/lit/ - Literature

I don’t think anyone’s written about it yet. Aside from Maupin’s Breadtube book, and all the whistle blowing from Snowden and Chomsky’s generalized book on their propaganda

https://youtu.be/4GI7lMPPmgc

Yes, butterfly posting w/o name atm. Have a good weekend guys

>>20612665
It's not more complex than it is. Proud atheists are smug and dumb.

>>20612665
>Books on how the "fedora" stereotype is a psyop by theist liberals to combat socialism?
What are you even talking about? Liberalism and Socialism are two heads of the same monster. Why would you think that they oppose each other?

>>20612771
You’re an idiot. Liberalism is a thing that promised freedom for the masses, but it was actually just for the merchant class and their rule of markets. Socialism was a reaction to that failure and has been trying to supplant it. You’ve fallen for a classic disinformation campaign and don’t understand all the differing idealisms floating around.

Socialism is the shadow of liberal capitalism. The adoption of some socialist programs was meant to fix the inherent problems their system has. They are in fact at odd with each other

>>20612843
You're obviously right that socialism is a response to the displacemnt of the Industrialized Man. Mainly the fall of aristocracy,and replacement of them by the new bourgeois,factory owning class that berely differed from those they've exploited. Socialism would've never exsited without liberalism and the changes it brought to the World.

>>20612871
A proto-socialist was ever present though.
That being the lower class peasant who wishes to escape the confines of the empire/kingdom/state. Their communes inspired the modern ones. They would draw up their bridges, close the gates when hired mercenary knights would insist on taxation for their “lords”.

>>20612951
I'll elaborate whether peasant rebellions could be compared to socialism.

>>20612951
Why is it that people who have no clue what they’re talking about are so confident? Even Marx never called medieval communes “proto socialist”, and they were never peasant communes.

>>20612665
The fedora stereotype is a merited reaction to the new atheists

>>20613011
I prefaced it “proto”. This wasn’t even confined to European Middle Ages. This is the natural inclination of all peoples to escape the pressures of “civilization”. Yeah, they aren’t socialists, duh. Socialism is that same tendency in all oppressed peoples to escape that oppression. I don’t give a fuck if Marx figured that out or not. We know it now.

>>20613076
No it’s not. It’s a meme by a bunch of lordcucks

>>20613315
No, it was created because a bunch of overweight guys with bad hygiene posted non-stop about how evil religion was. You can still visit r/atheism today to get an understanding of why everyone, even atheists, decided to make fun of them.

>>20612731
Maupin is literally a christoid
you're so stupid

>>20614003
What’s that to do with anything?

>>20612951
>That being the lower class peasant who wishes to escape the confines of the empire/kingdom/state.
Most of them preferred to stay within these confines because going outside of them would lead to a lack of protection.
>They would draw up their bridges
Peasants and farmers did not have draw bridges
>lose the gates
They didn't have gates
>hired mercenary knights
There are no such thing as hired mercenary knights. You don't know what you're talking about. Tax collectors were usually not even armed themselves, and revolts only occurred when the produce of a season was too low to support taxes, much of the time taxes would be temporarily reduced to accommodate a lower yield. Most people are happy giving up some of their produce to live in a relatively lawful society; the modern world is ample evidence of that. You'd prefer to pay taxes than subject yourself to lawlessness and the relative poverty of a non-cohesive society.

>>20612665

>theist

Deist liberals, at best, but more likely wannabe autotheists who're ironically utterly afraid of themselves.

>>20614010
History is written by the victors. And the protection racket can be just as restricting or deadly sometimes.

Besieged independent communities would actually harvest their grains as quick as they could and hide in the main stronghold with the rest of them

>Medieval architecture didn’t invent gates yet
‘Kay

Knights are like cops. They like the booty like any pirate, except they most often worked for a bossman. If taxes were light and everything was peaceable, why be a squeaky wheel? Yes, some peasants allowed themselves to be yolked. Duh. But the natural tendencies remain. We don’t need protection rackets, wars, and severe class divisions. It isn’t the natural way of things. This doesn’t need to be in a book. We just gravitate towards it.

>>20612665
Pride makes you into a fool and there's nothing more prideful than a fedora tipper who knows nothing of the history of religion and thinks they have a monopoly on logic.

>>20612665
Jealous of that hairline and hair texture. I want to have wavy kino silver hair with an NW1 hairline into old age

>>20614057
>>Medieval architecture didn’t invent gates yet
That's not what I said. Peasants and other farmers lived in hovels, they did not have and were not capable of constructing significant fortifications. The Norman aristocrats brought complex stone architecture to England in 1066, and were the only ones building these structures, for themselves. The Anglo-Saxon aristocracy had wooden motte and bailey types, but these were still reserved to the upper ranks because they required coordination and central authority to build.
>Knights are like cops.
No, those are sheriffs, ealdorman, magistrates and tax collectors. Knights are horse breeders and specialized mounted warriors. Usually it was landless knights with no title who would wander the more lawless regions of Europe trying to eek out some land for themselves or harass unarmed peasants and steal their produce, but they would rarely stay in these cases, they would simply take the booty and move on somewhere else. This was a relatively rare occurrence as well, the most significant was conducted by landless Normans who were invited to Italy by the Lombards with promise of booty from the conquest and plunder of Greek land in Italy.
>But the natural tendencies remain
It's the natural tendency of any being, human or animal, to fight for its right to live when its existence is threatened. But this isn't socialism. Usually their existence is not threatened, and they are more than content to live in their own way.

>>20614068
>there's nothing more prideful than
A Christian. Unrighteous smugnorants. It’s so ugly seeing it repeatedly. I wish your god was real so he’d put you in your hell. Why not? You wish it on all of us.

>>20612843
> Liberalism is a thing that promised freedom for the masses

As opposed to libertarianism?

>>20612951
The things that turn right back into a State? You think it’s avoidable within a community?

>>20614096
>I didn’t say that. peasant gotta stay on his farm in case of attacks
I see. Should have expected this.

>>20614121
Yeah. Actual libertarian-socialism, not that market fundy shit which is still just capitalism

>>20614125
Civilization is a spreading cancer. The name itself is a lie. Communities that have run away from it and reestablished themselves did rather well. It’s been spotty, but a mindful community can uphold new traditions. Hybrids can be made too.

>>20614149
Are new traditions not an abstract of the state? Who’s going to uphold the traditions?

>>20614009
fucking everything

>>20612665
>Books on how the "fedora" stereotype is a psyop by theist liberals to combat socialism?
It isn't.

>>20614113
>no u, REEEEEEEEE
Why is it so easy to trigger atheists?

>>20612771
>the entire world is everyone happily working together to undermine the faithful
I wish we could live in this kind of dystopia.

>>20614175
seethe

>>20612665
>psy op

>>20614149
>Civilization is a spreading cancer.
Cancer only consumes and cannot actually produce anything - it requires a functional, self-sustaining body to proliferate in, and once the body gets too sick, the cancer dies along with it.

Civilization, meanwhile, doesn't require pre-industrial communities to survive and generally couldn't care less about them, aside from sometimes looking to their land in order to steal it.

>Communities that have run away from it and reestablished themselves did rather well
...until they entered contact with civilization once more, and had to either run away again or perish. Might as well say that Marsupials or the Soviet Union "did rather well".

>>20615733
>Cancer only consumes and cannot actually produce anything - it requires a functional, self-sustaining body to proliferate in, and once the body gets too sick, the cancer dies along with it.
Such is the fate of life on earth under this imbalance

>… until they entered contact with civilization once more
Yes, they’re sometimes recaptured. Pretty much all of them have been by now, and then they’re forced back into the system that destroys their refuges
The Soviet Union was also a part of the system. I don’t think you understand what we’re talking about

>>20615720
Jack shit posters confirmed for NSA sock