with middle execution of their arcs that all tie up perfectly in the end
>"aaand he's secretly... a Dragon!!!!"
jfc, at least there wasn't a lich in this one.
Sure, the magic system seems convoluted enough to be interesting, but that's insufficient to drive a saga that appears to be a mediocrely written derivative of earlier, better series.

>>20623679
I believe this.
Recommendations please. I don't know how Malazan got so hyped, or is the rest of the genre just that bad? It seems so, besides the three series I mentioned.
I can't find a new author for the life of me.

>>20623665
I only know of a singular book: Inverted World

>>20623715
lmao bro if you think GOT is amazing but malazan is bad I got a bridge of shit to sell you
erickson is not perfect and I like GOT, but the writing is just okay at best even if the story is good

>>20623715
honestly I haven't read these yet because of my backlog but they're traditional fantasy that I've been meaning to get to:
Riftwar Saga
Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn

>>20623471
It means nobody won WW2 in either universe.

>>20623715
try the wandering inn

>>20623640
i'd argue with you if your arguments were halfway sensible, but >>20623573 >>20623689 tells me that you're mostly hating on it just for the sake of it.
you basically even admit that you've barely read any of it. and despite that you have a really strong opinion on it. that's always a bad look in my eyes.

as for the shilling, i don't think it's being overly shilled. it's been mentioned countless times how it does take time to get going, and that it has a lot of 'bloat'. but past that it's still worth recommending imo.
on the other hand, your anti-shilling is far more disingenuous.
>muh good fantasy
>getting OFFENDED over TWI being praised
i can't be assed to deal with your dumbass issues. just learn to ignore it.

>>20623726
I've read 1 book in Malazan, and the author has presented me a comic book narrative with standard-issue characters, and a total detachment from any sense of grounding or danger. It's childish, YA tier.
Martin for all his faults wrote a never-finished series that is at least compelling, feels grounded, and doesn't lean heavily on its magical aspects, focusing instead on actually interesting narratives and novel situations as they come up fairly organically and letting them resolve dynamically with actual stakes. The same strengths lead to him being unable to finish, but he gave us 3 excellent novels in the meantime.

Tell me Malazan gets better after GotM. I'm set to read 1 more in the series, if it's not impressing me early on, into the trash it goes.

>>20623769
It has shit writing so I don't need to deal with a 100 pages to understand that. The prose is just terrible on an objective level. That being said as long as you preface all your future posts with "TWI has shit writing but I enjoy it", you may continue to soil this general with impunity.

>>20623797
try the wandering inn

>>20623665
Ringworld?

>>20623769
you're not making a very good case for the series

usually when someone on /sffg/ wants to shill a series, they'll post funny or interesting excerpts to lure in more readers, but so far you TWI shills only seem to squeal and fart with impotent rage

not gonna invest 50 hours into reading litrpg because "it gets good later on trust me bro the characters are so emotionally realistic" so go dilate or something

>>20623769
>you basically even admit that you've barely read any of it.
Only one of the post you replied to me me. I read Volume one after it was "published". That is literally a thousand plus page book. If you think me finishing book one in it's entirety (didn't skip anything) doesn't justify me having the right to an opinion of how shit this series is, and I should sink another few thousand pages (Volume 2-5), you can go neck yourself.

>>20623835
>I should sink another few thousand pages (Volume 2-5)

Considering this, you could reread Book of the New Sun and its coda for the same time investment or less, which you will enjoy much more.

Do any of Heinlein's book continue on have spacesuit, will travel's universe? That ending was neat

I continue to be in awe of those few who have for several years pushed their preferred series with relentless tenacity. Not only are there several places far more trafficked, they are less polluted as well. They not only ignore the scorn of their peers, but that of the enforcers as well. Truly their dedication denies the existence of common sense or propriety.

>>20623930
i'm more impressed at your ability to say vague nothings instead of being concrete, which would generate better discussion.

>>20623930
I believe the anonymous nature of 4chan offers some unique opportunities for the would be shills. Two or three shills can post round the clock in imitation of a single hyper dedicated shill. Likewise a single shill could appear as a multitude, trying to shift popular board opinion. There's also the ironic shill such as the Cradle poster, who deliberately posts bad fanart in hopes of dissuading would be fans of a work he especially dislikes. In a subreddit or discord without this anonymity one could be banned or blocked by other users and would need to make several sockpuppet accounts to achieve the same effect.

>>20623825
>usually when someone on /sffg/ wants to shill a series, they'll post funny or interesting excerpts to lure in more readers
lol. just lol. TWI aside, i couldn't disagree with this more.
sometimes it actually feels like you fags are deliberately trying to say nothing of worth and hide what it is that makes a book worth reading. there are tons of books and authors i've been introduced from this thread where i know absolutely nothing about them other than their titles and names.
i WISH this thread would do more "pitches", but rarely does my interest get piqued from posts itt.

Arthur...had a hard life.

>>20623976
With the spread of LitRPG, it's more important than ever to rely on excerpts over popularity.

>>20621079
Spooky globohomo spacefaring butterfly people

>>20624003
>like progression fantasy
>despise litrpg
There has to be more to this genre than Cradle and webnovels r-right guys?

>>20621166
>Characters are mutts
No thank you

>>20624024
When being a concern troll generally the goal is deception, so I can only assume this is a thinly veiled insult.

>>20621179
A light up your ass to find the toy your boyfriend Bakker lost somewhere deep inside your bowels lmfao

>>20621673
>Primordial vampires in spaaaaace
Yeah, I dropped this shit in a heartbeat

>>20624045
>The World is a fleshlight, /sffg/…

>And we are the coom.

>>20621705
I liked the Word and the Void series when I was younger, haven't read them in ages though

>>20623374
He probably means that the /sffg/ group on Goodreads is making July the month of self published books.

>>20621747
I sincerely hope so. Degenerate faggot author.

>>20622577
I'm a big Niven fan

>>20623849
Don't tell me what I will or won't enjoy, fag. A sodie burger and fries are superior

>>20624097
try the wandering inn

>>20624097
try the wandering inn

>>20624097
try a plate of shit (also called the wandering inn)

>>20622097
I'm not sure why people try to paint Kellhus as some 1000000000000 IQ gigagenius who played 12D Catan the WHOLE time dude. Kellhus was incredible bu he was still a human creature with human limitations. He was wholly ignorant of WLW and Sorweel, he got pranked at Dagliash, most importantly, both Sorweel and Kelmomas plotlines exist to set up his downfall. It is revealed that Gods are blind to No-God, and Kellhus struck a pact with a God. In the end he dies like a dog.

>>20624108
>>20624122
>>20624132
Shut up, samefag

You know guys, I actually like the idea of posting interesting excerpts from the story that would make people read it. I guess I'll just re-read the story yet again and make notes. Thanks for the advice, Anon!

Is CLARKESWORLD MAGAZINE worth paying for???

https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/

>>20624036
Nah, I unironically really loved Cradle and haven't found anything that quite matches up to it yet.

>>20621807
>just realized bakker is 55
Not that I wish anything bad on the guy, but if he were to go senile, I hope he does like Piers Anthony and continues to self-pub. That would really jive with his style.

>>20624207
Has he even written anything besides TSA and that techno-thriller?

>>20624198
is that supposed to be interesting

>>20624201
Are you unaware you can just click on that stories and read them? Paying is optional.

>>20621079
Doesn't matter. Take the book for its literary sci-fi feeling of dread/inevitable death and don't read further past the 1st one cause the real plot and world is disappointing.

>>20624247
First one is more hilarious than serious, they guy ejaculating while rolling away down the hill escaping from metal vagina from the future is top 10 most hilarious I've read. Idk what kind of pseud takes this book seriously.

>>20624198
>such burn
>much wow
>sad bread
>no butter
>lots funny
>plent entertain

Bros has anyone here read the wandering inn? Thinking of trying it but not sure if it's worth it, couldn't see anything in the threads about it.

>>20624349
>Bros has anyone here read the wandering inn? Thinking of trying it but not sure if it's worth it, couldn't see anything in the threads about it.

>>20624388
Its womens fiction its garbage only coomers read

Singapore looks like a neat location in Pirates 3, are there any books that have that kind of setting?

>>20624237
OH NO

>>20621079
>>20624247
>>20624265
I HATE THE WORLDWEB!

I HATE THE WORLDWEB!

After looking through various self-published works of all sorts then trying and failing to care, this will probably be the only one I'll write about this month >>20616684 and that had its various qualifications and hedging as well. I'll be reading one other self-published work but not writing about it. Maybe I will sometime for the series as a whole. May not be really any books at all that I read for rest of the month. The rest of the year is almost certainly going to be a much slower pace.

>>20624388
>isekai
>"young woman named Erin Solstice"
>LitRPG
>8 volumes, 9 million words
>"gets good around volume 5"

>>20624508
try the wandering inn

>>20622844
To be honest I haven't reread it since I was a kid either. That was so long ago that any opinion I have on LotR is about as valid as asking me which episode of He-man Masters of the Universe was my fave in the 80s.

>>20624508
>>isekai
>>"young wom...
stopped reading there

>>20622761
Malazan is great, but it is also a huge mess (on purpose).

Nascent souls make me imagine little chibi characters piloting fleshmechs

>>20624078
what er you favorite books by him? i've only read known space

The janny seems to be a TWI fan.

>>20624388
>isekai
>"young woman named Erin Solstice"
>LitRPG
>8 volumes, 9 million words
>"gets good around volume 5"

Webnovels and self publishing are the FUTURE of sff. Deal with it chuds.

>>20623779
No one likes GotM. It's an experiment in post-structuralist storytelling, and giving the lowbrow a highbrow treatment - something that works great in movies such as Pulp Fiction, but in literature so much of the tone exists only in the readers mind and is dependent on expectations, and frankly no one expects GotM. That said, one of the bigger problems with the novel is the theme of moral ambiguity, since you get not a one charactersto root for - and that is the big change for the rest of the series, which is very genocide-centric, and that naturally leaves much less room for moral ambivalence.

>>20624707
try the wandering inn

>>20624707
Gardens of the Moon was literally the only good one.

>>20623589
>>20623705
Is this going to be another session of "My epic fantasy series is better than your epic fantasy series?" because let me save you the effort. They are all shitty in their own way. WoT is probably the most boring series of books I've ever read. Stormlight Archive falls apart after two books. Tomes have been written criticizing Tolkien. Malazan happens to be my fave, but you really have to accept that Gardens of the Moon was written ten years before the next book in the series. It was originally a movie script that was reworked into a novel. It's a rough effort and most fans agree that it's one of the weakest books in the series. It's something you just have to get through. You can love it or hate it. Nobody is going to die on that hill. Having said that, I recommend anons get to the end of Memories of Ice before deciding on dropping the series.

>>20624716
There always has to be that one anon that wears socks with sandals.

>>20624744
>Memories of Ice

what a slog of slogs

>>20624699
this guy gets it

>---WhiskeyJack!---

>>20624349
TWI is an extended My Little Pony fanfic. If that's what you're looking for, go for it.

>>20624206
Cradle is unfortunately sort of the peak of progression fantasy, so to speak, because it clearly knows what it is and makes no aspirations to be more. Wight instead focuses on making the best version of itself, so to speak. He's not thinking this is a deep story, he knows it's very anime and fairly shallow.

>>20624819
Malazan is the biggest /sffg/ newbie trap.

The worst story by far is Josh V Brock, who slapped [Illegible] onto the letter he was inventing whenever he needed to avoid using his imagination, and put footnotes in that told the reader exactly what they were supposed to think and when. It tracks that the little about the author section he got mentioned that he was a vegan.
The good stories aren't that great. The vast majority fail to stick the landings. The Skinless Face introduces a really neat, creepy idea of this ancient statue that makes you see your own face on it and then instantly turns into a The Thing-style murder massacre. Dead Media literally stops halfway through where the author wrote himself into a corner to expedition dump the rest of the story.
I think you can safely give "Lovecraftian" horror a miss, and just read Lovecraft and his buddies, or stuff that has evolved from Lovecraft rather than deliberately trying to be him.
The story with the machine learning Lovecraft AI plugged into a guy's brain was cool. He even said nigger.

>>20624879
Lovecraft copycats are all pretty shit because they abandon the theme and mood while focusing on the superficial elements.

The absolute best Lovecraftian authors are the guys who did their own thing like Laird Barron.

For me, it's Itkovian and Trull Sengar.

>>20624931
try the wandering inn

I'm close to the finale of DCC 3 and I'm curious to see how insane the ending is, much less how books 4 and 5 expand and top it. This is the first series I'd classify as a 'page-turner' that I've read in some time.

>volumes 6 and 7 of He Who Fights With Monsters aren't on libgen
>too sick of Earth stuff to put any more effort into looking for them
I need to read more litrpg to confirm it, but I'm starting to form a theory on what elements helped them get so popular. At the very least this particular series is impressive for how well it's constructed as a commercial product.

>>20624903
hey man....im not a fucking worm.

For me, it's Ultra Strong Mystery Dude with Legendary Weapon.

>>20624969
I read an interesting interview by the author of that series some time ago. I don't have interest in the books themselves though.

>>20624969

>anime website
>doesn't like malazan

>>20624903
Agreed.

>>20624969
I have six on audio but haven't read it due to same reasons. I doubt I would agree with your theory. They aren't addictive and unless there's a real story you can drop them.This series hasn't been compelling for several volumes. Six is where it will prove if it's even interesting. To get why the genre is good, read one with an ending, not one that peters out midflight. Progression does work as a crutch, but it can't replace everything.

>>20625022
>Anime website
>Doesn't like Cradle

>>20624604
>I was a bad writer on purpose guys, see how meta I am?
How brave.
>>20624707
>one of the bigger problems with the novel is the theme of moral ambiguity,
That didn't even make my top 10 for issues with the writing. It was refreshingly absent.
So it gets worse.
>>20624744
>It was originally a movie script
It's on par with typical Hollywood scripts. Checks out. Was Bay supposed to direct Gardens then?
>>20624854
This is 100%

I'm honestly getting close to just writing my own garbage self-published series, because apparently you don't need skill in this genre, and I'm sick of having to fumble around trying to find a worthy successor to WoT, which isn't even that high a bar.
I'll call it The Meandering Tavern. It'll be great guys.

>>20621405
Gandalara Cycle
Decent Conan/dessert adventure saga with a unique isekai twist. Even has the typical 4th book slump. Great bedtime read when you're comfy and stoned.

Okay, On Blue's Waters is sick. I just finished the part where he meets Seawrack.
I love how Wolfe chose to revisit the motifs of sister planets and shapeshifters from Fifth Head of Cerberus which is my favorite book by him so far. I'm hooked.
I just can't believe...what the FUCK is Silk doing pretending to be Horn, or vice versa? lmao. I don't actually want an answer, you shouldn't read that spoiler unless you've read this book, it's just funny. Something extremely weird is going on.

>>20625022
Even being drawn, anime has less 2 dimensional characters than Malazan though.

>>20625004
Congrats, you put in more effort than me.
>>20625044
I'm sure you're right about the quality, but my theory has nothing to do with it being good or engaging. But again, I'll need a larger sample size to see if what I'm on to is a commonality or just an element that worked for this particular series.

>>20621405
WoT is too irritating to fill that role.

>>20625056
You should reread Fifth Head of Cerberus (and it's other two stories) as a refresher before you continue.

>>20625103
Yeah, that's along the lines of what one could figure out by this point. So it's a matter of how fucked up this situation is going to get. I don't want these characters to be killed and replaced by inhumi. The Saint Anne abos are endearing, the inhumani are disgusting monsters that need to be genocided. Idgaf if Quetzal was chill.

>>20625156
I just realized that of all the stories I've read about space vampires, all of them have been excellent.

>>20623705
Pretty sure raest is doing the nudey rudey
Jaghuts are in my mind, kind of like wow orcs but taller and slimmer, yet with tusks more like wow trolls.

>>20624707
I did like gotm, it what got me wanting to read more Malazan.

are there any sci-fi stories where elves and such are created by humans as worker classes?

>It became a steel cave, a tremendous, self-contained cave of steel & concrete

THE black Company

>>20625272
Crest of the Stars and Banner of the Stars.

>>20625299
>>20625299
tragic end for goblin, but I don't remember, was.he himself at all in the end after returning?

>>20625299
He may have been a pedophile that wanted to bang his adopted daughter, but Raven was a good man.

>>20625369
Raven was not a good man, he just had a soft spot for darling and a few of the company.
Good people don't work for the limper and they don't go round murdering people and selling bodies to vampires for cash.

>>20624637
Ringworld books with the possible exception of Ringworld Throne

Who was the most tragic character in the black company series? Or met the most tragic end

>>20625397
Mogaba.

>>20625397
Cordey Mathers
Just wants to open an inn and brew beer with your bros till you get old, instead gets roped into a war then a relationship with a woman that doesn't respect him but keep him as a boy toy, then again when going along with his bros he's imprisoned in stasis only for his own stasis to weaken. Thinking he's free he struggles to escape and starves because he got lost down there while the rest of the people survive because they are in stasis

>>20625423
Felt pretty bad for him by the end but he did kinda bring it on himself
Based for how he played soulcatcher at the end tho

2MSurprised they still haven't done a black company show, there's only a handful of white people by the time they go south

>>20625441
What race were the shadowlands natives meant to be?

Taglios's ethnic/religious groups seemed to be a mix of Thai, indian and Arabs right?
The swamp Asians were clearly vietnamese

>>20625441
>2MSurprised they still haven't done a black company show,
There was one on the works a while back with Eliza Dushku set to play The Lady. Haven't heard any news about it recently so it was probably scrapped.

>>20625459
she looks like lanfear

>>20625393
i think when taken individually each ringworld book is a fine read, specially the first two but as a series you can't tell it wasn't planned to be one

>>20625467
The forsaken are basically a copy paste of the ten that were taken, desu

>>20625272
The Last Castle by Jack Vance

>>20621166
I have and I will continue to

>>20625500
true jordan was a hack

>>20625459
reminder she looked barely legal while croaker was in his thirties

>>20623589
>>Letter salad names, always with apostrophes [namefag]
I'll never understand this complaint specifically. Is it an Anglo thing?

>>20625774
It's a cliche and it's extremely cringe, especially in Malazan where it's overused. You have shit like K'chain Che'mal sharing a scene with T'lan I'mass and Drivers. It's straight up nonsense.

>>20625763
Yeah and he was so writing smut between himself and The Lady. Come to think of it Croaker also had a dream he was raping underage girls... guess he has a type.

>>20625791
i mean
to be fair in malazan its used only in certain and usually the ancient cultures naming, i wouldn't call it overused when you conisder the scope

none of the bridgeburners have letter salad names
neither the crimson guard aside from kazz himself

>>20625423
Mogaba was sadly the end result of a dig swinging warrior culture remaining "pure". It was almost inevitable he would clash with the existing Company.

>>20623589
black company
yeh there is strong magic but its not really used as a mystery ass pull

>>20625807
Yea I'm pretty sure sindawe said that mogaba always thought croaker was weak and had ambitions to take over even before dejagore

>>20623849
>pic

Bullshit. I don't even eat mcdonalds and I know a big mac meal combo is like $6 whereas all that other stuff is going to end up being closer to twice that or more.

>>20624141
>Kellhus literally outplays a God
>Ajokli gets so fucking mad that he inhabits his nemesis
>Still believes that he couldn’t see the WLW
LOL
LMAO even

>>20625806
>none of the bridgeburners have letter salad names
>neither the crimson guard aside from kazz himself
ALL of the Bridgeburners have word salad names except for Kareem, it's even a joke. It's why they use nicknames. Whiskeyjack is Iskar Jarak for example. They don't abuse apostrophes, but it's still definitely word salad.

>>20625817
A big mack meal is about $16.50 where i live.
>t. Eats way too much fast food

>>20625441
I just wish there was more Black Company after Soldiers Live. They introduced some characters I had no received interesting fan art.

>>20625346
If I remember correctly he had his faculties just before getting log nuked along with the vampire cunt goddess. Either way he was happy to be dying.

>>20625369
Raven didn't love Darling like that, but she wanted him to. They state in the book that he loved her like a daughter but her love for him was less platonic. He was her knight in shining armor.

>>20625385
They weren't vampires they were 'demons' and I don't think they ate the bodies, they fed them to the castle to strengthen the connection to the Dominator so he could escape with out having to be dug out of the barrow.[/spoiler

>>20625819
There's literally nothing to indicate that by the end he saw the WLW, sorwheel or kellomanas.

>>20625820
Iskar Jarak isn't what I'd call word salad not is it relevant since he goes by whiskeyjack throughout
It's only after they ascend in the future he's reffered to as iskar Jarak by normies.

For the rest, I just checked the wiki to refresh myself and they are as basic as I remembered
Quick Ben, kallam, fiddler, hedge, trotts, mallet, sorry, bluepearl, loss, Corinn, monkrat, spindle,

Then the main crimson guard

K'azz, skinner, shimmer, mara, petal, greymane, cowl, smokey, cal-brinn and kyle

>>20625841
He did love her romantically once she got older but she didn't
She fucked silent then cucked him too

>>20625423
I hated this li'l nigga like you wouldn't believe.

>>20625397
I'd say Goblin or Silent.

>>20625850
>mfw Silent speaks

>>20625456
The shadowlands are definitely Fantasy India/Pakistan, with their three religions probably meant to be Hindi, Sikh, and mudslime. The swamp Asians are literally from another dimension, though they're definitely some version of SE Asian.

>>20625847
>There's literally nothing to indicate that by the end he saw the WLW, sorwheel or kellomanas.
Nor the contrary.

>>20625862
>>20625862
Ah by shadowlands natives I meant the ones further south, that were first taken over by the shadowmasters

I remember they spoke a different language and they were smaller in size but don't remember if their culture was touched on

>>20625866
Except that he got btfo and was shocked when his son showed up in the final moments

>>20625849
You're right, now that I think about it I vaguely remember that part in The Silver Spike where he decides he's going to try and make it up to her and finally be the man she wants him to be or some shit.

>>20625872
So, are you just going to be a retard and argue with someone who clearly doesn’t give two shits what happens in the story?

>>20624141
Kellhus was a prodigy, even for the Dunyain. Regardless of what you might think. He had 20 years to plan his conquest of the Outside. Which is why he sends his best generals ahead of him. The ordeal was nothing more than a false flag operation to deliver the No-God, weaken the Ciphrang and confer with his brothers in order to decide on how to proceed. He had to make sure they wouldn’t fuck his plan in the afterlife.

But if you want to go full 10kIQ, go no further than assuming that Kellhus is not actually dead. Look at >>20622233.

>tfw you will never be a 1000yr old wizard with an uncontrollable urge to literally reeeeeee every 10seconds content to live as a god in a swamp among midgets and crocodiles playing pirates

Howler bros...

>>20625872
This is what being cucked by Kellhus looks like.

>>20625872
>>20625877
>I’m smarter than Kellhus
LOL
LMAO

>>20625879
>”Always another Use”
Based high IQ Bakker enjoyer.

>>20625869
Shit, forgot about them. They're barely mentioned if I remember right. They were basically described as a broken people, right?

>>20625887
I mean they are mentioned a lot they make up the main enemy army, I'm just not sure if they also followed the same religions as the other groups there or had their own

>>20625872
Kellhus won, buddy. He’s on his way to become the God of Gods now.

The howler must have known both lady's and soulcatchers real names right? How come they let him live?
We're carpets really so hard to figure out? Seems like a huge risk and out of character for them.

Maybe because they didn't know his, since he was the howler even when they were kids?

>Kellhus
>Shocked
Holy KEK

>>20621747
he's still alive, as best anyone can gather. last i'd heard, he was struggling through a pretty obvious pain medication addiction and failing to find gainful employment beyond the community college system.

his publisher and agent dropped him after the stupid shit he pulled with TAE series (astroturfing a far greater fanbase than actually existed, writing a sprawling mess of a series that didn't make anywhere near the return he claimed it would, etc.)

he spends most of his time bleating about drumpf into the electric void, as if he, by virtue of being an enlightened and progressive uber alles canadian writer, has some unique perspective on american politics.

dude needed an editor and someone other than his brother and the brainwashed fags over at 3 seas forum to read his ARC. alas, he did not, so we're left to ruminate on what might have been...

>>20625903

>>20625900
it's more that he was an absolute master of flying carpets and no one even came close

>>20625903
Funny part is these people coming out with logical outcomes on their end when so much was left to be told. There have to be so many outlines for his chain of though that it’s not even funny. I love Bakker.

>>20625910
>K-Kellhus
>S-speaking l-like t-this w-without a-a r-reason
LOL
LMAO

>>20625910
Jesus Christ, take the hint already. They don’t care.

>>20622109
how can you square the events in the golden room once kelmomas shows up? kelly sr. has his little dance off with the shades of shaeo and his minions, only to suddenly have the tables flip once kelly jr. appears.

he even says something expressing his surprise at seeing his son there. which, as should be obvious to every bakkerfag, he can't see because kelly jr. is moggy and temporality is irrelevant. same reason he couldn't see the OG WLW or Sorwheel after he's possessed by fat milker fertility goddess. this time there wasn't someone else there to save him.

instead of going full dunyain and killing his progeny, he relents at esmi's request, thus sealing his doom. an unsubtle theme of bakker's that emotions cloud the brain ("decision-making apparatus you have inside your head, tee-hee" - that absolutely retarded author) and only by mastering the darkness that comes before can you succeed.

>>20625926
Are you still going?

>>20625926
Pro tip: The only reason he ever relents to Esmi is to tap into Cishaurim sorcery

Also: If you still haven’t figured, the real world if of almost no consequence in the greater scheme of things. The Outside is where the real war for the absolute will take place

>>20625926
Saying that Kellhus was oblivious to the WLW’s existence is just dumb.

What do you guys think of the first chapter in my Fantasy story?

https://litter.catbox.moe/mgd0yl.pdf

>>20625988
You posted in the wrong general, the writing general is that way >>20625111

>>20625926
>>20624141
This is what reading books literally does to you.

>>20625988
Very gay

What if Anasûrimbor Koringhus‘ son is the one that King Celmomas prophesied about?

That would be Kino, ngl.

Why am I supposed to like Yennefer when she can't have kids and underwent the process of infertility for her own "career"? She's like the fantasy equivalent of getting tubes tied.

>>20626001
Thank you.

>>20625948
Truth Shines!

>>20625926
>Says ”Bakkerfag”
>Low IQ take
Like pottery.

>>20626037
Left ambiguous for a reason.
It also could have been his dad, since he was the first to come south and in a way set everything in motion.

>>20626079
>Why am I supposed to like Yennefer when she can't have kids and underwent the process of infertility for her own "career"? She's like the fantasy equivalent of getting tubes tied.
Yennefer didn't want to be infertile. Most sorcereresses are, but just by becoming magical. But the story has a lot of excerpts talking about ideas such as this, i.e. a sorceresses talking about every academy graduate being sterilized. It's just feminist discourse from 3-4 decades ago, and not even from America, but from Europe liberals.

>>20626157
Dude, what? His dad (The Survivor) is dead.

>>20623219
The problem with Oathbring is its lack of focus. Hero of Ages has the literal exact opposite problem.

>theoretical physicists killing themselves because their models don't align with experimentation
Wait a minute, I thought this was supposed to be a shitty book. Not too far in, but it's pretty fucking based so far.

>>20626192
Didn't the prophesy say an anamsurbur would return?
Kellus's dad was the first amasubur to come south right

>>20626229
Buddy, you’re confusing Kellhus’ dad with Kellhu’s son (The Survivor).

>>20626229
Koringhus =/= Moënghus

New thread
>>20626357