/lit/ - Literature

First

Grimdark is superior *mic drop*

Reverend Insanity shill has nothing to offer. That story lies dead, rotten and forgotten. Meanwhile The Wandering Inn has never been stronger. Choose wisely, good foolk of /sffg/ thread.

second

tolkien fucking sucks

kill yourself moralfag happy fiction faggots

Second for Bakker and Vance and Peake and Wolfe and Tolkien and GRRM

Amber sucks!

>>20354804
you forgot Herbert, but it is okay, you will remember next time

and also REH.

>>20354784
Should fantasy protagonists be sex havers or celibate?

>>20354808
Agreed. Banal waste of (admittedly limited) potential, just like rest of the author's disappointing oeuvre.

>>20354794
Ehhh, give it a shot. On the upshot, it's very authentic about its setting. There's HUGE tracts of exposition about the tundras and steppes. You want to know how the characters create a dugout canoe? We'll you're going to fucking find out.
The downside is that the Protagonist Ayla is essentially the definition of a Mary Sue. She's the smartest, toughest, most brilliantest smoking hot babe that were was and she gets a boyfriend who is a 6'6 aryan gigachad who left home and travelled across the world because he could never find a woman who was capable of taking his 15 incher balls deep. Then she spends the entire third book cucking him with a nigger.
There's also a stupendous amount of graphic sex. It's full blown fem coomer material, it's got a content to smut ratio similar to the coomlit we talk about here. Similar in the sense that the coomlit we talk about has ALMOST as much sex.

why does every shit book have a 4 rating on goodreads?

for me its: "In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war."

>>20354761
I'd be glad if my father actually appreciated fantasy books. Sorry your dad is a filteré though.

>>20354828
Found out after 20 years of barely talking to the man that my dad is a huge anime/manga/fantasy book nerd. Guess it runs in the genes

>>20354862
>anime/manga
I would not be glad if my father appreciated those things. It may be, it just may be, that his love for the mind-addling anime and manga have ruined his taste in actually good books. You might try to lure him into the right path first with some fantasy that is more anime-like, like Mistborn. No kidding, he might even like Sanderson's books. It is only after those that you move on to something better, and only after that, if even then, you might try to persuade him to try Bakker once again.

>>20354867
He's showing obvious signs of cognitive deterioration or early dementia/alzheimers. I think he just enjoys the animation and vibrant colors and shit. He consumes such much entertainment on a daily basis he probably wouldn't be able to recall the name of the last anime or book he watched/red lul

To the anon that recommend FanFicFare thank you so much. I just tried using it for the first time a few minutes ago and it worked perfectly.

>>20354867
>Mistborn
I've DNF'd two Sanderson series already after their second book, so I'm reluctant to invest time reading Mistborn. Maybe this time it'll be different since it's actually finished

I'm so fucking sick of people saying TWOW is not coming out
It is fucking coming out
It's coming out by the end of the year
You're all just fake fucking fans who think this is a hilarious and sick joke, fuck you

>DNF'd
Reddit: the acronym

Why are you faggots stuck in an endless loop of talking about the same books and authors?

Try reading other books from different authors.

>>20354892
no

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>>20354894
Dumb fucking frogposter

>>20354895
The very least Gurm could do before he dies would to do what Karen Traviss did after she got Disney'd, make a blog post and outline where the characters and plot lines would have ended. Then within 10 years you get some decent quality fanfic for the fans who really can't let go.

Reminder that if you have not read Tolkien in recent memory as an adult, you are a midwit and should stick with brandon sanderson.

>>20354884
It was never even announced for this year.

>>20354913
the word was called

what is /lit/s opinion on neal stephenson?

>>20354913
At my current reading tracjectory I'll have read works from every fantasy author except Bakker, Tolkien, and Erikson

GUYS

>>20354930
He is protecting his virginity from a filthy slut.

>>20354930
Literally me

>>20354926
literally who

>>20354956
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Stephenson#Novels

most known for snow crash & cryptonomicon

>>20354926
Only read Diamond Age. It was meh.

>>20354892
I'd like to read different stuff, but it feels like nothing worthwhile is getting published anymore. Tell me this: Has there been anything from recent years that harkens back to the good old days? By which I mean when men were manly, women were sextoys and knew their place, and both niggers and faggots simply didn't exist in novels.

>>20354913
fuck off moralfag

Im not reading your shitty tolkien novels

>>20354884
The fatass has lost his motivation and incentive to finish what he started, just fucking face it. It's embarrassing that there are still people jumping up and down in excitement whenever he farts out another vague tease for TWOW.

>Winds is going to be a BIG book guise, you won't believe how big, the BIGGEST book yet, oh yeah baby, at least twice as big as my fat wife's wrinkled vagina flaps, SOOO BIIIIG
stfu and stop falling for this crap

>p.p.s. If you enjoy the rest of the Inheritance Cycle, I'd recommend the Wizard of Earthsea trilogy by Le Guin, Tolkien (of course), Magician by Feist, The Worm Ouroboros, The Gormenghast trilogy, the Dragonriders of Pern by McCaffrey, The Dragonbone Chair by Williams, Dune, the Belgariad by Eddings, and the Mabinogion tetralogy by Walton. Have fun!
How is Paolini's taste?

>>20354988
>By which I mean when men were manly, women were sextoys and knew their place, and both niggers and faggots simply didn't exist in novels
Sounds like the average Xianxia/Wuxia/Cultivation novel

>>20355020
Absolute normiecore.

>>20355006
it has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with prose, vocabulary, word choice, and poetic art. You wouldn't know these things because you are stupid. You read books that don't challenge your brain and imagination (you probably are one of those mouth breathers that can't imagine things or have no daily narrative in their head).

>>20355019
Better than Rothfuss, who's editor had to come out and that they haven't seen a chapter from him in a decade.
Gurm has a precedent with writing too much for one book already, so it's not cope to take that statement at face value

>>20355019
>The fatass has lost his motivation and incentive to finish what he started, just fucking face it
yup, sadly

>It's embarrassing
no, stfu
asoiaf is absolute kino
and the show diverged from it so much that we didn't get any meaningful closure

luckily it appears that fatass has written a ton for TWOW
so at the very least i expect that book to be released, even posthumously if need be
i expect that book to conclude stannis the mannis' arc, "hold the door", cerceis' arc, dany showing up to westeros, etc

>>20355029
>"This article is right: authors don't owe their readership books, but what about the publishers who paid them? Book publishing is not as lucrative as many other professions, and publishers rely on their strongest sellers to keep their companies (especially small companies like DAW) afloat. When authors don't produce, it basically fucks their publishers...When I delayed the publication of book two, Pat was very open with his fans--they knew what was happening. I've never seen a word of book three."
Imagine picking up an unfinished fantasy series

>>20355028
dont care

I only read grimdark novels

How do I get people to read my writing?

>>20355034
grimdark isn't a literary term

>>20355036
write good
go to khan academy and study literature

>>20355033
Luckily I'm a zoom zoom, couldn't imagine sitting through the waits for asoiaf, Berserk, or Hiatus X Hiatus

>>20355039
cry about it moralfag

you're not getting me to read tolkien

>>20355045
keep reading sanderson

>>20355036
Relentless self promotion
Putting out your writing for free
Pandering to women
Connections to Jews

>>20355036
I think a lot of people these days start out by posting on various writing forums for feedback, or uploading to Royal Road

>>20355046
cry more psued

>>20355029
I believe Gurm's editor made a similar statement about having seen nothing new from him in a long time. And that was years back.

>>20355058
Damn you're right, The Forsaken was released all the way back in 2016, yikes

>>20355057
I'm not crying. Laughing at your low intelligence.

>>20355064
>but that was only last ye-
>2016 is now 6 years ago

>>20355065
Im laughing at your psuedointelligence

>>20354913
I reread LOTR every year in November when the weather starts turning cold for maximum comfy. I've been doing it for nearly ten years now.

>>20355069
What Gurm is doing with finishing asoiaf reminds me of what I do with LoTR and Malazan. Just pushing it to the back of the reading list every time it pops up. For Gurm it's working on his TV shows and blog posting

>>20355021
>tfw slanteyed commies are putting out less woke garbage than contemporary western authors
the absolute state

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1652204933348.webm

>>20355020
I watched the earsea TV show on Sci fi channel in like 2004 or 2005. I liked it. How was that relative to the book?

>>20355082
>He doesn't know pepelaugh
>Shanghai opening transgender clinics
>One of the most popular Chinese TV hosts being openly MtF trans
>Shit ton of Yaoi and Yuri in Chinese popular media

>>20355070
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>>20355034
SHUTTHEFUCKUP

Give me your best sff book with a nature theme.

>>20354884
Bro he is working on a Yi-Ti tv dhow instead of writing wind's. Preston Jacobs is writing one chapter a month so at his current rate he should be done in 6 years.
It's over.

>>20355031
I'm reading a clash of kings. When does stannis ever become likable? Arguing with him is like arguing with a modern progressive

>>20355108
Winds of winter sample chapter. His plans cone together

>>20355108
likeable? fucking never
but you will start to respect him

>>20355108
You'll like him when he becomes the new Night King

>>20355104
Who even fucking cares about Yi-Ti? Pointless retarded not-China he only came up with as filler for the world map to begin wth.

Post the last book you finished.

i posted a meme, therefore Im right and you're wrong.

cry about it, it will make victory taste even sweeter

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>>20355020
Isn't Eragon's concept lifted straight from Dragonriders of Pern? Execution is more Star Wars, but still.

>>20355163
Pretty much. Plot of the first book is beat for beat a new hope.I think it's an okay kids series. I really like it when I was young but there us no way I could go back to it now.

>>20355136
How was that? Literally the only thing I know about the author is he does a lot of audiobook narration. Is it good comfy shit?

>>20355136
Dune but made for a modern audience, with a war against human eating space Dark Elves, and if you want to read through 3,000+ pages before not-Paul becomes emperor

>>20355175
I remembered reading the 4th book when it came out, I'd read the first two/three when I was younger and still more into them, but the last one just felt... Empty? I dunno, Eragon somehow became less and less of a character as the story went on, which is saying something, and the story just became all over the place and even after finishing I completely blanked on how the fuck the big bad died. The whole confrontation with him was just gone.

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>>20355100
Chinese fujos aren’t trying to be woke, they just want to shlick to pretty boys putting sword hilts up their butts. It’s refreshingly non-woke.

>>20355185
I think the big bad dude was layered to the tits with defensive wards, so Eragon and friends wove a spell to give him empathy, and in remose/madness he blew himself up or something.

>>20355176
>Is it good comfy shit?
It is exactly that, Its about an orc who leaves her old life of adventure to go open a coffee shop, super comfy.

I'm ashamed to admit that I like LOTR because there are minimal women thoughout the story.

Someone post the witch king image

>>20355197
>shlick to pretty boys putting sword hilts up their butts
I can now understand the appeal

>>20355200
God I remember NOTHING about him. He was a complete non-character. It's like he looked at the Emperor (because that's what Galbatorix is, he's Palpatine to Murtagh's Vader) and decided to give him no gravitas at all. I often wonder if I just accidentally didn't finish the book or something, like I just stopped reading and didn't notice because of how uninteresting it was. I'm pretty sure I accidentally reread a scene of Rorik in a village twice. Younger me had no concept of keeping a story in his head, but damn I at least tried.

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>>20355197
This is bullshit. Chinese fujos are known to be batshit insane.

>>20355202
Are you ashamed of liking it or are you ashamed of hating women?

>>20355218
My favorite parts of Eragon was just Rorik going ham with his hammer and l soldiers and having to face those brainwashed soldiers who were magically altered to be unable to feel pain.

>>20355202
eh, women kinda suck

>>20355240
my dick, hopefully

>>20355233
I'm ashamed of hating women. I don't care and can't relate to women in fiction and fantasy.

>>20355239
Yeah that's basically the only part I remembered from the last two books. And a passage about Eragon being weirdly aware of how many bugs he's killing as he's walking around some woods. Just kinda jumped out as odd to me.

>>20355239
Roran would have been a better protagonist and unlike Eragon he didn't end the series a virgin

>>20355020
>Promises to have a fifth book where he ties up loose ends (Menoa tree sacrifice, etc.)
>In 2014
FUUUUUUUUUCK it's never happening is it bros

>>20355253
His name's Roran? Where the fuck did I get Rorik from?

>>20355260
It's confirmed for 2023

>>20355253
god i forgot how chad roran was

>>20355253
>Rorik
>Roran
Damn it's been so long, I don't even remember the correct names lul
Roran probably would have been a protag, I agree.

>>20355200
>>20355218
Yeah he felt all the suffering he caused then he cast a spell that stopped himself from existing by turning his body into thermal energy. I though it was a cool way to beat the villain rather than a typical fight. But as villans go he was as one dimensional and generic as they come.

>>20355265
Eragon's main issue is he develops as a character by losing his personality. He goes from curious but cautious boy eager to explore to... Hero man.

>>20355266
The more I hear about this shit the more I'm convinced I either didn't finish the fourth book or just skipped so much text I skipped over that entire confrontation.

>>20355212
I swear Lan Wangji is just gay cultivator Mr. Darcy.

>>20355136
>interracial lesbian couple on the front cover
I'd almost say this is based simply by how unapologetic it is.

>>20355159
Looks interesting, different from any fantasy I read.

>>20354802
It's not funny anymore. Just boring and gay.

What books did you anons read as a kid? I remember starting off with Magic Tree House in kindergarten then jumping to Eragon, Dragon Rider, Ranger's Apprentice, Peter Pan and the Starcatchers, and Tunnels

>>20355263
Don't give me hope like that, anon. It seems like this is going to be a real ambitious one, maybe I should reread the past books since it's been easily 6 years or so
https://inheritance.fandom.com/wiki/Book_5
>>20355272
>Eragon finds huge hidden stash of eldunari hidden from Galbotorix when he took out the original Riders
>During the final battle he uses them to help subdue the much larger group of young eldunari that Galbotorix made insane and evil
>Saphira fights Galbotorix's big ass dragon that he made basically the size of the throne room with his magic
>Galb discovered the True Name of the Ancient Language, literally lets him hack reality
>Made a spell so that anyone who hears him use it instantly forgets it
>After the fight Murtagh knows it and shares with some main characters
Do you remember any of that at all? It's been forever but I remember the important parts

>>20355308
Rangers apprentice was absolute kino. It's the series that really got me into reading.

>>20355308
>Ranger's Apprentice
Fuck I loved that series, the comedy was so great. Were the spinoffs any good?

>>20355308
First one was a random book about Pirates, the cover looked cool and it had a pirate skull on it so I bought it.

>>20355330
I read the first 3 viking ones. They were good but not as good. By that time I was also getting a bit old for the series. Might be nice to go back since they are so short.

>>20355323
I remember them finding Dragon eggs after getting tested by some ancient dragon spirit, then Arya or whatever her name was hatching her dragon at the end. I remember the author pussying out of showing her and Eragon kissing, but I remember him offering her his true name, which was kino

>>20355330
The first Royal Ranger book was surprisingly depressing to read as a kid, especially with the death of a certain character in the times kipper between it and the last Ranger book with Will

>>20355308
I remember reading a lot of Star Wars in second/third grade, Redwall in fourth, and Perm in fifth.

>>20355384
I remember reading The New Jedi Order books and Legacy of the Force. I never read Redwall but I do remember reading Guardians of Ga'Hoole

>>20355323
I remember the crazy newborn dragon and the hidden ones, I remember Galbatorix going full power mode (though I thought that was known before the confrontation) but I just do not recall him being beaten. It must have just felt really anticlimactic and I just didn't care about the book at that point.

What's up guys, quick question: is 'cloistered away' or 'secluded away' (not 'away FROM') a valid construction ? 'Secluded away, I started investigatin the properties of...'

>>20355308
Robinson Crusoe

>>20355479
Wrong general for that. >>20345513

>>20355308
I think I read some Magic Tree House, Harry Potter, then Eragon, then I kind of went on a grab-bag of random fantasy stuff for a while. Think I started the Spook series when I was like 14/15, though I only read a couple of them. Read Bartimaeus around that time too, and sort of intermittently kept reading non-Discworld Pratchett before I delved into that as an adult.

>>20355308
Animorphs actually

>>20355308
I only started reading as an adult. When I was a kid all I cared about was bikes, going out with the bros and video games.

>>20355308
Wrinkle of Time series, Star Wars EU novels, Jurassic Park, that series about the kid brother and sister who time travel to locations/eras based on the letters of the alphabet, that series about a group of schoolchildren who think every scary adult they see is actually a monster or alien or vampire or something but then it turns out they're just normal people who look different, and probably another one or two kids' series along the same lines I can't remember.

>>20355308
LotR/Hobbit, Harry Potter, Eragon, Artemis Fowl, His Dark Materials (all around the time I was in middle school).

>>20355520
>that series about the kid brother and sister who time travel to locations/eras based on the letters of the alphabet
The magic treehouse
Loved that shit

jolenta putting her booba out for some heavy petting before laying there like a starfish as severian fucks her on the boat

>>20355573
Oh yeah, Artemis Fowl and HDM. Didn't read all the Fowl books, think I stopped caring when there was a time skip and twins or some shit.

>>20355279
Like Bakker said, make it so pozzed it becomes non-pozzed.

Any books like The Foundation

>>20355120
Are winds of winter sample chapters legit? I don't count things outside of the books. Blogs and sample chapters are not relevant

>>20355202
This is one of the reasons why lord of the rings is so good. The women in the books are actually good as well. You should never feel ashamed. Progressive brainwashing.

>>20355687
Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire
I, Claudius

>>20355689
they were read by the fatso himself
i think there is one that was not released officially, but merely transcribed on the fly by a fan in a convention

>>20355689
They are as close to canon as we will ever get. I think he said he wouldn't release any more because he didn't want to spoil the book. Although it may be because he just hasn't written aything else.

most realistic first contact novel?

>>20355772
Hunt for the Skinwalker

>>20355790
please im afraid of skinwalkers

>>20355835
It's actually about high strangeness like Mothman Prophecies and "ultraterrestrials" like Jacques Valle talks about in Passport to Magonia. Basically a higher intelligence that somehow allows people to manifest strange things like a treeline of tropical birds showing up in the middle of Utah then disappearing, crop circles, "Men in black", etc like collective consciousness tulpas

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>>20355057
I don't really care that much about prose. But it's true that Sanderson sometimes says things that take me out of the book for how "modern" it sounds. It's hard to think of examples now in the moment. But I'll try to come up with an example. Characters will be talking, and then they'll say something like "the ball is in your court". Which raises the question: what kind of sports do they have in this world? Do they play with balls in courts? Is it such a common sport that the saying would be understood by all these culturally diverse people?

That's kind of a bad example, but I hope you get what I mean. Another example I remember more clearly, is that in the stormlight archive, they call these world ending disasters "desolations". I like that word. A desolation shakes the entire world, there's a massive culture reset, humans rebuild, and then another desolation comes. The cycle repeats so much, that humans have come to know that word as common term. It's in their religious texts.

So then randomly the characters are talking, and I think it's Shallon who exclaims something to the effect of "The storming apocalypse is coming!" Which gives me pause, because now I have to consider where she got that word from. That's like a biblical word, right? They don't have the bible in this world. They have a few fantasy religions. Why did she suddenly use "apocalypse" instead of "desolation"? Wouldn't the desolations be THEIR version of the apocalypse?

The dialogue just felt out of place. The characters were in the midst of quipping. So it was a very quippy line in context. And it took me out of the book for a minute. I wish I could think of more and better examples, but trust me, Sanderson's writing is like that. He'll toss in modern idioms and ways of phrasing that sound out of place.

>>20355871
Sanderson is, admittedly, using the Tolkien-esque explanation of "the dialogue is 'translated' into English", like Wit's jokes and puns that only make sense in English aren't really that exactly in actual fact, he's saying it in the Alethi language and it's a similar vein of what the joke is. I don't recall too many idioms that rely on modern culture showing up, though. And apocalypse is a general world-ending event, a Desolation is a specific thing in-universe. So a Desolation being called an apocalypse makes perfect sense to me.

>>20355887
I just don't believe that a world that has a well documented world ending event, would adopt a second word to describe world ending events. They would call all world ending events a "desolation". It's in the same manner as people calling something a "zombie apocalypse". Even though an apocalypse use to mean something more specific along the lines of a heavenly messengers granting knowledge, or some shit like that. But over time, it became a general term to mean the end of all things. So in their world, if they were writing fiction about zombies, they would call it a "zombie desolation." As the word that meant something specific transforms into a general word.

>>20355923
Eh, I think that's a particularly stretched example to find something wrong. Apocalypse and its variant words has become so divorced from its real-world origins that it simply exists in English as a word to describe a world-ending event. The Desolations in Stormlight were a specific event, and they might call non-Desolations as such, but they might wall call them world-ending, or just apocalyptic, etc.

>>20355931
Where would they acquire a second word to describe the end of the world? Without real world context, who then was the author that originally coined the term "apocalypse"?

>>20355863
Ive read both Prophecies ad Magonia but something about Skinwalker has an undeniably "evil" aura

>>20354784
A few months ago someone said that some writing of mine was banal; have I improved?

Right now an event similar to the crisis of the 17th century is occurring. The king of O'eda Grion of Soorina Hasov has plans to send an army to their lands in the Ingomet of Algio. There are rumors circulating in the Algian court that the minister of war has plans to reconquer the land as a means of raising revenue to prevent the barbarians (the Frooqie) to the west from raiding. In the east, the Cathrian Empire is experiencing internal turmoil as after a long line of kings acting more as puppets of the nobles as well as the Tumol mercenaries being very fond of choosing their very own king the empire is beginning to feel civil strife. Ultimately the empire will fall at the end of the century due to Tumol uprisings because of a lack of pay, a Veranian invasion into their heartland, and the people viewing themselves less as Cathrian and more of their own ethnic group

I hate Worm, I hate Worm so god damn much

>>20355939
It's more incongruous with the fact that the Alethi language trends towards oversimplification (they call a whole range of things 'cremlings', and every bird is just 'chicken'), admittedly, but I just view it as the Desolations were never anything more than an event. They were never used to refer to world-ending stuff in specific, and even before the Desolations there were equivalents of 'apocalypse' and whatnot.

>>20356058
Shut up wormtongue

Now I'm convinced that the phrases I found strange and the phrases repeated multiple times to describe something in "I Shall seal the heavens" are 100% the translation's fault

For 3 books this idiot was called pill ghost, out of nowhere in book 4 now he's pill demon, and look at this sentence "If I, your master, end up returning to the dust, then I can smile on HIS way to the due underworld"

Not to mention a multiple times that a character used masculine and feminine pronouns to talk about himself in the same sentence, multiple times things like 1 page said that the character was there for 2 years, on the other page it said that he was not there even for 1 year

>>20356095
I'm going to burst out laughing if I get to book 5 and they go back to calling him by the name Pill Ghost

>>20354892
You mean authors no one has ever heard of, or what? I respect the webnovel readers for that, at least I get to hear about a segment of authors I wouldn't have known existed. It's well known authors with contemporary self published authors, a decent mix.

>>20356095
Chinese seems to have a lot of MTL issues going on. I dunno if that's where a lot of the xianxia memes come from, or if Chinese is just idiom-heavy, but as a result there's a lot of sameyness about translated Chinese books.

>>20356058
Why?

>>20356107
For some things, yes, but how do they make a sentence like that and fail to notice that it has no logic? Or the character's sentences using She/Him several times talking about himself, English is not even my main language, how could someone born speaking English not notice that

>>20354884
>It's coming out by the end of the year

Do you even know how long it takes to publish a book? If it were to come out by Christmas he would have to announce its release either this or next month.

Anyway all we can cope with for now is Preston Jacobs getting blackpilled on GRRM doing anything other than TV productions, and started his own TWOW fanfiction project, which just released its second chapter today.

Chapter 1, Danaerys: https://www.docdroid.net/BD7dyLw/daenerysi-docx
Chapter 2, Areo Hotah: https://www.docdroid.net/1lLJOT5/the-princes-justice-pdf

I thought the Dany chapter was okay, but I actually loved the Areo Hotah chapter.

>>20356147
I don't think they do. These aren't exactly professionally-done translations a lot of the time.

>>20356063
I didn't really get the chicken thing. I supposed that Shallan(was it Shallan?) never saw a rooster before. Which is why she thought the green feathers to be remarkable, as opposed to the coloring of female chickens. I also imagine that with all the storms, it can't be easy for life to exist in air. So they probably don't have many birds. If there are any at all, then they would be rare things. Maybe they had a lot of birds millennia ago, but all the storms forced them to the ground. Natural selection made them all flightless birds, and so therefore they're all "chickens". Just fanciful speculation.

Look, maybe you're right. Maybe it does make a king of sense that they would have another word that means apocalypse. But I just don't think it's likely, with the way language normally develops. If you get a small cut, then what do you look for? A "band aid", right? Well, that's actually a trademarked term. The generic term is "adhesive bandage". You might shorten it for bandage. But how to you distinguish between a loose bandage and a sticky bandage? You would ask for a band aid. I think it's similar to that. Where even if you did have a second word for the end of the world, you're not going to call it that. Because the big major word that sticks in your mind is "desolation". That's where you would comfortably settle in conversation.

And who knows, after millennia, the word apocalypse might even be forgotten altogether. Which I think is much more likely. Because they don't know how to read the old language. After many cultural resets, they have new languages, and that new language describes the most earth shattering event as a "desolation".

And besides, even if you could *technically* allow the use of apocalypse, it just sounded bad in the moment. It sounded like a lapse into Marvel movie quipping.

>>20356173
The chicken thing is just a quirk of the Alethi language. The only birds that exist are from Shinovar, and chickens are the ones that really got widespread because some people farm them and a lot of their meat is exported and such, and the Alethi language has a tendency to oversimplify things that really should be separate, so they don't really have "bird" as a word, they just have "chicken", and they don't go into any specifics, all birds are just chickens to them.

>>20356148
Purple Days is one legit fanfiction of ASOIAF, not only it's decent and engaging, but in addition to treating characters and themes of the story as they should be treated, it also adds its own. Just remember that this is not the same story as ASOIAF, as only the events and the world is used, the story itself is something of a Time Loop with Joffrey as the protagonist. And it's fucking good. Some of the scenes are downright incredible, on par with GRRM's best writing. Don't expect any other closure with ASOIAF than Purple Days. I, for one, am satisfied already. If I saw a person who wants to read ASOIAF, I'd tell them to read the story up to Joffrey's Wedding and then start reading Purple Days. I recommend the same to you all.

>>20355308
I read a lot of Bruce Coville kiddie scifi, Magic Treehouse, Timewarp Trio, A Series of Unfortunate Events, started the Ender's books but most of that shit went way over my head because I was 14 or 15 when I read Speaker for the Dead. I went to a private christian school when I was little, and the options for reading after/between classes were either the Left Behind spinoff series for kids(which were just plain weird), Incredible Worlds of Wally McDoogle (actually childhood comedy kino), and scifi classics such as H.G. Wells and Jules Verne.

>>20355034
what would you define as a grimdark book?

>>20355871
I feel that. I read a lot of translated works and it really fucking takes me out of it when a shitty translation uses "jesus christ" or "jesus" as an expletive in a fantasy story where there are no hebrew religions.

>>20356193
And also, they called the chicken's beak and talons a "shell". They're very crustacean centric in their thinking.

>>20356234
Well, pretty much all wildlife apart from horses and 'chickens' are crustaceans for them, and I'm pretty sure it's implied both aren't native to Roshar.

>>20356208
>left behind
lmafo i think i had one of those

>>20355136
I would've read this much sooner if you lot had told me about the raping spree of based Titus.

>>20356260
I'm listening

>>20356260
Supreme? I thought it was pozzed.

>>20356295
The setting's ruling class has decided that the best way to teach the next generation how to obtain and maintain power is by letting them play out the whole process of empire building and conquest in a game. The students are pitted against one another to gauge their abilities and potential and almost no strategy is off-limits. Taking slaves is expressly permitted and one especially nasty student named Titus takes full advantage of it to have his way with several girls he personally captured. The teachers just shrug it off. I approve.

>>20356350
>The setting's ruling
ruling supreme?

>>20355520
>>20355308
oh I forgot to add that I read the first few Harry Potter books a lot in elementary school but once goblet of fire came out I sort of lost interest

>>20355941
It is interesting how over time the same ideas seem more malicious and less fun. Definitely a psychic reflection of humanity. I'm reading through Nick Redfern and Joshua Cutchin stuff now.

>>20356367
Yes, ruling supreme

TWI, volume 3, the constant POV changes are starting to irk me

>>20356382
I will now read Red Rising.

>>20356392
>TWI, volume 3, the constant POV changes are starting to irk me
They being too frequent, or the characters? It gets better in V4, there were some boring storylines in V3 that people disliked.

>>20356430
The Inn doesn't look so supreme, it looks cheap and like only poor people go in it, it looks like a pozzed experience, I rather go in a supreme 5 star inn who serves only the non-pozzed and supreme.

>>20356430
I can't say I hate any characters at the moment, I really like a lot of them to be fair, but I feel like a bunch of chapters (specially in this volume) could have been just cut and condensed into a small-ish organic recount of events after the side characters meet up with the main group or something
I understand that I'm going through months of chapters in hours, but it's taking a bit from my general enjoyment at this point of the story
Also, Celum arc felt a bit weird? I wasn't expecting it to last this long at this point of the story

>>20356457
>The Inn doesn't look so supreme, it looks cheap and like only poor people go in it, it looks like a pozzed experience, I rather go in a supreme 5 star inn who serves only the non-pozzed and supreme.
To be fair, this is the Inn in Volume 1. Its existence since then had been...turbulent. I believe the Inn was destroyed and rebuilt around five times. Actually, the early plotlines have a lot to do with the protagonist figuring out how to be competetive as an Inn outside the city, being the only human in the area where 100k+ Drakes live (draconic humanoids).

>Also, Celum arc felt a bit weird? I wasn't expecting it to last this long at this point of the story
I think it was the first larger non-liscor arc, at that point Pirate was still figuring out how to od arcs like that, they get even better later on. Also, Toren content is basically always great.

>>20356195
Life and Honor is much better

>>20356513
Why are you replying to the that spamming faggot?

>>20356525
>Why are you replying to the that spamming faggot?
Every opportunity is good to be talking about The Wandering Inn desu

>>20356528

>>20356367
The ruling class are humans who have been genetically perfected, they are basically space marines but genetically sculpted to look like Greek Gods. The entire galatic society is structed around Greco-Roman influences.

>>20356457
>author is a female
what did you expect

>Symon silver tongue
>The blue bard
>Marillion
>Mance (maybe)
>The nights watch bard
>All brutally killed or torture
What does GRRM have against bards, lads?

>>20356410
First book is meh. Golden Son is a vast improvement and the peak of the series nothing after comes close.

Just finished Hail Mary by Andy Weir , pretty good 4/5.

>>20356600
>“Oh?” I laugh. “Did you think I came here to be killed? Did you think yourself entitled to my life? No, Cassius. I came here to cut you down before your parents."
Best moment in the series hands down

>>20356627
whats this about

>>20356633
Spartacus's slave revolt but instead of the Roman Empire it's a Greco-Roman space empire with all sorts of fun genetic tinkering and fancy tech.
First book is an adult Hunger Games styled book to draw in readers, books 2-5 are full on space opera.

>>20356637
Love how Golden Son basically did the typical hunger games YA sequel in the first chapter.

>>20356637
>First book is an adult Hunger Games styled book to draw in readers
thanks I will now avoid reading your book

>>20356713
it's worth it but don't listen to me it's been ages since i read it & kinda want to catch up now

Maybe I'll make a list of all the books that are commonly forced upon people in the thread.

>>20356720
>replying to the spammer
Just ignore them.

>>20356728
It's called a chart, /lit/ loves charts, they love being forced upon, that's why we need a good king that forces people into good things, not a false king that forces garbage into people, we need a ruler supreme to reign in absolute honor and dignity and to let people read non-pozzed literature.

>>20356195
>>20356520
>tfw my shitty ESL-tier self insert fanfic in asoiaf got 100,000+ hits on ao3

Thoughts?

>>20354892
If you try to talk about anything shitposters just silence all discussion.

>>20356761
I don't know if it is just me but the translation from Chinese to English seems off.

>>20356761
>local woman ruins everything

>>20356767
Just report them, it’s that simple.

>>20356761
>"I hate women it's unreal" with love from China

how'd he get away with it?

Go ahead, talk about your pozzed book, see what happens.

Okay, I am done with I Shall Seal The Heavens. I've finished the first 'book,' saw the turtle fly away. And while I think the looting scenes were funny, the overall quality was simply not enough to continue reading. I'd probably think about giving it more of my time if half of the words weren't useless filler or repetitions actively decreasing my enjoyment from reading. I'm sad. Sad for readers of ISSTH, because I see that it's recommended so much, and after reading some of it I already can see that it appears to be much better than an average chinese novel, but it's still not enough to be a decent story. They deserve better than to have subpar fiction being among the best the genre has to offer. The dialogue is most of the time below YA level, the protagonist doesn't really earn anything, just gets lucky encounter after lucky encounter. His journey and character change does not appear authentic to me, not organic or natural. As a Progression Fantasy, it's below average.

My recommendation? Try to read anything else, unless you are a massive xianxia enjoyer. Otherwise the amount of time spent and enjoyment acquired is just not worth the time invested. Life is too short to read few milions of words of filler just to see few interesting ideas and scenes. You can do better. You DESERVE better.

>>20356769
That's with every Chinese to English translated work. it's why I skipped Chinese works altogether

>>20356794
So what're you on to now?

>>20356742
I did the same thing but I made it an original work instead of a fanfic and I got 100 hits total :^)

>>20356732
>>20356720
I'm not a spammer, let alone THE spammer, I just reflexively cringe at any association with a Hunger Games plot which is one of the most dogshit obnoxiously bad and insulting premises ever conceived

>>20356815
Honestly, probably just try out Lord of Mysteries as the only chinese story that I have any hope left for, then stay in Western progression fantasy circle. Possibly will try some actual published chinese fantasy books at some point, though. I want to check whether good asian fantasy exist. Actually, now that I think about, Bookworm something was a story that also seemed to be somewhat interesting, so will check that as well.

Look at this review for Foundation.

>>20356846
If you're the guy who was reading all that progression fantasy stuff before, you may have squeezed most of the good Western ones out too. There's some decent stuff in LitRPG stuff which isn't ALWAYS progression fantasy, but I'm really enjoying Dungeon Crawler Carl at least.

>>20356854
He's right. Douglas Phillips is pretty good, I like his quantum series.

I want to get portal fantasy'd so bad bros

>>20356772
>>20356784
Sounds amazing. Looks like I'm gonna buy it

>>20356854
>Look at this review for Foundation.
As a person that read the entire series, I agree that it's not that impressive. It's mostly carried by the interesting concepts of humanity being so old it forgot where it'd come from. Other than that, it was just okay story. The later additions of telepathy was weird and weak. Only the concept of concious galaxy, at the end, was something interesting again.

Those aren't bad books, but yeah, they are likely dated as fuck to current readers. I don't even back then the dialogue line 'My tits are cold, help me warm them,' would not be hilarious.

>>20356861
>If you're the guy who was reading all that progression fantasy stuff before, you may have squeezed most of the good Western ones out too. There's some decent stuff in LitRPG stuff which isn't ALWAYS progression fantasy, but I'm really enjoying Dungeon Crawler Carl at least.
I've probably read basically all the good progression fantasy webnovels like DCC right now, and am reading the good fresh ones, such as 'Speedruning the Multiverse' - a hilarious xianxia progression story where the MC is among the gods of cultivation, but keeps reincarnating to achieve the fastest possible ascension from zero, but with most of his knowledge removed. Full optimization, no sentimental bullshit, genuinely psychopatic behaviour 24/7 that even Fang Yuan would respect. It might actually be the best western xianxia that's similar to Reverend Insanity.

Anyway, as I said I've likely read all the popular webnovels, now I am delving into the published stuff, have to re-read and finish the rest of New Era Online series (big sentiment to that one, my first real Litrpg story after Way of the Shaman (which was shit after the first book)), stuff like that. Published stuff is an untapped potential to me, haven't read stuff like Completionist series or other popular progression fantasy. I just thought that chinese webnovels deserve their shot as they were recommended here so strongly. A pity they didn't live up to their name.

>>20356928
Western Xianxia seems to be either full parody (Speedrunning the Multiverse, Beware of Chicken) or just playing it extremely straight and yet doing it surprisingly well (Axe Xia Rem Y). Well, the good ones, I have no doubt there's FAR more shitty ones.

>>20356928
>Completionist series
I've not read that, but I have read some of the author's other stuff. Seems to be good at characterisation, a little heavy-handed on 'meme-y' humour (one story's prologue starts with not-Elon Musk finding weird magic shit and then getting distracted by making Space Y before finally doing something with the weird magic shit to set up the RPG thing the plot takes place in, it's... A little much).

>>20356148
>Do you even know how long it takes to publish a book? If it were to come out by Christmas he would have to announce its release either this or next month.
A Dance with Dragons was announced on March 3 2011 and published on July 12, so technically he has until August. Not that I'm holding my breath, personally.

>>20356784
>how'd he get away with it?
You answered your question already.
>with love from China

>>20356846
release that witch is also a good read.
also go read LotM alredy

>>20356854
retarded review, if it wasn't for the name i'd have bet any amount it was written by a roastie

>its a male only story
ofc it fucking is, its a scifi series, not a cookbook.
joking aside, that is factually incorrect
a female(robot) character plays a big part
there are also several female high ranking officials that play major roles, eg the main antagonist in one of the later books

>muh smoking cigars
if cancer was not an issue, i'd be smoking a cigar right fucking now. well, a cigarette actually, i don't enjoy cigars. instead im vaping
i think its perfectly realistic and likely to see a big resurgence of smoking if cancer gets cured and/or we figure out a way to clean lungs from tar

>boring story
perhaps it should have more roasties exploring their sexuality/feelings?

>>20356891
>The later additions of telepathy was weird and weak
makes a whole lot more sense if you read the earlier robot novels
i was extremely happy to see R.Daneel again

>are likely dated as fuck to current readers
the only part i found dated was the scifi-anachronisms
eg the part where the girl recites an essay and a machine writes it out, pen on paper
and she has to enunciate clearly
like, lol dude

>>20355308
what really got me into fantasy as a kid is Memory, Sorrow and Thorn, it took me a long time to read but it inmersed me in the world completely and i grew incredible attached to the characters. i haven't read it again because there's so much to read and i tend to read shorter things now

>>20356934
>Western Xianxia seems to be either full parody (Speedrunning the Multiverse, Beware of Chicken) or just playing it extremely straight and yet doing it surprisingly well (Axe Xia Rem Y). Well, the good ones, I have no doubt there's FAR more shitty ones.
West has basically only parodies or deconstructions of xianxias. I read stuff like Beware of Chicken, Arrogant Young Master Template A Variation 4 etc. before even reading my first real xianxia, Forge of Destiny. And even that was somewhat trope-savvy. And then I read Cradle. These things likely give me too big expectations of actual chinese xianxia. Especially because I used to browse /r/martialmemes and /r/Novel Translations, seeing all the memes and tropes all the time, so I felt like picrel when I finally saw my first face slapping of arrogant young masters in ISSTH.

Btw, Ave Xia Rem Y went downhill after the first arc, it still has some flickers of something better, but it's snoorefest right now. At least the characters are good, though. Maybe the author will have an idea where to take the story to make it better.

>>20357006
>Cradle
Cradle is weird because it feels like it SHOULD be xianxia but keeps aggressively being a comfy fantasy story with a bundle of friends. Ozriel's entire backstory seems like 'typical xianxia protagonist' except he gets bored and alone at the end of it all.

>>20357006
Cradle and Beware of Chicken put any Xianxia/Wuxia to shame. The people that enjoy the stupid ass troupes in Xianxia are the same manlets that enjoy Korean tower climbing/dungeon/system apocalype shit. If you're older than 16 and still reading Xianxia or anything Korean, you should be ashamed otf yourself

>>20356854
wait til you tell this person Asimov was a jewish pedophile

>>20356988
I find it exceptionally difficult to believe a kid even considered opening The Dragonbone Chair, let alone had the patience and appreciation of the lore to finish that story, unless your definition of "kid" extends to the age of 17 or 18.

Adrian Czajkowsk, aka ADRIAN TCHAIKOVSKY, is 100% British.

>>20357025
I've had similar feelings reading Dungeon Crawler Carl after reading some other LitRPGs. I didn't dislike the others I read that took it more straightfaced, but DCC's deconstructive, absurdist approach worked way better for me.

>>20357037
>I've had similar feelings reading Dungeon Crawler Carl after reading some other LitRPGs. I didn't dislike the others I read that took it more straightfaced, but DCC's deconstructive, absurdist approach worked way better for me.
You will probably like Street Cultivation then, it's something similar to Cultivation novels, although not as good as DCC.

>>20357030
Not him but I got into Tad Williams, Tolkien, etc when I was in middle school, 6th grade. It was a very different childhood compared to now though, back in the early 1990s. Especially since my folks didn't have cable/satellite TV and the only video games they owned were stuff like Myst. My options for entertainment were playing in the dirt outside or reading, and I preferred books.

>>20357049
I tried Street Cultivation, I powered through book one and then dropped book two. Rick is insufferably passive and incredibly boring, I just don't care about him as a character.

>>20357076
True desu, but if you read the entire trilogy it gets retroactively better due to some reveals. I believe there are two ways of readin Street Cultivation, either only the first book or all three. I wasn't a fan of the protagonist either, and skimmed most of the sister chapters. But the plot itself and underlaying theme really gets going in the third book. Honestly, the series is worth reading for the third book alone.

>>20357025
korean stuff is fairly good actually. though a lot of it ends up being guilty pleasure reads.

>>20357088
I'm sure it does, but it's low priority for me to even attempt to read that. I tried Soulhome by the same author and it just felt... Fine. Incredibly weirdly paced from the prologue to the main story. I kinda wanted to see some of him back on Earth trying to find his way back instead of just "Anyway 40 years later he got back somehow".

>>20357014
>Cradle is weird because it feels like it SHOULD be xianxia but keeps aggressively being a comfy fantasy story with a bundle of friends
That is the biggest problem with cradle, it's too ya, too focused on comfy fantasy setting with friends to the point where it feels just like a generic western ya fantasy with eastern elements.

>>20357025
>Cradle and Beware of Chicken put any Xianxia/Wuxia to shame
It doesn't. Cradle in essence is a western fantasy. Xanxia as a literary genre has a ton of potential and the only ones who are putting it too shame are ccp filtered chinese authors and westerners who pretend to write xanxia.

>>20357006
>Btw, Ave Xia Rem Y went downhill after the first arc
i felt like it had 1 weak arc so far, but otherwise it's still good and holds a ton of potential.

>>20357089
If I wanted a dopamine hit, I would just jack off, I don't need to read 100 chapters about Sun Jo Woo getting cheat code powers to kill his 5 childhood bullies and becoming God

>>20356590
The author hides xer gender.

What's the earliest or first sci-fi story to do the whole thing where Earth is acknowledged but at best its existence is kind of ambiguous and is some sort of mythical promised land that is long lost or doomed itself and that's why humanity spread to the stars? Kind of interested in seeing the origin on this

>>20357156
So a woman or a tranny

>>20357089
I don't watch tv but have recently discovered korean shows and some of them were pretty good. Will look into korean web lit next.

>>20356854
>>20356891
should i read it? i only watched the show but i really really like lee pace & the empire plot was great

>>20357156
So a woman or a tranny

>>20357211
>should i read it? i only watched the show but i really really like lee pace & the empire plot was great
From what I've seen the show was pretty modernised and added a lot of action and drama. The series is actually pretty chill iirc. I recommend to read the prequel 2-3 books (dont remember how many were there) and then the main series, read the next ones if you want more.

>>20357190
It could just be a guy writing gril-themed stuff and doesn't want to lose cred.

>>20357211
>should i read it?
imo yes
i couldn't finish the show, made it 2 episodes in before the injected wokeness ejected me
but ive read all the novels, including the robot novels that can be seen as prequels

the correct reading order(imo):

The Robot series:

The Caves of Steel. 1954. ISBN 0-553-29340-0. (first Elijah Baley SF-crime novel)
The Naked Sun. 1957. ISBN 0-553-29339-7. (second Elijah Baley SF-crime novel)
The Robots of Dawn. 1983. ISBN 0-553-29949-2. (third Elijah Baley SF-crime novel)
Robots and Empire. 1985. ISBN 978-0-586-06200-5. (sequel to the Elijah Baley trilogy)

Original Foundation trilogy:

Foundation. 1951. ISBN 0-553-29335-4.
Foundation and Empire. 1952. ISBN 0-553-29337-0.
Second Foundation. 1953. ISBN 0-553-29336-2.

Extended Foundation series:

Foundation's Edge. 1982. ISBN 0-553-29338-9.
Foundation and Earth. 1986. ISBN 0-553-58757-9.

Foundation prequels:

Prelude to Foundation. 1988. ISBN 0-553-27839-8.
Forward the Foundation. 1993. ISBN 0-553-40488-1.

>>20357224
>>20357261
thanks niggas
i'll dive in after urth

>>20357261
No Galactic Empire?

Finished Perilous Waif last week & I really enjoyed it. Any recs for similar stuff?

>>20357302
imo they are not really needed, but can certainly be included
either after the robots, or after all of foundation

the robot stuff is needed, otherwise the extended foundation & prequel stuff doesn't make lots of sense
i also skipped the robot stories (I, Robot), because similarly i thought they are not necessary

>>20357328
Are you the loli guy?
I gave you a rec when you gave your review. Look for your last post / review and take the rec from there.

>>20357368
No, I'm posting about this for the first time. I'll happily take your previous rec for the other guy though.

>>20357380
>taking loli recs
Based.

>>20357385
I mean, I wasn't after the loli factor *specifically* when I made the first post, but I'll take em. Alternatively, similar space opera/cyberpunk, perhaps with a mildly sue-ish protagonist.

Any fiction on how society will look in thousands of years to millions of years? I don't mean a prediction. Objectively, what will it look like.

can i get quick rundown on this series?

>>20357398
Thankfully, humans won't last that long.

>>20357398
warhammer 40,000

>>20357398
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future

>>20357410

>>20357380
>>20357390
Well it was a well written fantasy book, not a well written scifi one.
The Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop.
The lolis are kinda OP in this and that is why they have to be tamed...

>>20356761
I own it but i haven't gotten around to it yet because I kept getting told you absolutely need to read the sequels because the first book just sorta ends.

Rate my upcoming reading list
>The Red Knight by Miles Cameron
>The Bone Shits by RJ Barker
>Promise of Blood by Brian McClellan
>Winterbirth by Brian Ruckley
>The Winter King by Bernard Cornwell
>The Coming of Conan by Robert E. Howard
>Hawkwood’s Voyage by Paul Kearney

>>20357156
Why is this deleted? Does the author hide their gender or no? Is the resident shill so delicate she'll report something so mild?

>>20357531
The grimdark spammer deletes his own posts to give the illusion that he’s a janny

Is The Unholy Consult the last book in the series?

>>20357557
I was the author and did not delete my own post.

>>20357512
Rate it 2/10, only get two points cause Conan.

>>20354926
I liked Seveneves

>>20354926
As one prone to obsessive nerdery, I enjoy him as a fellow traveler. I used to read "In the Beginning" every year or two. "HE JUST MAKES A 'STORY AROUND A BIG INFODUMP" Yes. He's one of those authors I don't mainline just so I have something to turn to in a dry spell.

That said, I didn't love his latest and it made me feel he might be out of things to say.

>>20357611
>I used to read "In the Beginning" every year or two
kino
wintards & macfags btfo'ed thoroughly

>>20357619
Morlocks rule. Eloi drool.

>>20354926
>>20357611
>I didn't love his latest and it made me feel he might be out of things to say.
i didn't love the D.O.D.O. or whatever its called
i thought seveneves was amazing
anything later than that, i haven't read (i think there's at least one more?)
but snow crash, cryptonomicon, baroque cycle are some of my all time favs

>>20354784
Have any of you reached the point where you simply don't want to read modern fantasy anymore? I know this is going to sound like baby's first reading crisis, but this problem started for me when I put down a book I was reading for a few months and started reading Shakespeare. I started by rereading Hamlet and Macbeth. Then I couldn't stop. I did Othello and finished King Lear today. The writing is is so dense that it makes me feel like all the fantasy writing I used to love is just wasting my time. I'm halfway through Malazan and all I want to do is read more and more Shakespeare. I've been reading for decades at this point and never once have I felt like I was just done with fantasy like I do now. I feel an obligation to keep reading what I already own. Sorry for the blog.

>>20357398
Humanity isn't even making it past 2100

>>20357635
Only Bakkerchads will make it past 2100.

>>20357030
Not the anon you replied to, but The Dragonbone Chair was one of the first fantasy books I read. I read Tolkien in grade three or four and I was about nine years old when I started reading Robert E. Howard. I read way more in the years between eight and eighteen than I've read since. I had over three hours a day of free time to read during those years and I always had a book in my hand. I think you're seriously underestimating the capacity of other anons simply because your experience was different.

>>20357628
Yes, I did love Seveneves. I liked how he set it up as a muh science saves the day Andy Weir technothriller and then took a dump all over that while still keeping the spirit unbent. I was hooked all the way through. You have to respect it when the author changes the terms on you and you bite again rather than feeling betrayed.

That said, the only thing that connected with his latest was hog hunting.

>>20357642
Makes sense, society will progress past the need of sandersois, at that moment Bakkerchads will rule supreme and they will show no mercy, this thread will be mainly about Bakker and some selectively chosen non-pozzed books, at the end of every post you need to praise Bakker, if you don't you will be banned.

>>20357645
What I'm saying is Memory Sorrow Thorn is extremely adult by the standards of mainstream fantasy fiction, with graphic depictions of rape, torture, and murder; extensive philosophical rambling and psychological introspection; and long periods of inaction with little to no payoff in the plot. Individually those elements wouldn't completely turn off a youngster, but taken as a whole it's completely unexpected that anybody under the age of 18 would actually pursue finishing a single entry in the series, let alone the entire trilogy (quadrilogy). Generally, there aren't a lot of 9-year-olds who read the likes of the Bible or Stephen King in their free time, so that's why it's surprising to me.

>>20357673
Kids who grow up reading are less common now, I guess.

What's a book for that feeling you get when you stand under a night's sky and look up at the stars and there's so many stars and the stars are gigantic balls of fire flying around in space and we're on a huge rock orbiting around a huge ball of fire which is so fucking bright and I mean I could project my body up into the sky and fly all the way to a star and then I'd be lost and wouldn't know how to get back
There's like shit in space and stuff

>>20357656
I fight with giving Seveneves a try because everyone other you (You) seems to shit on the ending, let's say the last third of the book, so bad. anyway for me.. it really is Ted Chiang. I just love this guy's prose.. it's like I'm reading a manual for an expensive industrial piece of machinery I just purchased.

this thing makes me so horny it's unreal

>>20357718
No, the ending is great. It's not a climax or the end of the story, it's a transition from when the story we're invested in becomes a different story. And that has already happened, so what happens in the end is just the next turn of the screw.

The people who were mad at the first turn will be double-mad at the second. The people who were drawn in by the first turn will be double drawn in by the second.

I can't say how it will affect you but the things people object to in it were huge selling points for me.

>>20357733
checked and thanks..it's going on my to-read list. I haven't read a lot of Stephenson but I've enjoyed all of what I have read of his immensely (Snow Crash, Diamond Age, and most definitely Anathem I studied philosophy in college.. would you like room for cream in your coffee :^))

>>20357723
i beat off to the soldier having sex with the shrike

>>20357733
neal has done this before
its like you're having a 3some with a couple of gorgeus, sex crazed models
and right when things are going fucking great, they get up and leave
and sure, it was awesome, but fuck man, why are you leaving NOW?
snow crash was similar

Pozzed posters began their tyrannical rule
Women protagonists makes them drool
They talk about the SJW like they are good
The general once a palace now a shack in a hood

>>20357673
I'll have to read it again at some point. I don't remember it being particularly challenging as a kid. I'm sure some of it went over my head, but that's just the nature of reading when you're younger. I know for a fact that when I began my journey I didn't know a lot of the words being used by Robert E. Howard. It would have been weirder for me to drop a book than to power through it and fill in the blanks of what I didn't understand with some imagination or a dictionary.

>>20357557
Someone deletes my posts all the time just for discussing the contents of books

>>20357825
Sucks to be you then

>>20357825
have you been dabbing on jannies in the recent past?
if so, based

>>20354812

>>20357982
The left really can't meme. Wegs are supposed to be three imagines. THREE.

>>20357982
The pozzed can't meme
They will never rule supreme
The pozzed can't meme
All they do is rage and scream

I've been buying paperback ASOIAF books used and I gave a 'complete' set to my mum but she only read 100 pages of the first book and then said she couldn't read them

>>20358030
Misery of the GRRM reader.

>>20358030
oh no, fren

>>20358030
Maybe she heard fatfuck is never going to finish the series and decided Matlock reruns would be a better time investment.

>>20358034

>>20358030
Should have bought her the audiobooks.

>father teachers 6 year old son lesson
>boy's dog is wheeled into the room covered in lamp oil, legs chained to the cart, visible blood on the shackles
>father orders son to grab the hammer and break the dogs leg or else he'll set the dog ablaze
>boy breaks the dog's leg with one swing from the heavy hammer, broken bone is exposed, blood on his black fur, the dog wails and snarls
>father says, "one more"
>son, crying, complies. misses the swing and the dog jumps, swings again and breaks another leg
>father says again, "one more"
>son breaks another
>father says to break the last leg
>son says no
>father imediately grabs a torch to set the dog on fire
>dog screams not like anything before, actual screaming as he gets torched

>>20358064
Pardon?

>>20358055
Those aren't available for cheap sadly
I might buy her the dvds though but i'm not sure if she'd like all the nudity, it kind of disgusted me personally
>>20358040
She doesn't like Matlock she likes watching Big Brother and Married at First Sight
>>20358039
Thanks fren
>>20358034
I told her that her coworkers probably watched the show and liked it but idk
I just really like ASOIAF

>>20355772
The three body problem. Read it.

>>20354784
Can the anon that recommended The Bone Ships tell me some otter novels you like? You seem to have better taste than most ITT

>>20356761
Absolute masterpiece. This is my second favorite series in science fiction after Hyperion

>>20358064
Was this in a book or..?

>>20354988
time to go dumpster diving on the self-published section on amazon, anon

>>20358113
Three body problem
>china destroys the world, woman moment #1
>gamers also try to destroy the world
>based neet wastes normies money and gets a perfect waifu
>america tries to save the world
>based neet becomes a samurai
>super based america tries to save the world volume 2, woman moment #2
>your waifu pillow commits genocide and sends everyone to australia
>how not to fight a space battle
>kino fairy tale
>anime becomes real
>fast forward a bit
>woman moment #3, damning the multiverse

>>20358030
I lent them to my stoner friend many years ago and he was like "uh they're too violent and stuff". It seemed strange to me because he liked Stephen King.

>>20354988
>>20358124
also as a follow up, those are quite literally the stories being written, by females themselves, if you can stand anthro males on female humans

>>20358030
>gave Dune to my wife
>it sits unread at the bedside table

>>20358123
broken empire trilogy

i saw the broken and exposed dog bone. I saw the blood mixed with his black fur

I heard him. I heard him wail and buck around after getting his leg broken. I heard him scream as he was being burnt alive

I also had an imagine put in my head where lil rikey say he'd pulled out jorg's eyes out and that put an image of watching someone eyes being pulled out and then being fed to the recently blinded person

>>20355136
And thats where I stop.

Question for everyone here.

Do you feel authors that rely on ancient myths to base their stories "cheapen" their work by doing so?
For example, if you read a fantasy book involving the legendary Yggdrasil of nordic mythology do you think "couldn't this guy make an original, creative concept instead of take of a known tale?" or that doesn't change your opinion of the author and his work?

>>20355308
Bunnicula was the first novel I read. Before that just kids comics.

>>20358152
I thought it cheapened the Witcher’s worldbuilding. Having Ciri fuck around with King Arthur’s court was retarded. Having the norse religion in the witcher world was also dumb. It also seemed to be heading towards a direct christian theology which seemed off.

any romance novels about vampire girls?

male(reader) x female

>>20358152
No, I'm not an autist.

>>20358152
Depends what they do with it. Fantasy is the "white people religion/myth" genre so it comes with the territory.

>>20358152
Nothing is original, so it doesn’t bother me.

>>20358152
All art is iterative. But I do expect the author to change the names at least.

>>20358166
god I wish there were more

If you're fine with YAish schlock, the "Zero Sight" series by B. Justin Shier has a male human/female vampire romance between the two main characters. It's abandoned though, and unlikely to ever be finished.

"Let The Right One In" and the short story sequel "Let The Old Dreams Die" are much better, but they're more horror-focused and >female. Still worth a read regardless, and they have a relatively heartwarming ending for the leads at least.

I encourage you to post any vampirekino you find to the general, as at this point I think there are several posters who've been bitten by this particular fascination. There's something about the blend of fear, eroticism, mystery, and gentleness that is very invigorating. Twilight was wasted on its audience.

I just read "the many colored land"
It was alright, the writing was at least good, I can't fault him for that
Unfortunately I just couldn't get over the whole societal-level cuckage that was going on in the Pilocene era
It kind of just left me feeling angry and frustrated
Comfy well written books to recover from this feel?

>>20358166
Life and Death: Twilight Reimagined

how long should I wait after reading a novella series/novel before reading it again?

>>20358261
I've been asking myself this in regards to the solar cycle

>>20358261
As long as you want? Are you that indecisive that you need random people online to tell you this?

>>20358246
The Black Company is very comfy, if you haven't read it.

As an aside, I'm continuously shocked by the oversized focus on cuckolding/infidelity in science fiction, especially older stuff. Heinlein is the classic example, but a lot of those guys were weird fucks. It's often especially distasteful in scifi because it's portrayed as some normal or even desirable "free love" future thing, which really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Despite all of the memes, at least Bakker portrays it as something pretty unambiguously evil. Achamian certainly doesn't want to / like being cucked, and acts accordingly.

>>20358266
I want to know how long it takes to forget so I can re-experience it for the first time again

>>20358272
I have such a visceral and unpleasant reaction to rape and cuckoldry it can seriously ruin most books for me
Unfortunately I've read black company, all of gene wolfe and vance too

finished reading 172 hours on the moon last night
anyone know how the ayy got into the rescue capsule?
when exactly did mia write that letter found at the end?
and if there are humans around in 2080 the ayy invasion is an implied failure?

>>20358289
I feel similarly; I think that sort of reaction has become common in these circles, as people are aware of how this nasty shit gets spread everywhere. Love is the highest law, and betrayal the greatest evil. Betrayal of love is a sin against man and against the world.

Hmm, have you read The Night Land? Prose is awkward, but good themes and a fun story.

Hey guys,

I would like to know if someone has this book, or a link to it. I just found the sequel of it.

>>20358285
You'll never be able to do so unless you found the book utterly forgettable. Even if you wait decades, your mind will remember certain parts and twists of the story.

>>20358313
>oooooo beasts
what kind of title is that?

books about ufo sightings in historical settings?

>>20358322
Pretty sure that’s the grimdark spammer.

>>20358322
Beasts: The Road of the Hollow King

>>20358303
Interesting I'll read it

>>20358030
>then said she couldn't read them
Did she say why?

>>20354988
shcyuler hernstrom, i read his visions of thune excellent stuff and ticks all your boxes, he has a second collection out, the eye of sounnu, i did not read it but it has good reviews on goodreads

>Excellent collection of pulp sword and sorcery style tales with hints of Vance's Dying Earth and a tinge of horror along the lines of Karl Edward Wagner's Kane series.

>>20358246
the lies of locke lamorra
tuf voyaging
blacktongue thief

>>20355136

So do people actualy like red rising? It's just mediocre YA so far

>>20358458
Are you just reading the first book?

>>20357398
>Objectively, what will it look like.
How can anyone possibly know what society will be like in a few thousand to a million years time?

>>20358464
I've heard it gets better but I have a hard time believing that the author could improve that much in the sequels

>>20358493
The first book is the most inspired by Hunger games due to the publishing company. Book two is where you should concern yourself.

>>20358458
>mediocre YAs have rampant slavery, rape, sexism, classism and frequent public executions where the loved ones of the to be executed are forced to finished them off
Damn, I should be reading more YA

>>20358499
Edgy YA isn't that uncommon, Iron Widow is a pretty recent example

>>20358499
you missed
>casual spaceship warfare with 5 megaton nukes
>casual nuking of moons/planets
>casual massacre of women and children during House wars
>entire class of people created to be raped by the golds

>>20358508
Iron Widow was kina based for having an unashamed 3 way poly. The rest of the book was trash though

>>20358517
The books garbage, I'm just pointing out that you can have rape and abuse and still be YA

>>20358458
Book 1 is when you experience the Red Rising universe with training wheels/kiddie gloves on. Golden Son is a step-up sequel in every way possible

>>20358521
Then what's the point of YA?

>>20358561
Marketing.

>>20358561
Easy to read prose, young protagonists, simple narrative structures, ect

>>20358561
>>20358562
Yeah, there isnt actually a literary genre or group called YA, its purely a marketing term
Almost any book can be labeled as YA, which is a reminder to never listen to someone whos rejection or criticism of a novel simply because its YA
If a novel is shit, its not because its a YA novel, and all YAs are shit, its because the novel is bad

>>20358567
YA as a market has specific editorial standards that tend to make books shit

>>20354784
Threads aren’t even lasting a day no more. What I would give to have slow, comfy threads back.

>>20358570
>has specific editorial standards that tend to make the books shit
Such as?

>>20358575
>Threads aren’t even lasting a day no more.
Spammers, anon, blame the spammers.

>>20358577
Pacing, prose, age of protagonists, complexity of themes, ect are all aimed at what editors perceive as being appealing to a teenage audience. Anything too complex or hard to digest won't be published as YA

>>20358584
I blame the jews.

>>20358591
So youd say that already existing books grouped under YA wouldnt be shit if they didnt follow this editorial mandate
Would the Hunger Games be "not shit" if it wasnt YA?

>>20358602
>Would the Hunger Games be "not shit" if it wasnt YA?
Depends if the author decides to use the setting to its full potential.

>>20358591
>>20358602
Also, what of books that werent specifically edited to be that way but are?
You seem to be conflating complexity with quality
Take the Hobbit for example, it seems to fit about all your points for YA
Prose isnt difficult, young protagonist (Bilbo is basically a teen in hobbit years), no complex themes, and quite appealing to young readers
Does this make The Hobbit YA trash?

>>20358602
I think you can write good books despite the mandate but despite is the key word here. As for books written without the mandate that later get marketed as YA (Like mistborn) you can still write a bad book it's just not bad because it had to conform to certain editorial standards

>>20358611
The hobbit wouldn't be publishable under modern YA standards, the prose isn't streamlined enough, the pacing is too slow, and Bilbo isn't written as a teen protagonist (it might even be too long iirc but that doesn't matter). There's also a difference between children's literature written before YA became a thing and YA

>>20358620
I dont think any of your points stand considering how much its still widely read and how much it still sells, despite being so old and written in a different time

>>20358611
I dont think your point is strong about there being some good books despite the mandate
You sound a lot like the people that snub Scifi and Fantasy, and say that the books that are good are despite the genre label

>>20358634
Second meant for
>>20358613

>>20354812
Dune was a fluke, Herbert's other works were shit.

Fan is literally an abbreviation of fanatic. Why is anyone surprised that fans an be fanatic in their worship and shilling?

>>20355949
jesus christ what insufferable nomenclature

new thread
>>20358676
>>20358676

Real thread
>>20358682

>>20358678
>Bakkerspammer ruining threads
Can you fuck off

>>20358678
Not even at page 10 you colossal faggot.

>>20355308
Star wars galaxy of fear.
I cant remember the name but some fantasy series where people have classes based on spectrum of light and can use magic of that color and shit.
Enders Game
The Giver
A Spell for Charmillian
Lots of Pern books
Stranger in a strange land - I wonder if this book warped me, wouldn't change a thing though.

>>20358683
>>20358678
its all so tiresome, we still live in a phase of sffg with conflicting threads
>BUT NO, THE THREAD MUST HAVE MY CHOSEN PICTURE

>>20358694
It’s literally the bakkerfags fault. We’ve been having new threads at page 10

>>20356392
How many hundreds of pages long should a POV be?

>>20358694
What conflicting threads? One is made by the spammer, who's been shitting up these threads.

>>20358686
Not even page 11 you damn tranny

>>20356761

I'm going to strum my star so they can sense me from afar.

Nine Fox Gambit

>>20356392
pov changes are best, I know because I read grrm
the last book will never come

>>20356767
>If you try to talk about anything shitposters just silence all discussion.
No, if you try to talk about anything censors ban you and delete the posts.

>>20358694
>Implying the bakkerspammer made the thread in good faith

It was nice while it lasted. Having new threads be made until page 10. Shame the bakkerspammer had to ruin it.

>>20357710
Ubik will put you back in your box.

>>20358739
What does that mean
I'm really confused

>>20358064
I knew a manlet once, legit like 5'4", his entire family was military. His dream was to be a navy seal. He would do 500 pushups a day. For some dumb reason he was bragging about how 'hard' or whatever he was. He asks if I have ever killed an animal, I told him I killed a litter of kittens once, he gets this pissy look on his face and wanted to know how old I was, about four. His story, idk if it was bullshit, but his story was that his dad gave him a 22 and had him shoot a litter of kittens when he was eight to toughen him up and get him acquainted with death. BTW my four year old self stuffed a litter of kittens in one of those hard shelled plastic camping coolers, because four year olds are fucked up little monsters if you don't keep a constant eye on them. I'm sure I wasn't trying to kill them but I don't remember being all that sad that they were dead either.

>>20358564
Virtually all of them are coming of age stories. Adolescents to adult.

>>20358584
Threads die because page 10. "Spammers" in this thread do not push it off to page 10, that is done exclusively by >>>/lit/ getting more threads.

>>20358772
Just read it and find out, it's like 200 pages and quite good, I bet you could have finished in the time you spent lurking this thread tonight.

>>20358793
Thread gets spammed to its bump limit it falls off the board faster, retard.

>>20358812
It doesn't matter since idiots always respond to spammers.

>>20358812
Bumps don't hardly count for threads like this. It will hit bump limit in like an hour regardless, then slowly drift through the pages for 18 hours.

>>20358830
Consuming bait is my constitutional right.

>>20358830
No, shit. It’s why new recent threads were being made when it reaches pages ten. Until the bakkerspammer had to ruin.

>>20358812
>>20358833
It don't matter since people don't report the spammers. They'll just continue until they kill /sffg/.

>>20358833
I see far more kvetching about bakkerspammer than actual bakker spam. Your story line is the fall from grace, the hero becoming that which he hates.

>>20358837
>I see far more kvetching about bakkerspammer than actual bakker spam.
The bakkerspam gets deleted. Just check the archive in warosu.

>>20358836
>until they kill /sffg/
Only thing killing it is your kvetching.

>>20358840
>Complaining after reaching the bump limit
>Spamming so the thread can reach the bump limit
Whatever make you fell better about yourself.

>>20358838
Why wouldn't the kvetching posts get deleted and banned just as much as the "spam" posts? Seems to me a guy has the right to advocate for his author, it's the people who autistically screech about it that are the real problem. I didn't even finish the first third of my fist bakker book, I cant read it but your just being retarded when you freak out about it.

>>20358849
The portion of time spent being bumpable is negligible compared to the portion of time after bump limit, this would not change by any meaningful amount without the couple of bakker "spam" posts, when you magnify each "spam" post with 6 posts of autistics screeching about them sure it hastens things somewhat but the vast majority of time will be spent unbumpable regardless.

>>20358855
>This is somehow advocating for an author

>>20358857
And to think, it’s just one guy with no life.