/lit/ - Literature

>>20459848
I hate pride month

>>20459936
I love Bakker

For me it's Worms of the Earth.

Ah - a fresh brainlet thread. How is it going this fine afternoon, brainlets?

>>20459987
A strong and masculine grin.

>>20459157
>Btw, doesn't /sffg/ have its own goodreads books to read every week or something? Why aren't people discussing them?

It began with an anon who had the thread pick a monthly book. The book was then discussed in a thread at the end of month and only ever that thread. Only a few ever participated and then it was almost always short single posts. Around a year later that anon quit. I made the Goodreads group around the time he quit. The thread continued on for a couple months more out of inertia.

Then someone started the discord server. I put the books that were chosen there as the book. Sometimes it was monthly, sometimes it was twice or four times a month. Discussion ensued in the server far more than there ever was in the thread. However, even then it was mostly only ever two people did so, myself and the server founder. Sometimes others joined. This went on for roughly two years. I copypasted some into Goodreads group

Eventually I left the server and since the start of this year or so have been putting just whatever in the hopes that maybe members will see something that I've read or posted as decoration, because that's all it really is at this point. I would've discussed in the thread rather than the discord server, but that's not where discussion for what I've read or have interest in. There have been other difficulties as well. I tried discussing, but there was almost never any response. That's just how it is and I'm fine with that now. It's understandable that people want to have full control over what and how they read.

It's interesting what I see in my activity feed on GR, which allows for basic monitoring of the results of what I do. I also can see other trends. Just recently four members finished the same book at the same. I don't know how much they discussed it though. I'd assume from some other /lit/ group. On a different note, rarely does anyone say anything actionable and/or constructive so I just as I do. I'm entirely open to suggestions about whatever.

If anyone goes through the mega in the OP a lot then it should be evident that I'm not overly concerned about the nature of what's included.

TL;DR: No.

>>20460056
All is well. How you, tranny?

>>20460003
based
lovecraft was right when he said it was one of howard's greatest stories

>>20460003
Based Mak Morn.

>>20459848
Orphan Black - The Next Chapter Season 2 (2021-2022)
Season 2 written by Madeline Ashby, Lindsay Smith, E.C. Myers, Malka Older, Heli Kennedy, and Mishell Baker.

Season 1*: >>/lit/thread/S17470514#p17470531

This was calm by comparison to the previous season and the latter seasons of the TV series, but I liked that. Sometimes it becomes overdramatic. As with the first season it remains an ensemble cast. I'm not really in favor of there being an in-universe book called "Orphan Black", an autobiography originally marketed as science fiction that chronicles everything that has happened, minus the parts that would send them to prison. That's mostly because it's just added in as fanservice, but unlike the various other fanservice scenes, it didn't resonate with me.

Following the events of the first season, which was eight months ago, clones have been outed and serve as a stand-in for marginalized people with a few differences. The antagonist is a Goop-like cult of personality with a dark side. They peddle platitudes and junk products to lure vulnerable members in to more easily exploit them. There's various mentions of contemporary issues, some political poking, and memes now and again.

Although this is meant to be a serialized audio work I once again read it instead. I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes. A lot of times it reads more like a script than prose, but that didn't detract overly much for me. There were a few typos and misused words, but I'll say that was because it was meant to be listened to. Yes, I'm quite biased in its favor.

Rating: 3.5/5

*4 may have been too high for the first season, probably 3.5. Maybe even rounded down, for both. It's difficult to know due to bias.

>>20460198
>written by Madeline Ashby, Lindsay Smith, E.C. Myers, Malka Older, Heli Kennedy, and Mishell Baker.
Jesus fucking christ, what the fuck

>>20460216
I know, one would think it would be more economical to have one person write it than to have a writer's room approach.

>>20460249
It would have been more economical if roasties done what roasties do instead of getting involved in literature. You missed the point entirely.

>>20460285
I hope you're not being serious in thinking that I didn't understand what you meant and choose a more amusing response. What use would there be in chiding you for your cherished beliefs?

>>20460318
You could least pretend not to be shitty liberal for a post or two.

>>20460345
What would you like a monthly theme to be?

>>20460374
You can celebrate pozzed tranny author history month, I don't care as long as you keep all that garbage on goodreads and don't post any of it here on /sffg/ you can have whatever theme you want.

Somebody recommend me Nietzschean fantasy?

>it keeps getting bleaker
Goddamn.

>>20460477
mein kampf?

>>20460551
Edgy drivel. Why do people bother with this kind of shit?

>character name ends with N
>character name begins with R
Is my lizard brain trying to separate the good from the bad based on this simple premise? Why? What does it know that I don't?

>>20460574
Same reason they bother with women, progressive and anti white kind of shit. People are retarded.

>>20460574
>>20460618
Settle down, ma'am. Words can't hurt you.

>>20460616
>Reggin
a fine name

>>20460633
God-Emperor Maebreggin

>>20460634
Tahwreggin?

>>20460652
Low quality chart, consider removing women authors to improve it.

What's your favorite Sci-Fi books?

>>20460652
The Prydain Chronicles is one of the greatest fantasy series of all time, you butthead.

>>20460665
>women unequivocally bad writers
This simply isn't true. Robin Hobb, and especially Ursula K. Le Guin are great authors, the latter perhaps having the most literary merit of all the female SFF authors.

>>20460677
if that were true it wouldn't be in D

>>20460691
Real talk, I don't know how anyone could possibly dislike the series unless they consumed nothing but grimdark fantasy 24/7.

>>20460699
i dunno i've never read it, but the list says so, so

>>20460702
hard to argue with that honestly, also its my first time hearing about the series so it cant be that good

>>20460679
>Robin hobb writes about queerness, the magical system is based on gay issues irl.

Explain to me, why would I, a normal person would want to read garbage like that, if she is such a great author cant she write a great story without bringing up all this gay nonsense? Or was it written to normalise in fantasy setting and introduce these issues to a conservative reader in a way that would make him think and reconsider his worldview?

>>20460739

>>20460739
Regardless of what you may think, not everything is a meant to be used in service of a war of ideology.

>black and/or female author
I do not read that book.

>>20460739
>>20460743
Can you even read what you post here?
"Scholars have described it as a parable for..." So basically it is an interpretation, not what the writer says. Thank you for you opinion. Next!

Back from my fraudulent ban in desperate need for more loli science fiction and fantasy stories.

>>20460826
You can find it in /a/

>>20460758
No one cares, no one asked. Go back >>>/pol/

>>20459848
Aliens be like
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Dritoklines1-6.5.wav

>>20460838
King of /lit/, speaking
He can stay

Loliposter dances on my strings, just like the rest of you.

>>20460862
holy kino, based

>>20460864
I take my words back. I do not control /sffg/ and I never did. All praise Bakker!

Only I can comprehend the Thousandfold Thought. Only I (ITT) have mastered the Logos.

>>20460826
Enjoy your new ban.

>>20460889
Then, how are you still alive?

Post kellus_1 through _3

I love sucking dick

>>20461044
Bros...

>>20460867
Thank you for using a name so I can filter you.

Filtered

>>20461027

The absolute abhorrent state of this thread.

>>20461272
Just report the bakkerspammer for his low-effort spam. It'll clean the thread up somewhat.

Any fantasy with LOTS of dialogue and LOTS of characters? Almost like a theatrical script.

>>20461285
The Second Apocalypse.

>>20461027

>>20461027
last one

>>20461285
Dune

>>20461285
The Holy Bible.

They really drew an Inchoroi Synthese as a fucking basedak

>>20461276
I don‘t see any spam desu.

>>20459987
Soooo... this guy is a homosexual deviant, right?

>>20461380
Do you want to get sued?

>>20461394
Answer the fucking question

..i want a happy end, with timeskip epilogue and all.

>>20461500
Even if the story is really sad but the ending is revenge with a happy ending?

>>20461500
>happy end
no such thing

>>20461500
Read Mother of Learning

>>20460070
>Then someone started the discord server
It was some Mexican pedophile tranny named Aeos or something like that. Badly wanted attention. Hopefully he has necked himself by now.

>>20461446
perfect. i laughed

>>20461344
i always pictured Pyat Pree

>>20461052
he's right

>>20460867
Is there a bigger Mary sue than kelhus?

The first book was pretty bad.

jolenta booba turning to goose flesh as the breeze brushes against her hard nipples, indicating to severian she is ready for coitus

How does /sffg/ feel about the Imperial Radch/Ancillary series
For me it's decent mid, 7.5-8/10, transhumany and genderfucky but lacking in supporting cast character depth, imagery, and a slight hint of technobabble that leaves me wanting for at least a theory as to why certain technology works as it does in-universe

>>20462241
read all three but only the first is good

>>20462203
how's he a Mary Sue

>>20462241
Calling 8/10 decent-mid is odd to me. Is 9/10 decent-high and 10/10 is good? What you have to say about it doesn't support it either. I thought it was ok at best, I certainly wouldn't want to read more because it's much more other stuff than SF.

I require loli SFFG stories.

>>20462525
Enjoy your ban

"You tell em Big D"
"This Daddy will teach you the folly of your ways"
"The couldn't see mont tai"
Why am I so addicted this this shit? It has truly been one of the most enjoyable shit I read so far for the year (and I already reached 100 books).

>>20462938
>"You tell em Big D"
Apparently you're one of those people who finds a joke funnier the more times it's repeated. Not surprising for someone on 4channel.org

>nobody has read art of the adept 5 yet
>visit progfant
>thread about mageborn asking if Penny actually cheated or not
lol

>>20463013
Why are you even here if you aren't one ofus?

>>20460652
Is The Once and Future King actually better than the source material?

So is Bakker alive or not?

Any fantasy kinos that acknowledge the uncomfortable truths of the world that everyone knows but refuses to acknowledge? Kind of like Bakker, particularly on subjects like sexuality and women.

>>20463144
No. But they are so different as to be almost incomparable.

>>20463350
https://www.goodreads.com/series/41821-gor

>>20463350
The Bible.

>>20463384
>those genres

is bakker some meme /pol/ recommendation around here or what?

>>20463350
>I want to read about truths of the world
>specifically about women and sexuality
Are you retarded? Women and sexuality are coomer tier low iq subjects, they are completelty irrelevant and have nothing to do with truths of the world.

>>20463432
Hello Newfriend.

Does the warhammer franchise deserve the hate it gets? Seems like it copied a bunch of writers like moorcock but don’t all writers do that?

So I've finally finished Mother of Learning. I can see why people like it as a whole, and it's clear even the author sees where his flaws are as the afterword showed (sparse character descriptions, everybody having a similar 'voice', pacing being too slow or too fast, etc.) so I'm not gonna dig too much on those sorts of flaws and instead discuss it more as a total part. The first two arcs are... Bland. Zorian is remarkably unadventurous and weirdly paranoid to the point of "and then some restarts happened where he learned this" just kept cropping up to the point it felt like a joke. It takes basically until the last quarter of arc 2 for anything resembling a plot to start happening, because Zorian just somehow manages to not really get involved. Arc 3 was the best part by far, even if it felt a little stretched out near the end. The ending itself I was generally pretty happy with, though it felt almost absurdly foreshadowed. Like, no shit was he gonna do some fucky mental shit to let Zach live. The epilogue, though, felt a little lacklustre. It made sense, sure, but it didn't even really feel necessary if it was basically just "the most obvious follow-up stuff happened". There's also a lot of characters who seem more important than they are, and I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing, really. A lot of characters exist solely to be the focus of a chapter or two as Zorian learns about them, and they almost all have some stuff going on, sometimes to the point we don't even really learn their whole deal even by the end of things. I suppose some of that is a remnant of the fact that Mother of Learning was written as, effectively, a test-drive for a world the author was making, so he kept wanting to show off cool but inconsequential things.
I dunno where I'd rank MoL overall. Pacing and boring beginnings knock it down, but good worldbuilding and thought-out planning of events (though sometimes there's a bit of 'Zorian just has super mind magic don't worry' cheating to explain how he can do so much), along with an engaging plot when it actually gets going do push it up. Somewhere like a 7 or 8/10, I think.
I'm gonna be reading Gideon the Ninth after this because I want something a bit less 'dense', so we'll see where that goes.

>>20463432
/lit/'s friend Gregory Sadler has 2 videos on Bakker.
https://youtu.be/Sbh04t5NZVw
https://youtu.be/quLzAupytbg

>>20463467
/lit/'s friend Gregory Sadler has 3 videos on Bakker.
https://youtu.be/aspwxl6Cyzw
https://youtu.be/Sbh04t5NZVw [Embed]
https://youtu.be/quLzAupytbg [Embed]

>>20463432
Bakker dislikes Trump.

>>20460652
Book of the new sun is not s tier it’s a tier or meme tier

>>20463463
>along with an engaging plot when it actually gets going do push it up. Somewhere like a 7 or 8/10, I think.
The plot is totally linear and has almost 0 twists, 2/3 of the story is boring and mc is the most dull character ever. And you rate it 8/10.

> >I'm gonna be reading Gideon the Ninth after this because I want something a bit less 'dense', so we'll see where that goes
Never read it but I can't imagine a story less dense than mol.

>>20463497
Well, MoL has probably too many details needlessly thrown about, sometimes as hints for future events (though those almost always get the brunt of the focus because the author isn't good at hiding foreshadowing), hence the density notion.

>>20463494
gottem

>>20463494
I'm reading the first book and its good sometimes I feel lost but then it comes together

>>20459848
Just caught up to the latest volume of Salvos (A Monster Evolution LitRPG) and I think its the best LitRPG I've read up to date. This is mostly because its structured in a volume format with clear goals but still has that webnovel feel where the main characters don't feel like they're trapped into a plotline but are free to travel the world as they like. I used to absolutely abhor LitRPG but this webnovel made me realize that most of its demerits are from bad authors taking a spin on the genre. Without infinite skill-leveling, thousands of skills jammed into one character, no classes, no skill evolution, and level bloating, LitRPG becomes an extremely satisfying genre that makes you invested into the mc's skills. Though, even with how much I like Salvos there are some extremely dry chapters especially the first few in the netherworld where you haven't warmed up to the main character yet. Also, the side character chapters are fucking annoying. Anyways, the 350ish chapters out right now on royalroad are pretty good.

>>20464054
>Without infinite skill-leveling, thousands of skills jammed into one character, no classes, no skill evolution, and level bloating,
I have read several litrpgs and I have yet to encounter infinite skill-leveling, thousands of skills jammed into one character, no classes, no skill evolution, and level bloating. What did you read before that had all these things stuffed together?

>>20464054
>If you take out every defining characteristic of LitRPG it becomes satisfying.
Amazin'

>>20464118
There's an infamous one where the last chapter is a comprehensive list of the MC's skills classes etc and it's like 10k+ words or some ridiculous shit like that

>>20464176
That honestly sounds kind of hilarious. I don't mind the infinite growth stuff, but you need to start condensing shit if you do it. Have skills combine, have classes be made redundant or combine or some shit.

>>20460665
>t. low test

>>20464118
>infinite skill-leveling
This is mostly a problem in asian litrpg and stories that are too shit for me to read

>thousands of skills
kek this is an overexaggeration but here is Azarinth Healer's stat page
https://azarinth-healer.fandom.com/wiki/Ilea_Spears/Status
In reality the problem isn't that there are too many skills but that there is not enough time for an author to introduce a skill and implant it into the reader's mind, which causes people to have no idea what the main character is capable of except some generalized notion of punching space magic etc...

>level bloating
https://azarinth-healer.fandom.com/wiki/Ilea_Spears/Status
she has three classes at level 750, if that isn't level-bloating I don't know what is. 200 should be max and there should not be more than a few beings at the top of the system. They shouldn't come out of nowhere when the mc reaches a certain level.

>no classes
When I wrote this I was thinking of worlds where skills are easily obtainable outside of classes. You shouldn't be able to spend an afternoon jumping around an attain a general skill, there shouldn't be more general skills than class skills, Azarinth Healer also does this. Having a cooking skill is retarded, whats the point of having a chef class if any mutt can attain a generalized cooking skill?

>tfw you're finally reading that horror novel you purchased 5 years ago

>>20464185
In Salvos when the mc gets a new class the skills either get evolved, combine together into some way, or just dissapear to be replaced by new class skills that are much better.

>>20464217
>Ilea gets blown by an airhead that really likes her
>Ilea ascends to lesbian heaven by way of lethal voltage
And here I was thinking I was being creative by having my MC use her lightning magic during sex

>>20464152
read the sentence again

>>20464232
That generally works better to me. Multi-classing stuff can be neat but there should be a hard cap I think otherwise you risk your protagonist becoming too much of a do-everything character.

>posting stat pages
I raise you: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/27325/infinite-realm-monsters-legends/chapter/787256/chapter-290-zach-and-ryun

>tfw when you have novels that you bought 20+ years ago and the time to ever read them has passed long ago.

>>20464241
I do wonder about the effectiveness of having these sorts of things being accessible for a LitRPG. Honestly, I suppose the 'ideal' sort of way to write a LitRPG would be to have a character sheet on a sort of side-bar that gradually fills up as a reader reads through, but you'd probably need a site dedicated to that sort of thing to make that work. Personally I'm of the opinion that the sheet should only be brought up in full when a major change happens.

>>20464241
This is Salvos' stat page as of ch. 334
Salvos (Secely’s Sentinel) (The Devil’s Daughter)

Species: [Archdemon of Pride]

Subspecies: [Daeva Cambion] - Lvl. 132

Class: [Grand Mystic of the Nexeus] - Lvl. 97

General Skills:

[Advanced Mana Manipulation] - Lvl. 8

[Identification] - Lvl. 6

[Racial Skill: Universal Language Comprehension] - Lvl. 2

[Rest] - Lvl. 5

[Lesser Enhanced Wisdom] - Lvl. 7

[Title Skill: General Status Effect Resistance] - Lvl. 1

[Ttle Skill: Invoke Wrath] - Lvl. 1

[Title Skill: Protection of the Sentinel] - Lvl. 1

[Title Skill: The Devil’s Grace] - Lvl. 1 (Maxed)

[Racial Skill: Divine Essence of the Daeva Cambion] - Lvl. 1 (Maxed)

Stats:

[Available Stat Points: 0]

[Vitality]: 150 (+30) (+10)

[Strength]: 142 (+30) (+10)

[Endurance]: 150 (+30) (+10) (+3)

[Wisdom]: 268 (+30) (+10) (+13)

[Agility]: 320 (+30) (+10) (+5)

Skills:

[Available Skill Points: 7]

[Barrage of Cinders] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Demon’s Mark] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Haste] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Intimidation] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)

[Faux Limbs] - Lvl. 10

[Nebular Construct] - Lvl. 10

[Radiant Slash] - Lvl. 15 (Maxed)

[Salvo of Vanity] - Lvl. 15

[The Primordial Spark] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Wings of the Netherworld] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)

[Passive - A Hunter’s Sense] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)

[Passive - Blue Flames] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Passive - Weapon Mastery] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[My Flame Shall Burn Until Eternity Ends] - Lvl. 1 (Maxed)

Secondary Skills:

[Available Secondary Skill Points: 11]

[Dimensional Pocket] - Lvl 10 (Maxed)

[Mass Particulate Modification] - Lvl 10 (Maxed)

[Mystical Projection] - Lvl 15 (Maxed)

[Long Range Teleportation] - Lvl 20 (Maxed)

[Planar Navigation] - Lvl. 10 (Maxed)

[Scattering Displacement] - Lvl. 20 (Maxed)

[Warped Time] - Lvl 20 (Maxed)

Just finished Dungeon Crawler Carl book 5. While it's not as good as book 3 (apex Carl), it's an uptick from book 4 and gives me hope for the future of the series. The author seems to have found a two-step way to march forward, with autism setting up the plot and character empathy executing it. You've all suffered for it, and this author has a sense of it. I feel good to be manipulated in this way.

>>20464412
My sole problem with the series is how much off-screen planning happens now. I get it, you don't want to spoil the plan because that's the big climax thing, but it leads to a lot of "Oh by the way Carl was doing this all along he just didn't tell you even though you're in his head". Which is fine a few times, but it feels like a constant thing.

>>20464418
>>20464412
I dropped the series after book two. The fucking cat just kept getting more annoying. After the author dedicated the series to the fucking cat after it became a fan favourite, I dropped it.
I would have liked it better if I didn't have to deal with that fuckboy(girl) cat.

>>20463432
The Second Apocalypse is genuinely the finest fantasy of our generation, and it's not even close. Can stand up there with Tolkien, Vance, etc. Try it, anon.

Thoughts on Memory Sorrow and Thorn series?

>>20464054
>curious newborn Demon with a penchant for making friends, surviving the swarms of wild Demons in the Netherworld was always going to be a difficult task. She
>she
...and into trash it goes

>>20459936
So do most LGBT people desu
>>20459848
>CTRL-F “witcher”
>no results
Just me then

>>20464506
FeMC can be good but ONLY if it's written by a man and if FeMC in question is functionally written as a man with tits

>>20464519
I read the first seven
In retrospective I think it peaked at the 5th book, the last two dragged. Too much pity/struggleporn around ciri in general.

>>20464519
I just finished Blood of Elves and I'm on this right now. Two sorcerer roasties are drinking alcohol and reminiscing about guys they fucked.

Kill me.

finally gotten round to reading Rendezvous with Rama. Easy read so far breezing through it

>>20464528
Yeah I just outright skipped many of the parts that were just sorceresses being cunts

>>20464525
I'm just reading the series for the lore before I delve into The Witcher 3. Should I just stop at 5 and read the synopsis of the last two?

>>20464562
I mean the last two do contain a lot of important stuff
They just... drag.

>>20464522
>FeMC can be good but ONLY if it's written by a man and if FeMC in question is functionally written as a man with tits
Why? If she is good then why not just write him instead of her? If female mc is is just like a man then why not not just write a man mc? And tits? Why ruin something like a great story and great mc by bringing this aspect(intimate body parts which leads to sexual thoughts which leads to sex and relationships and which leads to shitty and dumb plot, shitty character interactions, shitty dialogues and a shitty story) of their body that is completely irrelevant and should not be used unless its just porn and not literature?

>>20464490
I'm reading after I finish this western I've got on the go.
I see some ITT claim it's a landmark series with a lot of depth and pretty writing, others seem to write it off as generic and boring. If the meme chart (>>20460652) is to be believed, it's a decent read. Mind you, Dying Earth being in B-tier discredits the whole chart in my mind.

LOL I'm reading Beware of Chicken.
Slapping the shit out of a pompous fool..

>>20464575
I know what I'm about

>>20464589
What?

>>20464575
>Why? If she is good then why not just write him instead of her?
Aesthetics, I like imagining women more than men. She’s more demon than women in the story anyways.

>>20464657
>Aesthetics, I like imagining women
Coomer tier mindset

Can someone remind me what the White-Luck Warrior is / who it is? I think I checked out through most of The Judging Eye and White Luck Warrior. I'm considering a re-read of the series but it'll take a lot of time

>>20464745
>The White-Luck Warrior is the god-sent assassin who will murder the Aspect-Emperor and his progeny.

>In Inrithism, the White-Luck Warrior is the man who walks the perfect line of action and happenstance that can see any outcome come to pass.

All there is on the PoN wiki

>>20464759
yea that's all I saw after just reading it, god my memory is almost as bad as the Nonmen hah am I right Bakkerbros?

>>20464429
>tfw I lost series in an interest because the cat was the best character and then it got killed off

>>20464830
What series?

>>20464831
Art of the Adept

>>20464759
Use spoiler tags, you absolute fucking spastic.

>>20464835
The No-God kills Kellhus during the battle for Golgotterath.

>>20464835
NOOOO DONT SPOIL BAKKER NOOOO HE'S SUCH A GOOD AUTHOR I WONT BE ABLE TO ENJOY HIS EPIC BOOKS IF YOU SPOIL THEM NOOOO

What’s happening to the thread?

>>20464915
Nobody's talking.

How do you faggots read webnovels without getting sore eyes? I can't even use the kindles specifically made to not rape your eyes.

I'm looking for some pulpy science fiction/fantasy like Jack Vance or Robert E. Howard. Any suggestions?

>>20464989
Just about everything from Schuyler Hernstrom

>>20465007
Read it all, but that's exactly what I'm looking for, thanks.

>>20464989
The Tall Eagle series and the short story collection Worlds Beyond Worlds by John Fultz.

>>20465086
Thanks.

>>20464528
just finished Last Wish. It was entertaining but all the stories had the same motif of sarcastic and greedy characters, with the monster ending up being the reasonable morally sound character. is the second short story collection book more varied , or does the real thing that everyone loves about the series start in blood of elves?

>>20465112
Jason E. Thummel is also good. In Savage Lands is an excellent S&S collection and he has also written a couple of pure pulp novels I haven't gotten around to reading yet, but they look fun.

>>20465188
The short stories are by far the best books.

>>20465188
>or does the real thing that everyone loves about the series start in blood of elves?
No. The short stories are great, if you can't get into them then they're just not your thing. The only worthwhile thing in the the actual novel series is Bonhart.

>>20465385
i liked it but kinda didn't embrace and take in fully the setting cause they were short stories. i'll take my time w/ the second book

Nothing worse than reading a book you think is a self-contained story only to find out at the very end it ends on a cliffhanger.... and the sequel has yet to be released even though it should have been released several years ago.

What's that one book series what with the wizards who try to snap other wizards brain stems because they figured that's the easiest way to kill things?
Like they COULD cast fireball but it takes a while for you to burn to death and the only reason they would cast it is because it would break their concentration of them trying to snap your brain stem as you try to break theirs and protect yours.

>>20464445
Speaks more to the sad state of the genre that it hasn't been surpassed.

>>20464949
I send them to my kindle

What are some good SFFG loli books?

Bujold writes kinda autistically.

>>20465737
There's zero chance she isn't autistic.

Finished The Land Across by Gene Wolfe. His second novel I've read that was written post-Long Sun (90s), or post-2010 for that matter.
I thought it started slower, and a lot simpler than his other novels.
It takes place in a strange fictional former communist country that isn't on any maps and is never named. Definitely Slavic flavoured, but all the character names are distinctly Greek influenced as well. So all the dialogue of the people there is written as if spoken by ESLs. It's done smartly, and with a purpose as it reveals the mindset and personalities of the characters through their word choice, but it is more of a nuisance than normal English obviously.
A travel writer travels there and immediately gets apprehended by the authorities, his passport is stolen, and he has to figure out how to get back to the US. It's a detective/mystery story with supernatural fantasy elements.
I think I didn't like it so much at first because the guy doesn't have freedom of movement since he's a prisoner. But it really picks up in the second half, I read most of that in one sitting. It's as enigmatic then as anything else Wolfe has written, lots of stuff to think about after it ends.

I started Ice by Anna Kavan and that's really interesting and short so I'm going to read that next. Then Distress by Greg Egan, which I also read the first chapter of. Egan seems really good, like really good, I'm looking forward to reading Distress and at least half of his other novels have fascinating premises I'm excited to read.

Which Discworld novel should I read next? Should I read his stuff outside of the Discworld series?

Have you read any sffg stories with good loli's in them recently?

>>20465833
Sex with Nice Rachel

>>20465853
Is that a book title? Nothing comes up.

Just ignore the fuckhead. Seeing as reporting him does nothing cause mods are brain-dead retards.

>>20465860
Hmm, maybe you should finish jerking off so you can marshal the neurons to think your way out of this conundrum.

>>20463432

>>20463432
This image made me read Bakker.

>>20460070
for any anons wondering, the discord group is still active, we just finished Eversion by Reynolds
https://discord.com/invite/KWPCM7m

>>20465861
Huh?

So I'm almost finished with prince of nothing (200 pages left) and there's still almost no appearence from the Inchoroi or the Consult. ¿Do I have to read another 4 fucking books about this? ¿Are they good?

>>20465906
Can you post the discord's rules here? I want to laugh again.

>>20465940
Inchoroi has appeared in the synthese form in all the three books, and in actual form in the epilogue of the Warrior-Prophet. The four later books are definitely worth the read and they will have much more stuff on Inchoroi, the Consult and the Non-men.

>>20465940
You’ve already encountered multiple agents of the consult, you just don’t know it yet.

>>20465942
>>20465947
Syntheses are ok, but I Kellhus fighting alien rapemonsters. You guys should consider warning people that they are going to get blueballed if they only read the Prince of Nothing trilogy. Still loving the series tho, I just didn't expect having to read 7 books instead of 3.

>>20465962
"but I want Kellus"*

>I should say a word about my appearances. I have decided not to attend this year’s worldcon in Chicago, for a variety of reasons. Chicago remains one of my favorite cities, though, and it looks as though I may be travelling there once or twice during the year to come… for reasons quite different, and much more exciting, than a con. Instead of worldcon, it looks as though I will be attending this year’s San Diego Comicon… assuming they do not move to December or go virtual, as they did last year thanks to the pandemic. I would rather not attend any more virtual conventions. Guess I’m a boomer, not a zoomer.
>(It will feel odd to travel again. I have only left home once since January 2020).
>WINDS, you say? Yes, still working. Finally finished a clutch of Cersei chapters that were giving me fits. Now I am wrestling with Jaime and Brienne. The work proceeds, though not as fast as many of you would like.
Release date when?

>>20465962
>>20465963
You are not ready for the rapemonster killing action. First you have to endure the Great-Ordeal, march through the ancient north, see unimaginable death and suffering before you reach the dread Golgotterath.

>>20465969
why didn't he leave the home between january and march? covid broke out in march

>>20465941
are you really filtered by this?

>>20465969
>>WINDS, you say? Yes, still working. Finally finished a clutch of Cersei chapters that were giving me fits. Now I am wrestling with Jaime and Brienne. The work proceeds, though not as fast as many of you would like.
The abuse is working. Keep applying pressure.

>>20466003
Literature is inherently racist and sexist.

Also piracy is based.

Is it kino?

>>20466013
In other words, yes, you are filtered

>>20466033
Which statement do you disagree with?

>>20466029
>hot and cold
YOU
CHANGE YOUR MIND
LIKE A GIRL
CHANGES CLOTHES

>>20466013
This is the sort of thing anons tell themselves to act as an anodyne for their own revolting beliefs and behavior. In my case, I have always acted with the highest personal standards of Ethics and Honesty, and it reflects in my writing. Frequently, When posting on venues such as /lit/ (and even more so on Reddit or Twitter), the favor has not been returned, and I have learned to deal with it. I will say that my Integrity was directly relevant to my career. I worked for a boutique publishing firm, and they knew they could trust me. My sources and editors also knew they could trust me. It’s entirely possible to live in the literary world without surrendering your moral backbone.

What is the reverend insanity of western lit?

>>20466047
>This is the sort of thing anons tell themselves to act as an anodyne for their own revolting beliefs and behavior.

99% of literature, whether it's the Bible or Dostoevsky or Crusoe, is racist.

>>20466047
You will never be a woman.

>>20466039
The first. Literature doesn't follow racist headcanon.

>>20466047
>>20466060
Every book where race is mentioned becomes racist eventually, regardless of the intentions of the author. Look at Huckleberry Finn or Heart of Darkness.

>>20466057
It’s pride month, and the world disagrees with you.

>>20466053
>only reads chud shit
>thinks he can opine on 99% of literature

>>20466013
You're retarded. If you run a discord server where users are openly being racist and posting piracy mega links and directly uploading pirated material, then all it takes a report from a single user and discord review and discord will shut the server down and ban the admin accounts.

>>20466067
>Unironically coming here to defend pride and his state of trans (Never going to be a real woman).
>"The world disagrees with you"
Part of the western world, pride is nothing but a capitalist tool for marketing

>>20466068
>all it takes a report from a single user and discord review and discord will shut the server down and ban the admin accounts.
So create a new one. I'm on tons of racist Discords. When they get deleted I just join new ones.

>>20466068
>I am not racist
>I cant make a racist discord because discord rules
which one is it, tranny?

>>20466073
It's bait.

>>20466073
I came here to express my disdain for chuds who project their pathetic worldview onto the whole of Literature. Take your resentful dross elsewhere.

>>20466003
>an obvious discord tranny image
pic related, its you

>>20466084
Sabrina is hot.

>>20466080
>Take your resentful dross elsewhere.

GRRM walked.... so Bakker could run.

>>20466088
Go back to grooming Reddit kids on /pol/, Ranjit.

>>20466101
>I can't sneed.

>>20466087
The hottest transwomen are never lesbians.

Imagine being such an incel you think your only way of attracting a woman was to "become" one. What a world we live in. The only thing you had to do is hit the gym and stop scrolling reddit.

>>20465588
Anyone?
YA series where wizards kill each other by trying to snap their brain stems?
I'm in the mood for something easy.

>>20466122
That is very specific. Try being less of a child. If you can't choose what to read based on the thread and the OP you are beyond help.

>>20466126
I know some anon has read it because it was talked about here.
>Very specific
Ok, do you know the book with wizards I'm thinking of?
No shit I was specific you idiot. Because in that world they don't try to turn you into metal and then have lightning strike you for some epic scene. It tries (like many lots of other takes on magic) to be a tiny bit more realistic in how you'd kill someone. And if you can cause explosions in space, you'd do it on someone's head.

Anybody else, besides this faggot know what I'm talking about?

>>20466137
Go on /wsr/. Generally, most boards other than that won't be able to tell you what it is you're looking for.

>>20466137
Use google

Why are we being raided again?

Can we please go back to Bakkerposting?

>>20466147
Bakkerposters, anti-tranny and anti-discord posters are the same. Truth Shines!

>>20466147
Because it is one person who obsessed over trans people, he is running out of places to post his bullshit because his threads and posts get deleted fast on other boards. He has now found his way to /lit/ and is trying to do the same here.

>>20466122
>YA series where wizards kill each other by trying to snap their brain stems?
Does this sound like YA to you? Are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>20466159
In truth I only ever post here and /wg/.

>>20466168
Yes?
People murder each other in The Hunger Games al the time.
Children read Dumas before we had actual drivel being shoveled out for them because they're great adventure books.

Well if it isn't asking that isn't getting me or you closer to the answer.

>>20466176
>>20466168
YA means the protagonists are young, that the voice of the book is not that of an adult, and the themes of the book are mild compared to adult books where sexual or violent scenes might be extremely graphic.

>Imagine defending YA shit

LMAO

>>20466187
YA can be good or decent, most adults would not find them that interesting. The Wheel of Time is YA and basically anything Brandon Sanderson writes.

>>20466185
I'll concede that but you'd swear up and down that everything in this thread has been called YA trash at some point.
How many other kids do Ender and Bean murder?

>>20465969
All this fat fucking fraud has to do is to drop another sample chapter to get the fanbase to stop tearing into his fat-rolls

>>20466191
I don't know and frankly, I don't care. People will categorize many books as YA when others would not. But I agree, that someone who is looking to find specifically YA must be some kind of a retard. Offence meant.

>>20466199
You read and love Harry Potter.

>>20466203
I have read Harry Potter when I was young. What is your point?

Part 1

>>20464054
>Just caught up to the latest volume of Salvos (A Monster Evolution LitRPG) and I think its the best LitRPG I've read up to date. This is mostly because its structured in a volume format with clear goals but still has that webnovel feel where the main characters don't feel like they're trapped into a plotline but are free to travel the world as they like. I used to absolutely abhor LitRPG but this webnovel made me realize that most of its demerits are from bad authors taking a spin on the genre. Without infinite skill-leveling, thousands of skills jammed into one character, no classes, no skill evolution, and level bloating, LitRPG becomes an extremely satisfying genre that makes you invested into the mc's skills. Though, even with how much I like Salvos there are some extremely dry chapters especially the first few in the netherworld where you haven't warmed up to the main character yet. Also, the side character chapters are fucking annoying. Anyways, the 350ish chapters out right now on royalroad are pretty good.

Anon, you've really just triggered the shit out of me. As a veteran of LitRPGs, meaning basically all the popular fast-paced daily-updated power progressions, I'm confident in saying that Salvos is the worst of them all. I wouldn't go as far as to call it horrible, but it's really bad in comparison to others. Anyone who reads Azarinth Healer will know how Salvos pales in comparison when you look at the most important aspects of a power-progression LitRPG: the way the protagonist progresses, the system and how it works, fight scenes, and how interesting Classes are.

Salvos manages to fall short on every account. Protagonist's progression lacks any substance, it's just the MC killing things and leveling up, in the most uninteresting way possible. There is no real struggle, no weigh to anything. The system is paper-thin, basically slapped some stats onto the world, Skills don't make any fucking sense, the world doesn't make sense if you think about it for more than a few seconds. To talk about the fighting scenes one most talk about the writing, and the writing is bad. Not bad as with errors, but just uninteresting and empty. Slow and tedious recital of every move the character and enemy do.

As for Classes, they are just straight up uninspired (which is a problem with the story as a whole, but I'm getting to that). I'm just going to post an example of a character having a choice of a new class when they reach relatively extreme level of power, with less than 1% of the population even coming close. How does the description look like?

>[Arch Battle Mage]

>A [Arch Battle Mage] is an [Archmage] of close combat. The pinnacle of magic, an [Archmage] has seen the endless limits of magic, and will not stop until they reach that top. But as a [Battle Mage], they do not allow themselves to falter, even when the enemy closes the distance.

>+20 [Strength]

>+20 [Wisdom]

>+15 [Endurance]

>+10 [Vitality]

>+10 [Agility]

Part 2

I hope I don't need to comment how barebones and pathetic the mentioned above description is. The writing there is downright forced, the author not having any idea what to write and vomiting generic words onto the page in a moment that's one of the most interesting and fascinating events in a LitRPG, a Class Change. Sadly, it goes for every Class description in the story. The story itself has a solid core: A Demon goes to a human plane and gets two friends, showing that she can act civilized, while having many adventures. I can give the story one thing, Salvos as a character is interesting and her being non-human Demon is well-written, to a degree at least. But every other character in the story is shit. One is an Isekaied Hero, the other a mundane Mage. There is not much to tell about them because of how flat they are, described more by their roles than any personality.

The main problem is that the dialogues are simply horrendous, the worst part of the entire story. I've seen mobile games with more lively dialogues, and the NPCs in them appear more real than the characters in Salvos as well. Only Salvos has something of a voice, seeing any other character talking sends shivers down my spine. But that's probably because the author has no idea how people interact, as everything in this story is derivative.

Yes, everything is derivative. There's a famous writing saying, "Good Writers Borrow; Great Writers Steal." We know how well some already existing ideas can be used in different contexts or storylines, enriching the story and the world without making it look distasteful. The author of Salvos cannot do that tastefully. 'Uninspired' is one word that aptly summarizes the entire world and plotlines, not a single element of this world has been imagined by the author. It's all stolen, and badly so. Inspirations with Anime, Azarinth Healer, Beneath the Dragoneye Moons and The Wandering Inn are clear as day, and only made worse by comparing Salvos to those works.

Maybe if someone starts reading webnovels with Salvos they can consume it without gagging every other minute as would every person that had already read the same thing, but somewhere else and in a better way. From what I've written I believe it's clear what my opinion on Salvos is, but there's one more case to be touched upon. One last thing then, the author is fucking delusional. He believes himself to be the second coming of webnovel Christ and goes ballistic at every critic, especially now that his other works have been torn to shreds by the users and reviewers on Royalroad. I do not believe this will change any time soon, so you know the writing will not improve.

TL;DR
Salvos is shit. It's not horrible, but every other popular webnovel has better characters, story, LitRPG system, dialogues or progression. Don't read it, just read something else, like Beneath the Dragoneye Moons or Azarinth Healer. They are the same, but much better.

>>20466253
>>20466249
Didn‘t read.

>>20466249
>>20464054
>and I think its the best LitRPG I've read up to date.
are you for real? salvos is utterly mediocre. there are better choices for guilty pleasure power fantasies like it.

>>20466249
>>20466253
Still, I am perplexed that someone will read garbage like this. It seems comical, nothing else. Stats?! Jesus Christ.

I liked reading fantasy and horror choose you path type books where you could die if you chose the wrong path, but litrpg is retarded.

The only LitRPG is Radical Dreamers.
And Chrono Cross is like, right there.

Lit rpg needs it's own general /lit/rpg.

Just finished Guy Gavriel Kay's new novel, not my favorite by him but still great as all his stuff is

>>20466295
Can someone come up with a general word to encompass all the following:
>webnovels
>gamelit
>LitRPG
>cultivation
>cradle
>xianxia
>manga
Then make a general thread around it?

>>20466309
trash

>>20466315
Why did I not come up with that sooner?

>>20466309
>Can someone come up with a general word to encompass all the following:
Yes, it's called Science-Fantasy/Fantasy General, also known as /sffg/

>>20466315
Kek

>>20466320
You can take your cultivation shit elsewhere.

I recommend the Garret P.I. series by Glen Cook.

Here's a fantasy novel written by some RPG nerd: barricadedrealm.com

>>20466309
It's called progression fantasy. It really needs its own containment thread - I'm so fucking sick of these autistic fuckheads shitting up good discussion with their Reverend Spastic type books. Go and be dumb retards in a discord somewhere

>>20466335
>written by some RPG nerd
By you. No thanks.

Is Gormenghast as slow burning as people say? Would it be a good slow read for winter?

>>20466343
You definitely need time and quiet to read Gormenghast. Its not a book to be read in a subway but in the quiet evening on your armchair, sipping 30 year old port-wine. It it incredibly slow to read but its beautiful as an oil painting. It paints a vivid, strange castle of Gormenghast and its individuals chained to strange traditions.

>>20466137
Try asking later in the day. Morning and midday EU hours are nothing but shitposting.

>>20466067
Lol, lmao

>>20466361
>Why yes, I am from Europe. How did you know?
>Mmm, yes. I'd like some unpasteurised cheese.

>>20466361
Very kind of you, thanks.

>>20466367
Based.

>>20466366
Seek help for your mental illness freak

>>20466378
You will never be a real woman.

>>20466371
Or even wait until next thread. The kids will eat through these next 40+ posts until bump limit quickly.

>>20466384
What makes you think based Bakkerchads won't continue their righteous crusade against progression fantasy in the next thread as well?

>>20466390
>Bakkerchads
Stop false flagging. This has nothing to do with us.

>>20466397
This has everything to do with us.

Why is he so obsessed with transsexuals lads? His every waking moment is devoted to his pure hatred of them and their ways. Why is he like this?

>>20466472
Not him, but please stop projecting.

>>20465804
Read Discworld in publication order. Then maybe give Good Omens a look.

>>20465899
Cnaiür's picture makes me fucking lmao every time I see it. Truly the most violent of all chads.

>>20464418
It was too much in this volume. I thought the assassination in book 4 had just the right amount of clues.

>>20466003
Lol pozzedniggertranny discord

>>20466335
I made it about halfway through the first chapter. It's very full of the attempts to sound more sophisticated that you see with most amateur writers. It took less than five minutes for me to get sick of seeing the word "perhaps."

All these chuds wouldn't say shit irl. You spotty fantasy nerds. Anyway, what's some good grimdark books?

>>20466669
Yeah, that part also wasn't the big climactic resolution, whereas book 5 hid so much of the plan for the big finale that it FELT like the hand of the author at work hiding the plan just for the sake of it.

>>20466397
Sandersnoi detected.
Bakker rules supreme