/lit/ - Literature

Bakker is King.

Simple as.

TTT:
>"The next time you come before me," the Aspect-Emperor said, his voice cavernous, ringing with inhuman resonance, "you will kneel."

TUC:
>Drusas Achamian fell to his knees upon wicked Shigogli, old and wrecked and more confounded than ever..."

SOVL

>>20445149
holy kino

Vest exploration sf f?

>>20445183
Best**

>stuck with an indian phone in the army
>can only open shitty sites like thefreeonlinenovel
>If I want to read, i can only read from that site or similarly limited sites
honestly thinking of writing notes and write my own fantasy setting even though I know it won't interest anyone else.

>>20445278
do it faggot

>>20445278
just download pdfs from libgen

>>20445288
they don't work on that phone kek

>>20445149
Where is this from? Asking for a friend.

Holy shit I just want to get my hands on The Judging Eye audiobook. (Paying the iron price)

>>20445293
r scott bakker, the second apocalypse

>>20445278
you can't go o wikisource? wikipedia is blocked?

>>20445337
the phone is too shitty it just refuses to open 99% of sites, and when it does it only opens sites in a simplified way

>>20445291
Perhaps you can use a website to convert files from pdf to plain text

>>20445488
nothing works, i just accepted it. I will be done with the army in less than a year anyway so it's all good

>>20445101
Continuing the question from the previous thread, what are your scifi/fantasy red flags?
Here are mine:
>Author is LGBT
>environmental messaging
>LGBT characters
>humans are actually “le bad”
>religion is “le bad”
>copy-paste IRL countries but with different names
>anything written by Daniel B Green
>author uses stories for libshit propaganda
>subverting expectations

>>20445605
Author is a mormon.

>>20445605
Author shills on /lit/

>>20445538
How are you posting here then?
You can get 4chan working, but you can't find a pdf converter?

>>20445620
How do you tell?

>>20445638
You don't spend every day of service in the army in my country, i spend a week each month at home.

>>20445642
I‘m pretty sure Sanderson posts here regularly.

>>20445101
New to Sci-Fi, considering getting the Ultimate Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy. Is it actually as good as people claim?

>>20445645
Oh. Then you should convert the files at home, then transfer them to the phone

>>20445648
Where would Sanderson be in life without the financial contributions of a handful of e-book pirates? Truly a question for the ages.

>>20445291
what about epubs? why wouldn't they work?

Hey, Sanderson. What the fuck was mistborn trilogy 2. You give me an ancient epic of a world at war and a planet going through the apocalypse, and then give me cowboy cucks?And then sprinkle in a little bit of the good shit at the fucking end? What the fuck is wrong with you, fix this shit.

>>20445666
>666
No one cares, you demon. I will never read your shit books.

>>20445605
I don't like your version. The original post focused on genre tropes. While yours focuses on identity politics. His post was fun. Your post is bitter.

>>20445677
But is it wrong tho?

>>20445671
>>20445663
they don't work kek. it's a phone with buttons that somehow manages to have a browser that only opens certain websites. I managed to read Dune and three of Drizzt's novels on that site though, so it has some good novels it's just a pain in the ass to search on the phone's small screen. When I'm at home i look for recommendations and check if they are on the sites that work on my shitty phone lmao

>>20445681
Debating idpol stuff, is what I would like to avoid.

>>20445694
I guess. But it seems kind of futile to try and keep it out of the thread when it's such a problem in the topic of the very same thread.

>>20445692
Stop being an idiot, please. You can convert files to whatever text format that phone supports. If you don't know what formats it supports, give it a good google.

>>20445732
what is bottom right?

>>20445744
it’s written there

>>20445753
i can't read upside down

>>20445744
unintelligible machine translation of a unimaginative cultivation story which has no ending

>>20445744
it's reverend insanity

>>20445732
Hopefully one day I'll make this chart.

Do you like reading and imagining sword-fighting parts? or do writers overdo it and basically write a shitload of words and "moves" that make it impossible to actually keep up with it? any novels with good swordfighting writing?
>>20445700
Tried but couldn't find anything about the phone. it's called it2163.

>>20445792
who are you

>>20445798
Just an aspiring writer writing in my free time. It's funny that "Dune", "The Wizard Knight", and "Red Rising" are all where they are. I'd like to sit somewhere on that line one day.

>>20445816
I mean, the list is an absolute mess of contradictory taste. Just put your own book on it'll probably take a while for anyone to notice.

>art of the adept 5 is out
meh

>>20445818
Right now the hardest part is that I don't know how to end it. I'm not quite there yet and there's still a lot of ground I'd like to cover, but I do feel like I ought to start thinking about what kind of ending I'm going to be writing.

>>20445818
I feel like it's mostly "How much /sffg/ talks about these in a positive way", because I feel like Mistborn book 1 at least is better than fucking Eragon but popular thing bad.

>>20445832
I mean, this isn't /wg/, but I've generally heard the best idea is to have an ending in mind before you really start writing. You can change the ending if it seems like it's unfeasible as you start writing towards it, but have SOMETHING to work towards.

>>20445836
yup

>>20445838
Yeah, and therein lies the problem. I started nudging the story along because I felt really strongly about the premise, but the characters feel too personal for me to rightly say what should happen when all is said and done. I really don't know what a properly written ending looks like.

>>20445605
>environmental messaging
Not a fan of Tolkien then?

>>20445866
Well, is this character-driven or plot-driven? If character-driven, think of the trajectory the characters are on and what would be an endpoint that makes sense (what their development or arc leads them to, why would they go there, etc.), whereas a plot-driven ending is, well, based on what needs to be done to wrap up the issues in the plot in a way that feels satisfying with how the story's presented itself.

I think I'd say that they're almost equal parts both. I wanted to write a character whose desire is to be a non-participant in the larger plot kind of defines their motives. Everything that happens and all of the danger they're subjected to all seem "incredibly unfair", and the hyperawareness of their own mortality drives their decision making and thought process. I don't really know what end seems more fitting, and I think it'd likely be a combination of a character change internally influencing a decision being made towards the end.

>>20445115
Based Supreme

>>20445885
Well, either way, /wg/ is that way. >>20441673

>>20445793
I very much enjoyed the fights in The Witcher, but part of that may have been the fact that I was listening to the audiobook and the narrator did a good job of bringing a lot of energy to it.

What is the most doomer novel and what is the most bloomer novel for fantasy and sci fi?

>>20445278
Why not sci fi setting instead? Hmmmm

>>20442557
>I'd say the addition of Arc 2 brings my score of Mother of Learning from a 5 to a 6. As a note, I'm subbing out Defiance of the Fall on audiobook for Beware of Chicken. I'm not finding myself enjoying how system menus are translated to a sterile audio, repeating itself whenever accessed. I also haven't started Lord of Mysteries as of yet, taking a breath after Ave Rem.

I really like DotF, but it and and other Litrpgs like that were never written with intention of being audiobooked. I assumed the narrator modified the text and only mentioned the changes, but apparently someone was retarded enough to read the whole thing. Madness, reek madness.

As for MoL, Arc 3 will probably be the best part of the story for you. Zach&Zorian duo is hilarious, especially now that they are the experienced veterans of the loop and ready to rumble, all brakes are off. Their adventures together are platinium-grade MoL content.

>>20446238
Different guy here, I'm currently reading Arc 3 and yeah I'll generally say it's the best part. Arc 1 was a decent mystery, stifled by Zorian being incredibly frustrating and unadventurous. Arc 2 was a nothing, because despite broadening his scope, Zorian continued to just do almost everything alone, even with convincing some people of the time loop, and nothing really felt like it happened until the end when he actually talks to Zach. Arc 3's like "Oh, right, characters" because for once we're not just on a one-man show with Zorian. Hell, Zorian's simulacrums bickering and being bitter with each other and with him are great. He's such a shithead even he can't help making fun of himself.

>>20446225
The first novel I read was Dune so the setting will very likely have some kind of sci-fi shit. a mix of fantasy races (or humans with different names to denote their different skin colors and features) different planets and high-tech but no laser guns.
I'm not a native English speaker so I will just write a setting in the form of incoherent notes about races, professions and locations. the first thing that came to mind after reading Dune , I was reading the book of Samuel at the same time, was to write a David-like figure escaping from his king's kingdom who keeps meeting cutthroats from different races across the different planets. But my English is getting worse now that I'm in the army and not shitposting and reading 24/7, So i will settle for a world-building thing that I might eventually post here on /lit/.

>>20445868
Based

>>20445605
I despise the "akchually humans are the bad guys" as it usually just ends up being "white people suck" because white people are almost always represented by the base human race in fantasy and sci-fi.Except for one short story I read by an African author where it was clear white people were the Elves. That was pretty cool.

>>20446340
>Except for one short story I read by an African author where it was clear white people were the Elves. That was pretty cool.
Source?

I'm only 11 chapters into Water Sleeps, but the new annalist may be my favorite of the narrators. After Murgen's more self involved and introspective books it's refreshing to have greater focus given to description of the world around the characters and a somewhat more objective voice. Also so far the voice feels more distinct from Croaker than the others.

>>20446409
Water sleeps was always a cool sounding slogan, to me. Made me excited for it all to happen at the end.

>>20446438
I liked "Soldiers live, and wonder why." Cook could have been a poet.

>>20445793
Malazan has some great fights. Steven Erikson fences as a hobby, so that probably helps. The fight scenes with Karsa Orlong are easily the best sword & sorcery fights I've read. In general, Malazan is great but the first book filters zoomers.

>>20446359
Sorry friend, it was all an elaborate bit of market research.

is the witcher series worth reading? I read the last wish and like half of blood of elves 10 years ago and don't remember much

>>20446512
This is true, but at the same time he's in need of a serious editor. The last 3 books were fucking slogs. But realistically, deadhouse gates, house of chains, reapers gale etc were some of the best fantasy I've ever read. Just fantastic all the way through.

It's too early to appreciate what Tolkien did. Give it about 1000 years, and he'll be seen as a very important figure.

>>20446622
In 1000 years civilization will have collapsed and risen again twice over and Tolkein's works will be studied as the only extant religious texts from our era

>>20446661
civilization hasn't "collapsed" in nigh on two millennia since the bronze age collapse, retard
even then we still actively study works from well before then

>>20446700
Cuck

>>20446700
The collapse rate of past civilizations is not relevant to us because our civilization is of a completely different form than anything pre-industrial. We are globally interconnected in a way that has never occurred before and shocks to far flung parts can have huge ramifications elsewhere in ways impossible in the past. COVID wouldn't have even been noticed in ancient eras but in ours it managed to cause a global supply chain gridlock leading to shortages of all kinds of shit. Imagine how much worse something like an antibiotic resistant plague would be now vs 500 years ago when it would spread in weeks rather than years to every corner of the globe.

Mayan civilization collapsed entirely, Roman civilization collapsed in the west, and there are fuckton of lost works from around/slightly before then. We don't even have the all the works of Aristotle, let alone lots of less famous writers who are entirely lost. And I said "from our era", I never implied that shit like the Bible would be lost entirely. My post was implying that the fictional context surrounding LOTR would be lost and it would be assumed to be a real translation of an actual ancient epic. Learn to read before you become a pedant.

when has a retcon ever been a good thing?

>>20446834
>effort posting for a midwit cuckold
Unbased

>>20445101
More like this?

>>20447255

>>20446210
Dune for both
Or Hitchhikers for bloomer and Tolkien for doomer.

I like writing webnovels and recently had an idea for a general story and setting and was wondering what parts of it work and what not. I wrote a ~6k word portion and would like some feedback. Who'd be willing to take a look and add some comments?
I wouldn't know how to post it here, as a pastebin or a link to a PDF on a dropbox? Or is there even a better method where notes/comments can be added?

>>20447416
pastebin it cunt

>>20447416
/wg/ is that way. >>20441673

>>20447438
You are the most obnoxious faggot here.

>>20445656
It's funny, but it's a very specific kind of humor. So it depends on if you find what I'd try to summarize as "bbc radio comedy" funny or not

>>20446210
>What is the most doomer novel
The Genocides

Does it matter where I start with Guy Gavriel Kay?
Does he have a seminal work or anything that's drastically different from the rest of his body or work?

>>20447416
>I like writing webnovels and recently had an idea for a general story and setting and was wondering what parts of it work and what not. I wrote a ~6k word portion and would like some feedback. Who'd be willing to take a look and add some comments?
Guess where webnovels are reviewed by random people? In the place they are fucking posted, like AO3 or Royalroad. You can always delete it and repost it later after you rewrite. Don't be a pussy, no one will even remember it if it's shit.
baka

This weekend ended up being a popular one for reading, as three people got back to me with their thoughts on my novel. My favorite part of their critique was this line:
>This reminds me of 1960's SF, maybe even the old SF pulp stories, but not in a bad way at all.
It's also interesting seeing which of my characters people gravitate towards. Several side characters are going to have to get more screentime in Book 2

>>20447267
Last and First Men + Star Maker by Olaf Stapledon
Resplendent by Stephen Baxter

>>20447416
Just upload the html,pdf,rtf,txt or word file (zip it first) to any simple file host (catbox.moe). Post a link and we will read your story and post any feedback in this thread

>>20447658
Is somebody doubling up these posts to /wg/ or some shit.

>>20447267
Is that the human evolution to our ultimate form or some shit book?

>>20445101
I like watching and reading old discussions about SoIaF, from people that enjoyed the books and their theory-crafting and all that fun that was had.
I like to look up the accounts to see what are they posting now and it is the same.
It has all turned into bitterness due to countless delays and broken promises is one of a kind
It gives me this positive feeling that I don't know how to describe it with a single word.

>>20447667
Must be. I only posted about my stuff here but it was copied verbatim in /wg/

God damn, this is boring the balls off of me. The first two books were actually engaging, but this shit is moving at a glacial pace. Please tell me the novels after this are more interesting.

>>20447819
To my recollection they do, but 4th book also has a protracted misery-porn section of Ciri surviving in a desert. I remember 5 being quite fun.

>>20445278
You might want to try to find an eReader app for that phone so you can just download pdf's & etc...

>It's a chapter in a book.

>>20447875
worse than Bakker

>>20447738
No. In a nutshell, the book is about an alien species who've discovered the ability to bio-engineer themselves, which turned them into hideous bug monsters. They're called the Qu. With this newfound ability to modify and living organism, they start a religion to do exactly that to every living organism in the universe. Humans have colonized the galaxy once the Qu have found them, and they transform humans into a series of horrifying monsters. There's a lot of detail. It's sick shit but very entertaining.

>>20447999
any living organism*

>>20448004
note that the descendants of humans end up kind-of winning but becoming not unlike the qu in the process

>>20445101
>attempt to write
>1/2 of a page done
>feel an inmense desire to kill myself, delete the page and then kill myself again
when will it stop? If my brain is capable of understanding that the first draft is always shit, especially if you are beginner, why does my body keep cringing at every letter I type?

>>20448044
because you're a bitch and afraid of committing to writing the story you want. man up and stop being a bitch and continue writing after the first draft.

>>20445101
If my story gets rejected by all the prestigious sci fi fantasy magazines, what do I do with it afterwards?

>>20448044
>when will it stop? If my brain is capable of understanding that the first draft is always shit, especially if you are beginner, why does my body keep cringing at every letter I type?
Whenever I see good webnovels that gained acclaim, it's mostly bad writers that simply didnt care that what they write is cringe and just kept typing because they wanted, needed to write. They all get better in the end. What you need is the modicum of positive reinforcement from yourself or your peers, optionally from your readers if you post your shit somewhere. But above else you just need to feel the need to write, and not care about the quality too much. The story is more important than its quality.

>>20448090
burn it and then commit suicide.

>>20448098
>burn it and then commit suicide.
Seems drastic. Are you feeling okay, manhua poster?

>>20448106
no

Tolkien broke a ligament in his leg while playing squash on February 1st, 1936.

>>20448090
Write another story.

>>20448110
buddhism.webm

>>20448169
Sure, that’s the plan. I know editors who say those who are published for the first time in their magazines are usually on their eighth attempt or so.
I just mean… should I put the rejected stories in my chest and keep them for later reading and learning (from mistakes)?

>>20448191
hnk is more /lit/ than 90% of modern literature

>>20448209
It suffers from being serialized aka I can’t be bothered to keep up with it.

>>20448231
Just wait until it's done then. Serialization returns this June and there's probably not much story left.

>>20448243
Looks like weeb wish-fulfilment to me.

>>20448318
It is a tale of betrayal and suffering.

>>20448318
it's the complete opposite actually

>>20448090
The real value in publishing came from its ability to mass produce. There's no value in mass production now that copying is free, so they are left only with their ability to market you. Between eliminating the middle man and monetizing superfans, you would need a mass audience 10 times the size of a niche following just to break even. There is just no point unless you crave legacy prestige.

>>20448209
What other manga is good? I'm trying to get into it. Only one I read fully was Sanpei Shirato's Akame, and I read most of Dorohedoro.

>>20448116
Ouch. I hope he's feeling better.

>>20448380
if you like dorohedoro you'll probably enjoy chainsaw man, it's the same kind of crazy.

>>20448377
If there was no point then why don't the major authors self-publish instead? It can't possibly all be for prestige. I think you are probably more biased about this than you'd think.

>>20449038
It's just a net score of what I've read so far, guess it'd be considered my rating of the genre based off of that? I'd like to see it trend over a score of 6 personally, but... we'll see. 5 is average/decent and may do one thing exceedingly well (cultivation or story) but fail spectacularly elsewhere. Anything below a 5 is just... genuinely unenjoyable, but I give points if there were scenes that may have made me chuckle or comment on.

>>20449061
Major authors are those ones who by definition can take advantage of mass distribution.

>>20449077
Yet that post says there's no value in mass production now. Taking 100% advantage of 0 is still 0.

>>20449093
Production and distribution aren't the same thing.

>>20449100
Mass distribution requires mass production. If the value of one is 0, so is the other. If you are that poster, then you're ignoring your own points. If you aren't, then you need to state your own personal opinions.

>>20449113
No it isn't. You can have the organization and skill to promote 100% digital goods, which have no incremental cost of production.

>>20449121
You're right. I left out a word that I assumed was implied in the post, but was there, which was physical.

>>20449129
wasn't there, rather

On that note, ebook sales are still only a small fraction of physical sales. Who knows if they'll ever catch up.

>>20448842
>From the very start of the book the MC is an unlikeable, body snatching psycho. Finding no moral issue with stealing a man's life before settling into it fully.
I think the original died from a beating. His soul revived the dead body. Still weird, but not quite as ghoulish.

>>20449129
Well physical books outsell ebooks 4 to 1, but self-published ebook royalty to paperback royalty is something like 8 to 1. And the royalty on a self-publised ebook is nearly 3x the royalty of a pro-published one. And does your publisher let you sell pre-released chapters for $10/month? Plus, nothing keeps you from selling them paperback rights after you've found your audience.

>>20449203
Finding an audience is the hardest part by far. Marketing can make terrible products best sellers. There aren't really stats that I'm aware of that compares the median income between the two. I wouldn't be surprised if the median income equality wasn't worse for self-published. There's a few self-published stars, but they are most likely extreme outliers. If the Onlyfans stats are anything to go by, the vast majority lose money and put in a lot of time.

>>20449237
I was going type something different, but changed it so minus the word "equality".

>>20449237
Median income between the two is meaningless, because not every writer has the same motivations. Also, obviously the self-published bin will contain more garbage because there is by definition no filter at all. And the pareto problem applies to published authors as well.

But simply put 1 ebook sale at 70% =
1 ebook at 25% + 6 paperbacks at 7.5%. Are they moving that much more for you? If their promotional power could make a star of everyone in the stable then yeah, but that's not how it is. Anyway, I don't really care as I'm not a writer but there's never been a better time to be locked out of the system.

>>20449271
I had to see about some stuff, so I was delayed. Median income isn't meaningless. People tend to like to know ROI, or simply the expected value of their efforts. I agree that not every writer has the same motivations. Self-publishing, especially web fiction, is more of a side gig / content mill activity.

The royalties argument is miselading because the vast majority of traditionally published authors never earn out, which is to say they never sell enough to equal their advance. I think a lot of writers would prefer to have their money upfront and right away before they've written anything rather than writing and doing a lot and then only getting royalties which may never amount to much. From what I understand the main money for them comes from superfans/whales on their crowdfunding and then they find a company to help market their books to make more. I can agree that it's never been a better time to do it on your own, but that doesn't make it better than being part of the system for the average author.

>>20449359
this is less than 10 percent into the novel...is the whole thing really going to be about this woman being mind controlled by an ugly space pirate?

>>20449374

>>20449386

>>20449386
lol

>>20449357
>have their money upfront and right away before they've written anything
I'm not the other anon and I'm not an expert but as I understand it contracts usually spread out the advance over signing, manuscript delivery, manuscript acceptance, and on publishing. And unless you're established, you're not going to get a contract just for a book idea.

>>20449420
This is mainstream science fiction any child could borrow from the library, and not porn

>>20448090
Self publish on Amazon and make it available on Kindle Unlimited. You won't make much money, but I get about $200 a year for the few books I self published.

>>20449448
this is...less than halfway through the story

>>20449374
I've only read Lord Foul's Bane but Donaldson sure seems to have a thing about rape

>>20449430
Yes, that's true. Depending on the market and author, may have to write on spec, meaning having it already completed and submitting a manuscript. Then there are the publishers that only accept work for hire contracts where they pay the author a lump sump and there's no possibility of royalties and the publisher owns 100% of the rights. What works best depends on the individual.

>>20449472
inspired to right pulpy xenophilic romp

>Fantasy story where the main religion is all bros

Whichever clown mentioned Azarinth Healer a few days ago, you trolled me good.

>>20449448
In high school I was borrowing the Spaceways books from the public library. This series was basically a SF excuse for writing sex scenes

>>20445115
why does he add so many homo erotic undertones?

>>20449558
those aren't UNDERtones anon

>>20448467
I need to learn how to write litrpg. I wrote a little over 10k for one story but felt it was lacking in regards to System.

>>20449558
What could possibly more masculine than sexually dominating a man who thought he was more masculine than you?

>>20449558
I dare any of you womanish clowns to speak these things within earshot of me or any other Bakkerites. I would be upon you as a lion upon a young calf.
I would cut your eyes from their sockets just to show you the mewing atrocity I had made of your face, but only after dominating you.
You would lie prone, knocked to the ground by a world shattering blow. You'd feel me pinning you down, vice like. Your would reach out, wildly but uselessly, breath straining for the wild gallop of your heart, mind reeling for the premonition of what was to come.
Your pants would come down with a jerk, the musk of sweat and honey of anus wafting outwards. My curved phallus would stand erect, a pillar of ivory against the roiling musculature if my stomach.
Some lessons need to be taught.

>>20449476
I skimmed a little bit ahead in The Real Story and the whole thing is about the relationship between this guy and the woman he imprisons with the mindrape device. It looks like a fairly sincere character study that shows how he's deeply insecure and so on. I dunno I might read it.

>>20448386
He passed away.

>>20445101
Any characters who are strong independent women who don't need no man? Brienne of Tarth?

>>20449577

>>20448386
>>20448533
He lost his battle with broken ligaments in 1973.

>>20448503
Kids can do it, why can't you?

>>20449594
Bad example, she desperately wants a man.

>>20448090
Go on something like royalroad and publish there and if its good people will pay you to release new chapters, thats the only way (also secretly publish new chapters for here for your bros)

>>20448503
post it

>>20445330
Is the second apocalypse contained solely within the Prince of Nothing series or are there other books?

>>20449476
>>20449448
I will now read your novel

>>20449594
Emily Marshwic from Guns of the Dawn is stronk ant indypyndynt.

>>20448380
There are many charts in the OP.

>>20448718
Thank you. This is my first time, so I'm nervous.

>>20449374
No. Each sequel zooms out in scope. It becomes an epic spare opera by the fourth book, which by itself is 800 pages long. The characters introduced in the first book are the main characters throughout the series. Yes, the rape and torture victim becomes one of the protagonists and things get worse.

>>20448044
Because you have standards but don't have the skills yet to match those standards. Keep writing, build your skills. Eventually you'll reach a point of acceptable cringe (it never goes away) and that's when you're ready for outside feedback.

Xianxia/Cultivation/Gamelit Reviewfag back... again. Had a long car drive so I ended up finishing Beware of Chicken.

There's not a lot to say about this series that I haven't said about others. The main character Jin Roh is not actually Jin Roh, he's been body snatched by someone from Earth. There's no explanation for the true character, other than he knows how to farm and originated from Earth. From the very start of the book the MC is an unlikeable, body snatching psycho. Finding no moral issue with stealing a man's life before settling into it fully.

This is rarely touched upon unless the narrator needs to access Jin's memories to answer a question about his false past. He uses this ability to lie to the women he chooses to pursue. Within the first few chapters, the love interest (one of them) springs up. After two chapters, they are enraptured with each other and plan to be married. There is no depth to any of these characters, no soul or spirit; they are ALL caricatures that accomplish nothing.

The cultivation system is from the template - cultivators have a dantian, they take in qi. Only difference in this approach is that Jin Roh is indirectly nurturing spirit beasts - i.e his farm animals. A rooster named Big D, pigs named Peppa and Chunky. Every farm animal has a zoomer name and get up to secret animal antics when Jin isn't around. These segments are all poorly written and boring.

The author calls it 'parody' yet does nothing original with the genre. Building a harem around a farmer instead of a member of a sect, making animals into underlings instead of humans. What's worse is that people fucking love this garbage. I made the mistake of checking the author's patreon and he earns $14,000 a month for... drivel. It stuns me that books like this are considered the height of the genre.

This book was HIGHLY recommended to me. I feel like I should end friendships over it.

Final Score - 3/10

>Current Book:
Lord of Mysteries by 'Cuttlefish'
>Next Audio Book:
Heaven's Laws: Prodigies by Apollos Thorne

Previous Scores:
Cradle Series by Will Wight - 9/10
>>20411292
Ave Xia Rem Y by Mat Haz - 8/10
>>20409801
Forge of Destiny Vol. I by Yrsillar - 7/10
>>20276359
A Thousand Li by Tao Wong - 7/10
>>20259011
Virtuous Sons by Ya Boy - 6/10
>>20411188
Bastion by Phil Tucker - 6/10
>>20411188
Mother of Learning Act I & II - 6/10
>>20367274
>>20442557
Reverend Insanity Vol. I by Gu Zhen Ren - 5/10
>>20259349
Soulhome by Sarah Lin - 5/10
>>20374490
Reincarnation: Threads by Michael Head - 3/10
>>20209353
Last Ship in Suzhou by Lungs - 0/10 (Dropped)
>>20279014

Mean Score of 5.4 (5.9 without the dropped score). Short post today, I was here in the last thread.

Definite Reads (5+ Recs):
> Worm by 'Wildbow'
> The Wandering Inn by 'Pirateaba'

Tentative Recommendations (2+ Recs):
> Soulship by Nathan Thompson
> Sufficiently Advanced Magic by Andrew Rowe
> The World After the Fall by Sing-Shong
> The Second Coming of Gluttony by Ro Yu-jin

Any good alchemist fantasy?

>>20445115
Lmfao literally WHO?

>>20448842
Well lucky for you you're finally going to get a good one next, LotM is excellent, and ACTUALLY different and unique. There's literally nothing even similar in the entire genre, which is a shame since it fits so perfectly.

>>20445732
>Feminist trash Earthsea in S tier

Commit sudoku

>>20449859
The Black Iron Legacy by Gareth Ryder-Hanrahan. The main characters aren't alchemists, though.

>>20447267
>Pictshurr bewk

Cringe

>>20448727
There's no reason to be nervous when anonymous.

>>20446622
A thousand years from now people will be baffled about the concept of reading a book, because all information and entertainment will be relayed by holo media that engages all the senses, including touch, taste and smell. There might be adaptations of LotR into holo media, but the actual text will be irrelevant and all but forgotten.

>>20448940
A thousand years from now every last human will have been dead for quite some time.

>>20448842
I don't remember if you ever said what these numbers mean. You said want an average of 6, but what does that mean? Is 5 average/decent and worthwhile to read it is it less than that?

>>20448392
Not really.

>>20448842
you have eyes but you fail to see mount tai...

Actually managed to download The Judging Eye audiobook. Took a while to find the torrent and there was only one seed but I managed.

>>20449938
Unlucky that the Aspect-Emperor books are not narrated by David DeVries.

>>20445278
b-ok.cc

>>20447567
i don't think it matters
i've only read Lions of Al-Rassan and Under Heaven, and greatly enjoyed them both

>>20449577
topperz

any fantasy novels where the main character is genuinely racist?

>>20450188
Ring Shout
Black author writing black characters who loathe non-blacks. Plot twist is that white people are inherently evil, so they're easy targets for demons to posses.

Are there any sci fi or fantasy that you found unpleasant or not entertaining but which gave you the longer lasted pleasure of learning a valuable lesson or delving into a question deeply? I’m sort of sick of reading stuff that plays on my dopamine.

>>20450200
No. You give too much credit to the genre. If it‘s not entertaining, it‘s shit.

>>20450244
People thinking that sff has good writers is one of the biggest copes of this general.

>>20450285
Go read a book, faggot.

>>20450285
I have to agree. The sooner I understood that good sff was actually advertised as fiction the better of I was. And it‘s not even close with regards to quality. Only a handful of sff writers are actually worth anyones time.

>>20450285
Did any author here ever win a Nobel prize?

>>20450319
Like THE Bob Dylan?

>>20445732
Replace once and future king with le morte d'arthur for the love of god.

>>20448842
>. From the very start of the book the MC is an unlikeable, body snatching psycho. Finding no moral issue with stealing a man's life before settling into it fully.
Honestly what's the point in reading as much as you do if your reading comprehension is so poor that you can't even interpret the start of an incredibly uncomplicated story correctly?

>>20450404
>comprehension
>interpret
>uncomplicated
>correctly
Stop using long words to try and impress people. Just type normally.

>>20450328
That should tell you how bad sff writers actually are.

An epic tale of medieval horror

>>20450594
Buehlman is based.

>>20450610
>pronouns in Twitter bio
>based

One thing i can say is that it's the best looking book cover ever.

>Serwë was his proof!
Proof of what - that he didn't fuck a man?

>bad guys are evil because... because they're evil!

>>20450617
Yes, more based than your favorite author.

>>20449577

>>20450617
>>pronouns in Twitter bio
I'll not be reading any of his books then.
>>20450633
Fuck off troon

>>20445115
>>20445149
>>20445150
>>20445293
Bakker get help seriously bro

>>20450635
Filtered.

>>20450640
Good. Evil tranny cult ideology is a good way to recognize things to avoid.

>>20450644
Sounds like someone needs their meds.

>>20450651
Yes, trannies need medication to help mutilate their bodies, we all know.

>>20450654
Why are you screeching about trannies?

>>20450656
Pronoun identification is part of gender ideology. It's a the same thing.

>>20450657
Why are you screeching about it? American, I take it?

>>20450659
Because it is evil and I will not support it in any capacity.

>>20450668
So, mental illness.

>>20450673
Yes, transgenderism is a mental illness, I agree.

>>20450677
Of course, but you're also clearly mentally ill.

>>20450678
>Unless you think a man can slice his dick off and turn into a woman you are mentally ill
Amazing the things people can be convinced to believe

>>20450678

>>20450678
>It's wrong but if you say anything against it then you're the wrong one
The only people who use this argument are those who support the thing and want to stop any criticism of it.

>>20450651
Nobody likes trannies anon, even other trannies.

>>20450678
If Buehlman put pronouns in his Twitter then he's a gay bitch who's pandering to tranny supporters. Not that it has anything to do with his novels.
He can do that, he's thinking about his livelihood, but in the same way he wants customers who patronize him for supporting things they support, there's nothing wrong with not patronizing him for supporting those things.
You don't need to defend him, he's probably doing fine and will continue to do fine.

The only reason a man would identify as "he/him" is because he consents to the idea that a man could be something else.

sci fi and fantasy?

>>20450697
DELETE THIS!!!!

>>20450681
>>20450683
>>20450685
>>20450687
Meds. Trannies should hang, but you fags are demented.

>>20450711
This is correct: >>20450685. You aren't fooling anyone.

>>20450716
No, anyone who screeches this loudly about this in a SFF thread need meds. I'm not an American. I don't give a fuck about your gender politics one way or the other.

>>20450719
>I'm not an American. I don't give a fuck about your gender politics one way or the other.
Then hide the posts and stop replying. If this isn't a problem you have to deal with in your culture then I don't care what you have to say about it. Fuck off.

>>20450724
Or, you can fuck off back to /pol/. Or take your meds. Preferably both, moron. Take a look at this post chain and reconsider what you're doing with your time.

>>20450726
You can just report him, you know? It’s that simple.

>>20450726
You've been defending trannies and crying about my posts just as much, for something that supposedly has nothing to do with you. Take your advice and go fuck yourself.

>>20450732
Haven't defended shit, senpai. I've only called you a nutjob for screeching about them. Meds. Now.

>>20450733
That is the effect of your behavior. See >>20450685

>wake up
>check sffg
>another day of reading underage newfags respond to and argue with other underage newfags
sasuga

>>20450736
What in the actual fuck are you talking about, schizo? You're having an argument with yourself. No one's defended MUH TRANNIES. Seek help. Your grip on reality is slipping.

>>20450673
Fuck off to Reddit maybe pal

>>20450741
Lol the gaslighting. Every time.

>>20450747
Yep, legitimately mentally ill. The "gaslighting" happened entirely in your head and you've been arguing with yourself this entire time. Your reading comprehension and retention is severely lacking. How is it that you find yourself in a genre fiction general thread on /lit/ when you're clearly illiterate? Let me guess, audiobookfag? Regardless, take your meds.

>>20450749
At this point I am convinced you are a tranny. You've overplayed your hand so you might as well just stop now.

>>20450633
>>20450640
>>20450651
>>20450656
>>20450659
>>20450673
>>20450678

ywnbaw

>>20450752
Ah, so you've realized how fucking stupid you are and have resorted to Discord-tier trolling.
>>20450753
That's right, I won't, and I don't want to be. Actually, I'm a Norwegian male and my dick's 21.45 cm long. I want to keep it. Only attracted to women, want faggots and trannies to hang. I also want /pol/ schizos who always bring up the topic of trannies and then screech about them to hang.

>>20450738
Bakkerspamming was better than this.

>>20450754
Either stop replying to the /pol/tards or just report them, but stop derailing the thread already.

>>20450754
Shut up you retarded tranny freak.

>>20450753
Seek help for your mental illness freak

>>20450191
>nominate for Hugo
>won Nebula
Why am I not surprised?

I'm calling it, it's the same retard replying to himself

>>20450786
I wouldn‘t say so. But the malding one is probably just faking it.

>>20450191
One of these days this shit will spill over and it'll be funkytown time

>>20450786
It is now. What triggered the /pol/fag was literally "Buehlman is based."

>>20445101
>pick a book to read about cool speculative societies in strange environments
>the author uses the premise as an excuse for describing institutionalised pedophilia
Happens too often to my liking.

>>20450755
They're both fucking idiotic and tiresome. Nothing but squabbling kids and there is nowhere to discuss books online with adults other than diamond dozen forums or extremely niche hidden (dead) sf forums.

>>20450827
Trannies will face opposition in any place with integrity. If you don't like reading it then too bad.

>>20450841
>no one:
>schizos: TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY
Don't care, go back to spamming weebnovels you demented fuck.

>>20450848
>You can't discuss authors ideological positions stop it
Seething retard.

>>20450852
You are not discussing anything. You are screeching. Take your meds and you will understand.

>>20450852
You're not discussing anything. We've already seen you have a loose grip on reality. Meds. Now.

>>20450855
Yes, meds blah blah. Get a new schtick.

I see that the schizoid tranny obsessed retard has found his way to /sffg/

>>20450855
>>20450857
Look how they parrot each other.

>>20450859
He's been here for months. He regularly has his posts deleted and ban evades. Between Two Fires has triggered him before in the exact same manner, which is why that fag posted it to begin with, most likely.

I read an old sci-fi book years ago, where a group of children from a community sharing a planet with aliens ended up killed in some weird ritual, and then it was about some of the others lives as adults? The aliens were called Dancers.

Does anyone remember it/remember the title? I can't for the life of me find it.

>>20450859
I find it ironic how the go-to insult that tranny defenders use is mental illness and medication. What do you call this kind of rhetorical tactic? I don't think it's simply projection.

>>20450859
Crossboarders are nothing new.

>>20450864
That's kind of similar to Xenocide by Orson Scott Card but only loosely.

>>20450872

Man I found Speaker and Xenocide both pretty obnoxious. Ender got whiny.

>>20450864
The only series I know of with Aliens called Dancers is the Lost Fleet by Jack Campbell.

>>20450872
Oops I meant Speaker for the Dead, not Xenocide.

>>20450867
>defenders
No one's defending anything. People are calling you a schizo for having a melty for no reason. See >>20450749

>>20450876

This was a standalone novel, it was cool. There was this whole thing where children were being mutilated but it turned out not to be what people thought it was. It was neat. But I can't for the life of me find the damn thing.

>>20450879
Stop replying to him already, you fucking retard. If he bothers you so much, just report him.

>>20450879
Good one dude. Two points to Trannydor.

I'm realind the Elric saga. Why are they so popular again?

Why don't people like Victorion?
I think he's awesome

>>20450867
Maybe you should stop obsessing over trannies 24/7 constantly posting about them and spamming your stupid ack shit.

If you don't want to be called mentally ill then maybe you should stop acting like you are.

>>20450897
>I'm not mentally ill you're mentally ill
>*cuts off penis*
Lol good one

>>20450900
Seek help freak

>>20450903
>freak
Lol they just keep coming!

>>20450889
Because they were the anti-Conan after 30 years of Conan. The Elric series also rode on the wave of the general 80's upper middle class English shitlibery that declared that everything English was decadent and awful. Basically Moorcuck is to Howard what GRRM is to Tolkien.

>>20450906
>I-it's totally normal to obsess over trannies all day everyday
>I-I'm not mentally ill
>I enjoy having no life other than obsessing over trannies
Seek help freak

>>20450859
Stop samefagging

Where's that woke jannie when we need hir? Clean this shit up and rangeban the /pol/faggot.

>>20450909
Yeah I watched one interview and a minute in Moorcock is smugly mocking the Republican Texans he lives around, what a fag. The writing style is kinda weird too, easy to read. Wish I'd found them as a kid, I'd have really liked them

>>20450917
Are you reporting the /pol/faggot?

>>20450912
Oh you used freak again. Getting stale now.

>>20450889

The problem with Elric is that, as cool and imaginative as some of it is, the actual prose style is really basic. It's hard, living in our time with a more refined style of writing, to read a lot of that stuff.

>>20450917

Cmon bro you can bait better than this.

>>20450922
Just like your tranny obsession, freak.

>>20450925
Using the same insult three times in a row after I pointed out how ironic it is, that's now a good showing for your tranny sisters.

>>20450920
The thing about Moorcock is he's a typical Brit boomer. It doesn't matter where he lives, he'd complain about it. He hated England, he hates America, he hates everything. Honestly I don't even think it's political with these kinds of boomoids, they gravitate left simply because leftists give them a free pass to be negative about everything and complain all the time.
Typical whiny brit boomer expat who wants to make their negativity your problem. The type that tries to get into your local council and pass local laws about what type of plants you can have in your yard, or how many pets you can own.

>he's still responding to himself
Post limit soon anway.

>>20450924
Yeah the prose is very basic. The introduction is very cool but apart from that it's like he's trying to emulate Tolkien but not too well

>>20450932
>Using the same insult three times in a row
>it's OK when I spam the same tranny stuff Al day everyday though
Seek help for your mental illness freak

>>20450940
Maybe I was wrong and it is just projection. That seems more likely now.

>>20450867
Accuracy. One has to be projecting to so indiscriminately and in a sustained manner be calling everyone one single thing all the time.

Do people not report the /pol/tard?

>>20450946
Trans sisters we have to unite our powers to get him banned!

>>20450943
>projection
Is that why obsess over trannies all day long? Is because you are actually a sel loathing trans?

Makes sense.

>>20450950
Yeah that's an old insult that gays have been using for a long time. Not impressed by this either.

>>20450953
>impressed
I'm not trying to impress you anon, I'm telling you to seek help for your mental illness.

>>20450958
Stop replying to him already, you dumb fuck.

>>20450874
I liked the later parts of the Ender saga with Orson really doubling down on the ethical dilemmata arising from interaction with alien species. The original Ender's Game concerned itself with the question whether preemptive xenocide against the buggers can be justified in light of the apparent impossibility to even communicate with them. So then come along the pequeninos, we CAN communicate with them, yet preemptive xenocide might STILL be the rational thing to do, because part of the pequeninos' very life cycle is nothing short of the most devastating plague ever encountered by man. Despite the general tone of Speaker onwards being very different from Ender's Game, it expands upon the themes of the first novel very nicely.

What bothered me personally how esoteric it all became towards the end, and the whole affair getting resolved by one of the biggest dei ex machina in all of fiction.

Ender was always a whiny bitch, btw.

Anons, I'm finally doing it. I'm DEEP DICKING into fantasy and science fiction books.

After finishing The Hobbit and reading a little bit of The Lord of the Rings, I have acquired a stack of books and I'm going to read through all of them.

I quit gaming and I have no other hobby (outside of learning Japanese, but I'm already fluent in Japanese, so I'm not required anymore to invest a lot of time in it).

This is my list and god have mercy, because I don't have a lot of free time and I hope I finish this stack of books in this year (keep in mind that I follow "Make it Stick", "Deep Learning", "Atomic Habits", and "How to read a book" rules, so I'm not reading like those retards who brag on Youtube that they "read" 5 billion books in the last week).

My reading list (and god have mercy, because finishing all those books in this year looks nearly impossible)
>TLotR
>Mistborn (the first 6 books)
>The great book of Amber (1 to 10)
>Wheel of Time (0 to 14)
>Malazan Book of the Fallen (1 to 10)
>The Stormlight Archive (1 to 4...)
>The Black Company (all 3? books)
>Kingkiller Chronicle ( 1 to 2.5...)
>The Book of the New Sun (all 4)
>A Song of Ice and Fucking finish the Series ffs George RR Sharting (1 to never gonna get finished/Sanderson will finish it like he always does finish books for people who are life quitters before their books are finished)
>Dune (all six books)
>Hyperion (all four books)
>Witcher (all eight books)

And if you ask yourself why I even post it here, it was literally the "Recommended reading chars" which not only got me into fantasy, but also stole my money and now my time. Fuck whoever made those charts, but now I'm in the fantasy autism spectrum and my autism now forces me to read all of it.

Either I finish all those books in this year or die trying. Or as "Atomic Habits" would say: "I'm not trying to finish those books in this year. I'm a reader and this alone will carry my lazy ass to finish all those books in this year"

>>20450867
>losers sperg out like they're actually unhinged as they cry about something that in no real sense affects their live in any significant way, beyond being a convenient scapegoat to avoid self-reflection
>durrrr y ppl think this krazy hurrrr
Also, you're so fucking dumb you don't even understand irony. Hilarious levels of brain dead coping. It's always funny how idiots like you are so desperate to try and sound smart, you only ever succeed in showing how fucking stupid you are.

>>20450958
>The correct treatment of trannyism is to succumb to mental illness
>I'm trying to help you with your mental illness
I am laughing man keep it up

>>20450972
You can't understand why it's ironic because your brain has rotted through their ideology. Sorry man.

>>20450963
He's responding to himself, genius.

>>20450978
There are at least three people posting. Look at the post times:
>>20450855
>>20450857
>>20450858

>>20450973
Whatever anon, you enjoy obsessing over trannies all day, enjoy having them live rent free 24/7 in your head.

Meanwhile us mentally sound people will enjoy living our lives enjoying things and not having no life other than thinking about trannies all day long.

>>20450970
That shit is all entry level normiecore. Being literate doesn't put you on the spectrum, faggot.

>>20450985
Ok. Check this.

>>20450798
If you go back a couple of threads I made a perfectly ontopic post and they sperged out at me.
I didn't reply but a chain of replies still happened anyway.

Reported all this shit hours ago, janny needs to speed up

>>20450970
Get rid of the Kingkiller Cuckolding and Marvelborn. Add instead Memory, Sorrow and Thorn by Tad Williams and your pick of the Magic of Recluce by Modesitt.

>>20450867
The goto tactics for all american identitarians and leftists in general is to accuse your political enemies of the things you yourself are guilty of. It's been this way for over a century.

>>20450992
>Reported all this shit hours ago, janny needs to speed up
Is it low-effort posts or spamming/flooding?

>>20450986
Thanks anon I will keep up the fight since I have your support.

>>20450998
No problem, when you look back at the end of the year and think about all the things you did during it all you will be able to say is that you spent all day everyday obsessing over trannies, spamming tranny threads and posts.

This is your life, it is all you do.

>>20451010
Sounds good, I appreciate the encouragement.

>>20451025
>he actually enjoys spending all day everyday obsessing over trannies
>he enjoys having no life outside his basement and his pc spamming about trannies
>he thinks he isn't mentally ill

>>20450970
Look at this normie.

>>20451030
Stop replying to him already, you dumb fuck.

>>20451030
If you make twenty more replies to me I will stop for the next hour.

>>20450968

Yeah but ender being a whiny kid was one thing. Him then being MORE whiny later is where it got on my nerves.

Anyway there's no real need for a dilemma, you exterminate the xeno, the mutant, the witch and the heretic.

>>20451040
You do realize this is a general and another one will be made straight after it, like it has been for years now? Do you think you are killing the thread by spamming?

>>20451057
Who said anything about this thread?
1/20 by the way

>>20451057
If you keep responding to him like a retard, then the threads will be derailed, and no one will be able to talk about books here.

>>20451066

Wait, we're supposed to talk about books?

What sff work can recreate the feeling of reading chainsaw man for the first time?

>>20451079

The chainsaw man novel.

>>20450200
Discworld has some fun insights. Nothing exactly groundbreaking, but packaged into fairly whimsical questions about humanity as a whole. A very nihilistic sort of optimism is present in those books.

>>20450200

Are you a retard?

Why does one have to come with the other? Virtue signalling is so weird.

>>20451054
Well, the base assumption here is that all intelligent species should deserve the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, whether or not they're humans. Saying that only your own species matters and all others can get fucked is certainly another way to look at it. But then the buggers are also perfectly justified in trying to exterminate humanity to start with and Orson apparently didn't want to go there.

>>20451098

I mean, I've got nothing against live and let live, but if an alien species is hostile it's completely justified to scour them from the face of the universe.

>>20451112
Hence the dilemma introduced by Speaker. Given that the buggers attacked first it's easy to say "they just got what they had coming to them" but the pequeninos are not hostile per se. Their biology is just fundamentally at odds with human biology and poses a tremendous risk. Does that make it okay to preemptively kill them all? Orson does take care to point out that the humans have their own weapons of mass destruction, which they have willingly used in the past, so can't the pequeninos claim the same right to preemptive self defense, following that same reasoning? I think it's an interesting topic to explore. If I just wanted to read "haha xeno go boom" I'd just 40k novels or something I guess.

>>20451093
You don't seem like you've read serious literature then. All fantasy is wish fulfilment from my experience but I was happy to try something that isn't.

>>20450738
Shame it derailed the thread.

>>20451178
How did it KEEP FUCKING GOING. Doesn't this shit usually peter out after people realise they can just not reply?

>>20451175

I've read a ton of serious literature, and that wasn't my point.

My point was that including "something that you didn't enjoy" alongside "thought provoking" is virtue signalling.

Learning a good idea counts more if you didn't enjoy the process? That shit's retarded. Why not just ask for literary sci-fi/fantasy?

Here: Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, first novel, Lord Foul's Bane by Stephen R Donaldson.

>>20451183
/pol/fag's mindbroken. People don't give a shit about his drama.

looking for recs on horror sci/fantasy
in fantasy realms I'm not looking into anything specific, but I've got my eyes on god's demon and between two fires
for scifi i was looking into something like event horizon, do you guys know anything like that? I've already read blindsight last week

>>20451178
>>20451183
>>20451185
>why does it keep going
>I say as I continue to post about it

>>20451190
>leave for hours
>come back
>schizo's still at it
>why is it still happening
>because /pol/fag's a schizo

>I WILL NOT TAKE MY MEDS
I know.

>>20451183
Newfags have regularly been shitting up any and every discussion they see since 201 heavily.

>>20451195
post again please

>>20451183
Because you had two retards replying to the /pol/tard despite people telling them to stop it and just report them.

>>20451199
Doesn't matter now. Hit the bump limit. Take your meds.

>>20451184
Unless I meant that as strictly: enjoyment = gratification of a desire. I even highlighted that there can be a longer-lasting pleasure of knowledge and learning from a lesson, which is a Platonic idea.
>Why not just ask for literary sci-fi/fantasy?
Not everything that is literary is deep nor profound nor teaches a lesson. A lot of it is art for art's sake, especially in the 20th century when what we call fantasy and sci fi crystallised into the form we discuss in this thread.
I'll check those books out.

>>20451198
2011*

>>20451205
The most shallow literary fiction is still more profound than the most thoughtful genre fiction.

>>20451203
post again please

>>20451215
That doesn't make sense since genre fiction grew out of texts such as Frankenstein or The Raven. Further, we can look at links with surrealism and symbolism after Poe, or even epic poetry and sagas, e.g., the Eddas (especially for Tolkien), the Beowulf, the Odyssey, the Iliad, Orlando Furioso, and The Faerie Queene. Shakespeare is a prime example of someone who wrote genres, often fantastical, and a lot of his reworking of Ovid appears even today in (dark) Fantasy. There isn't a clear distinction between these categories, but I do think there is a spectrum.

New bread when

>>20451235
Why are you even replying to him?

>>20451260
Never. This is the end.

>>20450631
Yeah, and that shit's cool

>be a schizo
>get accurately called one
>seethe, going no u unironicallly
God I hate the current state of /pol/tards. After Trump it's been nothing but brainlets crying like actual faggots nonstop because they're so mentally lacking and damaged. I miss the days when it was mostly edgy atheists and liberal minded, but I guess that's the price of progress when reason and logic finally start becoming more mainstream and all the retards and losers are driven out to the periphery of society. 4chab is the last place the stupid have to vent and cope, pretending their edginess is a substitute for intelligence.

>>20451356
Keep posting about it

>>20451356
*4chan
Also I'm trans by the way if that matters

>>20451356
Weak bait.

Bakker is still the King.

>>20451515
..of poop and piss

>>20451515
Based.

Someone bake new bread

>>20451620
Page 10 you ass.

>>20451620
All the new thread are made in page 10. Have some patience or get a life.

Someone use the Volsunga as new thread image :D Ich liebe Sigurd

>>20451625
>>20451628
There is no need to be upset

>>20451620
Waiting for the schizo meds to kick in before we make a new thread.

New thread
>>20451675

>>20449173
This is correct, I should've made that distinction from the get-go. Would've helped me avoid the next poster.

>>20450404
It's getting tiresome having to re-open these fucking abortions just to quote them at people when they want to get smart. My apologies for shortening it... Jin Roh was beaten to death during a match against outer disciples at his sect. Seeing the vacancy, our body snatcher swoops in and takes over Jin Roh's life. Occupying the space where his soul must have been. He then goes on to say...

'Jin was full of wanting to become a powerful cultivator, a master among masters, and do whatever it is the dickbags who run this place do, which is presumably to be dicks, dickishly. I kinda... didn't care about his motivations. My body now, buddy. Sorry, not sorry.'

You're right, he's not a psychotic at all. Didn't steal another man's body, and there surely wasn't a demonstration in the first two chapters where the body snatcher had to actively suppress Jin's memories and being, lest he be consumed by it. Disregarding all of THAT, take the dialogue at face value. What the fuck is redeemable about this writing style? What's worth DEFENDING?

Do right by yourself and stand for a better quality of writing.

>>20451697
>It's getting tiresome having to re-open these fucking abortions just to quote them at people when they want to get smart. My apologies for shortening it... Jin Roh was beaten to death during a match against outer disciples at his sect. Seeing the vacancy, our body snatcher swoops in and takes over Jin Roh's life. Occupying the space where his soul must have been. He then goes on to say...
>'Jin was full of wanting to become a powerful cultivator, a master among masters, and do whatever it is the dickbags who run this place do, which is presumably to be dicks, dickishly. I kinda... didn't care about his motivations. My body now, buddy. Sorry, not sorry.'
>You're right, he's not a psychotic at all. Didn't steal another man's body, and there surely wasn't a demonstration in the first two chapters where the body snatcher had to actively suppress Jin's memories and being, lest he be consumed by it. Disregarding all of THAT, take the dialogue at face value. What the fuck is redeemable about this writing style? What's worth DEFENDING?
>Do right by yourself and stand for a better quality of writing.

Anon, I don't think you have the context to judge it properly. It wasn't supposed to be treated as 'Jin doesn't care about the person that got killed*,' but instead as a comedic twist on an already beaten to death 10000 times 'I transmigrated to another's person body in Xianxia' cliche. Taking it to at face value is retarded as hell, you are missing the entire point. I do think that Beware of Chicken is not a masterwork of writing, but it's one of the better works in the genre and the stury works by paroding it. Things like cultivation system being basic as fuck and not imaginative is not a problem because these things NOT MATTERING is the exact fucking point.

The story is basic, the protagonist is OP MC without trying, it's basically a wish fullfilment of another kind, but it's still a funny, comfy story. I do not write this to tell you that you are wrong, but to say that you lack the context of the genre and your expectations for the story might not have been the right ones. This is anti-xianxia story, you are not supposed to like it FOR being xianxia.

*I don't know how you could have missed that (probably due to audiobook, audiobook fags are known for missing details because books are written to be read by eyes, not some fucking person reading them out-loud), but the original guy is no more dead than new Jin, and his 'soul' is just as broken as Earth guy's, who died too after all, it's just that together they make a whole person and Jin has control..
On another topic, I don't remember you mentioning Worth the Candle, why? It's not only one of the best webnovels, but also the most serious work in the genre. If you want something where the character is a horrible person and the story treats that fact seriously, then try it.

>>20445538
Try Moon+ Reader Pro mas multitude features can read any files. It works in ny shitty phone too, but you have yo dl the file for it to read though